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Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: sue11 on January 15, 2026, 07:14:43 pm
Sure. Thank you so much jfollows. Will do. What is the next step, would it be a case of waiting for the court hearing date ?
Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: jfollows on January 15, 2026, 07:40:25 am
You complete and send your own N180:
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Having received your own N180 (make sure it is not simply a copy of the claimants N180), do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/673341e779e9143625613543/N180_1124.pdf

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

• The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".

• To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".

• C1: "YES"

• D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question.."

• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option

• F3: "1".

• Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and help@moorsidelegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.
Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: sue11 on January 14, 2026, 09:46:33 pm
Hi,
Just recieved this through the post. I would greatly appreciate any advice regarding the next steps please.

https://i.postimg.cc/3JqFMpNX/CEC879F8-FDC5-480A-95A1-0797CB50386D.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/mgMM05KK/DDADE726-5F30-4A75-B496-75D074C92202.jpg

TIA
Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: b789 on December 21, 2025, 04:37:38 pm
Just send it and then you wait and see what they respond with. You are putting the 'ball' back in their court.
Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: sue11 on December 21, 2025, 12:11:53 pm
So I send this email and wait to hear from either moor legal or court  regarding further actions?
Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: b789 on December 20, 2025, 05:00:01 pm
It doesn't matter whether sent s a PDF attachment or just as an email. As long as you have a copy of what you sent, that is what is important. You will be able to evidence that they were warned about their behaviour.
Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: sue11 on December 20, 2025, 01:55:05 pm
Thank you so much . Will get this emailed. Should this be sent in a pdf format as attachment or something ? or just a normal email would suffice.
Also just wanted to check that there is nothing else pending from my end at this stage, as there has been no further contact from court . I presume either the court .
Thank you so much for your detailed reply .
Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: b789 on December 18, 2025, 07:03:57 pm
They have sent this because your defence hit a nerve. Your defence forces them to confront that their pleaded Particulars were sparse, generic, and vulnerable to strike-out reasoning. They are trying to regain control of the case without doing the one thing that actually matters in litigation: serving proper Particulars (or properly seeking permission to amend them).

They are attempting three things at once.

First, they are trying to persuade you (and later, potentially, the court) that your CPR 16.4 point is “just technical” and that you “clearly understand the claim anyway”. That is a standard tactic. It is not a legal answer to a deficient pleading. The rules require them to plead a coherent cause of action with proper particulars. A letter is not a statement of case.

Second, they are trying to plug the holes by giving you a bullet-point list of what they say they will rely on. This is not an amended Particulars of Claim, not verified by a statement of truth, and not necessarily something the court has allowed them to substitute for proper pleadings. In other words, they are trying to get the benefit of proper particulars without taking the procedural steps and risks that come with serving them.

Third, they are applying pressure with a settlement pitch and a short deadline. The timing is deliberate. They want you distracted by “pay us within 7 days” and to shift your focus away from court deadlines and case management. They also push continuous payment authority (CPA), which is convenient for them and risky for you.

The important giveaway is this: they are still trying to run “driver or keeper” in the alternative, and they still do not identify, in any proper pleaded way, the contractual clause relied upon, the precise facts said to constitute the breach, or the basis for keeper liability. They are effectively saying “trust us, we’ll set it out later if required”. Courts do not run on “we’ll explain later”.

Why they sent it now is simple. They know your defence is capable of persuading a judge that this is exactly the kind of bulk, low-detail claim that should never have been issued in that form. They are trying to look reasonable, make you look unreasonable, and steer you into paying before the court forces them to do proper work.

What you should do in response is keep control. Do not phone. Do not argue emotionally. Do not miss any court deadline. You reply to (1) knock down the idea that a solicitor’s email cures defective pleadings, (2) record that you do not consent to amendments by stealth, and (3) make clear you will oppose any attempt to retrofit a coherent case unless the court orders it and appropriate directions are made.

