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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: KingJulien on June 15, 2025, 11:55:53 pm

Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: KingJulien on July 20, 2026, 01:27:52 pm
Contacted CNBC and they have informed me that the N180 form has been posted out on 18th. No update on MCOL yet.
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: KingJulien on July 16, 2026, 06:21:53 pm
I have not received a N180 either yet  :-\

Neither have I received a notice of allocation from the court.

I have received a email from CEL on 7th of July in Which they have attached a N180, which requests for a remote hearing.

I have not received any communication from CNBC.

Should I check this with the court?

Edit: I have checked MCOL and I can’t see any other form to submit or any update on the claim history, though CEL’s email state that they have forwarded their N180 to CNBC.
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: jfollows on July 15, 2026, 03:01:46 pm
This came through from CEL directly as an email and I haven’t received anything from CNBC yet. So I do not have a deadline for the witness statement yet, but I have started working on it.
It’s unlikely that CEL would file a witness statement without being directed to by the court, in which case the same deadline would apply to you, and you may not have received the letter with the relevant instructions, usually including the deadline for the claimant to pay the court fee and the date of the hearing, as in the post above by @DWMB2.
In your place I would contact the court you nominated in your Directions Questionnaire (N180)and ask them whether or not you have missed something important and, if you have, to resend it to you. You make no mention of this in this thread, so if you haven’t filed this there is another problem to sort out with the court.

The normal process is to file AoS/defence, be sent a N180 DQ form to complete and return - which can be done online - then mediation which is mandatory but you offer £0. Only after this would you get a letter of allocation to your local court and instructions on filing witness statements. How many of these steps have actually happened?
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: DWMB2 on July 15, 2026, 02:49:18 pm
Have you received a notice of allocation from the court, informing you of the hearing date?
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: KingJulien on July 15, 2026, 02:29:38 pm
This came through from CEL directly as an email and I haven’t received anything from CNBC yet. So I do not have a deadline for the witness statement yet, but I have started working on it.
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: InterCity125 on July 13, 2026, 08:38:55 pm
Oh

So basically they've introduced PoFA liability but it wasn't on the Claim Form.

When does your Witness Statement need to be submitted?
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: KingJulien on July 13, 2026, 07:42:48 pm
Please see the attached witness statement.

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Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: DWMB2 on July 13, 2026, 07:32:21 pm
We can't advise on a witness statement we haven't seen. Please show us.
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: KingJulien on July 13, 2026, 07:22:41 pm
I have received an email from the Claims manager with a generic witness statement, but I have not received the copy from CNBC yet.

Their email states 'We reserve the right to file and serve a supplementary or updated witness statement prior to the hearing, should it become necessary.'
Do I need to do anything at this stage at all?
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: KingJulien on June 28, 2026, 11:50:36 pm
Thanks InterCity125! You've been a huge help and I have learned a lot!
I removed 'and the Defendant declines to do so' from 6, and paras 10-12 and submitted the defence without the draft order (https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji106.png)
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: InterCity125 on June 28, 2026, 09:26:26 pm
I would finish at point 9.

Leave 10, 11 and 12 out for the moment.
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: KingJulien on June 28, 2026, 08:41:31 pm
Thank you InterCity125! I have changed my defence based on your input.
Should I remove point 10 and 11? Will it be an issue if I do not include it now, but do so in a witness statement at a later stage?

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**DEFENCE**

1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and fails adequately to disclose a cause of action against the Defendant.

2. The Particulars of Claim ("PoC") are sparse and fail to plead the Claimant's case with sufficient particularity. Accordingly, the Defendant is only able to file a skeleton Defence addressing the matters presently pleaded.

3. It is admitted only that the Defendant was the registered keeper of the vehicle referred to in the Particulars of Claim at the material time.

4. The Claimant has not pleaded whether the Defendant is pursued as the driver, the registered keeper, or on any other legal basis.

5. Although the Notice to Keeper referred to Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, the Claimant has not pleaded any reliance upon Schedule 4 in the Particulars of Claim, nor pleaded the facts necessary to establish keeper liability. The Particulars of Claim do not identify the driver or explain the legal basis upon which the Defendant, as registered keeper, is alleged to be liable.

6. There is no legal obligation upon the registered keeper of a vehicle to identify the driver to a private parking operator, and the Defendant declines to do so.

7. There is no legal presumption that the registered keeper of a vehicle was its driver on any particular occasion.

8. The Claimant has chosen not to plead any alternative basis of liability. In the absence of any pleaded basis upon which the Defendant, as registered keeper, may be held liable, and in the absence of any pleaded facts identifying the Defendant as the driver, the Claimant is put to strict proof that the Defendant is liable for the alleged contractual breach.

9. Accordingly, the Defendant denies that any liability to the Claimant has been established and denies that any sum is owed.

10. Upon becoming aware of the PCN, the Defendant notified the shop and the building owner, who recorded the PCN details and confirmed they would arrange for its cancellation. The Defendant reasonably relied on that assurance. Following receipt of the Letter Before Claim, the Defendant was informed that the cancellation had not been processed and was incorrectly told the cancellation period had expired.

11. The Defendant's position is that the Claimant's signage and payment arrangements did not clearly communicate the restriction now relied upon. The Defendant possesses contemporaneous documentary evidence relating to the operation of the Claimant's nominated payment system at the location and will rely upon that evidence, together with evidence relating to the site signage, at the appropriate stage of these proceedings.

