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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: spammy on June 25, 2025, 03:25:21 pm
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My pleasure as ever. Have you kept the screenshots of their website please?
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After an extended delay, Southwark have responded this week and have cancelled the PCN.
Quite amusingly it states the following:
I refer to the Formal Representation you have made against the issue of the Penalty Charge Notice xxx.
I have examined the facts surrounding the issue of the PCN and cancelled the penalty charge.
Please be advised the PCN has been cancelled due to an administrative error unrelated to the content of your representations and should not be taken as precedent. The cancellation of this penalty charge has no bearing on the validity of any other PCNs that may be issued to you in future.
In this instance, as the PCN has been cancelled, no further action will be taken in this matter.
Yours sincerely
Southwark Parking Services
Not sure how much of this to take at face value but will take the win. Thanks to all, especially Hippocrates.
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Do prod me from time to time.
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I have submitted the representation and will keep the thread updated. Many thanks H.
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Add this too:
The signage is inadequate as there is only one terminal sign which is easily missed. In this respect, I use the ground the contravention did not occur.
In light of all the above, please cancel the PCN.
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PLEEASE DO NOT SEND THIS YET AND READ MY PM.
I cannot access the video for some reason.
Instructions/advice:
1. Screenshot every page/stage AS IF to make a representation.
2. Try to add any and every statutory ground and screenshot all results. THESE ARE THE 5 GROUNDS ON THE PCN.
PLEASE DO ALL THIS BEFORE YOU SUBMIT AND KEEP AS EVIDENCE.
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I make these two collateral challenges as follows:
1. The statement under the picture on the PCN “If full payment has not been made
before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of this notice, a
Charge Certificate may be issued increasing the amount outstanding by 50% to
£195.00” is wrong as it flies in the face of the law. Schedule I @ paras. 5(1) and (2)(a) states from the date of service.
2. Your website threatens an increase even before I have made any representations and the dates are wholly wrong.
Considering the above, please cancel the PCN as the penalty exceeds the amount.
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PM sent. Draft tomorrow and please screenshot their website page re payment and when.
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We were following satnav, but in all honesty although we can recall the journey, we cant remember the specific event in question.
Searching on these forums, there seems to be some impropriety in PCNs issued by Southwark?
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Here are the two "Flying Motorbike" signs you passed: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/weCz6Zb83CtiyftD8
And there is an advance warning sign as well: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/zwGe1ZMKw5gfJL9P8
So it would seem the signage is adequate, although you may disagree. What made you miss these signs, were you following satnav instructions ?
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Apologies for the bump but the 14 days for the reduced penalty expires tomorrow so any advice would be welcome.
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Reposting as requested:
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If you want the best possible and comprehensive advice then please read the instructions in the READ THIS FIRST - **BEFORE POSTING YOUR CASE!** (https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/) sticky post at the top of the forum.
It tells you that it's only necessary to redact your name and address where present. And to please leave everything else visible, in particular the PCN number, the vehicle reg, all dates and locations and the like.
So please correct your PCN and repost.
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PCN below. One thing to note is that the URL to pay is incorrect and results in a 404. I have not yet determined the correct URL in case it prejudices anything. I understand that there may be structural issues with Southwark PCNs so await instructions. EDIT: Just realised the VRM and PCN no were not to be redacted. Happy to re-upload if required.
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