For now, email the following response to them at litigation@moorsidelegal.co.uk and CC yourself:

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Subject: Claim number [xxxx] – your email dated [date]

Dear Sirs,

I acknowledge receipt of your email.

It is remarkable that Moorside Legal, having itself drafted and issued the Particulars of Claim, now seeks to suggest that the deficiencies identified in my Defence are mere “technicalities”. They are not. They are the direct result of your firm’s failure, as SRA‑regulated solicitors, to plead a coherent cause of action in compliance with CPR 16.4 and PD 16 at the point you chose to issue proceedings.

You were put on express notice in the Defence, with reference to the persuasive appeal decisions in Civil Enforcement Ltd v Chan and CPMS v Akande, that claims issued in materially similar form have been struck out for failure to comply with CPR 16.4. Instead of taking the proper procedural step of applying to amend and serve compliant particulars (and accepting the risks and consequences that flow from having issued a defective claim), you are attempting to “particularise” the claim by correspondence.

That is not how civil litigation works. A solicitor’s letter is not a statement of case. It is not verified by a statement of truth. It does not amend pleadings. It cannot cure defective Particulars of Claim, and it cannot retrospectively manufacture a properly pleaded cause of action after a Defence has exposed the inadequacy of the claim as issued.

Your suggestion that there is “no prejudice” because I “clearly understand the nature of the claim” is untenable. CPR 16.4(1)(a) requires the facts relied on to be pleaded, and CPR 16.4(1)(c) requires the remedy sought to be stated. I am entitled to know the case I have to meet from your client’s pleaded statement of case, not from informal narrative offered after the event. If your client wishes to pursue this claim properly, you must follow the rules: seek the Court’s permission where required, file and serve properly pleaded amended particulars, and accept any directions the Court considers appropriate. Any attempt to proceed while treating correspondence as a substitute for compliant pleadings will be opposed.

Your email also continues to advance “driver or keeper” liability in the alternative without pleading a coherent factual and legal basis for either route. That is precisely the type of vague, hedged pleading criticised in cases of this kind and it reinforces the point that this claim was issued without proper legal analysis.

For the avoidance of doubt, I will retain this correspondence. If your client persists with this claim to allocation and beyond, I will place this email before the Court as part of my evidence bundle to demonstrate that (1) your firm was on notice of the pleaded defects and the relevant persuasive authorities, and (2) your firm nonetheless attempted to bypass the CPR pleading requirements by seeking to retrofit a case via correspondence. I will invite the Court to consider whether such conduct is unreasonable and whether case management sanctions are appropriate.

Further, if the claim is discontinued at a late stage (including after allocation, after directions, or close to any final hearing), I will rely on the history of this matter, including this correspondence, when seeking my costs under CPR 27.14(2)(g) on the basis of unreasonable conduct.

Your settlement proposal is declined. I am content for this matter to be determined by the Court.

Email service: I will accept service of documents by email only if they are served as complete, legible PDF attachments. Please confirm you will serve documents in that manner. I also note your offer to accept service at litigationteam@moorsidelegal.co.uk in PDF format.

Nothing in this email is any admission as to the alleged event, the existence of any contract, the adequacy of signage, or liability as driver or keeper. All rights are reserved.

Yours faithfully,

[Name] 
[Address] 
[Email] 
[Claim number]

When the time comes to submit your N180 Directions Questionnaire (DQ), you will submit it with a covering letter which I will provide once your are ready to submit the N180.

Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: sue11 on December 18, 2025, 06:01:03 pm
Recieved this reply via email regarding my claim. I would be gratefull on any advice regarding the next steps to take as the email does not give any timeline or details next steps.
TIA

Dear 
Re: 
 
Our Client: UKCPS ltd
 
 
Our Ref: xxxx
 
 
Claim Number: xxxx
We write in relation to the above matter.
 
