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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: RBDO on May 31, 2025, 01:14:25 pm

Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: RBDO on November 27, 2025, 03:59:14 pm
Thanks guys.

Much appreciated!
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: b789 on November 27, 2025, 03:33:32 pm
Stop panicking about the "credit reference agency". There is nothing, I repeat NOTHING, they can do that will affect or have any impact whatsoever on your credit report. The absolutely only way anything could have ANY impact. on your credit report would be if they issued a court claim and you either did not respond or if you did and lost and a CCJ was issued AND you did not pay it within 30 days, only then would it have any impact on your credit. If it is paid within 30 days, there is no record of it. It is completely expunged from the record.

What they can do is refer to a credit reference agency to do a soft search to confirm your current address for service. That does not "mark" your credit record. As for "referral to debt recovery", don't get me started. Debt collectors are powerless to do anything except to try and intimidate the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree into paying out of ignorance and fear. A debt collector is a third party unconnected with any contract allegedly breached by the driver they and are unable to do anything.

I would respond, even if just to frustrate them, with the following:

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Subject: Final pre-action reply – non-engagement noted

Dear ParkingEye,

Your latest letter repeats demands and even retains a template placeholder (“£X”). My position is unchanged.

For the avoidance of doubt:

• I will not engage with debt collection agents.
• You have my correct postal address for service; you do not need CRA tracing. Any suggestion that my credit file could be affected absent a judgment unpaid after one calendar month is misleading and will be relied upon as unreasonable conduct.
• If you issue, the claim will be defended.

For the record, your recent letters contain statements that are potentially misleading and/or aggressive (e.g. implying adverse credit consequences outside of a judgment unpaid after one calendar month). I am preserving all correspondence and will share it with enforcement bodies—including Trading Standards (via Citizens Advice) and the Competition and Markets Authority—for assessment under current consumer protection law (including the DMCC Act 2024).

No further pre-action correspondence will be entered into. Issue proceedings or desist.

Yours faithfully,

[Name]
[Postal address]
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: jfollows on November 27, 2025, 02:44:13 pm
If you told them you wouldn’t reply, then don’t!

Debt collectors will be engaged whether you like it or not and regardless of what you said previously, and you will ignore them as you said.

Don’t say you will/won’t do things, and then do the opposite. Be consistent.
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: RBDO on November 27, 2025, 02:13:45 pm
Received the following reply today. Though someone seems to have taken the time to respond directly, they still manage to leave ‘£X’ in from the cut+paste:

‘We note that the points made in your recent correspondence are the same as the ones that have previously been addressed and Parkingeye will not enter into further correspondence in respect of these arguments. We would refer you to our previous correspondence as our position remains unaltered.
 
We can confirm that we maintain our position that the full amount of the Parking Charge remains outstanding.
 
We now require full payment of the outstanding sum of £X within the next 14 days.  If payment is not received, this case will be reviewed and further action could include referral to a Credit Reference Agency to confirm the correct address, instruction of solicitors to secure payment, referral to debt recovery or the issuance of court proceedings, all of which will incur further costs.
 
Payment can be made by telephoning our offices on 0330 555 4444, by visiting www.Parkingeye.co.uk, or by posting a cheque/postal order to the below address. Please note that you must quote the above Parking Charge reference on the reverse of the cheque or postal order.
 
Please note Parkingeye dispute any costs you claim to have incurred and will oppose any application or claim that you may wish to pursue in relation to any such costs.’

Although I had stated previously I would not reply further, I feel it may be necessary to restate that I will not engage with debt collection agencies. I stated it previously, but have no confidence it was noted or that it will be honoured. The Credit Reference Agency threat seems a bit low too. Don’t know if they can mark your credit or not - not that it would affect my choice to take this to court - but depending on if it is possible or not, it’s either 1. A really manipulative action to take, or 2. A bullying threat.
 
