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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Ams on October 12, 2023, 09:17:29 pm

Title: Re: TFL Red Route PCN, Shoreditch, Code 46, stopped where prohibited, Kingland Road / Retford Street, E2
Post by: Ams on November 23, 2023, 07:04:21 pm
Many thanks.
Emailed TFL as directed.
While submitting representation, noticed the PCN on hold till 08-Nov-23, snipped below.

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PCN status history
24 October 2023On Hold: SUS54 - DTES Footage Request (08/11/2023)
N/A

17 October 2023On Hold: SUS54 - DTES Footage Request (01/11/2023)
N/A

03 October 2023PCN Batched
N/A
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Have submitted below alongwith relevant clinical letters as evidences (with PCN number and name). The representation reference number - 48234143.


Dear Enforcement Officer

Sub : Challenging the PCN Ref no – xxxx against contravention date 30-Sept-23 at 16:07 hrs.

I am challenging the PCN : xxxx issued by the Transport of London in which I was issued with a 160 pounds penalty charge for having stopped my car at 16:07 on 30-Sept-2023 at O/S 79-87 Kingsland Road, E2

I make the representation on the following grounds :

1 – Exceptional Circumstances :
The reason why I have stopped my car to bring my mother, Ms xxxx,  to the toilet in the Local Vietnamese restaurant located at the place of the alleged contravention, as she was not feeling well.
She recently had a brain stroke suffers from hypertension, is occasionally incontinent due to chronic constipation. Her indwelling catheter bag filled up completely.
Attached is the hospital discharge letter from the Stroke team and the Fraility team (constipation) and the “No Waiting” card alongwith the InDwelling Cathetar passport to use the Toilet Urgently

2 – Blue Badge Holder
I stopped the car within the designated area allowed for the Blue Badge (attached) Holder to park the car which was left on the dashboard.

In light of the foregoing, I respectfully ask the Enforcement Officer to allow this representation and cancel the PCN.

Thanks for your time.

Regards
xxxx

Dear Sir

This PCN has been cancelled now.

Many thanks for your support and guidance.
Much appreciated.

Regards


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Title: Re: TFL Red Route PCN, Shoreditch, Code 46, stopped where prohibited, Kingland Road / Retford Street, E2
Post by: Ams on November 23, 2023, 08:27:29 am
We are in receipt of FOI response, please refer to the attached file in text and picture.
The obvious next step is to take this to the Information Commissioner's Office, it would be easier if I did that on your behalf. Would you be happy for me to do so?

Yes Please. Any specific information would you need from me
Title: Re: TFL Red Route PCN, Shoreditch, Code 46, stopped where prohibited, Kingland Road / Retford Street, E2
Post by: cp8759 on November 22, 2023, 11:28:55 pm
We are in receipt of FOI response, please refer to the attached file in text and picture.
The obvious next step is to take this to the Information Commissioner's Office, it would be easier if I did that on your behalf. Would you be happy for me to do so?
Title: Re: TFL Red Route PCN, Shoreditch, Code 46, stopped where prohibited, Kingland Road / Retford Street, E2
Post by: Incandescent on November 21, 2023, 11:49:31 pm
So it's a Fob-Off letter, dressed up with a load of bulls**t text none of which applies to your request. Clearly this is a serious attempt to prevent people on this forum from obtaining information on camera approvals. Hopefully our administrator will soon be on here to comment.
Title: Re: TFL Red Route PCN, Shoreditch, Code 46, stopped where prohibited, Kingland Road / Retford Street, E2
Post by: Ams on November 21, 2023, 11:16:50 pm
We are in receipt of FOI response, please refer to the attached file in text and picture.


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Title: Re: TFL Red Route PCN, Shoreditch, Code 46, stopped where prohibited, Kingland Road / Retford Street, E2
Post by: Ams on November 04, 2023, 10:16:40 pm
Write back to the FOI mailbox:

Dear Transport for London,

I hereby request an internal review of the handling information request 2697-2324.

The information request you refer to under reference 0970-2324 is about ULEZ cameras, which have nothing to do with parking enforcement cameras. Indeed, the fact that the rationale that might apply to ULEZ cameras cannot apply to parking enforcement cameras is proven by response 1103-2324, where TFL confirmed on 3 August 2023 that:

The camera you refer to is a street CCTV camera and the camera is a Predator HD/Ultra - H264.

Plainly if TFL has been able to release this information on 3 August 2023, the reasons for refusal of information request 0970-2324 issued on 27 July 2023 cannot be an impediment.

Furthermore, it is hard to see how the information released under 1103-2324 could have any bearing on the exemptions you rely on, I note the nature of the information sought for ULEZ cameras under reference 0970-2324 is very different to the information sought in this case.