Your Defence
 
We have reviewed your Defence and respond as follows: -
 
The Claimant does not accept the Defendant’s assertion that the claim discloses no cause of action. The claim is founded in contract, alternatively in statutory keeper liability pursuant to Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.
The Defence raises technical objections concerning the level of detail in the Particulars of Claim. The Claimant notes that no substantive denial of the parking event, the existence of signage, or the incurrence of the parking charge is advanced. The Defendant has therefore suffered no prejudice and clearly understands the nature of the claim.
In any event, and without admission that the Particulars of Claim are deficient, the Claimant confirms that it will rely upon the following matters, which can be fully particularised if required:
    • A valid contract was formed by clear and prominent signage at the relevant site on the material date.
    • The signage set out the applicable terms and conditions, including the parking charge payable upon breach.
    • The vehicle was parked at xxxxxxxxxxxx in breach of those terms, namely parked out of marked bay.
    • The Defendant is liable as the driver of the vehicle, or alternatively as the registered keeper under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.
    • The sum claimed comprises the parking charge and statutory interest pursuant to section 69 of the County Courts Act 1984.
The Defendant’s reliance on Civil Enforcement Ltd v Chan and CPMS Ltd v Akande is noted. Those decisions are non-binding, fact-specific County Court authorities and do not establish a general principle that amendment should be refused where a claim is capable of being properly particularised.
The Claimant remains confident that the claim has merit and will be determined in its favour. However, the Claimant remains willing to deal with any genuine procedural concerns in a proportionate manner in accordance with the overriding objective.

In view of the above, our Client is satisfied that you are liable for the full amount of the Claim, and we urge you to make payment as soon as possible.
Settlement Proposal
Our Client remains open to settling the matter without the need for the Claim to progress further, and as such proposes the following settlement options:
£146.30 via one lump sum payment payable within the next 7 days; or
£10.00 via 14 monthly payments with the first payment due within the next 7 days.
How to pay
There is still time to make payment to avoid the need for a Court hearing. You can do so in any of the following ways: -
    • You can call us on 0330 828 5850 to make the relevant payment arrangements. You will need you customer reference number - xxxx; or
    • You can make payment via bank transfer to the following account -
Account holder name: Moorside Legal Services Limited
Bank name: xxx
Sort code: xxxx
Account number: xxxx
If you choose to make payment, via bank transfer you must use the following reference as your payment reference xxxx  to ensure we can quickly allocate the payment to your matter. If you do not, we may not be able to allocate the payment to your matter
If you choose to make regular card payments to us these will be made under a Continuous Payment Authority ('CPA'). This authorises us to take the agreed amount on a regular basis. CPAs can be set up weekly, fortnightly, or monthly. If we are unable to take your payment, we will attempt to take the payment later that day. If that fails, we will reattempt the next working day.
 
If you wish to provide an alternative payment proposal, please contact us within 7 days of receipt of this email.
If the Claim is not settled
 
We hope this matter can be settled without further Court action, however if we are not able to reach a settlement, please be aware that our Client intends to proceed with the Claim.
 
If the Claim proceeds, the Court will ask both Parties to file and serve a Directions Questionnaire, therefore we attach a copy of our Client’s completed Directions Questionnaire and confirm the same has been filed with the Court.
Email Service
As you provided this email address when you defended the Claim, we intend to use it to serve documents on you throughout these proceedings and will do so in PDF format. We will assume you agree to this course of action unless you tell us otherwise within 7 days. In accordance with Practice Direction 6A, if there are any limitations to your agreement to accept service by such means, please let us know within 7 days.
Subject to your agreement, we will also agree to accept email service to litigationteam@moorsidelegal.co.uk.
You may wish to seek independent legal advice.
Yours sincerely
Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: sue11 on December 01, 2025, 04:31:43 pm
Ok sure. will do. Thank you
Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: b789 on December 01, 2025, 03:50:51 pm
For the mediation call, the only requirement is for you "attend" the call. It is not part of the judicial process and no judge is involved.

This is what I advise you to say when you receive the call from the mediator:

Before I set out my position, please confirm from the claimant’s side:

• the full name of the person attending for them;
• their role/position at their legal representative’s firm; and
• whether they hold written authority to negotiate and settle today.