Any way; reply saying ‘I will not engage with debt collection agencies and await proceedings being issued’, leave it altogether, or anything else I should add?

Any advice greatly appreciated as always.
 
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: RBDO on November 12, 2025, 12:10:08 pm
Thanks again for your time and attention. Very much appreciated.
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: b789 on November 12, 2025, 12:05:46 pm
For what it's worth and as evidence of their PAPDC failure, respond with the following email:

Quote
Your ref: [PCN/Ref]
Site: Challaborough Bay Pay & Display, Kingsbridge
Date of your latest letter: [insert date]

By email and post: enforcement@parkingeye.co.uk

Subject: Final pre-action reply – repeated non-engagement and defective £130 figure

Dear ParkingEye,

Liability is denied.

You have now twice refused to provide the core documents I requested before action: (i) contemporaneous photographs of the actual entrance and terms signage as displayed on the material date, (ii) the exact clause(s) you allege were breached (verbatim, cross-referenced to the signage), and (iii) the landowner contract conferring authority to issue PCNs and to litigate in your own name. Your latest letter simply repeats demands and asserts that you “will not enter into further correspondence”. That is not engagement with the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims.

Your £130 figure remains defective. You identify a £100 “Parking Charge” plus a £30 “LBCC administration fee”. That £30 is a pre-issue overhead and an attempt at double recovery. It is not recoverable in addition to the principal. If you proceed, you are put on notice that any claim will be defended on fact and law and that I will seek costs for unreasonable conduct (CPR 27.14(2)(g)) relying on this correspondence.

For the avoidance of doubt:
• The £30 add-on is not accepted and will be opposed.
• If you intend to rely on PoFA Schedule 4, you are put to strict proof that the NtK states a period of parking (not merely ANPR in/out) and was served in accordance with the statute.
• Your ANPR times (15:49–16:06) do not evidence a period of parking and include circulation/consideration time.

This is my final pre-action reply. Either:

(a) within 14 days, provide the three items above in full (i)–(iii) and confirm that any claim will be limited to the principal plus the fixed court fee and fixed, permitted legal representative’s costs on issue; or
(b) issue proceedings. Further template demands will be retained as evidence of unreasonable conduct but will not be answered.

I do not consent to service of proceedings by email.

Yours faithfully,

[Name]
[Postal address]
[Email]
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: DWMB2 on November 12, 2025, 11:59:26 am
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I’m partly tempted to reply that as they will not enter into further correspondence, neither will I, and will see them in court
"See you in court" makes for good TV, but poor pre-litigation correspondence in my view. There is an expectation that all parties treat court as a last resort.

If through your correspondence you can show that at every stage you've sought to clarify matters to enable you to properly respond, and in return ParkingEye have been obstructive, this paints you in a favourable light.
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: RBDO on November 12, 2025, 11:33:36 am
Had a reply today. Clearly they have no intention of providing any of the documentation requested. Reply below:

‘Dear Sir / Madam,
Thank you for your correspondence received in relation to the above referenced Parking
Charge.
We note that the points made in your recent correspondence are the same as the ones
that have previously been addressed and ParkingEye will not enter into further
correspondence in respect of these arguments. We would refer you to our previous
correspondence as our position remains unaltered.
We can confirm that we maintain our position that the full amount of the Parking Charge
remains outstanding and that we have been unable to reach an agreement in respect of
the same via the Reply Form.
We now require full payment of the outstanding sum of £130.00 within the next 14 days or
legal action will be taken. Should court proceedings be issued, further costs will be
incurred. These will include, but are not limited to, the court claim issue fee and the
solicitors costs referred to within the LBCCC.
Payment can be made by telephoning 0330 555 4444, by visiting
www.parkingeye.co.uk/payments or alternatively by posting a cheque/postal order to
Parkingeye Ltd, PO Box 117, Blyth, NE24 9EJ. Please ensure you write your reference
number on the reverse of any cheque/postal order so the payment can be allocated.
Yours faithfully,
Parkingeye Team’

By “previously addressed” I assume they mean ignored. I’m partly tempted to reply that as they will not enter into further correspondence, neither will I, and will see them in court.

