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Title: Re: PCN Hammersmith and Fulham contravention 52M- RMV Rivercourt Rd
Post by: Hippocrates on August 08, 2025, 11:18:58 am
Well done.  ;D
Title: Re: PCN Hammersmith and Fulham contravention 52M- RMV Rivercourt Rd
Post by: Tod on August 08, 2025, 10:44:29 am
I’ve just received a letter from LBHF confirming their decision to cancel and close the PCN. They’re still not accepting my arguments, of course – laughable, isn’t it? 😂 They cancel it but won’t openly admit that what they’re doing is wrong.

Still, a win is a win, and I’m taking this as a big victory!
Title: Re: PCN Hammersmith and Fulham contravention 52M- RMV Rivercourt Rd
Post by: Tod on August 08, 2025, 08:33:29 am
Great News – We Won! 🙌

I just received an email from the tribunal – H&F have folded and will not be contesting my appeal! That means we've won!

I can’t thank this forum enough. Your support, advice, and encouragement made all the difference. Honestly, I wouldn't have gotten through this without you all. This victory isn't just mine – it's ours, a win for everyone standing up against a broken and corrupted system.

 respect to each of you
T
Title: Re: PCN Hammersmith and Fulham contravention 52M- RMV Rivercourt Rd
Post by: Tod on July 24, 2025, 09:16:32 pm
Yes, exactly, i will get only if needed im not worried now. Thanks
Title: Re: PCN Hammersmith and Fulham contravention 52M- RMV Rivercourt Rd
Post by: John U.K. on July 24, 2025, 03:34:36 pm
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i will get prepared

Little point in doing much prep until it is certain H&F are contesting.

Wait until you hear something from H&F or the Tribunal (or if nothing heard, about 3 weeks before hearing date) and wake this thread up again.

In the light of ongoing changes to signage and markings, make sure all your images of these are from the time of the alleged contravention.

The recent changes do, of course, strengthen yr own case that the signage back then was not fit for purpose.
Title: Re: PCN Hammersmith and Fulham contravention 52M- RMV Rivercourt Rd
Post by: Tod on July 24, 2025, 02:33:47 pm
Hi John, i've appealed to LT and i've been given a date somewhere in October, not heard anything from H&F will see, i will get prepared. WIll contact for further advice if needed.
Thanks
Title: Re: PCN Hammersmith and Fulham contravention 52M- RMV Rivercourt Rd
Post by: John U.K. on July 24, 2025, 01:14:10 am
I passed by Rivercourt Rd today and noticed 3 new signs

There has been some discussion on these new sign towards the end of this thread in the Flame Pit:
https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/rivercourt-road-hammersmith-main-nmv-sign/

Tod, any update on your own case?
The erection of these new signs, however inadequate they may be, would seem to indicate an admission by H&F that on on the day of yr alleged contravention ther signage was then itself inadequate.
Title: Re: PCN Hammersmith and Fulham contravention 52M- RMV Rivercourt Rd
Post by: Incandescent on July 24, 2025, 01:04:50 am
It appears somebody has woken up from their slumbers, and decided the signs on the A40 are inadequate, I see only the one sign related to Rivercourt Road, but just look at it ! At ground level and small and hard to read at 40 mph, and subject to obscuration by traffic in front. Useless, but does show at least recognition of their total failure with this restriction. The sign needs to be a lot larger and properly mounted like other signs.

Where are the two other signs, and what do they relate to.
Title: Re: PCN Hammersmith and Fulham contravention 52M- RMV Rivercourt Rd
Post by: Tod on July 23, 2025, 10:26:02 pm
I passed by Rivercourt Rd today and noticed 3 new signs

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Title: Re: PCN Hammersmith and Fulham contravention 52M- RMV Rivercourt Rd
Post by: Tod on July 07, 2025, 10:46:13 am
What i found is that:
When appealing a Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) to the London Tribunals, you cannot directly upload a video, but you can provide a link to a video as part of your evidence. Here's how it works:

🔹 What You Can Do:
Upload documents and images (JPEG, PNG, PDF, etc.) directly to your online appeal.