Please relay that back to me before we continue.

After the mediator calls back...

If identified and authority confirmed:

Thank you. I’m content to proceed on that basis. My settlement offer is £0, or I invite the claimant to discontinue with no order as to costs.

If no/unclear authority:

Please record that the claimant’s attendee has not confirmed settlement authority. My position remains that liability is denied and my offer is £0, subject to prompt approval by an authorised solicitor if they choose to discontinue.

If the mediator probes your defence:

In what capacity are you asking that question? Are you legally trained?  If not, please refrain from offering opinions. I will be reporting any attempt to do so as inappropriate.”

All you need to know is the name and the position of the person acting for the claimant and report that back to us. It will be over within minutes. Complete waste of time otherwise.
Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: sue11 on December 01, 2025, 11:59:54 am
Thank you b789, I have submitted the defence today.
Just wondering how to deal with mediation phone calls. Is there anything I need to be prepared for . TIA
Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: sue11 on November 28, 2025, 10:37:37 am
Thank you b789. very much appreciate your help. Will submit the draft and come back when there is more updates.
Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: b789 on November 26, 2025, 12:51:03 pm
You submit that "draft" by copying and pasting it into the defence section of the MCOL webform.

You will receive an acknowledgement of your defence. At some point you will receive an N180 Directions Questionnaire and a mediation phone call. The odds of you ever having to appear in court to defend this are slim to none. Even if you did, you have nothing to fear. This is not a criminal matter. It is a civil dispute over an alleged debt because the driver allegedly breacghed a contract.

You have the utterly incompetent Moorside Legal representing the claimant which is an additional bonus for you. Just in case your imagination is running wild about "court", here is a short video that explains what would happen on the day, if this ever reached that stage (unlikely):

https://youtu.be/n93eoaxhzpU?feature=shared
Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: sue11 on November 26, 2025, 11:58:11 am
Thank you so much for b789 for the detailed draft.
Just wondering what happens next once this is submitted. Do I need to appear in the court , etc which I'm a bit apprehensive about.  Apologies as I have never dealt with such things before, so completely unsure.
Also should I send this draft straight away or should it be sent on a certain date ?
Thanks in advance
Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: b789 on November 24, 2025, 06:51:08 pm
With an issue date of 19th November, you have until 4pm on Monday 8th December to submit your defence. If you submit an Acknowledgement of Service (AoS) before then, you would then have until 4pm on Monday 22nd December to submit your defence.

You only need to submit an AoS if you need extra time to prepare your defence. If you want to submit an AoS then follow the instructions in this linked PDF:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

Until very recently, we never advised using the MCOL to submit a defence. However, due to recent systemic failures within the CNBC, we feel that it is safer to now submit a short defence using MCOL as it is instantly submitted and entered into the "system". Whilst it will deny the use of some formatting or inclusion of transcripts etc. these can always be included with the Witness Statement (WS) later, if it ever progresses that far.

You will need to copy and paste it into the defence text box on MCOL. It has been checked to make sure that it will fit into the 122 lines limit.

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1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a).

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with PD 16, para 7.3(1);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts)

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest, damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The Defendant submits that courts have previously struck out similar claims of their own initiative for failure to adequately comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a), particularly where the Particulars of Claim failed to specify the contractual terms relied upon or explain the alleged breach with sufficient clarity. The Defendant refers specifically to the persuasive appellate cases:

- Civil Enforcement Ltd v Chan (2023), Luton County Court, HHJ Murch, ref: E7GM9W44

- CPMS Ltd v Akande (2024), Manchester County Court, HHJ Evans, ref: K0DP5J30

In both cases, the claim was struck out due to materially similar failures to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a).

5. The Defendant invites the Court to strike out this claim of its own initiative. The Defendant relies on the judicial reasoning set out in Chan and Akande, as well as other County Court cases involving identical failures to adequately comply with CPR 16.4. In those cases, the court further observed that, given the modest sum claimed, requiring further case management steps would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective. Accordingly, the judge struck out the claim outright rather than permitting an amendment. The Defendant proposes that the following Order be made:

Draft Order:

Of the Court's own initiative and upon reading the particulars of claim and the defence.