Assuming I should just point out how unreasonable they are being given I’m expected to defend myself in court on the basis of the standing of the documents I require?

Thanks again.
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: RBDO on October 24, 2025, 10:20:58 am
Brilliant as always, thank you.
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: b789 on October 23, 2025, 08:21:00 pm
Their “we will not be making payment of the sum referred to within your correspondence” is nonsense. You didn’t invoice them for anything. Typical boilerplate paragraph dropped into the wrong template.

Send one final, short chaser that (a) corrects their “sum you claim” error, (b) records that they’ve twice ignored core PAPDC-relevant document requests, and (c) gives a final, reasonable window (14 days) to produce the three key items (signage as displayed on the day, the exact clause allegedly breached, and landowner authority). Make clear you won’t grant further extensions and will seek CPR 27.14(2)(g) costs for unreasonable conduct if they issue without providing them.

Do not keep rolling 30-day extensions. One clear ultimatum is enough. If they still don’t comply and then issue, you use their non-cooperation to support costs and case management orders.

Email the following response and CC yourself:

Quote
Your ref: [PCN/Ref]
Site: Challaborough Bay Pay & Display, Kingsbridge
Date of your latest letter: [insert date]
By email: enforcement@parkingeye.co.uk

Subject: Your latest LBC correspondence – non-response to document requests and incorrect “sum claimed” assertion
Dear ParkingEye,

Your letter states you “will not be making payment of the sum referred to within [my] correspondence.” I have made no demand for payment of any sum from ParkingEye. Please correct your records and stop repeating this irrelevant template paragraph.

You have now twice failed to provide the core documents I requested that you will rely upon. For the final time before proceedings, provide within 14 days:
a) Contemporaneous, date-stamped photographs of the actual entrance and terms signage as displayed on the material date, at driver eye height and showing location relative to the bay/route used (not artwork/stock images).
b) The exact clause(s) you say were in force and allegedly breached, set out verbatim and cross-referenced to the signage supplied. Also confirm your pleaded legal basis (contractual sum by performance vs breach/trespass).
c) The landowner authority in force on the material date, unredacted as to parties, land description/boundaries, dates, consideration, and with express authority (if any) for ParkingEye to issue PCNs, to litigate in your own name, and to recover the sums now claimed.

You continue to demand £130 comprised of a £100 “Parking Charge” and a £30 “LBCC administration fee”. Identify the legal basis on which you contend a separate £30 pre-issue administration sum is recoverable in addition to the approved parking charge, and confirm whether VAT is (a) chargeable or (b) excluded, and why. If you cannot identify a proper basis, confirm the claim is limited to the principal, the court issue fee and the fixed, permitted legal representative’s costs on issue.

If you issue proceedings without first providing the items at 2(a)–(c) and a coherent explanation of 3), I will draw this correspondence to the court’s attention and seek appropriate sanctions for unreasonable conduct, including costs under CPR 27.14(2)(g). No further extensions will be agreed. I will not use a web portal.

Yours faithfully,

[Name]
[Postal address]
[Email]
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: RBDO on October 23, 2025, 01:57:15 pm
So I received the following reply this week:

‘Reference: Parking Charge Notice -

Dear Sir / Madam,
We write regarding the above referenced Parking Charge, which concerned a breach of
the parking terms and conditions on the 25 May 2025 at Challaborough Bay Pay &
Display Kingsbridge, and your recent correspondence received in relation to the same.
We can confirm that we have now reviewed your recent correspondence, but we maintain
our position that the full amount of the Parking Charge remains outstanding and that we
have been unable to reach an agreement in respect of the same via the Reply Form.
We now require full payment of the outstanding sum of £130.00 within the next 14 days or
legal action will be taken. Should court proceedings be issued, further costs will be
incurred. These will include, but are not limited to, the court claim issue fee and the
solicitors costs referred to within the LBCCC.
Yours faithfully,
Parkingeye Team
If you wish to make payment, you can do so by telephoning our offices on 0330 555
4444, by visiting www.parkingeye.co.uk, or by posting a cheque/postal order to the
below address. Please note that you must quote the above Parking Charge reference on
the reverse of the cheque or postal order.