12. The Defendant respectfully invites the Court to dismiss the claim.

With regards do a draft order should I just use the template draft order, or do I need to add anything mentioning reasonable grounds within CPR 3.4(2)(a)(ChatGPT advises so ::) )?
Should I use the short draft order on the one in the link below?
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/o1xbmqxzmgn4dv9el96kd/Draft-Order.pdf?rlkey=td1ajprejse2mgq6z9x0fgahr&st=byvlkosl&dl=0

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DRAFT ORDER
Of the Court's own initiative and upon reading the particulars of claim and the defence.

AND the court being of the view that the particulars of claim do not comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a) because (a) they do not set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is (or are) relied on and (b) they do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts that the defendant was in breach of contract.

AND the claimant could have complied with CPR 16.4(1)(a) had it served separate detailed particulars of claim [as it could have done pursuant to CPR PD7C.5.2(2) but it chose not to do that.

AND upon the claim being for a very modest sum such that the court considers it disproportionate and not in accordance with the overriding objective to allot to this case any further share of the court resources by ordering further particulars of claim and a further defence each of which will be followed further referrals to the judge for case management.

Order
1. The claim is struck out.
2. Permission to either party to apply to set aside, vary or stay this order by
an application on notice which must be filed at this Court not more than 5
days after service of this order, failing which no such application may be
made.

Edit: Sorry, I forgot to add the defence regarding the building owner and cancellation, I’ll update the defence shortly to include that.

Edit: I have added this now! Thanks jfollows!  :)
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: InterCity125 on June 28, 2026, 01:01:54 pm
In the first instance I would keep the defence super-simple purely because they are not pleading keeper liability.

Something like;

1. That liability for the alleged debt is denied and that no money is owed by myself to the Claimant.

2. That the Particulars of Claim (POC) are so sparse that I can only submit what is regarded as a skeleton defence based on the Claimant's pleaded claim.

3. That it is acknowledged that I was the Keeper of the vehicle in question at the material time.

4. That the vehicle driver is not known by the Claimant and the Claimant has provided no evidence as to who was driving at the material time when they allege the contract / breach occurred.

5. That there is no legal obligation for a vehicle keeper to provide driver details to an unregulated private parking contractor and I will not be providing such information under any circumstance.

6. That, in law, the Claimant cannot automatically assume that the registered keeper was the driver on any given occasion.

7. That the Claimant has not pleaded any alternative to driver liability in their POC and, as such, they are put to strict proof to demonstrate who was driving at the material time.

8. That with the driver unknown and, no alterative pleaded liability, I deny that any money is owned by myself to the Claimant.
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: KingJulien on June 28, 2026, 12:15:12 pm
I am not editing the last post so that the attachments dont disappear!

Is the below defence any better? Am I still risking identifying myself as the driver?

Defence

1. The Defendant denies that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed, or to any relief at all.

2. The Particulars of Claim are sparse and fail to plead the Claimant's case with sufficient particularity. They do not identify the contractual terms relied upon, how they were allegedly accepted, nor the legal basis upon which the Defendant is said to be liable. The Defendant is therefore unable to plead to matters which have not been properly particularised and the Claimant is put to strict proof of every element of its claim.

3. It is admitted only that the Defendant is the registered keeper of the vehicle referred to in the Particulars of Claim. Save as expressly admitted, the allegations are denied.

4. The Claimant alleges that the parking charge arose because "Payment not made / permit not obtained in accordance with notified terms". The Defendant denies that any enforceable contractual liability arose.

5. The signage at the location prominently advertised "Phone and Pay Public Parking" together with parking tariffs. The restriction upon which the Claimant now relies was not given equivalent prominence. Taken as a whole, the signage was capable of conveying to a reasonable motorist that parking was available through the advertised payment system.

6. The Defendant is in possession of contemporaneous records demonstrating that, on the day before the alleged parking event, the Claimant's nominated payment system generated a completed parking receipt for the same location, vehicle registration and location code showing a parking charge of £0.00. The Defendant also possesses receipts showing that, on other occasions at the same location, parking charges were successfully paid where payment was required.

7. Those records are consistent with the payment system presenting differing charging arrangements depending upon the circumstances and demonstrate that the Defendant had every reason to understand that the advertised payment system was the correct means of complying with the parking terms.

8. The Defendant subsequently revisited the location and observed that, prior to the Claimant changing parking providers, the same location code continued to present a parking session with a parking charge of £0.00. The Defendant does not know why the Claimant's chosen payment system produced that result. That is a matter within the Claimant's knowledge. If the Claimant's case is that no parking could be purchased during the relevant period, it is put to strict proof that its payment system clearly communicated that fact to motorists using the payment method advertised on its own signage.

9. Following receipt of the Parking Charge Notice, the Defendant attended the premises and was directed by a retailer to the building reception. A member of reception staff took the Defendant's details and stated that the Parking Charge Notice would be cancelled. Upon later receiving further correspondence from the Claimant, the Defendant returned to the premises and was informed by the reception manager that the cancellation had not been processed and that it was then too late to do so. The Defendant will give evidence of those events.

10. The Claimant is put to strict proof that:

(a) the signage adequately communicated the contractual terms relied upon;

(b) the payment system clearly informed motorists when parking was unavailable or that a permit was required;

(c) the Claimant had authority from the landowner to enter contracts and pursue this claim.