Include a URL link to a video hosted on a third-party platform (e.g. YouTube, Vimeo, Dropbox, Google Drive) in your written submission or evidence document.

✅ Best Practices for Video Evidence:
Upload the video to a reliable, publicly accessible service (Google Drive, Dropbox, YouTube [unlisted], etc.).

Ensure access permissions are set so the adjudicator can view it without logging in.

Clearly reference the link in your appeal statement or an accompanying document (e.g., "Please see this video showing the signage at the location: [link]").

Include a brief description of what the video shows and how it supports your appeal.
With this in mind, I'm going to appeal and am even considering including screenshots of the matrix signs obscured by sunlight as additional evidence.
Title: Re: PCN Hammersmith and Fulham contravention 52M- RMV Rivercourt Rd
Post by: John U.K. on July 03, 2025, 09:29:02 pm
Thank you John, here's the appeal formatted and with added lines as you suggested to improve clarity. I've prepared a few photos including one from @Bustagate and his drawings. the dot matrix display that you posted ( even though they are two now) and photo of the complex signage. I was just wandering if they would allow as well videos, the one from the Council and the one from my Dashcam that i posted recently where clearly the sun hits the sign.

The Council video will (IF H&F persist in pursuing this after you've registered the appeal) be included in their Evidence Pack, so no need to worry about that.

I'm not sure about how to attach a video file or link - you could ring the Tribunal and ask for guidance, or one of our experts here would know.

Title: Re: PCN Hammersmith and Fulham contravention 52M- RMV Rivercourt Rd
Post by: Bustagate on July 03, 2025, 08:07:59 pm
There's a presumption in proceedings with a public body that it is acting properly and its statements can be believed. It's called the presumption of regularity. I consider that H&F aren't entitled to it. My word doesn't count but evidence of the Council's irregular actions (as I set out below) may persuade the adjudicator to puncture the presumption.

It's your call as to what you put in your appeal. Here's what I would say:

There seems some confusion as to what exactly the alleged contravention is. The contravention code, 52M, applies to a failure to comply with the terms of a TMO, in this case TMO 2037 dated 18th September 2024. The rejection of my representations refers to my passing the "flying motorcycle" sign as though that is the contravention. In normal circumstances the presumption of regularity would make the two propositions identical.

I consider that in this case the Council aren't entitled to the presumption of regularity for the following reasons:

1. Great West Road is a TfL road and TfL's ownership extends at least as far as the combined cycleway/footway to the north of the carriageway.

2. The Council's plan of the signage, https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/rivercourt_road_experimental_tmo/response/3055381/attach/3/Rivercourt%20Road%20A4%20Junction%20Layout%20Plan.pdf, confirms this and also shows that TfL's land on the west side of the exit slip road runs to where the "RED ROUTE // CLEARWAY // End" sign is.

3. Under section 121B of Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, the Council is obliged to give notice to TfL before doing anything to one of the Council's highways which might affect TfL's road, let alone changing road markings on TfL's land. The Council also needs to comply with any instructions from TfL.

4. The Council has erased TfL's edge-of-carriageway markings on Great West Road and painted new white hatching with a solid boundary on either side of the exit slip road, across TfL's cycleway/footway. Those road markings now prohibit all vehicles, including pedal cycles, from crossing them.

5. The answer to a question to the Mayor of London about Rivercourt Road, https://www.london.gov.uk/who-we-are/what-london-assembly-does/questions-mayor/find-an-answer/a4-and-rivercourt-road-low-traffic-neighbourhood, refers to changes to be made to the signage "to remedy the situation". That indicates that TfL wasn't consulted before the Council made its changes.