Further Information
Whilst we appreciate that receiving a parking charge may be inconvenient, we wish to
confirm that we will not be making payment of the sum referred to within your
correspondence.
You have not formed a legally binding contract with Parkingeye under which you have
acquired any right to invoice Parkingeye or seek payment for goods or services, and the
sum sought is therefore rejected.’

I’m a little baffled about their reference to a sum I am claiming, and can only presume they didn’t read the last reply properly, and are references potential damages referred to.

They haven’t bothered to provide or excuse providing any of the evidence I asked for which they will rely on, and this is the second time I’ve requested, and given 30 days.

I don’t know whether to quote the specific legislation to them re the first point, or just ask them what they are talking about.

Re the continued absence of the provision of their authority etc; do I request them again, and give them even more time, or do I use this as evidence of their lack of cooperation/ disingenuity in this matter?

It seems as though whoever replied either doesn’t understand what’s being asked, didn’t read it properly, or is being intentionally obtuse/ disdainful.

Any advice — as always - is gratefully appreciated.
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: RBDO on September 30, 2025, 05:22:23 pm
Smashing, thank you!

I’ll get that gone tomorrow. Your continued help is very much appreciated!
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: b789 on September 30, 2025, 02:50:14 pm
Respond with:

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Your ref: [PCN/Ref]
Site: Challaborough Bay Pay & Display, Kingsbridge
Date of your Letter Before Claim: 29 August 2025
By email: enforcement@parkingeye.co.uk

Subject: Your response to my LBC reply – continuing dispute, defective figures and missing documents

Dear ParkingEye Enforcement Team,

Liability remains denied.
Your latest letter does not cure the defects I identified. You have still failed to provide (i) contemporaneous photographs of the actual signage at the location on the material date, (ii) the exact clause(s) you say were breached, and (iii) the landowner contract proving your standing to issue charges and to litigate in your own name. Those documents were expressly requested and are required if you intend to rely on them. Provide them within 30 days. I will not use a web portal.

Your ANPR timings are misconceived. You say ANPR captured entry at 15:49 and exit at 16:06. That is 17 minutes between cameras, not 16. In any event, ANPR timestamps do not equate to a “period of parking”. They include circulation time, the time required to read and consider terms, and lawful consideration/grace periods mandated by industry codes. If you dispute this, point me to your pleaded legal basis and to the precise wording on the signs you say formed the contract that a court will be asked to enforce. If you contend a breach, identify the exact term and the factual conduct you say breached it.
You still refuse to identify the legal character of the £100. Confirm whether you claim £100 as consideration under a contractual term or as damages for breach. You must choose a cause of action.

Your £30 “LBCC administration fee” is not recoverable. It is a pre-issue overhead that is already priced into the parking charge. It is a classic example of double recovery and is irrecoverable on the small claims track where only fixed costs apply. If you believe otherwise, identify the statute or rule that entitles you to recover a separate £30 administration sum pre-issue and explain how that sits with CPR 27.14 and the established prohibition on adding “debt recovery” or administrative uplifts to a ParkingEye charge approved as a single, inclusive sum. State whether VAT is chargeable on your £30 and, if not, why not.

You say a copy of the NtK is attached. If you intend to rely on PoFA Schedule 4, identify where the NtK states a “period of parking” rather than mere ANPR in/out times, and confirm the dates and method of service relied upon for the statutory presumption of delivery.