11. This matter is readily distinguishable from *ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis* [2015] UKSC 67. The issues in this case concern the adequacy of the contractual notice, the operation of the Claimant's chosen payment system, and whether any contractual obligation was clearly communicated to motorists.

12. In the circumstances, the Defendant denies that the Claimant has established any entitlement to the sum claimed and respectfully invites the Court to dismiss the claim.
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: KingJulien on June 28, 2026, 11:55:29 am
Sorry the attachments seems to have been displayed incorrectly after I edited the post.

Even during POPLA appeal they insisted that I was the driver, even though I did not identify the driver.

Thank you for the input, I will try remove the boiler plate defence and post another draft including the part where the landowner agreed to cancel this initially.

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Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: jfollows on June 28, 2026, 08:29:53 am
You don’t need “documentation to prove this”, this is your defence which - if it ever came to it - you would repeat under oath in court.
Which is all the more reason why your defence needs to be something you can stand by, something you understand, and something which directly addresses and counters the claim made against you. It does not need to be long or to be complicated.
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: InterCity125 on June 28, 2026, 07:40:12 am
That defence is overly complicated and appears to be of the 'boiler-plate' type which you were advised to avoid.

The first thing I notice from the Claim form is that they are only pursuing you as the vehicle driver - no mention of alternative pursuit under PoFA Schedule 4.

Could you please post up the original PCN?
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: KingJulien on June 27, 2026, 10:34:53 pm
Thank you for the advice. I have filed the AoS today.

I have drafted a brief defense. I am unsure how I can add the fact that the reception for the building management told me that they would cancel the claim, as I do not have any documentation to prove this.

I am adding my defence to the template, however, because of the MCOL line limit I am unsure to what extent do I need to state my case, beyond what is already covered by the template.

I am attaching the additional documents for my defence below the draft.

I will try shorten this to try fit this in to the MCOL line limit, but I would appreciate some pointers especially regarding any information that can be safely omitted from my draft without affecting my defence.

Do I need to mention anything regarding the rejected POPLA appeal?

Do I need to change the language further to not identify the driver at this stage?

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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

Civil Enforcement Ltd
Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]

Defendant

DEFENCE

1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a).

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:
(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16.7.3(1);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts)

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest, damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The Defendant cites the cases of CEL v Chan 2023 [E7GM9W44] and CPMS v Akande 2024 [K0DP5J30], which are persuasive appellate decisions. In these cases, claims were struck out due to identical failures to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a). Transcripts of these decisions are attached to this Defence.

5. The Defendant attaches to this defence a copy of a draft order approved by a district judge at another court. The court struck out the claim of its own initiative after determining that the Particulars of Claim failed to comply with CPR 16.4.(1)(a). The judge noted that the claimant had failed to:
(i) Set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions relied upon;

(ii) Failed to explain the reasons why the defendant was allegedly in breach of contract;

(iii) Provide separate, detailed Particulars of Claim as permitted under CPR PD 7C.5.2(2).

(iv) The court further observed that, given the modest sum claimed, requiring further case management steps would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective. Accordingly, the judge struck out the claim outright rather than permitting an amendment.

6. The Defendant submits that the same reasoning applies in this case and invites the court to adopt a similar approach by striking out the claim for the Claimant’s failure to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a).

7. The signage at the location prominently advertises "PHONE AND PAY PUBLIC PARKING" together with parking tariffs. The alleged restriction upon which the Claimant relies is contained within significantly less prominent wording. The overall presentation of the signage was such that a reasonable motorist would understand that parking was available through the advertised payment system.

8.Prior to the material date, the Defendant had legitimately parked at the same location using the Claimant's nominated Phone & Pay payment system. On 8 May 2025 the Defendant obtained a completed parking receipt showing the correct location code, vehicle registration, parking period and a parking charge of £0.00.

9. Accordingly, when parking again on 9 May 2025, the Defendant again followed the payment process specified by the Claimant's signage. Having successfully used that process previously and having received a completed £0.00 parking receipt for the same location on the previous day, the Defendant reasonably believed that they had complied with the parking arrangements.

10. The Defendant does not know why the Claimant's own payment system generated a £0.00 parking session. That is a matter within the Claimant's own knowledge. However, the Defendant reasonably relied upon the payment system specified by the Claimant's signage and had no reason to believe that further action was required.

11. The Defendant subsequently revisited the location and observed that the same Phone & Pay application continued to present a parking session at that location showing a parking charge of £0.00. A contemporaneous screenshot was retained before the operator subsequently changed parking providers. Whilst this later screenshot does not establish the operation of the system on the material date, it supports the Defendant's evidence that the payment system presented £0.00 parking sessions for that location.

12. The Defendant also possesses records demonstrating that, on other occasions when payment was required at the same location, valid parking charges were successfully paid using the same application. This is consistent with the Defendant's intention to comply with the advertised parking arrangements whenever payment was required and inconsistent with any suggestion of deliberate non-compliance.

13. The Claimant is put to strict proof that:
(a) the signage displayed on the material date adequately and prominently communicated the contractual terms relied upon;
(b) the payment system accurately reflected those contractual terms;
(c) the payment system clearly informed motorists if parking was unavailable or further steps were required; and
(d) the Claimant possessed the necessary landowner authority to offer parking contracts and to pursue litigation in its own name.

14. The Defendant avers that the alleged contractual terms were not transparent or sufficiently prominent as required by sections 62 and 68 of the Consumer Rights Act 2015. Any ambiguity must be interpreted in favour of the consumer.

