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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: Foxy01 on June 15, 2025, 11:02:38 am

Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: Foxy01 on October 15, 2025, 04:43:11 pm
Well done!

Can you share with us the assessor's reasoning?

Decision: Successful

Assessor summary of operator case
The operator has issued the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) for not purchasing the appropriate parking time or by remaining at the car park for longer than permitted.

Assessor summary of your case
The appellant has provided a detailed account surrounding the parking event in question. For the purpose of my report, I have summarised the grounds raised into the points below. • Failure to meet provisions of POFA to transfer liability to the registered keeper. • Inadequate signage. • No evidence of landowner authority. The appellant has provided: 1. PDF document. After reviewing the operator’s evidence, the appellant has reiterated and expanded on their grounds of appeal. • The landowner agreement was signed the day before the PCN was issued and raises serious doubts about whether the operator had lawful authority to issue PCNs on the date in question. • There is no evidence that enforcement infrastructure was properly in place or that the contract was active and valid at the time of the alleged contravention. • The entrance signage fails to comply with the requirements of Section 3.4 of the Private Parking Code of Practice. If new restrictions were introduced, the operator was required to use temporary signage and prominent notices for at least four months. There is no indication that any such measures were taken. All of the above has been considered in making my determination.

Assessor supporting rational for decision
I am allowing this appeal and will detail my reasoning below: By issuing a PCN the parking operator has implied that the terms and conditions of the private land have not been met. When an appeal is brought to POPLA, the burden of proof begins with the parking operator to demonstrate the breach they claim has occurred. I must therefore assess the terms and conditions of the site, any relevant code of practice, or legislation to determine if the PCN has been issued correctly. In this case the operator has issued the PCN for not purchasing the appropriate parking time or by remaining at the car park for longer than permitted. In the appeal the appellant has raised concerns regarding the signage on site and the date of the landowner document. The landowner document was signed on 08 May 2025 however the contravention took place on 09 May 2025. The appellant has further explained there weren’t any signs demonstrating new terms apply and there isnt any evidence which demonstrates the terms were advertised on the date of the contravention. I have reviewed the case file provided by the parking operator, whilst I appreciate, they have provided images of the site, the images are not date stamped therefore I cannot be certain the signs were in place on the date of the contravention. The Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice (The Code) sets the standards its parking operators need to comply with. Section 3.4 of the Code says that when there is a material change to pre-existing terms of a car park, then additional temporary signs must be placed at the entrance to the car park for a period of no less than four months from the date of the change to make that clear. The parking operator has not provided any images which demonstrate they have advertised that there are new terms in place. I am unable to conclude that the operator has sufficiently complied with the requirements of the code. I must allow the appeal. I note the appellant has raised other issues as grounds for appeal, however, as I have decided to allow the appeal for the reason above, I did not feel they required further consideration.
Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: DWMB2 on October 15, 2025, 04:19:48 pm
Well done!

Can you share with us the assessor's reasoning?
Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: Foxy01 on October 15, 2025, 04:04:18 pm
POPLA appeal successful.
Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: b789 on September 16, 2025, 12:43:26 pm
That reply is a refusal to evidence anything. If this is still about the PCN being addressed to the company, not a named individual, and the same for the debt recovery letters, then your only recourse is to formally complain to the BPA and the DVLA.

If a director or individual was named, then you could sue under the DPA.
Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: Foxy01 on September 16, 2025, 07:29:46 am
/Response from CSPM to Data protection complaint – request for evidence and Article 19 confirmations. I amended some details as per DWMB2 suggestion and required date to 11/09. Below response received on 15/09/25.
 
"Dear Mr ****,

Thank you for your further correspondence of 28th August 2025. We note your position.

We maintain that the referral to Debt Recovery Plus (DRP) occurred prior to CSPM receiving notification of your POPLA appeal. As soon as we were notified, the case was immediately withdrawn and placed on hold. DRP was instructed to cease all activity and to remove your data from their systems. They have confirmed compliance with this instruction.

