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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: bwolf9999 on June 09, 2025, 08:05:37 pm
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What would be your next step HC Anderson ?
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Forget those avenues for the moment, to whom did you address your COMPLAINT against TfL. This is about their administration policies at present.
https://tfl.gov.uk/help-and-contact/taking-your-complaint-further
Just take this one step at a time.
Sorry for the delay, have been away for a few days.
My letter was addressed to -
Customer service manager
TFL
Red routes
PO BOX 335
Darlington
DL1 9PU
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Forget those avenues for the moment, to whom did you address your COMPLAINT against TfL. This is about their administration policies at present.
https://tfl.gov.uk/help-and-contact/taking-your-complaint-further
Just take this one step at a time.
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Your case discloses a compelling basis for restitutionary relief grounded in statutory irregularity and procedural abuse under the civil enforcement framework. While you have discharged the underlying balance of £560 following enforcement by CDER Group, that payment was extracted in circumstances which, on your account, render the process invalid under both Schedule 12 of the Tribunals, Courts and Enforcement Act 2007 and the Taking Control of Goods Regulations 2013.
Let me set out the legal position with clarity. The Notice of Enforcement issued to you by CDER Group bears the date 2 June 2025, with a demand for payment by 6:00am on 9 June 2025. This fails, on its face, to satisfy the mandatory requirement of Regulation 7(1) of the 2013 Regulations, which provides that a notice of enforcement must afford the debtor not less than seven clear days before enforcement action may be taken. Clear days exclude the day of service and the day of compliance, and further disregard Sundays and bank holidays. Even under a generous construction, the notice period in your case was non-compliant, thereby vitiating the enforcement process from the outset.
Moreover, you have reported that CDER’s enforcement agent, during a visit to your property, displayed on a mobile device an extended account history purporting to show a series of letters, emails, and possibly a prior visit, none of which you ever received. This log, crucial to justifying the escalation of fees, has not been disclosed to you despite multiple requests. Instead, CDER have provided what appear to be truncated or redacted records omitting the very entries shown to you at the door. The failure to furnish a complete and accurate record of enforcement activity engages both Regulation 24 of the 2013 Regulations and the common law principles of good faith and transparency in enforcement.
A further difficulty arises in relation to service of notices and address verification. You have evidence that both the Traffic Enforcement Centre and Transport for London were corresponding with you at your correct address as early as February 2025, yet CDER did not update their records until May 2025. This raises significant questions as to whether key statutory notices—including the Notice of Enforcement—were lawfully served or otherwise came to your attention within the prescribed timeframes. These defects are not academic. The enforcement fees levied—£75 at compliance stage and £235 at enforcement visit—are strictly contingent upon procedural compliance. Where there is material non-compliance, those fees cannot lawfully be charged.
Having now paid the sum in full, your remedy lies not in resisting enforcement but in challenging the lawfulness of the process and seeking restitution of fees unlawfully demanded. The legal basis for recovery would be a claim in restitution for money had and received, supported by the principle that money paid under compulsion or mistake of law is recoverable where no legal obligation to pay existed. This is well established in authority, including Woolwich Equitable Building Society v IRC [1993] AC 70 and, more recently in the enforcement context, Burton v Ministry of Justice [2024] EWCA Civ 681.
Transport for London, as the principal, remains vicariously liable for the acts of its agents. It cannot disown responsibility merely by referring 'complaints' to CDER Group. The standard response you received from TfL, dated 14 July 2025, fails entirely to engage with the statutory breach you have identified and reflects either a lack of understanding or an abdication of legal oversight.
In these circumstances, I would advise you to pursue the following course:
First, submit a formal pre-action disclosure request under CPR 31.17 to CDER Group. This is procedurally superior to a subject access request. A request under CPR 31.17 entitles you to obtain, prior to litigation, specific documents held by a third party (in this case, CDER Group) where it is likely those documents are relevant to anticipated proceedings and where disclosure is necessary to fairly dispose of the claim or save costs. Unlike a subject access request under the UK GDPR, which provides only for personal data (often in redacted or summarised form), CPR 31.17 enables you to demand unredacted original records, including audit logs, email dispatch reports, correspondence files, and internal system entries used to justify enforcement action. These documents will be central to the merits of any future claim for restitution.