15. This matter is readily distinguishable from ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67. Unlike that case, the issues here concern whether the contractual terms were adequately communicated and whether the Defendant reasonably relied upon the Claimant's own advertised payment system.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

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Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: jfollows on June 27, 2026, 06:55:29 pm
Think about your defence here.

Do not use a boilerplate/template defence. These are increasingly being struck out. Stick to the facts and respond to the Particulars of Claim. Primary should be that the land owner told you this would be cancelled. File a defence or Acknowledgement of Service by 13 July. If you file AoS, file a defence by 27 July. Feel free to post here for comments/input prior to the deadline.

Your defence can include the fact that the Particulars of Claim are rubbish, but shouldn’t only be this point.
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: KingJulien on June 27, 2026, 06:11:21 pm
I received a N1SDT claim form from CE today. They never responded to the reply I sent to their LoC. They sent me an identical one last month, and I sent them another identical response as last time.

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I am unsure how to respond to this. Do I need to login to MCOL and submit a AoS straight away?
I would appreciate any guidance in responding to this Claim.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: KingJulien on October 07, 2025, 07:44:17 pm
I thought so as much. I think at this point it might be a dead end to convince the landowners to cancel this, as they were unwilling to even try. The shops in the building will definitely lose my business for good irrespective of the outcome.

I will wait to hear back from CEL to see if they take this forward.
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: jfollows on October 07, 2025, 07:42:25 pm
If the land owner hired CEL in the first place, they can get this cancelled. Saying otherwise is simply not true.
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: KingJulien on October 07, 2025, 07:38:09 pm
I went back to the Landowner, and as they had initially took the PCN details down and told me that they would get it cancelled. Today they told me that the assistant had forgotten to do so, and since its 28 days after the PCN issue date they cannot do anything now.

I don't know if this is a real thing.
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: KingJulien on October 01, 2025, 09:59:05 pm
Thank you b789!

You're a legend  :)

I have sent this response to them by post and email.
I will wait to hear back from them and come back with an update.
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: b789 on September 29, 2025, 04:25:18 pm
You can respond to that LBC (LoC) as follows:

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Subject: Response to your Letter Before Claim Ref: [reference number]

Dear Sirs,

Your Letter Before Claim contains insufficient detail of the claim and fails to provide copies of the evidence you place reliance upon, putting it in clear breach of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims.

As a serial litigator, one would expect you to comply with paragraphs 3.1(a)–(d), 5.1 and 5.2 of the Protocol, and paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. These provisions exist to facilitate informed discussion and proportionate resolution. You may wish to reacquaint yourselves with them.

The Civil Procedure Rules 1998, Pre-Action Conduct and Protocols (Part 3), require the exchange of sufficient information to understand each other’s position. Part 6 clarifies that this includes disclosure of key documents relevant to the issues in dispute.

Your template letter refers to a “contract” yet encloses none. That omission undermines the only foundation upon which your claim allegedly rests. It is not possible to engage in meaningful pre-litigation dialogue while you decline to furnish the very document you purport to enforce.

I confirm that, once I am in receipt of a Letter Before Claim that complies with para 3.1(a), I shall seek advice and submit a formal response within 30 days, as required. Accordingly, please provide:

1. A copy of the original Notice to Keeper (NtK) and any notice chain relied upon to assert PoFA 2012 liability.

2. A copy of the contract you allege exists between you and the driver, being an actual photograph of the sign(s) in place on the material date (not a stock image), together with a site plan showing the sign locations.

3. The precise wording of the clause(s) allegedly breached.

4. The written agreement between you and the landowner evidencing standing/authority to enforce and to litigate.

5. A breakdown of the sums claimed, identifying whether the principal sum is claimed as consideration or damages, and whether the £70 “debt recovery” add-on includes VAT.


I am entitled to this information under paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction, and I require it to meet my own obligation under paragraph 6(b).

If you fail to provide the above, I will treat that as non-compliance with the PAPDC and Pre-Action Conduct. I reserve the right to place this correspondence before the Court and to seek appropriate sanctions and costs (including, where appropriate, a stay and/or other case management orders).

Until you comply and provide the requested material, I am unable to respond properly to the alleged claim or to consider my position. It would be premature and a waste of costs and court time to issue proceedings. Should you do so, I will seek immediate case management relief pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the Practice Direction and an order compelling provision of the above.

Please note, I will not engage with any web portal; I will only respond by email or post.

Yours faithfully,

[Your name]
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: KingJulien on September 29, 2025, 04:08:04 pm
What was the name of this moronic POPLA assessor? Quite clearly, they have had the BPA chip fully inserted and activated.

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The terms and conditions must be clear and unambiguous, using a font and contrast that is be conspicuous and legible. I am satisfied that the signage on site meets the single code of practice. Furthermore, the signage is clear that public parking is Monday to Friday 6pm – 7am. The signage does not mislead motorists as the font is large and clear when public parking is. The smaller writing tells motorists that public parking is only permitted 7am – 6pm, Monday to Friday. But is still clear for the motorists to see. The obligation lies with the motorist to read the full sign and ensure they are fully aware of the terms and conditions. Furthermore, the signage does not breach the Consumer Rights Act 2015 as it is clear, abundant. Additionally, that they app payment details are clear and there to advertise the payment method only. It does not mislead motorists into thinking the app payment is at all times. The responsibility lies with the motorist to read the signage carefully.