For clarity:

No further processing or disclosures will take place in respect of this matter pending POPLA’s outcome.

Internal controls have been reinforced to ensure that no further referrals occur while an appeal remains active.

We have considered the points you raise. While we do not accept that the disclosure amounted to unlawful processing, we are satisfied that the remedial steps taken have fully addressed the issue. Accordingly, we will not be providing the additional documentation you have requested at this stage.

Should you remain dissatisfied, you are of course entitled to escalate your concerns to the BPA or the Information Commissioner’s Office. We will cooperate with any enquiry they may undertake.

The case remains on hold pending POPLA’s determination.

Yours faithfully,
**** ****
For CSPM"

Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: DWMB2 on August 26, 2025, 01:35:09 pm
Don't forget that the keeper in this case is a limited company, not a person, so the data would not necessarily be 'personal data' for the purposes of relevant legislation, and references in the first person to 'I' and 'my' data might need changing.
Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: b789 on August 26, 2025, 01:02:16 pm
Respond to that email from CPSM with the following (also CC in yourself):

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Subject: Data protection complaint – request for evidence and Article 19 confirmations

Dear [Name],

Thank you for your email of 21 August 2025.

I acknowledge that you have recalled the matter from Debt Recovery Plus (DRP), placed the notice on hold pending POPLA, and say you have strengthened internal checks. For the avoidance of doubt, this remains a formal data protection complaint. Characterising the disclosure as an “administrative timing issue” does not cure the underlying unlawfulness where my personal data was disclosed for debt collection while appeal rights were active.

Please provide, by 9 September 2025, the following:

1. Audit trail (with timestamps):

a) Date/time my POPLA appeal was lodged;
b) Date/time CSPM issued/recorded the POPLA code;
c) Date/time CSPM first referred my data to DRP;
d) Date/time CSPM received POPLA notification;
e) Date/time CSPM instructed DRP to cease activity and erase data;
f) Date/time DRP confirmed cessation and erasure.

2. Article 19 UK GDPR notifications: Written confirmation (copies) that DRP has erased my data and ceased all processing, and that DRP has been instructed not to re-acquire it.

3. Lawful basis: The Article 6(1) lawful basis CSPM relied upon for disclosure to DRP while appeal rights were extant, together with your Legitimate Interests Assessment (if you rely on Article 6(1)(f)) and any relevant DPIA/ROPA entries covering third-party debt collection referrals.

4. Recipients: Confirmation of every third party (if any) beyond DRP to whom my data was disclosed in this matter.

5. Controls: A short description of the specific procedural change(s) implemented to prevent a recurrence (e.g. system holds, API checks, queue logic).

For clarity: I do not accept that this complaint is “closed”. I reserve all rights, including the right to seek compensation for distress pursuant to Article 82 UK GDPR and section 168 DPA 2018. If the above is not provided in full by 9 September 2025, I will escalate to the ICO and raise a standards complaint with the BPA.

Yours faithfully,

[Keeper’s name]

[Address]
[VRM / PCN ref.]
Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: Foxy01 on August 26, 2025, 08:45:18 am
Further response from CSPM

"Dear Mr *****,

Thank you for your email of 21 August 2025.

We confirm that the case relating to PCN """""" has been recalled from Debt Recovery Plus, and all collection activity has ceased. The notice is on hold pending the outcome of your POPLA appeal.

To clarify, the referral to DRP was actioned before we were notified that an appeal had been lodged with POPLA. Once notification was received, immediate steps were taken to withdraw the case and place it on hold. While this was an administrative timing issue, and not a deliberate or unlawful disclosure, we have nevertheless reviewed our procedures to ensure that no further referrals are made until appeal processes are fully exhausted.