Secondly, send a renewed formal complaint to Transport for London, expressly relying on the defective notice period and the absence of proper service. That complaint should be addressed to the legal or enforcement oversight department and demand repayment of the compliance and enforcement fees (£310). Your letter must make clear that the PCN itself is not in dispute; rather, it is the subsequent enforcement which is impugned. You may, if appropriate, enclose a draft Particulars of Claim to demonstrate the seriousness of your intention to litigate.
Thirdly, if neither CDER nor TfL respond adequately within 14 days, you may issue a Part 7 claim in the County Court for restitution of the £310. Your cause of action would be for money had and received on the grounds that the enforcement was unlawful, the fees were improperly levied, and the payment was made under compulsion. The claim would be suitable for the small claims track and should be supported by a concise witness statement and copy documents including the Notice of Enforcement, correspondence, and your CPR 31.17 request.
You may, in the alternative, consider an application under CPR 84.16 for detailed assessment of the enforcement fees, although this is more commonly deployed at an earlier stage and may involve technical argument as to timing.
In conclusion, your legal position is strong. The enforcement action taken against you was arguably void for failure to comply with mandatory notice provisions. You have a clear statutory and equitable basis to seek repayment of fees improperly extracted. I would be pleased to assist in the preparation of your CPR 31.17 request, and, if necessary, TFL particulars of claim.
Should you proceed promptly and with precision, I am confident the matter can be resolved without the need for protracted litigation.
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Forget the penalty charge element, IMO.
The enforcement fees come to £310; the court registration fee is £10; and the penalty is £240. Total £560.
You've already made two attempts to get TEC to cancel the OfR and CC without success(or it would seem any hope of success). But if you want to chance your arm and try and get the whole £560 refunded based upon CDER's misapplication of mandatory enforcement procedures.....!
Hi mate
So...
This is the reply I got to my letter, what are your thoughts ? I used the exact template you gave me.
Cheers
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Forget the penalty charge element, IMO.
The enforcement fees come to £310; the court registration fee is £10; and the penalty is £240. Total £560.
You've already made two attempts to get TEC to cancel the OfR and CC without success(or it would seem any hope of success). But if you want to chance your arm and try and get the whole £560 refunded based upon CDER's misapplication of mandatory enforcement procedures.....!
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Ok, thank you, awesome.
And it was £560 in the end :(
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Thanks for the reminder.
As you've paid, then pl stop corresponding direct with CDER, it's a waste of time. They are the authority's agents, so complain to them.
If you don't want to use BAO, then use TfL's complaints procedure.
Unlawful Demand for Money - CDER on behalf of Transport for London
This complaint relates to the authority's enforcement agents CDER in respect of Penalty Charge Notice ********. I would stress that I am not complaining about the penalty itself but the subsequent enforcement procedures engaged by the agent to recover the debt. Specifically, their failure to comply with the mandatory requirements of Schedule 12(your finance dept. officers will know the chapter and verse of these) in that a Notice of Enforcement was issued which did not give me 7 'clear days' notice. The evidence in this regard is objective and enclosed i.e. a NoE dated 2 June with a latest date for payment of 9 June. As only 7 days in total were given, then it is axiomatic that these could not be 'clear days' because Sundays are excluded. For information, the NoE was not received until 6 June, but this is secondary.
I have paid your agent in order to prevent further action and the remedy I require is that the council refund the Compliance and Enforcement fees (£75 and £235 respectively) and that a lawful NoE is issued.
Please do not pass this to your enforcement authority staff who either do not know the requirements and/or fail to maintain adequate oversight of TfL's agents' actions. This should be referred to suitably experienced finance or legal staff.