That sign is in no way, shape or form unambiguous. The critical information about permit holders only between 7am and 6pm is hidden in tiny font and certainly wouldn't pass Lord Dennings' Red Hand Rule. The ambiguity is also present because it says a permit can be purchased.

I could go on but it is a waste of effort. DO NOT pay a penny. The POPLA decision is not binding on you. Should this ever reach a court room, they would not stand a chance trying to convince a really independent arbiter that the sign does not fail the CRA.

For now, you can safely ignore all useless debt recovery letters. Debt collectors are powerless to actually do anything except to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear.

Come back when you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC) and this is easily fought with the advice we provide.

Edited to add: I just asked a judge about this signage and he agreed and couldn't see a judge finding for the claimant on this one.
Unfortunately I do not recollect the name of the assessor, and I am unable to access the appeal outcome anymore on the POPLA website.

Thank you for the clarification regarding the signage.

I have now received a Letter before Action directly from Civil enforcement. It has given me a 30 day period to respond to the letter, and it looks like they have skipped the debt collector letter stage on this.

I am attaching the letter I received and would appreciate any advice.

On a related note, I had parked in the same car park, the day before, and the app allowed me to park, and I managed to find a receipt for this on Phone and Pay app, and I have previously paid for parking at this location as well. Should I mention this going forward if this goes to court?

Payment receipts


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Letter Before Claim


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Is there any need to respond to this letter at this stage?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: b789 on August 14, 2025, 09:16:35 am
What was the name of this moronic POPLA assessor? Quite clearly, they have had the BPA chip fully inserted and activated.

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The terms and conditions must be clear and unambiguous, using a font and contrast that is be conspicuous and legible. I am satisfied that the signage on site meets the single code of practice. Furthermore, the signage is clear that public parking is Monday to Friday 6pm – 7am. The signage does not mislead motorists as the font is large and clear when public parking is. The smaller writing tells motorists that public parking is only permitted 7am – 6pm, Monday to Friday. But is still clear for the motorists to see. The obligation lies with the motorist to read the full sign and ensure they are fully aware of the terms and conditions. Furthermore, the signage does not breach the Consumer Rights Act 2015 as it is clear, abundant. Additionally, that they app payment details are clear and there to advertise the payment method only. It does not mislead motorists into thinking the app payment is at all times. The responsibility lies with the motorist to read the signage carefully.

That sign is in no way, shape or form unambiguous. The critical information about permit holders only between 7am and 6pm is hidden in tiny font and certainly wouldn't pass Lord Dennings' Red Hand Rule. The ambiguity is also present because it says a permit can be purchased.

I could go on but it is a waste of effort. DO NOT pay a penny. The POPLA decision is not binding on you. Should this ever reach a court room, they would not stand a chance trying to convince a really independent arbiter that the sign does not fail the CRA.

For now, you can safely ignore all useless debt recovery letters. Debt collectors are powerless to actually do anything except to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear.

Come back when you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC) and this is easily fought with the advice we provide.

Edited to add: I just asked a judge about this signage and he agreed and couldn't see a judge finding for the claimant on this one.
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: ixxy on August 13, 2025, 08:24:26 pm
Nothing else you can do now other than ignore all correspondence from debt collectors but keep an eye out for a letter of claim, then come back here for further advice.
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: KingJulien on August 13, 2025, 08:10:38 pm
I just had the POPLA appeal outcome. They rejected it.

Should I just wait to see if they take it to court, or should I be doing anything else in the meanwhile?
Is it worth raising a compliant with the BPA? Or should I just wait and see if I receive a LBC?