For completeness:

DRP have been instructed to permanently remove your details from their systems.
No further disclosures will take place in relation to this matter.
Internal checks have been strengthened to prevent recurrence.
We trust this provides the necessary assurances and draws the matter to a close pending POPLA's determination.

Yours faithfully,

******

For CSPM"
Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: b789 on August 23, 2025, 04:09:10 pm
Use the following as your response to the operators evidence:

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The operator’s evidence contains multiple contradictions and procedural failures that undermine their claim.

First, the Notice to Keeper states it was issued under paragraph 8(2)(b) of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, which applies only if a Notice to Driver was issued. However, the operator’s evidence claims they are relying on paragraph 9, which applies when no Notice to Driver is served. These two provisions have different timeframes and requirements. The NtK was issued only 5 days after the alleged contravention, which is only valid under paragraph 9. By citing paragraph 8, the operator has invalidated their own legal basis for keeper liability.

Second, the signage photos provided do not show readable terms and conditions. Several images appear to be taken offsite or in locations not shown on the site plan. If the signs are not present where claimed or cannot be read, then no contract can be formed. The operator’s assertion that signage meets required standards is not supported by the evidence.

Third, the landowner agreement was signed the day before the PCN was issued. This raises serious doubts about whether the operator had lawful authority to issue PCNs on the date in question. There is no evidence that enforcement infrastructure was properly in place or that the contract was active and valid at the time of the alleged contravention.

Finally, the entrance signage fails to comply with the requirements of Section 3.4 of the Private Parking Code of Practice. If new restrictions were introduced, the operator was required to use temporary signage and prominent notices for at least four months. There is no indication that any such measures were taken.

In summary, the operator’s evidence is internally inconsistent, procedurally flawed, and fails to demonstrate compliance with POFA, BPA, and signage standards. Keeper liability cannot be established, and no enforceable contract was formed.
Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: Foxy01 on August 23, 2025, 09:33:25 am
POPLA operator response received.

POPLA operator response (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QIiTMrEl5rU-VJJhDkLbNn-x8OGDmngE/view?usp=sharing)

A few things I've noted at First glance:

They have not mentioned POFA section 8 but instead say they are relying on 9(2) even though there NTK says it is issued under section 8.

There are pictures of signs which are not onsite and are not shown on the site plan.

The landowner contract was purportedly signed the day before the PCN was issued.

Despite their assertion that all their signage meets the required standards, the T&C's cannot be read in any of the photographs provided including the pictures not taken in the car park.

 
Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: Foxy01 on August 21, 2025, 07:42:13 pm
Response from POPLA regarding the DRP letter:

Good morning,

Thank you for your email.

As the letter was sent before you set the appeal up on 2nd August at 19:12, POPLA would not contact the operator regarding this.  

If you receive any letters after the date that you submitted the appeal, please get back in contact regarding this with a copy of the letter.

Kind regards, 

*****

Appeal Assessor




Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: Foxy01 on August 19, 2025, 04:43:22 pm
I wonder if a broader point might be better here, around a concern that this might be routine practice from CSPM, which would lead to breaches in the high number of cases where the keeper is a person.
This was my thinking. That they 'automatically' hand over to DRP as a lever.
Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: DWMB2 on August 19, 2025, 03:53:28 pm
The points around UK GDPR in the revised complaint are potentially a slight reach, for the reasons you already identified... If company data is not 'personal data', then UK GDPR doesn't place any obligations on CSPM in their handling of it. I wonder if a broader point might be better here, around a concern that this might be routine practice from CSPM, which would lead to breaches in the high number of cases where the keeper is a person.
Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: b789 on August 19, 2025, 03:44:58 pm
Good question — the answer is... not fully. My bad.

• UK GDPR & DPA 2018 protect personal data – i.e. data relating to an identified or identifiable natural person (“data subject”).
• A company (Ltd, LLP, etc.) is not a natural person, so strictly speaking a registered keeper that is a company cannot claim rights as a “data subject.”