My payment details are as follows:
**********
Encl: copy of NoE dated 2 June 2025
I cannot find on online or email Complaints portal, perhaps others know.
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Hi mate
Sorry, its been a few days and you have understandably forgotten my case .
This is the one where I have paid as the agent turnt up at my door the morning after CDER emailed saying they couldnt arrange a payment plan over email. I paid as I had no choice really
While taking the payment the agent said I could try and claim the money back as he showed me a long list of 'activity' on my account that i know did not happen, letters , emails etc.
So, I want to claim it back somehow as I think they are pulling a fast one , they didnt send me any emails or letters, just the one NOE. And now after 2 requests for that activity they keep sending edited versions with no mention of letters or emails
Sorry the email conversation you requested didnt upload first time , attached now
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I don't know where you're going with this.
You can continue to correspond with them and place your car at risk - if on the highway or at the premises specified on the warrant. If you're happy to do this then write to the council, after all the enforcement agent is THEIR agent. You have the hard evidence in the form of the NoE which does not offer 7 clear days and you could argue that it and any subsequent fees are therefore invalid.
I suggest you get BAO on this for you.
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Hi HC Anderson
Sorry for the delay.
I have attached the notice of enforcement and the email conversation here, as I say , the enforcement agent was here the next morning after this email.
As an aside, after requesting the account history like the enforcement agent advised where he showed me on his phone a long list of apparent emails and letters that I did not receive, they have twice now sent me what look like edited activity lists with only visits listed, the agent clearly showed me a list of emails and letters, I have emailed them again saying the agents list of activity was much longer and asked them again to provide it.
Cheers
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Pl stop mixing the procedures.
TEC have nothing to do with the PCN as such, for our purposes they simply authorise the use of Schedule 12 action to issue a warrant.
You were shown the warrant. Did it have your correct details i.e. your name and address which is where it was being executed?
Where is your email dealing with the 'payment plan'?
Pl consolidate and repost:
The Notice of Enforcement;
Your email response(as above);
Their response.
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Morning
Here is the email, the agent arrived the next morning at 7am.
He did show me the warrant.
He also showed me a long list of account activity that never happened as far as I know, it had a list of emails that I didnt ever receive, letters I didn't receive and another visit, it also showed they only updated my address in May so any letters were going to my previous address, I have letters from the traffic enforcement agency etc from February/ March to my current address so I am wondering if I have a case as they didnt update their records meaning I didnt get any of their previous correspondence
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Wait for BAO, but you are involved in 2 separate but liked procedures:
As regards enforcement of warrants etc.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2007/15/schedule/12
As regards enforcement of penalty charges:
https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/understanding-enforcement-process/moving-traffic-pcn-enforcement-process
Can we just deal with the enforcement agent's actions, yours in response and the outcome.
On *** you received by post/by hand (whichever) a Notice of Enforcement dated ***. In response you 'emailed them to arrange a plan and they didnt come back to me until a few hours before he arrived'...by virtue of which the debt was increased by £235.
We need to see this email. Did you ask to see the warrant/was it produced(whether you asked for it or not)?
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Thanks, yes I emailed them to arrange a plan and they didnt come back to me until a few hours before he arrived, the timescales they give are pretty ludicrous
I am not really questioning the validity of the pcn anymore but the fact that cder were writing to me and visiting me at the wrong address , clearly tfl had not told them, is pe2 and pe3 only to challenge the actual pcn? Is there no way of trying to get money back ? Not sure why the enforecement agent is telling me to bother then, but they had a long list of apparent contact via email, post and visits which did not happen
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He said I should fill out forms pe2 and pe3 and he seemed to think I might get most of it back if I do it correctly
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Please read BailiffAdviceOnline's post, reply #15.
According to their thorough research, you've already submitted an OOT application which was rejected on 9 April(hardly surprising given that you'd submitted an earlier stat dec which had also been refused).
