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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: timewilltell on June 06, 2025, 11:27:05 pm
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Appeal filed.
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I will deal with this tomorrow.
Hi @Hippocrates
Please check your inbox.
Many thanks
I have replied.
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I will deal with this tomorrow.
Hi @Hippocrates
Please check your inbox.
Many thanks
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I will deal with this tomorrow.
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PM received. I am.
Thanks, will wait to hear from you :)
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PM received. I am.
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Dear Redbridge
The video evidence does not show any upright sign(s) necessary to prove the alleged contravention.
I saw no such sign(s). I use the plural because the TSM recommends the placing of at least two signs at either end in such a lengthy bus stop.
Considering the above, please cancel the PCN.
Just submitted, I'll let you know the outcome.
Much appreciated! :)
Hi @Hippocrates, hope you're well.
I received a rejection letter today:
(https://i.imgur.com/IDZYA1h.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Mz4O6UU.jpeg)
Please note their reply in paragraph 5: "Your comments are noted, however, this does not warrant the cancellation of the PCN. I am satisfied and confident that the PCN has been issued correctly and remains valid."
They also suggest I visit the borough's site to review the CCTV, however, when I click on the link (on a laptop), it doesn't allow me to do so. The page reads:
"Make Representations, Challenge or Pay your Penalty Charge Notice Online
Your Penalty Charge Notice/Notice to Owner has now passed the statutory 28-day period given to make a representation, therefore you are unable to currently make any further representation online.
If you have paid the PCN, the case has been closed and you are unable to make any further challenge/representation online.
If your PCN starts with AF0, AF3, AF6, AF8, AF9 please check back later as we are currently undergoing system maintenance."
I've taken a screenshot in case it's needed at any point.
I'd be happy to take the next step and appeal at the Tribunal. Please let me know if you'd be happy to help with that and if so what I need to do. Thanks!
@cp8759 hope it's ok to tag you here. I'm just wondering if anyone else is available to help with this. I've only got a week left to appeal and am going away so need to deal with it before I go. TIA
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Dear Redbridge
The video evidence does not show any upright sign(s) necessary to prove the alleged contravention.
I saw no such sign(s). I use the plural because the TSM recommends the placing of at least two signs at either end in such a lengthy bus stop.
Considering the above, please cancel the PCN.
Just submitted, I'll let you know the outcome.
Much appreciated! :)
Hi @Hippocrates, hope you're well.
I received a rejection letter today:
(https://i.imgur.com/IDZYA1h.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Mz4O6UU.jpeg)
Please note their reply in paragraph 5: "Your comments are noted, however, this does not warrant the cancellation of the PCN. I am satisfied and confident that the PCN has been issued correctly and remains valid."
They also suggest I visit the borough's site to review the CCTV, however, when I click on the link (on a laptop), it doesn't allow me to do so. The page reads:
"Make Representations, Challenge or Pay your Penalty Charge Notice Online
Your Penalty Charge Notice/Notice to Owner has now passed the statutory 28-day period given to make a representation, therefore you are unable to currently make any further representation online.
If you have paid the PCN, the case has been closed and you are unable to make any further challenge/representation online.
If your PCN starts with AF0, AF3, AF6, AF8, AF9 please check back later as we are currently undergoing system maintenance."
I've taken a screenshot in case it's needed at any point.
I'd be happy to take the next step and appeal at the Tribunal. Please let me know if you'd be happy to help with that and if so what I need to do. Thanks!
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Dear Redbridge
The video evidence does not show any upright sign(s) necessary to prove the alleged contravention.
I saw no such sign(s). I use the plural because the TSM recommends the placing of at least two signs at either end in such a lengthy bus stop.
Considering the above, please cancel the PCN.
Just submitted, I'll let you know the outcome.
Much appreciated! :)
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Dear Redbridge
The video evidence does not show any upright sign(s) necessary to prove the alleged contravention.
I saw no such sign(s). I use the plural because the TSM recommends the placing of at least two signs at either end in such a lengthy bus stop.
Considering the above, please cancel the PCN.
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I am useless with dropbox etc so please PM me if you prefer the PCN details with VRM so I can take a look. let's hope they have not learnt from the previous decisions.
PM sent. Thanks very much and fingers crossed they haven't! :)
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I am useless with dropbox etc so please PM me if you prefer the PCN details with VRM so I can take a look. let's hope they have not learnt from the previous decisions.
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Amazing, thank you! Also a Gemini so happy to help you celebrate – hopefully, with a win! ;D
Please let me know what I need to do next.
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Thanks for reminding me. I am happy to do so, notwithstanding 146th birthday (Gemini) approaching and a trip to my island of my username. ;D
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I won a case a couple of weeks ago on a technicality re the camera issue.
Yes, that's the one I referred to in my post.
Would you be willing to help me try and do the same, please?
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I won a case a couple of weeks ago on a technicality re the camera issue.
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Hard to tell exactly from video but does look like you are on the bus stop clearway.
Markings must be clear though. Some cases have been won where the no stopping sign is a long way away.
(https://i.ibb.co/xS627BZt/red1-1.gif)
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Hello, you helped someone else recently at this particular bus stop so I'd like to know if there's anything I can do as well.
When I received the fine, I was completely shocked to find it was for parking at a bus stop. I never park at bus stops and thought I had parked in the bay beyond the end of the bus stop. The bus stop stand is situated at the other end and it’s a couple of shops on a residential street so I had no idea the bus stop would be so long. It was also dark (21:35) and the yellow lines and bus stop words are painted on light coloured tarmac so not easy to see in the dark. (I found that out when I went back to look later even though it’s nowhere near home).
My reason for stopping was to go into the shop to drop off a parcel to send (personal not business) which took a couple of minutes. I’ve never been there before, it was on the way back from picking up my child from an activity.
In the daylight, I saw the pole with three cameras on it but they’re up high and you can’t see any of them in the photos or video on the council’s website.
Yes, I did stop in a bus stop albeit unknowingly and will pay it if you think I haven’t got a chance. However, I'm wondering if there's a precedent after the recent ruling as no changes have been made to the site (as far as I can tell)?
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/redbridge-stopped-on-bus-stop-new-north-road-hainault/
@Hippocrates referred to this ruling as well:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bLvPW0TH_QAvabqJdN2FQ3glB_Ow7-kH/view
Exact location: https://maps.app.goo.gl/cY6NbwJmrc5CMfqK6
The cameras are here: https://maps.app.goo.gl/398pe5EbsAPQoNm7A
Sign saying it’s a restricted bus stop: https://www.google.com/maps/@51.6127657,0.1203316,3a,17.6y,266.35h,89.57t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sq9nD5ZweSODhWl_YPkZLWQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D0.4300000000000068%26panoid%3Dq9nD5ZweSODhWl_YPkZLWQ%26yaw%3D266.35!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=0&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDYwNC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
PCN: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/rgzrkqkvojpqtkmpfzxd8/AKZWOJaNKaD37F__sXhloAk?rlkey=rdqybwr92enpjkkg570krmsc5&st=k6hqnyc2&dl=0
Thanks in advance for your time and help, much appreciated.