Therefore, the company itself cannot claim compensation for “distress and anxiety” because those are harms recognised only for individuals. But the ICO can still investigate, because the operator has misused DVLA keeper data, and the DVLA supply chain is supposed to ensure compliance.

The ICO often gets involved when companies (e.g. fleet operators, leasing firms) have data processed improperly. If the company has named an individual (e.g. an employee, hirer, or director) and their details were passed on and used by the debt collector, that individual could potentially bring a distress claim.

So the practical position is:

• The complaint to ICO and BPA still stands, because CSPM processed data beyond the limits of the KADOE contract and PPSCoP, which are enforceable regardless of whether the keeper is a company or individual.
• What falls away is the distress damages claim under Art 82 UK GDPR / s.168 DPA 2018, since a company doesn’t suffer personal distress. A company might instead argue financial loss or reputational harm if they wanted to go down the damages route (but that’s harder to evidence in a parking context).

If you want to throw the book at CSPM as a company keeper, the angle should be:

• Breach of PPSCoP 11.3 (referral to debt collector while appeal live).
• Breach of the DVLA KADOE contract (data only to be used for pursuing PCNs in accordance with law and Code of Practice).
• Misuse of company data under UK GDPR — framed not as distress, but as unlawful disclosure and processing without lawful basis.

Here is a revised response that drops the “distress” argument (since a company cannot suffer it), hits them with GDPR, DPA 2018, PPSCoP, KADOE and puts them on clear notice that you’ll escalate to BPA and ICO:

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Formal Notice – Unlawful Disclosure of Keeper Data

Dear CSPM,

I refer to your recent admission that you disclosed the registered keeper’s data to Debt Recovery Plus (DRP) before my POPLA appeal had been determined.

This disclosure was wholly improper. At the time, the charge was on hold pending appeal. Passing keeper data to a third-party debt collector in these circumstances is a serious breach of your obligations under:

UK GDPR, Article 5(1)(a) and (c): Processing must be lawful, fair, transparent, and limited to what is necessary. • Disclosure to DRP at the appeal stage was neither lawful nor necessary.
Data Protection Act 2018: You have processed the registered keeper’s data outside any lawful basis.
Private Parking Single Code of Practice (v1.1, 17 February 2025, Section 11.3): This expressly prohibits escalation to debt recovery while appeal rights remain active.
The DVLA KADOE Contract: Keeper data is provided strictly for the purpose of pursuing PCNs in compliance with the law and applicable Codes of Practice. Your conduct is a clear breach of those terms.

Your suggestion that this was done before you were “notified” of the POPLA appeal does not excuse the unlawful disclosure. You had no lawful basis to instruct DRP before the appeal process had been fully exhausted, nor to treat the keeper’s data as an asset to be passed around.

You are now formally on notice that:

1. The registered keeper regards this as a breach of data protection law, PPSCoP, and the KADOE contract.
2. You are required to confirm within 14 days:

• That the keeper’s data has been recalled from DRP and permanently erased by them.
• That no further unauthorised disclosures will occur.
• What steps you have taken to review and correct your internal processes to prevent recurrence.

3. Your response will be relied upon when this matter is escalated to the BPA and the Information Commissioner’s Office.

This is a serious complaint. Your misuse of keeper data will not be ignored, and any further breaches will aggravate the consequences you face with both your Accredited Operator Scheme and the ICO.

Yours faithfully,

[Company Name]
Registered Keeper
Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: Foxy01 on August 19, 2025, 08:06:31 am
I suggest you respond to CPSM with the following:

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Subject: Formal Notice – Misuse of Personal Data and GDPR Breach

Dear CSPM,

I write further to your recent correspondence in which you admitted that my personal data was passed to Debt Recovery Plus before my POPLA appeal had been determined.

By disclosing my data to a third-party debt collector at a time when the charge was formally on hold, you have committed a serious breach of the UK GDPR and the Data Protection Act 2018.

