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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: badrav on June 28, 2025, 08:29:09 pm

Title: Re: Croydon Council Derby Road Junction
Post by: Incandescent on June 29, 2025, 11:33:11 am
Thanks Incandescent for your comments, ill hold off to hear if any technical arguments. If there was clear hesitation would that make a difference?
Frankly, no, not in your situation with adequate signs on London Road. So what made you miss all these signs ? Satnav ?
Title: Re: Croydon Council Derby Road Junction
Post by: badrav on June 29, 2025, 11:01:01 am
Thanks Incandescent for your comments, ill hold off to hear if any technical arguments. If there was clear hesitation would that make a difference?
Title: Re: Croydon Council Derby Road Junction
Post by: Incandescent on June 28, 2025, 11:40:57 pm
Pllease repost front of PCN with only yr name & address redacted - leave all else in.
Please also post a GSV link to the location, and the council video (which is the evidence).
If someone posts vehicle and PCN number then potentially someone can go online and make representation.
Using what name and address ?
Title: Re: Croydon Council Derby Road Junction
Post by: Figaro on June 28, 2025, 10:38:10 pm
Pllease repost front of PCN with only yr name & address redacted - leave all else in.
Please also post a GSV link to the location, and the council video (which is the evidence).
If someone posts vehicle and PCN number then potentially someone can go online and make representation.
Title: Re: Croydon Council Derby Road Junction
Post by: Incandescent on June 28, 2025, 10:30:18 pm
We've already had a thread on this location, but I don't know if it got to London Tribunals or not. Try a search for Derby Road.

There are advance warning signs in place for either approach direction on London Road: -

https://maps.app.goo.gl/q1hQ3RBcExa6iKkT8
and here
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Q6c3mTHZmmTDYgQq6
plus there are cul-de-sac signs at the entrance to Derby Road, one on the same lampost as the adance warning sign, and also here: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/CSNw7z29vJD3V4FF9

However, GSV is not up-to-date on Derby Road, so fails to show the restriction signs. The problem you've got is that the video shows you driving past the Flying Motorbike signs with no hesitation at all, and there are warning signs on London Road.  Do you understand the meaning of these signs ? 

Frankly, I can't see any appeal argument based on inadequate or badly placed signage, so you'd be looking at a technical appeal argument based on council mismamangement of the enforcement process. Hippocrates and the administrator tend to be the experts on these, not me, so wait a bit to see if they comment. However don't miss the deadline to submit representations or pay, or it's game over.

Title: Re: Croydon Council Derby Road Junction
Post by: badrav on June 28, 2025, 09:29:14 pm
https://imgur.com/4qNdb5f
Title: Re: Croydon Council Derby Road Junction
Post by: John U.K. on June 28, 2025, 09:17:03 pm

If I put in the video this will show the vehicle registration?  The video just shows the vehicle passing through the prohibited road passed the exclusion signage

Thousands of people every day see your reg mark. It will also appear when you re-post the front of the PCN.

The experts here ( I am not one) like to be able to see the complete picture to see that no possible ground for appeal has been overlooked.

Title: Re: Croydon Council Derby Road Junction
Post by: badrav on June 28, 2025, 09:10:36 pm
Thanks John, this is the junction on GSV https://maps.app.goo.gl/JSdMLQGogYYxQrx27 but they have added new signage which since this link which is in the description on both sides (https://imgur.com/a/MpuSUm1) 

If I put in the video this will show the vehicle registration?   The video just shows the vehicle passing through the prohibited road passed the exclusion signage
Title: Re: Croydon Council Derby Road Junction
Post by: John U.K. on June 28, 2025, 09:00:53 pm
Pllease repost front of PCN with only yr name & address redacted - leave all else in.
Please also post a GSV link to the location, and the council video (which is the evidence).
Title: Croydon Council Derby Road Junction
Post by: badrav on June 28, 2025, 08:29:09 pm
Received this in the post, signage randomly excludes vehicles. Would really appreciate some help and advice on this.

https://imgur.com/a/YVjts3u

https://imgur.com/a/RGiSeuk

https://imgur.com/a/nC3FXxR

This is the signage that says- Except buses, taxis and Permit holders to pass through

https://imgur.com/a/MpuSUm1