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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: DMS28 on June 27, 2025, 08:39:02 pm

Title: Re: Havering, Code 62G Parked on a grass verge, Gaynes Park Road, Upminster
Post by: stamfordman on June 27, 2025, 09:50:44 pm

I can't see you can get out of the contraventions if this is a public road.

Be aware that Havering does not reoffer the discount on even informal rejections.

So we need to assess how good the location error is.

(https://i.ibb.co/9HGqYH6P/hav2.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/xS5dGpqM/hav1.jpg)

Title: Re: Havering, Code 62G Parked on a grass verge, Gaynes Park Road, Upminster
Post by: John U.K. on June 27, 2025, 09:26:20 pm

Please post up any photos which Havering have put on line.
Wrong location may be fatal to a PCN.

Title: Re: Havering, Code 62G Parked on a grass verge, Gaynes Park Road, Upminster
Post by: Incandescent on June 27, 2025, 09:24:03 pm

Normally wrong location is fatal to enforcement of a PCN. In your reps you should state that at no time were you parked on Gaynes Park Road. They cannot reissue the PCNs. However, to get a result, (and this is not guaranteed, I'm afraid), you would have to take them to London Tribunals and risk the full PCN penalty.

I am astonished you didn't know about the London-wide ban on parking off-carriageway. This has been in place since the 70s and requires no lines or signs.

Title: Re: Havering, Code 62G Parked on a grass verge, Gaynes Park Road, Upminster
Post by: Daim456 on June 27, 2025, 08:58:02 pm

Banged to rights, pavement parking ban applies the grass verge as well. I can see there is a fence which shows the public highway boundary.

No harm making a representation in case they messed up.

Put the draft here before sending.

Title: Havering, Code 62G Parked on a grass verge, Gaynes Park Road, Upminster
Post by: DMS28 on June 27, 2025, 08:39:02 pm

Hi,

I hope you are all well.

My wife and I went to watch our granddaughter's sports day in separate vehicles and we both parked on a grass verge where a number of other cars were parked. Upon leaving, my wife and I both had PCNs (see attached photos). There are no signs, no yellow lines, no visible parking restrictions, etc.

Moreover, our PCNs state that the alleged contravention took place in Gaynes Park Road but we were parked in Little Gaynes Lane which is before the junction of Gaynes Park Road, so the location on the PCNs is incorrect.


Evidence:

1.    PCN HG50070944 (my van)

(https://i.imgur.com/UV2hXpF.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/0CXxtbo.jpeg)

2.    PCN HG50070911 (my wife's car)

(https://i.imgur.com/izeS1YG.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/FfYmrBC.jpeg)

3.    Photo of where I parked

(https://i.imgur.com/892oNj1.jpeg)

4.    Photo of where my wife parked

(https://i.imgur.com/w4VB3gq.jpeg)

5.    Google map screenshot of location

(https://i.imgur.com/p7WFwJs.jpeg)

6.    Google Map Location - Little Gaynes Lane - https://maps.app.goo.gl/Yd3GRxhr1D8MT7JF7

Based on the above and incorrect location do we have grounds to appeal?

Thank you for any help.