AND the court being of the view that the particulars of claim do not comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a) because: (a) they do not set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is (or are) relied on; and (b) they do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts that the defendant was in breach of contract.

AND the claimant could have complied with CPR 16.4(1)(a) had it served separate detailed particulars of claim, as it could have done pursuant to PD 7C, para 5.2, but chose not to do so.

AND upon the Court determining, having regard to the overriding objective (CPR 1.1), that it would be disproportionate to direct further pleadings or to allot any further share of the Court’s resources to this claim (for example by ordering further particulars of claim and a further defence, with consequent case management).

ORDER:

1. The claim is struck out.
2. Permission to either party to apply to set aside, vary or stay this order by application on notice, which must be filed at this Court not more than 7 days after service of this order, failing which no such application may be made.
Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: sue11 on November 24, 2025, 06:36:43 pm
Apologies, this is the link to the image

https://i.postimg.cc/cLdkRrmJ/PHOTO-2025-11-23-17-14-17.jpg
Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: DWMB2 on November 24, 2025, 10:22:00 am
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Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: b789 on November 24, 2025, 05:06:26 am
“Attached” where??? We need to see the Particulars of Claim (PoC).

Is this a Moorside Legal issued claim?
Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: sue11 on November 23, 2025, 05:34:41 pm
Hi All,

Here it is the Court claim form (attached)
Although the date on the letter states 19th Nov, I only recieved it yesterday(22nd) , I don't know if that makes any difference.
I would appreciate any advice on the next steps . What are my options and chances going forward & how such cases have panned out lately.
Many thanks.
(https://ibb.co/7d8hZB44)
Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: sue11 on August 24, 2025, 10:28:00 am
ok sure. Thank you.
Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: b789 on August 23, 2025, 04:18:53 pm
Nah... just send it as is. I'm sure there are more than one type of sign at the location.
Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: sue11 on August 23, 2025, 01:13:47 pm
Thank you B789 for your reply. Apologies I forgot to add the NTK & parking sign pic, which I have now attached. So should I edit the message to remove the first three points and include point 4& 5 & send it ?
Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: b789 on August 22, 2025, 12:47:03 pm
Don't be intimidated by the utter incompetents at Moorside Legal. Respond to them with the following:

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Dear Sirs,

Re: Your response dated 18 August 2025 – Non-Compliance with Pre-Action Protocol

I refer to your email of 18 August 2025 and attachments, claiming a £170 balance on a Parking Charge Notice (PCN). Your reply remains deficient and in breach of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998, Part 3 Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims and the accompanying Practice Direction.

Despite your assertions, you have not provided:

1. The original Notice to Keeper under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. 
2. Photographic evidence of the actual signage displayed on the date in question, in situ. 
3. The precise wording of the clause(s) within the Terms and Conditions you allege were breached. 
4. The written contract between your client and the landowner, establishing enforcement authority. 
5. A full breakdown of the £100 principal sum (clarifying whether sought as consideration or damages) and the £70 “recovery” fee, including VAT status and actual recovery costs.

These documents are mandatory under:

- Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims, ¶3.1(a)–(d), 5.1–5.2 
- Practice Direction, ¶6(a), 6(c)

Please provide the above documents within 7 days of this letter. Should you fail to do so, I will:

- Apply for a stay of any proceedings under Practice Direction ¶15(b). 
- Seek sanctions and an adverse costs order against your client and yourselves personally for non-compliance under Practice Direction ¶13, ¶16 and Protocol ¶7.2.