Knowing that a particular parking enforcement camera is one particular model or another cannot reasonably have any bearing on any of the exemptions cited under reference 0970-2324.

I invite you to carry out an internal review in light of the above.

Yours faithfully,


Put a reminder in your calendar to chase them up on 5 December if you haven't had a reply by then.

Done.
Title: Re: TFL Red Route PCN, Shoreditch, Code 46, stopped where prohibited, Kingland Road / Retford Street, E2
Post by: cp8759 on November 04, 2023, 07:48:17 pm
Write back to the FOI mailbox:

Dear Transport for London,

I hereby request an internal review of the handling information request 2697-2324.

The information request you refer to under reference 0970-2324 is about ULEZ cameras, which have nothing to do with parking enforcement cameras. Indeed, the fact that the rationale that might apply to ULEZ cameras cannot apply to parking enforcement cameras is proven by response 1103-2324, where TFL confirmed on 3 August 2023 that:

The camera you refer to is a street CCTV camera and the camera is a Predator HD/Ultra - H264.

Plainly if TFL has been able to release this information on 3 August 2023, the reasons for refusal of information request 0970-2324 issued on 27 July 2023 cannot be an impediment.

Furthermore, it is hard to see how the information released under 1103-2324 could have any bearing on the exemptions you rely on, I note the nature of the information sought for ULEZ cameras under reference 0970-2324 is very different to the information sought in this case.

Knowing that a particular parking enforcement camera is one particular model or another cannot reasonably have any bearing on any of the exemptions cited under reference 0970-2324.

I invite you to carry out an internal review in light of the above.

Yours faithfully,


Put a reminder in your calendar to chase them up on 5 December if you haven't had a reply by then.
Title: Re: TFL Red Route PCN, Shoreditch, Code 46, stopped where prohibited, Kingland Road / Retford Street, E2
Post by: Ams on November 04, 2023, 08:49:33 am
Please refer to attached feedback from TFL FOI team.

Regards

""" TfL Ref: FOI-2697-2324

Thank you for your request which we received on 29 October 2023, asking for information about a CCTV camera outside52-56 Kingsland Road.

Your request has been considered in accordance with the requirements of the Environmental Information Regulations (EIRs) and our information access policy.  We do hold the information you require.

Our parking enforcement is assisted through the use of 360 Vision - Predator HD Ultra cameras. However,.......  """

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Title: Re: TFL Red Route PCN, Shoreditch, Code 46, stopped where prohibited, Kingland Road / Retford Street, E2
Post by: Ams on October 29, 2023, 09:19:51 pm
Many thanks.
Emailed TFL as directed.
While submitting representation, noticed the PCN on hold till 08-Nov-23, snipped below.

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PCN status history
24 October 2023On Hold: SUS54 - DTES Footage Request (08/11/2023)
N/A

17 October 2023On Hold: SUS54 - DTES Footage Request (01/11/2023)
N/A

03 October 2023PCN Batched
N/A
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Have submitted below alongwith relevant clinical letters as evidences (with PCN number and name). The representation reference number - 48234143.


Dear Enforcement Officer

Sub : Challenging the PCN Ref no – xxxx against contravention date 30-Sept-23 at 16:07 hrs.

I am challenging the PCN : xxxx issued by the Transport of London in which I was issued with a 160 pounds penalty charge for having stopped my car at 16:07 on 30-Sept-2023 at O/S 79-87 Kingsland Road, E2

I make the representation on the following grounds :

1 – Exceptional Circumstances :
The reason why I have stopped my car to bring my mother, Ms xxxx,  to the toilet in the Local Vietnamese restaurant located at the place of the alleged contravention, as she was not feeling well.
She recently had a brain stroke suffers from hypertension, is occasionally incontinent due to chronic constipation. Her indwelling catheter bag filled up completely.
Attached is the hospital discharge letter from the Stroke team and the Fraility team (constipation) and the “No Waiting” card alongwith the InDwelling Cathetar passport to use the Toilet Urgently

2 – Blue Badge Holder
I stopped the car within the designated area allowed for the Blue Badge (attached) Holder to park the car which was left on the dashboard.

In light of the foregoing, I respectfully ask the Enforcement Officer to allow this representation and cancel the PCN.

Thanks for your time.

Regards
xxxx
Title: Re: TFL Red Route PCN, Shoreditch, Code 46, stopped where prohibited, Kingland Road / Retford Street, E2
Post by: cp8759 on October 29, 2023, 06:39:59 pm
Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSzbSg9zHzI

Here's the camera: https://maps.app.goo.gl/nyw34JjQEUjbDhyd7

Write to foi@tfl.gov.uk as follows:

Dear Transport for London,

There is a parking enforcement camera outside 52-56 Kingsland Road, London, E2 8DP, which is visible here: https://maps.app.goo.gl/nyw34JjQEUjbDhyd7

I would like to know the make and model of this camera. Please also provide any documentation confirming the make and model of the camera.