Assessor supporting rational for decision
When entering onto a private car park such as this one, a motorist might form a contract with the parking operator by remaining on the land for a reasonable period. The signage in place sets out the terms and conditions of this contract. The contract on site is a pay for parking car park and permit holders can register their vehicle registration. The operator provided photographic evidence of the vehicle in question remaining in the car park for 29 minutes and didn’t register their vehicle registration. In relation to point 1: The appellant was present on site during hours when public parking is not permitted. It is the responsibility of the motorist to observe and comply with the clearly displayed signage. The operator is under no obligation to offer public parking between the hours of 7:00 AM and 6:00 PM. The terms and conditions for parking on the site are set by the landowner, not the motorist. It is the motorist’s duty to ensure they are parking in accordance with these terms. Failure to do so may result in the issuance of a Parking Charge Notice. In relation to point 2: This sector Code of Practice has been jointly created by the British Parking Association (BPA) and the International Parking Community (IPC). It is largely based on the Government’s Private Parking Code of Practice, which was published in February 2022, and subsequently withdrawn in June 2022. The new Code came into force on the 1 October 2024. The Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice (The Code). Section 3.1.1 of the Single Code of Practice states that there must be an entrance sign displayed and maintained at the entrance to the site, to inform drivers whether parking is permitted subject to terms and conditions or prohibited. Section 3.1.2 of the Code contains the principles the entrance sign must display, including whether public parking is available and if a payment is required. Its design must also comply with the standard format as described in Annex A. The entrance sign must take into account the speed of vehicles approaching the car park. The operator's evidence proves clear entrance signage. Section 3.1.3 of the Single Code of Practice contains the requirements for signs displaying the terms and conditions. The signs must be placed throughout the site, so that drivers have the opportunity to read them when parking or leaving their vehicle. The terms and conditions must be clear and unambiguous, using a font and contrast that is be conspicuous and legible. I am satisfied that the signage on site meets the single code of practice. Furthermore, the signage is clear that public parking is Monday to Friday 6pm – 7am. The signage does not mislead motorists as the font is large and clear when public parking is. The smaller writing tells motorists that public parking is only permitted 7am – 6pm, Monday to Friday. But is still clear for the motorists to see. The obligation lies with the motorist to read the full sign and ensure they are fully aware of the terms and conditions. Furthermore, the signage does not breach the Consumer Rights Act 2015 as it is clear, abundant. Additionally, that they app payment details are clear and there to advertise the payment method only. It does not mislead motorists into thinking the app payment is at all times. The responsibility lies with the motorist to read the signage carefully. In relation to point 3: The reason why the payment appellant showed zero, was because it was not possible to pay for parking during the time the driver was on site. The time they were parked the car park was for permit holders only which was clearly stated in the signage. In relation to point 4: In this case, it is not clear who the driver of the appellant’s vehicle is, so I must consider the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012, as the operator issued the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) to the keeper of the vehicle. The operator has provided me with a copy of the notice to keeper sent to the appellant. I have reviewed the notice to keeper against the relevant sections of PoFA 2012 and I am satisfied that it is compliant. I will therefore be assessing the appellant’s liability as the keeper of the vehicle. I can see from the Notice to Keeper (NTK) that it meets POFA and the keeper has rightly been pursued for the parking event. In relation to point 5: There is not requirement for the posting date as the parking event was 09/05/25 and the PCN was issued 7 days later. It is assumed that the PCN would be delivered 2 days after the postage date, which would take the PCN to 19 May as the delivery date, which is still only 10 days after the parking event and well within the POFA guidelines. In relation to point 6: Section 14.1 of the Code states that where controlled land is being managed on behalf of a landowner, written confirmation must be obtained before a parking charge can be issued. In this case I can see from the operator's evidence pack that they have included an Enforcement Agreement to prove they have authority to issue the PCN. POPLA accepts Enforcement Agreements from operators to confirm they have landowner authority to operate at a site, and we do this because it is only a small part of confirming on the balance of probabilities that they have landowner authority. The fact that they have signs, camera, personnel, etc, at the site also supports that proof. While I note the appellant’s comments, from the information provided from the operator I am satisfied therefore, that the operator had sufficient authority on the date of the contravention. Furthermore, if authority had since been removed, it is likely that the landowner would remove the signage at the same time. Not many landowners would look on quietly while someone operates on their land without their permission. In relation to point 7: I note the appellant's comments, however, the operator's only responsibility is to ensure the third party payment provider’s details are correct on the signage. The operator has no authority over what information the third party payment provider presents on its app. Any complaints about the third party payment provider would need to be raised with them directly outside of this appeals service. I note the appellant's comments. As POPLA is an independent body we are unable to become involved with anything to do with the costs, collections, or payments of the PCN. Any questions regarding payment would need to be addressed with the operator directly. POFA does not state a requirements for payment time frames - it only states the time frames in which the keeper will become liable, which is the warning - and this warning has been correctly given. They can contact the operator for further payment issues or queries. I acknowledge the appellant states the charge is disproportionate and does not reflect the loss to the landowner. The appeal reasons raised have led me to consider the relevant case law of ParkingEye v Beavis. The Supreme Court considered private parking charges in a high-profile case, ParkingEye v Beavis. The Court recognised that parking charges have all the characteristics of a contractual penalty, but nevertheless were enforceable because there were legitimate interests in the charging of overstaying motorists. It concluded that a charge in the region of £85 was proportionate, and it attached importance to the fact that the charge was prominently displayed in large lettering on the signage itself. While the specific facts of the case concerned a free-stay car park where the motorist had overstayed, I consider the principles that lie behind the decision remain the same. Taking these principles into account, I am not going to consider whether the loss is a genuine pre-estimate of loss or whether it reflects a correct loss to the landowner. Rather, I am going to consider the charge amount in the appellant’s case, as well as the legibility of the signage. After reviewing the signage provided by the operator, I am satisfied that the signage is legible, and the charge amount is in the region of £85 and therefore allowable. Ultimately, the crux of this case is that the driver entered the car park during a time when the car park was a permit holders only car park and public paid parking was not permitted. The signage was clear and told motorists public paid parking is only available Monday to Friday 6pm – 7am. The appellant should have left the car park as soon as they read the signage, rather than trying to pay for parking when payment was not possible. it is the motorist’s responsibility to comply with the terms and conditions of the car park. The car park had clear signage to advise the driver of the terms and conditions. Upon consideration of the evidence provided, the driver parked during a time when they were not permitted to park or should have registered their vehicle registration and therefore did not comply with the terms and conditions. This PCN was issued correctly. Accordingly, I have refused this appeal.
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: KingJulien on June 16, 2025, 06:45:29 pm
3. App Confirms That No Payment Option Was Offered
I attempted to pay using the official app (evidence attached – screenshot taken at the same location)...

4. The Operator Has Not Identified the Driver
This Notice to Keeper has been issued under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), but no evidence has been supplied that the operator has identified the driver. I am the registered keeper and do not admit to being the driver. Liability under PoFA must therefore be established strictly according to the requirements of the Act, which have not been demonstrated.