6. The Council's answer https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/rivercourt_road_experimental_tmo/response/3055381/attach/4/Response%20all%20information%20to%20be%20supplied.pdf  to FoI request 16918890 sets out the Council's view as to where the boundary lies between Great West Road and Rivercourt Road and where "a point 8.30 meters south of the southern building wall of No. 17 Rivercourt Road" lies. The boundary is the start of the one-way south-to-north restriction while the point defines its end. By my reckoning, the line across Rivercourt Road from the point, i.e. the end of the south-to-north restriction, lies south of the start, so the defined restriction doesn't exist and the TMO is unenforceable.

7. Paragraph 4 of the TMO stops half way through. If it means anything, it is that the entire section of Rivercourt Road between Great West Road and King Street is prohibited to all motor vehicles northbound. Other motor vehicles can enter it southbound from King Street but are prohibited from turning round and returning to King Street. Nor can they exit to Great West Road. They are trapped and will pile up until the road is blocked.  This adds to the TMO's unenforceability.

Given this evidence, I consider that the Council needs to explain just what the TMO means, where it applies, how it relates to the signage which has been placed and demonstrate that there was a contravention.

P.S. This attack on the presumption of regularity is independent of the details of your case and may be of use to others wishing to challenge PCNs on Rivercourt Road
Title: Re: PCN Hammersmith and Fulham contravention 52M- RMV Rivercourt Rd
Post by: Tod on July 02, 2025, 10:58:09 pm
Thank you John, here's the appeal formatted and with added lines as you suggested to improve clarity. I've prepared a few photos including one from @Bustagate and his drawings. the dot matrix display that you posted ( even though they are two now) and photo of the complex signage. I was just wandering if they would allow as well videos, the one from the Council and the one from my Dashcam that i posted recently where clearly the sun hits the sign. 

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Title: Re: PCN Hammersmith and Fulham contravention 52M- RMV Rivercourt Rd
Post by: John U.K. on July 02, 2025, 05:16:49 pm
I'm going to suggest you be not afraid to use formatting to increase clarity for the Adjudicator and have modified yr draft above (Reply #13) to show the kind of thing I mean.  I've also made adjustments in blue to show you are appealing to the Ajudicator and not the Council.
Attach the appeal as a pdf and you should also attach the relevant photographs (number them and refer to them by number in the appeal).

Post your final draft here before submitting.

I'd wait and see if any others, esp. @Bustagate or @Hippocrates have any further comment, but I'd be inclined to submit and only if H&F resist yr appeal and force a hearing spend time refining the appeal text.

When registering the appeal make sure you opt for a personal (video or telephone) hearing.
Title: Re: PCN Hammersmith and Fulham contravention 52M- RMV Rivercourt Rd
Post by: Tod on July 02, 2025, 01:03:59 pm
Soome updates

The Hammersmith Society has pblished another item on the Rivercourt LTN
Original article
https://www.hammersmithsociety.org.uk/rivercourt-road-a-new-two-way-ltn/
New article
https://www.hammersmithsociety.org.uk/rivercourt-road-ltn-and-the-west-dulwich-case/

And this thread (where H&F folded once the appeal had been registered)
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/hammersmith-and-fulham-code-52m-failing-to-comply-with-a-prohibition-on-certain-/

has a number of technical arguments from Bustagate, with an update
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/hammersmith-and-fulham-code-52m-failing-to-comply-with-a-prohibition-on-certain-/15/
Subject: Quick Check-In on Appeal Submission

Hi John,
As we’re approaching the last two days of the 14-day period, I just wanted to check if there’s anything more I should add or if what I’ve put together is sufficient? I understand that I actually have 28 days from the service of the notice to appeal to the LT.

Thanks,
Title: Re: PCN Hammersmith and Fulham contravention 52M- RMV Rivercourt Rd
Post by: Tod on June 30, 2025, 08:00:39 pm
Based on all the suggestions from the forum and Bustagate, I’ve decided to appeal. I’ve rewritten my initial representation to prepare it for submission to the London Tribunals. I’d appreciate any feedback—do you have any other suggestions or improvements?