Given that you're out of time to request a review by a District Judge, minimum cost £££££, then IMO you've nowhere to go. Hindsight's wonderful, but had you paid at the compliance fee stage then £325 would have remained £325.
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Hi all, so this escalated quickly !
Thanks for all the help so far but I really messed up this one.
I found an email address and emailed cder on the 11th after taking all of your advice asking them for a payment plan.
On the 16th at 4pm they replied saying they couldnt do that over email and gave me the number of the enforcement agent to call and ask.
On the morning of the 17th at 7am I had a knock at the door from said enforcement agent, Ive never had anything like this before and was mortified, he was expecting trouble and had his back up from the off, my natural instinct was to kick off but with kids inside and windows twitching I just wanted him gone.
To my horror it had now grown to £560 !!! Jesus christ, to get one letter on the 6th asking for payment within 3 days of £325, to £560 11 later blows my mind.
He turned out to not be a bad bloke I paid him, he showed me a long list of history of my account on his phone and it was total and utter boll..s, it had emails on there that I never received , letters I never received, even a previous visit, and it stated my address was only updated in May on their records, it was updated a long long time before that as the traffic enforcement centre were writing to me at the correct address months before that.
He said I should fill out forms pe2 and pe3 and he seemed to think I might get most of it back if I do it correctly, he said (once his camera was off) to use words like mental health and depresion. I dont know about that but honesty this letter on the 6th was the first time I had heard from cder so am wondering if i may have a case ?
Incidentally their email with payment receipt went straight to junk.
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Sorry for all the messages ! Lol
I just registered for a cder account in the hope i could email and offer a payment plan , on my file it says that a bailiff visited my house on the 24th April ! that doesent seem right does it?
I really dont want to speak with these people on the phone, does anyone know if i email a central email and offer a plan, will it get through to the right department?
Thanks again
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Cant even email them, have to call some bloke on his mobile, what a pain in the arse
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Jeez, what a racket
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Cheers guys, I read that they can put a record of the plan on my credit file, but I should have just come here, very helpful, cheers.
They couldnt take a 10k car (for instance) for £325 could they? Surely not..
If you enter into a separate private agreement with a creditor then that's different but I don't know how bailiff companies operate such agreements.
An expensive car is likely to be clamped not removed. Or removed and racking up storage fees but not sold.
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Cheers guys, I read that they can put a record of the plan on my credit file, but I should have just come here, very helpful, cheers.
They couldnt take a 10k car (for instance) for £325 could they? Surely not..
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Yes, it is not a personal judgement against you like a CCJ. The only recourse for the bailiff is to take your goods, and they usually go for cars (councils can I think go for property/wage garnishment in extreme cases). I doubt they'll accept a payment plan given that most of the money is owed to TFL.
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If I agree a payment plan it wont go on my credit file, so yeah if that is the case I will just approach them for a payment plan, cheers
Just to be clear, a PCN issued by any one of the hundreds of local authorities in the UK & Wales will not result in a CCJ and a motorists credit file is not in any way affected.
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Thanks for all the advice guys, seems there is no get out with the 7 clear days issue, if I agree a payment plan it wont go on my credit file, so yeah if that is the case I will just approach them for a payment plan, cheers
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Nothing will go on your credit file.
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The bailiff doesn't have to be informed if you do apply for an N244 review. Of course, you can always inform them.
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If you succeed in making a part payment to the Council, it won't help. There are rules as to how part payments are divvied up between the Council and the bailiff. The bailiff can still enforce to recover any outstanding balance.
@Bailiff Advice
Post #6 above includes the Notice of Enforcement. The NoE is dated Monday the 2nd June. And the deadline is 06:00am on Monday the 9th June.
The OP says the NoE arrived on Friday the 6th. Even assuming it was hand delivered, which it wasn't, on the 2nd June there is not seven clear days notice. So this is an invalid defective notice.
What if anything can be done about the defective notice?