Once compliant disclosure is received, I will seek advice and deliver my substantive response within 30 days, as required. Until then, any attempt to issue proceedings will be premature and opposed on grounds of procedural unfairness, with immediate applications for case-management relief and costs.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: sue11 on August 21, 2025, 07:21:23 pm
They say they are issuing the PCN for parking out of marked bay , but to anyone seeing it doesn't actually look any different to the marked bays. I genuinely thought I was parking in a proper bay, there was no signs or zigzgs to warn otherwise. Please see attached pics, supplied by them.
Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: sue11 on August 21, 2025, 07:03:48 pm
Hi,
Please see the reply below from Moorside legal. I recieved the email on the 18th and they state I have 7 days to respond. Any advice much appreciated.

noreply@moorsidelegal.co.uk
   
AttachmentsAug 18, 2025, 3:58 PM (3 days ago)
   
to me

We write in relation to the above matter.

Please see attached as requested.
Our client has instructed us to collect the outstanding balance of £170.00 in relation to an unpaid Parking Charge Notice (PCN).
 
The Terms and Conditions on which UKCPS Ltd's services are provided are clearly displayed throughout the private land. Please be advised that there are several signs within this location displaying the terms and conditions,  As you breached the terms and conditions of the car park, this PCN was correctly issued. Considering the evidence, we are satisfied that the PCN has been issued in line with industry standards and is compliant with the International Parking Community’s (IPC) code of practice. The signage of the car park also complies with the International Parking Community’s Code of Practice.
 
By entering and parking the vehicle on our client's private land, you agreed to enter into a contract with our client and to be bound by the terms and conditions of that contract. The terms and conditions were clearly displayed at the entrance and in prominent places within the car park. Due to your failure to comply with the terms and conditions, our client has issued the PCN.
 
It is unclear why you would need to inspect any agreement between our client and the landowner as you are not party to that agreement, not could it aid your dispute or any potential defence.
 
The additional charge which has been levied on your Parking Charge of £70 is the amount set out in both the British Parking Association and International Parking Community Codes of Practice as the amount which may be added to a Parking Charge when a Parking Charge remains unpaid and when further recovery is required. Our Client is a member of the International Parking Community which is a government approved Accredited Trade Association (ATA) for Private Parking. Our Client adheres to the ATA’s Code of Practice. The £70 does not represent the cost of recovery but is a reasonable amount in relation to the Parking Charge amount, in order to encourage early payment of the Parking Charge without the need for debt recovery. It is a fair amount set by our Client’s government-approved Accredited Trade Association Code of Practice. There are however also costs incurred by our client in relation to debt recovery services.
 

 
Please note that we will not be addressing any further correspondence related to disputes of the same nature, as we have already provided you with a response. However, should you wish to raise a new dispute, we will investigate the matter further and respond accordingly.

 

We ask that you make the full payment of £170.00 within 7 days of receipt of this email.

 

 

You can make payment in the following ways: 

    Contact us on 0330 822 9950 (our opening times are Monday- Friday 9:00- 17:00);
    portal.moorsidelegal.co.uk - Login to our portal
    https://pay.moorside.legal - Quick Pay

 

 

If you fail to respond or make payment, we may be instructed by our client to issue legal proceedings against you. This will incur further costs and fees that will be added to the outstanding balance. You may wish to seek independent legal advice. 

 
Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: sue11 on August 05, 2025, 07:41:45 pm
Many Thanks B789 . Will reply with what you have sent .
Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: b789 on August 04, 2025, 06:37:09 pm
respond with the following by email to help@moorsidelegal.co.uk and CC yourself:

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Dear Sirs,

Your Letter Before Claim contains insufficient detail of the claim and fails to provide copies of evidence your client places reliance upon and thus is in complete contravention of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims.

As a firm of supposed solicitors, one would expect you to be capable of crafting a letter that aligns with paragraphs 3.1(a)–(d), 5.1 and 5.2 of the Protocol, and paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. These provisions do not exist for decoration—they exist to facilitate informed discussion and proportionate resolution. You might wish to reacquaint yourselves with them.

The Civil Procedure Rules 1998, Pre-Action Conduct and Protocols (Part 3), stipulate that prior to proceedings, parties should have exchanged sufficient information to understand each other’s position. Part 6 helpfully clarifies that this includes disclosure of key documents relevant to the issues in dispute.