Can you see what's wrong above? If you are claiming no Keeper liability, whilst there is no legal obligation on the Keeper to identify the driver to an unregulated private parking firm, it is very easy to inadvertently blab the drivers identity if you don't refer to the driver in the third person. No "I did this or that", only "the driver did this or that".

That would have been a major mistake. Thanks for pointing it out.
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: b789 on June 16, 2025, 05:55:26 pm
3. App Confirms That No Payment Option Was Offered
I attempted to pay using the official app (evidence attached – screenshot taken at the same location)...

4. The Operator Has Not Identified the Driver
This Notice to Keeper has been issued under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), but no evidence has been supplied that the operator has identified the driver. I am the registered keeper and do not admit to being the driver. Liability under PoFA must therefore be established strictly according to the requirements of the Act, which have not been demonstrated.

Can you see what's wrong above? If you are claiming no Keeper liability, whilst there is no legal obligation on the Keeper to identify the driver to an unregulated private parking firm, it is very easy to inadvertently blab the drivers identity if you don't refer to the driver in the third person. No "I did this or that", only "the driver did this or that".
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: KingJulien on June 16, 2025, 02:00:01 pm
Hello,

Thank you for your help!

I have made a draft as below

1. No Contract Was Formed – Signage Does Not Offer Parking to the Public Between 7am–6pm Weekdays
The signage at the site (Urban Student Life, 1 Devon Street, Liverpool) fails to make any clear offer of parking to the general public during weekday hours of 7am to 6pm. The sign states, in small print, that the area is for “permit holders only” during these times. There is no price listed for public use during these hours, nor is there any invitation to park or pay.

This means no offer was made, and thus no valid contract could be formed for a non-permit holder. A contract cannot be enforced if no clear offer is made to the driver at the time of parking. This PCN was issued during this exact restricted time window (09 May 2025, 12:10 to 12:39), when public parking was not available or offered by the operator.

2. Signage is Misleading and Fails Consumer Protection Standards
The core restriction—permit holders only from 7am to 6pm—is buried in small print and not clearly brought to the attention of drivers. According to the Consumer Rights Act 2015 (CRA):

Section 68 requires that any contract term must be “transparent and prominent.”

Section 62 states that unfair terms are not binding on the consumer.

Schedule 2 flags terms as potentially unfair where they impose a disproportionate financial burden.

In this case, a driver entering the site could reasonably believe they can pay to park using the app, as per the larger, more visible information. But the restriction in the small print contradicts this, and a £100 charge is excessive when the driver had no fair opportunity to understand they were in breach.

3. App Confirms That No Payment Option Was Offered
I attempted to pay using the official app (evidence attached – screenshot taken at the same location), and the app showed a £0.00 charge, with no option to pay. This supports the position that no contract was offered or accepted.

If the system doesn’t allow a user to pay during those hours, this further confirms that no public parking is available, and no enforceable contract exists for the public. This strengthens the argument that the driver was set up to fail and unfairly penalised.

4. The Operator Has Not Identified the Driver
This Notice to Keeper has been issued under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), but no evidence has been supplied that the operator has identified the driver. I am the registered keeper and do not admit to being the driver. Liability under PoFA must therefore be established strictly according to the requirements of the Act, which have not been demonstrated.

5. Strict Proof of Date of Posting Required
The NtK was received several days after its issue date (16 May 2025). I require the operator to provide strict proof of posting date, including evidence of postage and a certificate of posting, in accordance with Schedule 4 of PoFA. Without this, the operator cannot demonstrate compliance with the requirement to serve the notice within the prescribed time limits.

6. Lack of Evidence of Landowner Authority
The operator is put to strict proof that they have a valid contract with the landowner which allows them to issue parking charges and enforce them in their own name. The BPA Code of Practice (Section 7) requires operators to have written authorisation from the landowner to manage and enforce parking.

This must include:

The identity of the landowner(s)

A site boundary plan

The terms and conditions being enforced

Duration of agreement

Details of how and where charges can be issued

A generic statement will not suffice. The contract must be specific to this site and cover the date in question. If the operator fails to provide this documentation, the charge must be cancelled.



Is this enough for the appeal or would you recommend adding anything else?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: b789 on June 16, 2025, 10:02:45 am
Welcome. Why would you want to pay anything to an unregulated private parking firm? Are you tempted by the "mugs discount"?

That sign does not form a valid parking contract for someone parking between 7am and 6pm on a weekday. In the small print, it says that the area is for "permit holders only" during those hours. It also says that public parking using Phone and Pay is only allowed from 6pm to 7am Monday to Friday, and all day on weekends.

This means that during 7am to 6pm on weekdays, public parking is not offered at all. The sign does not invite the public to pay and park during that time. There is no price shown for that time period, and no clear offer is made. Because of this, no contract can be formed for a non-permit holder parking there during those hours. A driver in that situation would not know if they are allowed to park or what rules apply.

The main restriction—"permit holders only" between 7am and 6pm—is hidden in small print. A key requirement of the Consumer Rights Act 2015 (CRA) is that contract terms must be fair and transparent. Section 68 of the Act says that terms must be brought to the consumer’s attention clearly and prominently. Here, the restriction is not visible enough to meet that standard. The average driver could easily miss it.

Also, under Section 62 of the CRA, any term that causes a significant imbalance to the consumer’s disadvantage is unfair and therefore not binding. It is unfair to bury the main restriction in fine print, then issue a £100 charge when the driver had no proper opportunity to read or understand it.