For the avoidance of doubt, the claim is disputed on fact and law. If you issue proceedings without first supplying the missing documents and without correcting your incoherent and inflated figures, I will draw this correspondence to the court’s attention and seek appropriate sanctions for unreasonable conduct, including costs under CPR 27.14(2)(g).

I expect the three missing items (signage photographs as actually displayed on the material date, the verbatim clause(s) you say were breached, and full landowner authority) together with clear answers to the points above within 30 days. I will then respond further. I will not engage with third-party debt collectors.

Yours faithfully,

[Name]
[Postal address]
[Email]
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: RBDO on September 30, 2025, 12:57:01 pm
So I received a reply today which I will post below. They didn’t answer or provide a number of the requests, should I request them again or just note to them that they have failed to provide?

And I don’t know if they are being intentionally obtuse at the end.

Many thanks guys.

Parkingeye reply:

 We write further to your recent correspondence which concerned the above referenced Parking Charge. We recently sent you a Letter Before Claim which informed you that this Parking Charge remains outstanding and had now been processed for further action.
 
On the 25/05/2025 at 15:49 the vehicle with registration PF68LNN was captured by Parkingeye’s Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) cameras entering the car park at Challaborough Bay Pay & Display Kingsbridge. The vehicle was subsequently captured exiting the car park at 16:06.
 
The vehicle remained onsite for 16 minutes and the required parking tariff was not purchased. Therefore, there was a breach of the terms and conditions and a Parking Charge was issued in accordance with the signage.
 
We note from your reply to our Letter Before Claim that you dispute the outstanding sum. We can confirm that we have now reviewed your correspondence but it is our position that the Parking Charge remains due.
 
We can confirm that £130 remains outstanding and that full payment is required within the next 14 days to prevent further action.
 
Please find a breakdown of costs below:
 
Parking Charge full amount - £100
LBCC administration fee - £30
 
We are prepared to take legal action if necessary and should court proceedings be issued, further costs will be incurred. These will include, but are not limited to, the court claim issue fee and the solicitors costs referred to within the Letter Before Claim.
 
Please find a copy of the Parking Charge Notice attached, as requested.
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: RBDO on September 13, 2025, 01:04:20 pm
That is wonderful, thank you so much. I apologise for my ignorance.

Very grateful for your advice.

I will get that done ASAP.
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: b789 on September 13, 2025, 11:35:55 am
No. You received a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) which was issued as a Notice to Keeper (NtK). Because your appeal was not upheld, they say you owe them a debt. Before they can issue a claim for that alleged debt in the county court, they are required, under the Pre Action Protocols for Debt Claims (PAPDC) to issue a Letter of Claim (LoC) which details the reason they are alleging you owe them a debt and they must give you 30 days to respond before they can issue the actual claim.

You have shown us only the cover letter part of the LoC. What else have they said about the alleged debt and why it is owed? We don't need to know about any other forms that were included with the LoC and you can safely discard those forms.

So, the LoC refers to the PCN, not any other LoC.

You can respond to the LoC with the following:

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Your ref: [PCN/Ref]
Site: Challaborough Bay Pay & Display, Kingsbridge
Date of your Letter Before Claim: 29 August 2025

By email and post: enforcement@parkingeye.co.uk

ParkingEye Ltd, PO Box 117, Blyth, NE24 9EJ

Subject: Response to your Letter Before County Court Claim – figures queried and documents required

Dear ParkingEye Enforcement Team,

I acknowledge receipt of your Letter Before County Court Claim. Liability is denied.

Your figures are incoherent. You say the principal sum is £100, assert that under the Private Parking Single Code of Practice you are “entitled to add up to £70 to cover the cost of recovering a debt”, then declare an “additional fee of £30… now due” and demand £130. Identify precisely what the £30 represents, the legal basis for it, and whether VAT is included. If you contend that any part of this is a “debt recovery” add-on, explain why such a bolt-on is not an impermissible attempt at double recovery given that ParkingEye’s business model and the approved charge already include the cost of running your scheme. Confirm also whether you intend to pursue any sum beyond the principal, the fixed court fee and the fixed, permitted legal representative’s costs on issue.