1. Location of the Alleged Contravention
The alleged contravention occurred on the slip road exiting the Great West Road (A4), before I reached the "RED ROUTE // CLEARWAY // Exit" sign, which marks the boundary between TfL’s slip road and Hammersmith and Fulham’s Rivercourt Road. The signage marking the restriction boundary appears after the point at which I exited, placing the alleged contravention outside the effective enforcement zone.

2. Inadequate, Misplaced, and Non-Compliant Signage
The only sign indicating that a permit is required to use the exit is located after the point of restriction as specified in the relevant Traffic Management Order (TMO). This undermines the enforceability of the restriction, as drivers are not given sufficient advance warning.
Furthermore, the sign in question does not conform to the requirements of the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions (TSRGD). In particular:
The sign is a dot matrix display, and
It is positioned facing due west, meaning that whenever the sun is shining, direct sunlight directly hits the sign, overpowering the lights forming the display and making it extremely difficult to read.
This is especially relevant to the conditions at the time of the alleged contravention. Sunset on 25th April was at 8:14 PM, and the Council’s own video footage shows that lighting conditions were already fading. If the sun had been out, it would have been low in the sky and directly behind the driver, shining straight into the sign’s face, significantly diminishing visibility and legibility.
These lighting and compliance issues, combined with the lack of advance warning signage on the A4, meant I had no reasonable opportunity to see, interpret, and respond to the restriction in time. This falls far short of the standard required for proper and enforceable traffic control.

3. Overloaded and Unsafe Signage at Junction

Upon exiting the A4, I was presented with an excessive number of signs at a junction where drivers are expected to make rapid decisions while travelling at 40 mph. It is simply not possible to read and safely process the information from 11 different signs in such a short space. These included:

and
Crucially, the sign restricting access to permit holders — which was not placed before the turn, but on the opposite side of the road.
To add to this, the lighting conditions at the time were poor. Sunset on 25th April was at 8:14 PM. The Council’s own footage clearly shows the level of dimming light at the time. If the sun had been shining at a low angle, it would have been directly facing the signs, further reducing visibility and legibility. This is an important factor that affected my ability to interpret the signage in time.
Moreover, the Council’s video footage illustrates the confusion caused at this junction: another vehicle, shortly after mine, attempted to reverse or turn around upon seeing the restriction. This led the car behind it to brake sharply and stop suddenly — creating a clear road safety hazard. In my own case, I had only a few seconds to interpret the signage while navigating a turn and with vehicles closely behind. Any sudden stop or reversal would have been unsafe. Proceeding was the only safe and responsible course of action.

4. No Safe Alternative Route
Once committed to the slip road, I had no legal or safe way to reverse or turn around:
Reversing back onto the A4 — a fast, three-lane carriageway — would have violated Highway Code Rules 200 and 201 and posed a serious safety risk.
The “new turning bay,” referenced in the Notice of Rejection, is not viable in real-world driving conditions. The photos included by the Council actually support this: the layout makes reversing or turning impractical and hazardous.
The give way lines are extremely close to the junction and could result in a vehicle being stranded partially on the A4 — another clear safety hazard.
Solid white lines funnel exiting traffic forward and physically discourage any turning back, clearly indicating that the road is designed to force vehicles forward.
The junction’s layout left me no safe, legal alternative but to continue onto Rivercourt Road. The manoeuvre I performed was an ordinary, lawful one — made hazardous only by poor signage, confusing road layout, and environmental conditions.

5. Legal Precedent – Insufficient Signage

As established in James v Cavey [1967] 2 QB 676, the fact that signage is prescribed or authorised does not guarantee that it sufficiently communicates the effect of a traffic order. If signage fails to provide clear and adequate information to the road user, no offence is committed. That principle applies directly in this case.