Not that a defective notice will prevent CDER from trying to collect.
Oh so a payment arrangement with the bailif wont go on my credit file? I read it would , if that is the case then yeah I suppose I should just get on with it
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Unfortunately, the Notice of Enforcement from CDER Group does NOT afford you the statutory 7 'Clear Days'.
A bailiff must send a Notice of Enforcement to the debtor seven clear days before taking control of goods (visiting to take goods). ‘Clear days’ do not include the date of issue, (in your case; June 2nd), the date of receipt, Sundays or bank holidays.
PS: There was a Consultation on bailiff enforcement last year and the government sought views on the number of days that must be provided on the NoE. MOJ have now confirmed that legislation will shortly be amended which will provide (amongst other points) that the 7 'clear days' will be changed to 14 'clear days'.
Bailiff Advice Online (https://bailiffadviceonline.co.uk/)
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Having now checked the TfL website for this PCN, there appears to be a lot of background information.
The PCN was issued on 5th June and you made representation on 7th June. The appeal was rejected on 25th June and the discount period reset.
Following the Charge Certificate being issued, you appear to have made a further appeal on 31st July and an email was sent to you as confirmation.
On 16th August, further appeal was issued and PCN placed once again 'on hold'.
Warrant issued on 18th November and on 31st December a Stat Dec was made and refused on 14th January.
Further representation was made on 19th February.
On 20th March a further OOT Stat Dec was submitted. That application was refused on 9th April.
Given the history as outlined, I would not give the chances of an N244 Application (to seek a review of the rejection) being accepted.
Bailiff Advice Online
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OP, I can't follow your timeline.
The story is I got a ticket for stopping (about 5 seconds ) in a yellow box, I appealed the fine as honestly my car was always moving.
I did not recieve the rejection, honest to god I did not recieve it, the only reason I knew it has been rejected was because I looked online a few months later and then checked junk mail, by this time it had doubled.
I wrote emails and they were ignored explaining, I sent a stat dec and they werent interested, most recently I wrote to the traffic enforcement centre explaining the situation
So you knew about this at the £250 stage i.e. before an Order for Recovery had been issued, and yet you don't seem to have received, and certainly not actioned, the OfR in time.
Something's not adding up. You cannot have written 'emails and they were ignored explaining, I sent a stat dec and they weren't interested, most recently I wrote to the traffic enforcement centre explaining the situation' since Friday 6 June.
Also, the NoE states that the warrant was issued on 18 November 2024.
IMO, we definitely don't have the full picture.
Neither does the OP have time.
IMO, pay the sum demanded now, by payment agreement or whatever, and then argue the toss about the marginal £75 Compliance Fee.
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Nothing will go on your credit file.
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The bailiff doesn't have to be informed if you do apply for an N244 review. Of course, you can always inform them.
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If you succeed in making a part payment to the Council, it won't help. There are rules as to how part payments are divvied up between the Council and the bailiff. The bailiff can still enforce to recover any outstanding balance.
@Bailiff Advice
Post #6 above includes the Notice of Enforcement. The NoE is dated Monday the 2nd June. And the deadline is 06:00am on Monday the 9th June.
The OP says the NoE arrived on Friday the 6th. Even assuming it was hand delivered, which it wasn't, on the 2nd June there is not seven clear days notice. So this is an invalid defective notice.
What if anything can be done about the defective notice?
Not that a defective notice will prevent CDER from trying to collect.
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Please post up the Notice of Enforcement from CDER. Only redact your name & address, please leave everything else visible.
The Notice should have given you seven clear days to pay. Sundays and bank holidays are not clear days.
If you didn't receive the original PCN how did you know there was a PCN to challenge?
And contact Bailiff Advice Online (https://bailiffadviceonline.co.uk/) as advised by @Incandescent above.
Hi, What can I do? as it wasnt 7 clear days from what I can see ..