Your template letter mentions a “contract”, yet fails to provide one. This would appear to undermine the only foundation upon which your client’s claim allegedly rests. It’s difficult to engage in meaningful pre-litigation dialogue when your side declines to furnish the very document it purports to enforce.

I confirm that, once I am in receipt of a Letter Before Claim that complies with the requirements of para 3.1 (a) of the Pre-Action Protocol, I shall then seek advice and submit a formal response within 30 days, as required by the Protocol. Thus, I require your client to comply with its obligations by sending me the following information/documents:

1. A copy of the original Notice to Keeper (NtK) that confirms any PoFA 2012 liability
2. A copy of the contract (or contracts) you allege exists between your client and the driver, in the form of an actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date, not a generic stock image
3. The exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract(s) which is (are) relied upon that you allege to have been breached
4. The written agreement between your client and the landowner, establishing authority to enforce
5. A breakdown of the charges claimed, identifying whether the principal sum is claimed as consideration or damages, and whether the £70 “debt recovery” fee includes VAT

I am clearly entitled to this information under paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. I also need it in order to comply with my own obligations under paragraph 6(b).

If your client does not provide me with this information then I put you on notice that I will be relying on the cases of Webb Resolutions Ltd v Waller Needham & Green [2012] EWHC 3529 (Ch), Daejan Investments Limited v The Park West Club Limited (Part 20) Buxton Associates [2003] EWHC 2872, Charles Church Developments Ltd v Stent Foundations Limited & Peter Dann Limited [2007] EWHC 855 in asking the court to impose sanctions on your client and to order a stay of the proceedings, pursuant to paragraphs 13, 15(b) and (c) and 16 of the Practice Direction, as referred to in paragraph 7.2 of the Protocol.

Until your client has complied with its obligations and provided this information, I am unable to respond properly to the alleged claim and to consider my position in relation to it, and it is entirely premature (and a waste of costs and court time) for your client to issue proceedings. Should your client do so, then I will seek an immediate stay pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the Practice Direction and an order that this information is provided.

Yours faithfully,

[Your name]
Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: sue11 on August 04, 2025, 06:15:35 pm
Hi all,
I have now recieved a letter before claim from Moorside Legal(attached).It was dated the 23rd July. Can you kindly advice on the next steps please.


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Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: sue11 on June 03, 2025, 10:39:49 am
Come back when you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC). As advised, you can safely ignore Trace or any other debt recovery firm. We dob[t need to know about a powerless debt collector. All they can do is try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear. They certainly cannot give you a CCJ and here is why:

What CCJ? Do you have any understanding of how someone gets a CCJ? Nothing we advise on here will make anyone get a CCJ.

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A County Court Judgment (CCJ) does not just happen—it follows a clear legal process. If someone gets a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) from a private parking company, here's what happens step by step:

1. Parking Charge Notice (PCN) Issued

• The parking company sends a letter (Notice to Keeper) demanding money.

• This is not a fine—it’s an invoice for an alleged breach of contract.

2. Opportunity to Appeal

• The recipient can appeal to the parking company.

•If rejected, they may be able to appeal to POPLA (if BPA member) or IAS (if IPC member).

• If an appeal is lost or ignored, the parking company demands payment.

3. Debt Collection Letters

• The parking company might send scary letters or pass the case to a debt collector.

• Debt collectors have no power—they just send letters and can be ignored.

No CCJ happens at this stage.

4. Letter Before Claim (LBC)

• If ignored for long enough, the parking company (or their solicitor) sends a Letter Before Claim (LBC).

• This is a warning that they may start a court case.

• The recipient has 30 days to reply before a claim is filed.

No CCJ happens at this stage.

5. County Court Claim Issued

• If ignored or unpaid, the parking company may file a claim with the County Court.

• The court sends a Claim Form with details of the claim and how to respond.