6. Request for Cancellation and Review

In light of the above, I respectfully request that this appeal be allowed and the PCN be cancelled. The combination of:
unclear and poorly positioned signage,
complex and overwhelming sign clutter,
diminished visibility due to lighting and sunset conditions,
the absence of advance warning,
and the lack of a safe alternative route,
meant that compliance with the restriction was not reasonably possible under the circumstances. I would also respectfully ask the Adjudicator to urge the Council to review the signage layout and placement at this junction in the interest of fairness and public safety.
Thank you for taking the time to consider this representation. I look forward to your response.
Title: Re: PCN Hammersmith and Fulham contravention 52M- RMV Rivercourt Rd
Post by: John U.K. on June 21, 2025, 02:17:01 pm
Soome updates

The Hammersmith Society has pblished another item on the Rivercourt LTN
Original article
https://www.hammersmithsociety.org.uk/rivercourt-road-a-new-two-way-ltn/
New article
https://www.hammersmithsociety.org.uk/rivercourt-road-ltn-and-the-west-dulwich-case/

And this thread (where H&F folded once the appeal had been registered)
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/hammersmith-and-fulham-code-52m-failing-to-comply-with-a-prohibition-on-certain-/

has a number of technical arguments from Bustagate, with an update
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/hammersmith-and-fulham-code-52m-failing-to-comply-with-a-prohibition-on-certain-/15/
Title: Re: PCN Hammersmith and Fulham contravention 52M- RMV Rivercourt Rd
Post by: Tod on June 21, 2025, 12:43:10 pm
Thank you so much for your insight and suggestions — I really appreciate the time and clarity you've given in looking over this. That’s a very helpful observation regarding the lighting and visibility of the sign, and I’ll definitely keep that point in reserve in case it becomes relevant at the hearing or in response to the Council’s evidence pack.

I still have about two weeks before the deadline, so I’m going to wait a little longer to see if any further suggestions come through before submitting the appeal. In the meantime, I’ll revise point 3 as you advised and make sure to reference the ‘Council’s own video’ clearly.

Thanks again — this has been really encouraging.
Title: Re: PCN Hammersmith and Fulham contravention 52M- RMV Rivercourt Rd
Post by: John U.K. on June 21, 2025, 12:30:09 pm

If you mean the footage from their website, yes—I’ve already downloaded it.

 The Council's own video footage demonstrates the danger involved when a driver attempts to react abruptly to the signage at this junction. Another vehicle, visible shortly after my turn, decided to stop and turn around upon seeing the restriction. As shown in the footage, this sudden manoeuvre caused the car behind them to brake sharply and stop unexpectedly to avoid a collision. This illustrates how hazardous it would have been for me to attempt the same action, especially with vehicles closely following behind me. In my case, i was confused and I had only a few seconds to process the signage while turning and, given the speed and proximity of the traffic, any sudden stop or reversal would have created an immediate risk to road safety. Continuing forward was the only safe and responsible decision under the circumstances.


Sunset on 25th April was 8.14pm - the video shows how much light there was. If the sun were shining, it would have been directly into the face of the sign(s) - I think there was only one then) on the A4, and as the 2nd sign in your own video shows, renders it unreadable. Save this point for the hearing or if H&F pl;ead adequate advance warning in their evidence pack.

Your paragraph (underlined) about the safety aspect shouild be added to your point 3 (include the words 'Council's own' so the Adj. knows to which video you are referring.
Title: Re: PCN Hammersmith and Fulham contravention 52M- RMV Rivercourt Rd
Post by: Tod on June 21, 2025, 11:35:25 am
https://imgur.com/S9hShKn