Yours faithfully,

Also send the representation you've drafted via the TFL website (https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/challenge-a-pcn), and keep a screenshot of the confirmation page. Please note you can't just expect TFL to take your word for it, you'll need to upload evidence of your mother's medical condition. Anything that confirms the use of a catheter bag would be particularly compelling evidence.
Title: Re: TFL Red Route PCN, Shoreditch, Code 46, stopped where prohibited, Kingland Road / Retford Street, E2
Post by: Ams on October 28, 2023, 09:27:50 pm
Have you called? Did they confirm the PCN would be put on hold?

Video evidence uploaded. PCN on hold till 30-Oct-23.

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Title: Re: TFL Red Route PCN, Shoreditch, Code 46, stopped where prohibited, Kingland Road / Retford Street, E2
Post by: Ams on October 27, 2023, 06:39:49 pm
Attached DVD received in post today.

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Title: Re: TFL Red Route PCN, Shoreditch, Code 46, stopped where prohibited, Kingland Road / Retford Street, E2
Post by: Ams on October 17, 2023, 08:56:14 am
Thanks. DVD is in transit and the PCN on hold till 31st Oct 2023.
Hopefully, I would be able to download videos from the DVD to upload here, will give it a shot.
TIA
Title: Re: TFL Red Route PCN, Shoreditch, Code 46, stopped where prohibited, Kingland Road / Retford Street, E2
Post by: cp8759 on October 16, 2023, 10:49:21 pm
Have you called? Did they confirm the PCN would be put on hold?
Title: Re: TFL Red Route PCN, Shoreditch, Code 46, stopped where prohibited, Kingland Road / Retford Street, E2
Post by: Ams on October 14, 2023, 08:55:44 pm
Thank you - will request first thing on Monday morning.
Title: Re: TFL Red Route PCN, Shoreditch, Code 46, stopped where prohibited, Kingland Road / Retford Street, E2
Post by: cp8759 on October 14, 2023, 01:48:14 am
As pastmybest says, call TFL and request the video. They will send you a DVD in the post and put the PCN on hold while you wait.
Title: Re: TFL Red Route PCN, Shoreditch, Code 46, stopped where prohibited, Kingland Road / Retford Street, E2
Post by: Pastmybest on October 12, 2023, 09:55:51 pm
There will be a video call tfl and ask for it then post it here, At the moment TFL cannot win a case in a red route parking bay when the use cctv but this is being taken to judicial review
so lets try to find other things to appeal on if we can
Title: TFL Red Route PCN, Shoreditch, Code 46, stopped where prohibited, Kingland Road / Retford Street, E2
Post by: Ams on October 12, 2023, 09:17:29 pm
Dear members

We received PCN after our vehicle overstayed in Red Route parking area due to an emergency.
My disabled mum suffers from chronic constipation, is incontinent and have Catheter bag attached to her leg. She carries "No Waiting Card" to use toilet in an emergency from NHS.
On 30-Sept-23, we parked car in Red route with disabled badge on the dashboard at around 15:30 hrs, and rushed her to use the toilet urgently in the restaurant next to Sainsbury. She took longer to relieve herself, as a result, we overstayed by 8 mins after 4pm (parking allowed b/w 10am-4pm with 3 hours limit).
Attached is the PCN notice.

Would appreciate, if someone help us with the representation to contest the PCN.

Happy to provide further information.


https://maps.app.goo.gl/wB8KUtdp9AKN9wM56

https://maps.app.goo.gl/eR1FEENbJVQmRPDt7

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Dear Enforcement Officer

Sub : Challenging the PCN Ref no – xxxxxxxxx against contravention date 30-Sept-23 at 16:07 hrs.

I am challenging the PCN : xxxxxx issued by the Transport of London in which I was issued with a 160 pounds penalty charge for having stopped my car at 16:07 on 30-Sept-2023 at O/S 79-87 Kingsland Road, E2

I make the representation on the following grounds :

1 – Exceptional Circumstances :
The reason why I have stopped my car to bring my mother to the toilet in the Vietnamese restaurant located at the place of the alleged contravention, as she was not feeling well.
She recently had a brain stroke suffers from hypertension, is occasionally incontinent due to chronic constipation. Her indwelling catheter bag filled up completely.
Attached is the hospital discharge letter from stroke team and the fraility team (constipation) and the “No Waiting” card to use the Toilet Urgently

2 – Blue Badge Holder
I stopped the car within the designated area allowed for Blue Badge (attached) Holder to park the car which was left on the dashboard.

In light of the foregoing, I respectfully ask the Enforcement Officer to allow this representation and cancel the PCN.

Thanks for your time.

Regards
My Name

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