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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: rojiar22 on October 11, 2023, 11:06:31 pm

Title: Re: Enfield, code 33B bus lane, N18 Bull Lane Bus gate
Post by: cp8759 on November 13, 2023, 07:39:30 pm

Here's The Enfield (Prescribed Routes) (No. 4) Traffic Order 2023 (https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1JJxDMrORbnm0CW073kDLljuU0Bbto6pa), it has some interesting drafting:

“the Bull Lane bus gate” means that part of Bull Lane situated between a point 2.5 metres south of the northern kerb-line of the entrance to the yard outside No. 22 Bull Lane and a point 14.2 metres south of the southern kerb-line of that entrance.

That suggests that the bus gate starts roughly halfway across the entrance to the yard, which is quite obviously more than 2.5 metres wide: https://maps.app.goo.gl/37oP7dmDwZDrtgei9

but that's not where the signs are situated.

Did you submit a representation?

Title: Re: Enfield, code 33B bus lane, N18 Bull Lane Bus gate
Post by: cp8759 on October 14, 2023, 12:22:29 am

The signs look very clear and you'll really struggle on the question of adequacy, they look more than adequate.

Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyTFizaHpH8

I've asked for the traffic order for now.

Title: Re: Enfield, code 33B bus lane, N18 Bull Lane Bus gate
Post by: Incandescent on October 11, 2023, 11:49:43 pm

There's another thread running on this new bus gate. A tyical move to make money dressed up by council b**lsh*t as an improvement : -
https://letstalk.enfield.gov.uk/nmh-ati?tool=qanda#:~:text=The%20proposals%20feature%20a%20two,modal%20filter%20at%20Amersham%20Avenue

Your GSV link doesn't seem to take you anywhere near Bull Lane. GSV is not up-to-date, so doesn't show the bus gate, nor any advance warning signs.  If you want to fight this one, we really need to see what advance warning is given. Of course you could submit representations on the lines of being a patient at the hospital.

Just read the absolute bu+lsh*t here : -
https://letstalk.enfield.gov.uk/nmh-ati/news_feed/bull-lane-bus-gate#:~:text=The%20bus%20gate%20at%20the,gate%20location%20will%20be%20removed.

Title: Enfield, code 33B bus lane, N18 Bull Lane Bus gate
Post by: rojiar22 on October 11, 2023, 11:06:31 pm

Hi, I am hoping for some advice about a recent PCN that I received for driving through a bus gate. I often go to this road to park for my regular hospital appointment as the hospital parking gets full. I was looking for parking spot on my appointment date and didn't realise this new restriction has been added. The sign is not very clear for a No-Entry road, especially since Satnav had not been updated yet Once I went through the sign and realised, I immediately went to the first safe place and turned around. So technically I didn’t use the road even though I went through the gate.
I would like to know if there is any grounds for appeal based on the gate being very new AND me being a blue badge holder and that road being the closest place to park as the hospital was full?

Also, the code says 33B which is for buses ONLY but the sign is for buses and bicycles – can that mean anything for making the PCN invalid?

https://maps.app.goo.gl/FEbe2WrkRqrQM1bH6

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