If you mean the footage from their website, yes—I’ve already downloaded it. The video footage demonstrates the danger involved when a driver attempts to react abruptly to the signage at this junction. Another vehicle, visible shortly after my turn, decided to stop and turn around upon seeing the restriction. As shown in the footage, this sudden manoeuvre caused the car behind them to brake sharply and stop unexpectedly to avoid a collision. This illustrates how hazardous it would have been for me to attempt the same action, especially with vehicles closely following behind me. In my case, i was confused and I had only a few seconds to process the signage while turning and, given the speed and proximity of the traffic, any sudden stop or reversal would have created an immediate risk to road safety. Continuing forward was the only safe and responsible decision under the circumstances.
Title: Re: PCN Hammersmith and Fulham contravention 52M- RMV Rivercourt Rd
Post by: Tod on June 21, 2025, 10:13:01 am
Thank you for pointing that out. Unfortunately, I no longer have access to the video footage, as my camera does not retain recordings for that long. It automatically overwrites older footage after a certain period, so I’m unable to retrieve anything from the 25th of April.
Title: Re: PCN Hammersmith and Fulham contravention 52M- RMV Rivercourt Rd
Post by: John U.K. on June 21, 2025, 06:49:34 am
I've just noticed that the alleged offence took place at 8.20pm on the 25th April.
Please could you download and post here the video, just in case there is an additional point to be made in your defence.
Title: Re: PCN Hammersmith and Fulham contravention 52M- RMV Rivercourt Rd
Post by: Incandescent on June 20, 2025, 11:26:29 pm
The so called advance signs are not traffic signs, you see t hem all over t he place to announce forthcoming roadworks where I live, (near Crewe), and are very hard to read at 40 mph or more. and are pretty much useless in my view. I would carry on. However, as they are now playing hardball, you need to forego the attractive discount, stand your ground and be prepared to take them to London Tribunals.
Title: Re: PCN Hammersmith and Fulham contravention 52M- RMV Rivercourt Rd
Post by: Tod on June 20, 2025, 11:12:18 pm
Their letter of rejection completely fails to consider any of your representations ! It goes into a load of guff about the scheme, none of which is of any relevance whatsoever. If it were me, I'd be taking them to London Tribunals, but it's your decision.

As they now seem to be playing hardball, it would be a good idea to see if any changes have been made to the signage, especially any advance signs on the A4 main road.
As you can see in the footage, there are quite a few signs along the road, and with the sun glaring, it's really difficult to notice and read them. Yes, there are two signs visible now, but I honestly don’t even remember seeing them at the time, especially with all the other distractions and traffic around.
https://imgur.com/wdc6oW6
Title: Re: PCN Hammersmith and Fulham contravention 52M- RMV Rivercourt Rd
Post by: Tod on June 18, 2025, 10:52:13 pm
For convenience:

(https://i.imgur.com/mSg2nD2.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/VwmKTIo.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Lyb4ccO.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/WLFFa6x.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/FYLGpuw.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/C8nqrGh.jpeg)

Despite including all your reps in their reply, they have only addressed point 2 of of your six points, ignoring points1 and 3-6. That means you may add 'Failure to consider' to your appeal.

You can register your appeal to LT. Make sure you opt for a personal (= by videolinkl or telephone) hearing. Never, ever, decision on papers.

In your shoes I'd simply write in the box I rely on my original representations and add that the Council considered point 2 and failed to consider the other six
 OR
Copy and paste the original reps and add the bit about failure to consider.
BUT
Give it a few days to see if the experts here have anything to add (but do not miss deadlines got registering).


Thank you for your advice John, agree with all of your points. Will wait to see if theres anything more to be added and will definitely consider appeal to LT.
Title: Re: PCN Hammersmith and Fulham contravention 52M- RMV Rivercourt Rd
Post by: John U.K. on June 18, 2025, 04:49:56 pm
Quote
it would be a good idea to see if any changes have been made to the signage, especially any advance signs on the A4 main road.


This (or perhaps a similar sign)was the 'advance warning sign' on the A4 eastbound.

(https://i0.wp.com/www.hammersmithsociety.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/A4-LTN-signage.jpg?resize=768%2C432&ssl=1)

Taken from
https://www.hammersmithsociety.org.uk/rivercourt-road-a-new-two-way-ltn/

If this (or similar) is still in use, then
a) does not conform to TSRGD
b) being dot matrix, and facing due west, whenever the sun shines, the sun will overpower the lights forming the display.
Title: Re: PCN Hammersmith and Fulham contravention 52M- RMV Rivercourt Rd
Post by: Incandescent on June 18, 2025, 04:18:21 pm
Their letter of rejection completely fails to consider any of your representations ! It goes into a load of guff about the scheme, none of which is of any relevance whatsoever. If it were me, I'd be taking them to London Tribunals, but it's your decision.

