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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: kay on May 31, 2025, 02:59:49 pm
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I won a case here two years ago following which the council improved the signage (they moved the left hand sign further forwards and to the right) and I think it is now adequate in the eyes of almost all adjudicators. Of 138 cases at the tribunal only 29 have been won. Cutting the corner made the sign less easily spotted (a point an adjduicator has made in a different case I was fighting).
There is a warning sign on the right on google street view but I can't speak as to the current status of it.
I see no grounds to beat this PCN.
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The sign is quite new, but it's almost right on the turn, with restriction times that have to be read whilst one is on approach, so in my view this is inadequate under Regulation 18 of The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996 : -
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/18
A timed restriction like this needs an advance sign so that a motorist can, at the 20mph limit, read the restricted times, and not at the point of turning. However, whilst this is a valid argument, it would only get tested at London Tribunals, the council will inevitably refuse any representations you put forward, and hide behind the fact that the discount option ceases at the Notice to Owner stage.
There may also be a 'technical' appeal based on B & D mismanagement of the enforcement process, so wait a bit to see what may be suggested, but don't miss the deadline to pay or submit representations.
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Any advice will be greatfully received.
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Hi,
Thanks for the response and information John and @cp8759
Here are the details:
I received a PCN from Barking & Dagenham council for performing an illegal right turn (50r Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn)) at Reede Road (Dagenham) Jcn with Service Road Opposite 9-13 at 0950 on 21/05/2025.
I did not see the no right turn sign, which is in force Mon-Sat between the hours of 8am-10am and 4:30pm-7pm, as this is on the pavement on the left hand side. Also this is immediately off the junction of Reede Road and Heathway and it's not possible to see this sign unless you have already committed to the right turn.
The google map link to this location is here: https://maps.app.goo.gl/3jobs5cMjMJJ1RAn9
The link to the PCN, council images and council video is here: https://imgur.com/a/pcn-notice-OOkW2f0
Regards,
Kay.
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For meaningful advice please to have a read of
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
and post up here
all sides of the PCN (redact only yr name & address - leave all else in),
the video,
and a GSV link to the location.
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Hello everyone,
I have received a PCN for making a right turn into Lidl as I did not see the right turn prohibition as it was on the left side of the road.
It seems like a lot of people get caught out by this.
Has anyone successfully appealed against Barking & Dagenham against this type of PCN?
Thanks.