There was no lawful purpose for this disclosure. Article 5(1)(a) UK GDPR requires lawfulness, fairness and transparency in all processing. Passing my data to DRP while appeal rights remained active fails all three.

Article 5(1)(c) UK GDPR requires that data be processed only to the extent necessary. At the appeal stage, no debt exists and no collection activity is permissible under the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (v1.1, 17 February 2025, Section 11.3). This renders your disclosure unlawful and unnecessary.

As a direct result, I received threatening and misleading debt letters which caused unnecessary distress and anxiety. Non-material damage of this type is explicitly recognised as compensable under Article 82 UK GDPR and Section 168 DPA 2018.

You are now formally on notice that:

• You have breached your statutory data protection obligations by unlawfully sharing my data with a third party.
• I will rely upon the Data Protection Act 2018 in holding you accountable. I reserve all rights, including the right to issue proceedings for compensation for the distress and harm caused.

I require your immediate confirmation that:

• My data has been recalled from DRP and permanently erased by them.
• No further unauthorised processing will take place.
• You have reviewed and corrected your internal processes to prevent this unlawful practice from recurring.

Unless I receive a satisfactory written response within 14 days, I will escalate this to the BPA and the Information Commissioner’s Office.

You should treat this as a serious complaint. Your misuse of my data will not be ignored, and any repetition will significantly aggravate the damages I will seek.

Yours faithfully,

[Keeper’s Name]

Does this apply fully, as the registered keeper is a company?
Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: b789 on August 18, 2025, 06:39:57 pm
I suggest you respond to CPSM with the following:

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Subject: Formal Notice – Misuse of Personal Data and GDPR Breach

Dear CSPM,

I write further to your recent correspondence in which you admitted that my personal data was passed to Debt Recovery Plus before my POPLA appeal had been determined.

By disclosing my data to a third-party debt collector at a time when the charge was formally on hold, you have committed a serious breach of the UK GDPR and the Data Protection Act 2018.

There was no lawful purpose for this disclosure. Article 5(1)(a) UK GDPR requires lawfulness, fairness and transparency in all processing. Passing my data to DRP while appeal rights remained active fails all three.

Article 5(1)(c) UK GDPR requires that data be processed only to the extent necessary. At the appeal stage, no debt exists and no collection activity is permissible under the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (v1.1, 17 February 2025, Section 11.3). This renders your disclosure unlawful and unnecessary.

As a direct result, I received threatening and misleading debt letters which caused unnecessary distress and anxiety. Non-material damage of this type is explicitly recognised as compensable under Article 82 UK GDPR and Section 168 DPA 2018.

You are now formally on notice that:

• You have breached your statutory data protection obligations by unlawfully sharing my data with a third party.
• I will rely upon the Data Protection Act 2018 in holding you accountable. I reserve all rights, including the right to issue proceedings for compensation for the distress and harm caused.

I require your immediate confirmation that:

• My data has been recalled from DRP and permanently erased by them.
• No further unauthorised processing will take place.
• You have reviewed and corrected your internal processes to prevent this unlawful practice from recurring.

Unless I receive a satisfactory written response within 14 days, I will escalate this to the BPA and the Information Commissioner’s Office.

You should treat this as a serious complaint. Your misuse of my data will not be ignored, and any repetition will significantly aggravate the damages I will seek.

Yours faithfully,

[Keeper’s Name]
Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: Foxy01 on August 18, 2025, 06:10:01 pm
Email response from CSPM:

"Thank you for your email.  We note your comments.  We can advise that the matter was passed over to Debt Recovery Plus prior to notification that you were appealing to POPLA.  We have already recalled the notice back from DRP whilst the appeal is being reviewed by POPLA.  The notice has been placed on hold pending determination of the POPLA appeal."

I'm minded to reply asking if they routinely submit notices to Debt collection prior to the expiry of all avenues of appeal?