• The recipient has 14 days to respond (or 28 days if they acknowledge it).

No CCJ happens at this stage.

6. Court Process

• If the recipient defends the claim, a judge decides if they owe money.

• If the recipient ignores the claim, the parking company wins by default.

No CCJ happens yet unless the recipient loses and ignores the court.

7. Judgment & Payment

• If the court rules that money is owed, the recipient has 30 days to pay in full.

• If they pay within 30 days, no CCJ goes on their credit file.

• If they don’t pay within 30 days, the CCJ stays on their credit file for 6 years.

Conclusion

CCJs do not appear out of thin air. They only happen if:

• A parking company takes the case to court.

• The person loses or ignores the case.

• The person fails to pay within 30 days.

If you engage with the process (appeal, defend, or pay on time), no CCJ happens.

Thank you so much . That provides a lot of clarity.  :)
Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: b789 on June 03, 2025, 01:05:13 am
Come back when you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC). As advised, you can safely ignore Trace or any other debt recovery firm. We dob[t need to know about a powerless debt collector. All they can do is try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear. They certainly cannot give you a CCJ and here is why:

What CCJ? Do you have any understanding of how someone gets a CCJ? Nothing we advise on here will make anyone get a CCJ.

Quote
A County Court Judgment (CCJ) does not just happen—it follows a clear legal process. If someone gets a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) from a private parking company, here's what happens step by step:

1. Parking Charge Notice (PCN) Issued

• The parking company sends a letter (Notice to Keeper) demanding money.

• This is not a fine—it’s an invoice for an alleged breach of contract.

2. Opportunity to Appeal

• The recipient can appeal to the parking company.

•If rejected, they may be able to appeal to POPLA (if BPA member) or IAS (if IPC member).

• If an appeal is lost or ignored, the parking company demands payment.

3. Debt Collection Letters

• The parking company might send scary letters or pass the case to a debt collector.

• Debt collectors have no power—they just send letters and can be ignored.

No CCJ happens at this stage.

4. Letter Before Claim (LBC)

• If ignored for long enough, the parking company (or their solicitor) sends a Letter Before Claim (LBC).

• This is a warning that they may start a court case.

• The recipient has 30 days to reply before a claim is filed.

No CCJ happens at this stage.

5. County Court Claim Issued

• If ignored or unpaid, the parking company may file a claim with the County Court.

• The court sends a Claim Form with details of the claim and how to respond.

• The recipient has 14 days to respond (or 28 days if they acknowledge it).

No CCJ happens at this stage.

6. Court Process

• If the recipient defends the claim, a judge decides if they owe money.

• If the recipient ignores the claim, the parking company wins by default.

No CCJ happens yet unless the recipient loses and ignores the court.

7. Judgment & Payment

• If the court rules that money is owed, the recipient has 30 days to pay in full.

• If they pay within 30 days, no CCJ goes on their credit file.

• If they don’t pay within 30 days, the CCJ stays on their credit file for 6 years.

Conclusion

CCJs do not appear out of thin air. They only happen if:

• A parking company takes the case to court.

• The person loses or ignores the case.

• The person fails to pay within 30 days.

If you engage with the process (appeal, defend, or pay on time), no CCJ happens.
Title: Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: jfollows on June 02, 2025, 05:36:25 pm
Ignore Trace and all other variants of debt collectors.
They are powerless, and they don’t “threaten” a CCJ, they just put it prominently in big letters to frighten you.
If you want specific advice, please read https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/ and post things like your original PCN here for us to see.
Title: PCN from UKCPS limited
Post by: sue11 on June 02, 2025, 05:21:50 pm
Hi all,

I recieved a PCN through letter from UKPCS in April last year. At the time,  I took advice from a site similar to this and was advised to ignore it , which I did till now. They sent several letters at the time and went quiet for good few months .However, I have now been sent a letter(attached) now asking for £170 payment from Trace debt recovery or they are threatening CCJ.
Can you kindly advise on the next steps please
Any advice much appreciated.
Thanks

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