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Paying £150 to CDER Group without contacting them first to enquire whether a payment arrangement could be set up will NOT avoid a personal visit being made and with it, an enforcement fee of £235 being added to the debt.
When calling them, it would be a good idea to mention that you no longer have the vehicle. That may sway them into accepting a payment arrangement.
PS: If the operator is willing to accept a payment arrangement, please do NOT offer to pay more than you can comfortably afford. They will expect an immediate first payment from you today.
My understanding is that will go on my credit file , is that correct ?
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Paying £150 to CDER Group without contacting them first to enquire whether a payment arrangement could be set up will NOT avoid a personal visit being made and with it, an enforcement fee of £235 being added to the debt.
When calling them, it would be a good idea to mention that you no longer have the vehicle. That may sway them into accepting a payment arrangement.
PS: If the operator is willing to accept a payment arrangement, please do NOT offer to pay more than you can comfortably afford. They will expect an immediate first payment from you today.
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Hi all
What if I went online and paid the original fine of £125 without paying the doubling plus their extra £75, would that put things on hold for a while ?
This would not work and furthermore, if TfL were to accept payment, they would be required to pass the payment to the enforcement company so that bailiff fees can be deducted. The following page from my website explains in more details
Can I avoid Bailiff fees by paying the council direct (https://bailiffadviceonline.co.uk/index-page/council-tax-and-non-domestic-rates/can-i-avoid-bailiff-fees-by-paying-the-council)
Sorry, I meant on the cder website , change the amount from £325 to £150 and pay that, would they still chase the other £175 ? Would it confuse matters for a while?
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Hi all
Is there anything I can do to put the dogs on hold ? The online account now says - Current status Late Statement Refused/Statement Not Granted.
What if I went online and paid the original fine of £125 without paying the doubling plus their extra £75, would that put things on hold for a while ?
As your Out of Time Application has been refused, you only have 2 options available...one is to pay before a visit is made and an enforcement fee of £235 added to the account, secondly, you can seek a 'review' of the rejection (of your Out of Time Application) by submitting an N244 Application. There is a fee to pay of £119. If you receive qualifying benefits, you will usually be exempt from paying the fee. You would need to look at form EX160 for details.
Bailiff Advice Online (https://bailiffadviceonline.co.uk/)
Would the bailiffs be advised that I had applied for a review ?
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Well, join the list of people who delay, (or never) update the name and address on their V5 Registration Certificate !
You have failed to receive : -
- response to your reps to TfL
- Charge Certificate
- Order for Recovery
All statutory enforcement documents are sent to the address on the V5C for the vehicle, although if you gave your current address on your representations to TfL, they should have used that. However, that's all water under the bridge now, and in the ocean.
In order to give good advice, we really do need to see whatever documents you have, so please post them here. Also there is a website specifically dealing with bailiffs : -
www.bailiffadviceonline.co.uk
It would be prudent to contact them asap to see what options may be open to you. How many years abroad is "a few years", because the decriminalised enforcement of traffic contraventions has been around for well over a decade, and parking since 1991.
Will post all the docs I have a bit later
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Please post up the Notice of Enforcement from CDER. Only redact your name & address, please leave everything else visible.
The Notice should have given you seven clear days to pay. Sundays and bank holidays are not clear days.
If you didn't receive the original PCN how did you know there was a PCN to challenge?
And contact Bailiff Advice Online (https://bailiffadviceonline.co.uk/) as advised by @Incandescent above.
Hi mate,
I have attached it here, from what I can see they did not give me 7 clear days.
I had all my post redirected so recieved the first pcn, but not the rejection of appeal, I found that in my junk mail months later and then looked online, I had moved house and everything was all over the place but I am sure I changed the v5 in time but as i have sold the car now (2 weeks after the pcn) i have no proof.
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Hi all
What if I went online and paid the original fine of £125 without paying the doubling plus their extra £75, would that put things on hold for a while ?