If the operator issues a £100 parking charge for being on-site without a permit during those restricted hours, that also falls under the CRA’s list of potentially unfair terms. Schedule 2 includes terms that require a consumer to pay a disproportionately high sum in compensation. Where no clear contract is formed and the driver was not properly informed, the £100 charge is likely to be considered excessive and unfair.

In summary, no contract can be formed for public parking between 7am and 6pm on a weekday. The sign fails to clearly explain the restriction, the relevant terms are buried in small print, and any charge issued is likely to breach the Consumer Rights Act 2015. The operator’s signage does not meet the legal standard of fairness, transparency, or enforceability.

So, with that knowledge, you should appeal to POPLA. The following points should be raised:

1. No contract was formed

There was no clear offer of parking during 7am to 6pm on a weekday. The sign gives the impression that parking is allowed for payment, but then restricts it to permit holders in small print. A driver cannot accept terms that are not clearly offered, so no contract could be formed.

2. Signage is misleading and unfair

The key restriction is hidden in fine print, which fails the legal requirement for clear and prominent terms. The sign does not make it obvious that daytime parking is banned for non-permit holders. That goes against what most people would understand from looking at it quickly. POPLA assessors have previously cancelled charges where signage is unclear.

3. Consumer Rights Act 2015 applies

The hidden restriction breaches the Consumer Rights Act. Section 62 requires fairness. Section 68 requires transparency. Schedule 2 says a term may be unfair if it causes a significant imbalance, or makes someone pay an excessive penalty. In this case, the sign hides key terms, and the £100 charge is out of proportion if the person did not know parking was restricted.

4. App showed zero charge

You tried to pay using the app, and it showed £0 and didn’t allow payment. That confirms there was no option to pay. If the system doesn’t let the driver pay, there’s no contract. You’ve provided a screenshot from the same location and time of day that shows this behaviour.

5. Driver was not identified

While the keeper can be held liable under PoFA, this doesn’t affect the rest of the appeal. POPLA will still cancel if they find the signage and terms are unclear or unfair. POPLA decisions are based on evidence and contract law, not just PoFA.

6. Require Proof of Posting date of the NtK

You claim that the NtK was not received by post until 23rd May. The operator is required to be able to evidence the date the notice entered the postal system. Put them to strict proof.

7. Put the operator to strict proof of a valid contract flowing from the landowner

Put CE to strict proof that they hold a valid contract flowing from the landowner. If they only provide a statement, it must still evidence the following points as required under the PPSCoP section 14:

Where controlled land is being managed on behalf of a landowner(s), before a parking charge can be issued written confirmation must be obtained by the parking operator from the landowner(s) covering:

a) the identity of the landowner(s)
b) a boundary map of the land to be managed;
c) such byelaws as may apply to the land relating to the management of parking;
d) the permission granted to the parking operator by the landowner(s) and the duration of that permission
e) the parking terms and conditions that are to be applied by the parking operator, including as appropriate the duration of free parking permitted, parking tariffs, and specific permissions and exemptions, e.g. for staff, residents or those stopping for short periods such as taxi and minicab drivers, delivery drivers and couriers;
f) the means by which parking charges will be issued;
NOTE 1: For example, to the windscreen or through the post.
g) responsibility for obtaining relevant consents e.g. planning or advertising consents relating to signs
h) the obligations under which the parking operator is working, in compliance with this Code and as a member of an ATA;
i) notification of the documentation that the parking operator may be required to supply on request to authorised bodies detailing the relationship with the landowner; and
j) the parking operator’s approach to the handling of appeals against parking charges.

Conclusion: You have good grounds to appeal to POPLA. The core issue is that the sign did not clearly explain that daytime parking was banned for non-permit holders. A hidden restriction cannot create a valid contract. Add the failed app and CRA issues, and your appeal has a real chance of success. Even if it doesn't succeed, this is almost certainly never going to get to a hearing if they try to litigate it.
Title: Civil Enforcement Ltd. PCN - Payment not made / permit not obtained - 1 Devon Street, L38HA
Post by: KingJulien on June 15, 2025, 11:55:53 pm
Hello,

I recently received a civil enforcement notice (PCN) from Civil Enforcement for alleged parking violation / payment not made / made permit not obtained in accordance with notified terms.

The incident took place on 9th May 2025 at Liverpool. The fine was issued on the 16th of May and I received the notice to keeper by post last Friday on the 23rd of May.

I tried to make a payment on the app, and the amount was coming up as 0£, on the phone and pay app, but it wasn’t going through.

After receiving the fine, I went back to location and took the photo of the sign. My understanding of the signage was that the parking charges were in effect from 6 pm to 6am, and not outside these hours. However, I still received a fine from this location.

I have put in an appeal using the template on the moneysaving expert forum, and the appeal was rejected, but I have received a POPLA code on the 6th of June. I have not identified the driver on the appeal.

Is it worth appealing this ticket with the POPLA, or is it better to pay off the reduced 60£ rate, before the deadline?

It did not strike me that the parking outside these hours were not allowed from the sign initially when I parked at this location, but it seems to say on the fine print on a careful look.

I checked the location code on the phone and pay app again on a Friday during day time and I am attaching a screenshot showing the amount as 0, but unfortunately I do not have a screenshot from the day of alleged parking violation.

Never had a ticket before and unsure how to go about a POPLA appeal.

Thanks for the help!

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