The DRP notice proudly exclaims that 4 out of 5 people pay after the first letter!
Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: DWMB2 on August 15, 2025, 04:05:08 pm
If the BPA fob you off back to the operator, then just complain again after the operator responds to your complaint.
Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: b789 on August 15, 2025, 03:48:03 pm
Doesn't hurt to notify them that you are making a complaint and detail it.
Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: Foxy01 on August 15, 2025, 02:58:22 pm
I have sent a complaint to CSPM and also sent details to POPLA. The BPA website says not to complain until all complaints with the operator are exhausted?
Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: b789 on August 15, 2025, 01:57:03 pm
That’s a breach of the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) and POPLA’s own requirements.

Under PPSCoP v1.1 (17 Feb 2025), Section 11.3 – Escalation of Charges, operators must not instruct a debt recovery agent while an appeal is still in progress. This includes the POPLA stage. Issuing a DRP letter dated 01/08/25 before POPLA has even ruled is a clear breach.

POPLA’s process also states that once an appeal code has been issued, the parking charge is placed on hold until POPLA has reached a decision. Any debt collection activity in this period is improper because it misleads the motorist into thinking the appeal is irrelevant and that further enforcement is inevitable.

I suggest you:

• Send a formal complaint to the operator – reference the POPLA appeal number, the DRP letter, and cite PPSCoP 11.3. Demand written confirmation that the charge has been returned from DRP and all collection activity suspended until POPLA decides.
• Send a copy to POPLA – notify them that the operator is in breach of their obligations during the appeal process.
• Send a copy to the BPA – as the relevant Accredited Operator Scheme, with a complaint that the operator has failed to follow the PPSCoP and is undermining the appeals process.
Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: Foxy01 on August 15, 2025, 11:49:46 am
Company has today received a debt recovery letter from DRP. This is dated 01/08/25 prior to the expiry of the appeal period to POPLA.
Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: b789 on August 02, 2025, 08:20:00 pm
Should be OK on point 1 only. As long as the assessor understands that they are relying on paragraph 8 of PoFA but have not complied with the requirements as they have issued the NtK too early.

When they send their operator evidence, come back and host it on Google Drive (suitably redacted of your personal info) and make it 'public' and we can see how to respond to that. You will only have 7 days to respond to the operators evidence, so you will need to find time to show it to us.
Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: Foxy01 on August 02, 2025, 08:03:16 pm
Due to work commitments I left it too late. Attached is what I put in the POPLA appeal. I appreciate the help offered on here.

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Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: b789 on August 02, 2025, 07:29:29 pm
You were supposed to show us what you intended to send to POPLA before actually sending it so that we could advise further.

What exactly did you put in your POPLA appeal?
Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: Foxy01 on August 02, 2025, 07:14:44 pm
Don't rush it as you have until 2nd August to submit your POPLA appeal.
Submitted today. Will update when I get a response.
Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: Foxy01 on August 01, 2025, 04:08:21 pm
Signage onsite:


Entrance:


(https://i.imgur.com/zxdCZ4V.jpeg)

Location of terms and conditions:

(https://i.imgur.com/GagfI5O.jpeg)

Terms and conditions:

(https://i.imgur.com/ehMqHTO.jpeg)

Terms and conditions:

(https://i.imgur.com/SnJqcvh.jpeg)



Entrance signage has no Ringo location on it. The terms and condition are high up ad too small to read. Non of the signs are illuminated and the car park is naturally dark due to being on the North side of a railway viaduct.
Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: DWMB2 on July 31, 2025, 10:58:08 am
You could try to cover both possibilities, explaining how either scenario would mean a lack of PoFA compliance. You can state that when the driver returned to the vehicle no NtD was affixed to the windscreen, but then the NtK refers to paragraph 8 of PoFA, applicable only in cases where an NtD has been issued. There are therefore two feasible scenarios:


By covering all possibilities and explaining how either one undermines their case, you potentially make it more difficult for CSPM to try and explain away to the assessor.
Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: Foxy01 on July 31, 2025, 10:41:18 am
Should the POPLA appeal reference the early issue of the NTK (despite there being no NTD) and allow the operator to say that they didn't issue a NTD or should the lack of an NTD be raised in the appeal?
I will upload the pictures of signage later. Suffice to say difficult to read and no illumination in the car park.
Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: b789 on July 01, 2025, 10:41:59 am
Don't rush it as you have until 2nd August to submit your POPLA appeal.
Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: Foxy01 on July 01, 2025, 10:28:23 am
Rejection received today. Will now start a POPLA appeal. I will post a draft on here before sending.

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Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: Foxy01 on June 16, 2025, 12:24:47 pm
Notice dated 14/05. Deemed delivered 16/05 (however not received until 10/06), appeal sent by email today 16/06.
Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: b789 on June 16, 2025, 09:29:06 am
How late has the appeal been sent? They may say 28 days from the date of issue. However, the PPSCoP actually says 28 days from receipt, which under the Interpretation Act 1978 and their own CoP, that would be two working days after the date the notice was posted.
Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: Foxy01 on June 16, 2025, 09:14:25 am
Thank you, I will get some up to date pictures of signage. Appeal submitted (albeit out of time according to CSPM's terms).
Title: Re: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: b789 on June 15, 2025, 12:52:39 pm
GSV is useless as the images are over 6 years old. What do the signs say now?

The question has to be asked... if the driver was unable to make payment, for whatever reason, why did they remain on site? You have to look at the legal points that will be raised should this ever escalate to litigation. A judge is likely to consider whether the driver had the option to leave. If they did, but chose to stay despite being unable to pay, the judge may find that the driver accepted the terms of parking by conduct. In other words, even if the payment system was not working, the driver still made a choice to remain, and that may be enough in the court's view to form a contract. That is the risk.

However, the counterargument is that no contract can be formed if the terms could not be accepted. If the operator failed to provide a working means of payment, then it was impossible for the driver to comply with the core term of the contract. That raises the possibility of a frustrated contract or that no valid agreement was formed at all. It would then fall on the operator to prove that the driver had a reasonable opportunity to accept the terms and pay, but chose not to.

So the key issue a court would need to consider is whether the driver had the ability to accept the contract but didn’t, or whether the operator’s system failed and made acceptance impossible. This distinction is crucial to determining liability.

Another point is that the operator has explicitly chosen to rely on paragraph 8 of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, as quoted in the Notice to Keeper (NtK). Paragraph 8 applies only where a Notice to Driver (NtD) has been served under paragraph 7. In that case, the operator is prohibited from issuing an NtK before 28 days have elapsed from the date of the alleged contravention.

This NtK is dated just five days after the parking event. Therefore, if an NtD was served, then this Notice to Keeper has been issued too early and is not compliant with the requirements of paragraph 8. As such, the operator cannot rely on PoFA to hold the registered keeper liable.

If no Notice to Driver was served, then paragraph 8 does not apply and the operator has cited the wrong statutory provision. Either way, the operator has failed to comply with the conditions of Schedule 4 and keeper liability does not apply.

For now, you only appeal as the Keeper of the vehicle. Do not point out the actual PoFA failure. Just use the following for the appeal, which will be rejected but you will then be able to ambush them at POPLA with the actual failure:

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We are the Registered Keeper of the vehicle and we dispute your 'parking charge'. We deny any liability or contractual agreement and we will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the Keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. CSPM has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

A company Keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. CSPM have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
Title: CSPM Merrywalks park GL5 (Onsite without a valid parking session)
Post by: Foxy01 on June 15, 2025, 11:02:38 am
NTK received by LTD company. Vehicle registered to the company. Driver says that signage said to use an APP to pay for parking but at each attempt there was a message saying location not recognised.
The notice is dated 14/05 as was the envelope but arrived at the LTD company address on 10/06.
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