This would not work and furthermore, if TfL were to accept payment, they would be required to pass the payment to the enforcement company so that bailiff fees can be deducted. The following page from my website explains in more details
Can I avoid Bailiff fees by paying the council direct (https://bailiffadviceonline.co.uk/index-page/council-tax-and-non-domestic-rates/can-i-avoid-bailiff-fees-by-paying-the-council)
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Hi all
Is there anything I can do to put the dogs on hold ? The online account now says - Current status Late Statement Refused/Statement Not Granted.
What if I went online and paid the original fine of £125 without paying the doubling plus their extra £75, would that put things on hold for a while ?
As your Out of Time Application has been refused, you only have 2 options available...one is to pay before a visit is made and an enforcement fee of £235 added to the account, secondly, you can seek a 'review' of the rejection (of your Out of Time Application) by submitting an N244 Application. There is a fee to pay of £119. If you receive qualifying benefits, you will usually be exempt from paying the fee. You would need to look at form EX160 for details.
Bailiff Advice Online (https://bailiffadviceonline.co.uk/)
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Please post up the Notice of Enforcement from CDER. Only redact your name & address, please leave everything else visible.
The Notice should have given you seven clear days to pay. Sundays and bank holidays are not clear days.
If you didn't receive the original PCN how did you know there was a PCN to challenge?
And contact Bailiff Advice Online (https://bailiffadviceonline.co.uk/) as advised by @Incandescent above.
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Well, join the list of people who delay, (or never) update the name and address on their V5 Registration Certificate !
You have failed to receive : -
- response to your reps to TfL
- Charge Certificate
- Order for Recovery
All statutory enforcement documents are sent to the address on the V5C for the vehicle, although if you gave your current address on your representations to TfL, they should have used that. However, that's all water under the bridge now, and in the ocean.
In order to give good advice, we really do need to see whatever documents you have, so please post them here. Also there is a website specifically dealing with bailiffs : -
www.bailiffadviceonline.co.uk
It would be prudent to contact them asap to see what options may be open to you. How many years abroad is "a few years", because the decriminalised enforcement of traffic contraventions has been around for well over a decade, and parking since 1991.
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i should add i dont have the car anymore so dont have the v5 to know if they sent the letter to the wrong address , i had moved but had a redirection but cant remember when i changed my details on the v5, i am certain they wete writing to me at my old address even though i had updated but im not sure how i can check
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Hi all
I received a CDER notice of enforcement on Friday (1st letter) asking for payment by 6am today !
First of all, this seems a bit crazy, is this normal for them to give such shorty deadlines?
I have been abroad for a few years and before I went I am sure you could challenge pcn's etc in court, so I am so surprised there seems no legal recourse now if you disagree with a tfl pcn, its basically pay it or have bailiffs show up, its outrageous.
The story is I got a ticket for stopping (about 5 seconds ) in a yellow box, I appealed the fine as honestly my car was always moving.
I did not recieve the rejection, honest to god I did not recieve it, the only reason I knew it has been rejected was because I looked online a few months later and then checked junk mail, by this time it had doubled.
I wrote emails and they were ignored explaining, I sent a stat dec and they werent interested, most recently I wrote to the traffic enforcement centre explaining the situation , that I had no issue paying the original fine but felt it was unfair to have to pay double (now £250) as I didnt get their letter and their email went to junk, all true.
I havent heard back yet, letter was sent by recorded delivery and its been at least a coupe of months, looking online on the tfl site it said my fine was on hold again (its been a year now) and then on friday i recieved this letter from cder demanding £325 within 4 days !!!
I am bricking it a bit about the prospect of bailifs showing up but dont have £325 right now, am i stuffed ? is there anything I can do to put the dogs on hold ? The online account now says - Current status Late Statement Refused/Statement Not Granted.
What if i went online and paid the original fine of £125 without paying the doubling plus their extra £75, would that put things on hold for a while ?
Really appreciate any help guys, feel a bit overwhelmed now that bailiffs are writing to me ..