As they now seem to be playing hardball, it would be a good idea to see if any changes have been made to the signage, especially any advance signs on the A4 main road.
Title: Re: PCN Hammersmith and Fulham contravention 52M- RMV Rivercourt Rd
Post by: John U.K. on June 18, 2025, 03:18:00 pm
For convenience:

(https://i.imgur.com/mSg2nD2.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/VwmKTIo.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Lyb4ccO.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/WLFFa6x.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/FYLGpuw.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/C8nqrGh.jpeg)

Despite including all your reps in their reply, they have only addressed point 2 of of your six points, ignoring points1 and 3-6. That means you may add 'Failure to consider' to your appeal.

You can register your appeal to LT. Make sure you opt for a personal (= by videolinkl or telephone) hearing. Never, ever, decision on papers.

In your shoes I'd simply write in the box I rely on my original representations and add that the Council considered point 2 and failed to consider the other six
 OR
Copy and paste the original reps and add the bit about failure to consider.
BUT
Give it a few days to see if the experts here have anything to add (but do not miss deadlines got registering).

Title: PCN Hammersmith and Fulham contravention 52M- RMV Rivercourt Rd
Post by: Tod on June 18, 2025, 01:25:47 pm
Hi everyone,
I’ve already submitted a challenge using the wording shared on this forum, but unfortunately, it was rejected. I did u as advised a photo showing all the confusing signage.

Would anyone be able to offer further advice?
Do you think it’s worth taking this to the Tribunal?

Here's the wording i've used:

I believe the PCN was unfairly issued due to the following reasons:

1. Inadequate and Insufficient Signage
There were no clear and visible advance warnings on the A4 before reaching the exit to indicate the prohibition. I was unaware that recent restrictions had been put in place. The absence of prominent and timely signage meant I had no reasonable opportunity to avoid the restriction or safely choose an alternative route. I believe this falls short of the standards required for proper enforcement and fair warning.

2. Pre-existing Engagement in an Uber Trip
At the time of the alleged contravention, I was actively engaged in an Uber trip and navigating toward a designated passenger pickup point. I have attached a screenshot of the journey as evidence. The nature of ride-hailing work requires timely pickups, and I was attempting to reach the passenger efficiently while still complying with traffic rules.

3. Highway Safety Concerns
Upon exiting the A4, I was presented with a high density of various signs, including multiple speed limits, parking restrictions, camera enforcement notices, directional signs, lorry-specific signage, and operational time restrictions. The clutter of approximately 10 different signs in a single location made it nearly impossible to safely interpret the restriction in real time while negotiating a busy junction. The lack of clarity creates a risk of misinterpretation and confusion, particularly for drivers unfamiliar with recent changes.

4. Lack of Safe Alternatives
Once committed to the exit, there was no safe or lawful way to reverse or avoid the restriction without violating Highway Code Rules 200 and 201. The layout and positioning of the signage effectively forced drivers to proceed, even if unaware of the restriction. This scenario placed me in an untenable position, where the only available option was to continue forward for safety reasons.

5. First-Time Offence and Request for Discretion
I would also like to highlight that this is my first offence of this nature. I have a clean driving record and always aim to comply with traffic laws and local restrictions. I respectfully request that this be taken into account and that the council exercise discretion in waiving the penalty on this occasion. I am now fully aware of the restriction and will avoid this route in the future.


6. Request for Discretion and Review
In light of the above, I respectfully request that this PCN be reviewed and cancelled. The combination of insufficient advance warning, the complexity of signage, the operational nature of my journey, and the lack of a safe alternative made the situation unavoidable. I also urge the council to review the current signage layout and consider improvements to prevent similar incidents from occurring.
Thank you for taking the time to consider my representation. I look forward to your response.
Yours sincerely,
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PCN number HZ91620754
VRN: YB22MXR


Thanks in advance for any help!  @cp8759
Please find below photos of the PCN and letter of rejection.
https://imgur.com/a/oNjUIe7