Further, you must state the legal character of the £100: do you claim it as consideration under a contractual term, or as damages for breach? Your letter is silent on this, yet it is fundamental to any cause of action.

Please now provide the following, in full, legible and unredacted, within 30 days. I will not use your web portal.

1. A complete copy of the original Notice to Keeper exactly as served (all pages and images), including the wording relied upon to invoke Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and proof of service/delivery dates.
2. A contemporaneous, date-stamped photograph of the actual terms signage at the location on the material date (not artwork or a stock image) showing the full wording, the parking charge amount, the entrance signs and the signs’ positions relative to the bay/route used.
3. The exact clause(s) of the terms you say were in force and that you allege were breached, set out verbatim and cross-referenced to the signage supplied, together with clarification of whether you plead breach of contract, trespass, or a contractual sum by performance.
4. The written agreement in force on the material date between the landowner (or party with title) and ParkingEye, showing the land description and boundaries, commencement/expiry, consideration, and the express authority (if any) to issue PCNs, to pursue proceedings in your own name, and to recover the sums now claimed.
5. A full breakdown of all sums now claimed, identifying the legal basis for each head of loss or sum, whether the principal is consideration or damages, and whether any alleged “debt recovery” element attracts VAT. If you rely on any trade association code for add-ons, identify the specific provision and explain how it creates a recoverable legal entitlement.

If you commence proceedings without first addressing the above and rectifying the inconsistencies in your figures, I will draw this letter to the court’s attention and seek sanctions for unreasonable conduct, including costs pursuant to CPR 27.14(2)(g).

All future correspondence should be sent by post to my address and/or by email to [your email]. I will not engage with third-party debt collection agents.

Yours faithfully,

[Name]
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: RBDO on September 13, 2025, 11:29:06 am
Crumbs, sorry - I was typing and posting that last reply while yours was coming through.

The section ‘Parking Charge Information’ states:

‘The signage which is clearly displayed at the entrance to and throughout the car park, stated that this is private land and that the car park is managed by Parkingeye Ltd. In addition the signage states that, as a paid parking car park, a Parking Charge is applicable if the motorist fails to make the appropriate tariff payment. The signage also contains further terms and conditions associated with this car park by which those who park in the car park agree to be bound.

By either not purchasing the appropriate parking time or by remaining at the car park for longer than permitted, in accordance with the terms and conditions set out in the signage, the Parking Charge is now payable to Parkingeye Ltd (as the creditor).’

That’s as far as supporting evidence goes.
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: RBDO on September 13, 2025, 11:11:44 am
If LoC refers to the original letter of claim (pardon my ignorance) then the evidence provided was timestamped ANPR pics of the car entering and leaving the car park.

I’m sorry if that isn’t what is being asked!
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: b789 on September 13, 2025, 11:09:29 am
You ALWAYS make a POPLA appeal. What about putting the operator to strict proof that they had a valid and contemporaneous contract flowing from the landowner that permits them to issue PCNs in their own name? What about putting them to strict proof that all their signs conform to the respective CoP?

Anyway, it is too late for that now.

Why has the charge gone from £100 to £130? On what legal basis have they added £30? Do the signs at the location mention this £30? The signs are the 'contract" the driver agreed to. If the contract does not mention that the charge is £100 plus an added £30, then it is a false claim.

You have only shown us the cover page of the LoC. What evidence for the claim did they include with the letter? Once we know that information, we can better advise on what you should respond with.

For example, did they include any of the following with the LoC?

1. A copy of the original Notice to Keeper (NtK) that confirms any PoFA 2012 liability
2. A copy of the contract (or contracts) they allege exists between your them and the driver, in the form of an actual photograph of the sign they contend was at the location on the material date, not a generic stock image
3. The exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract(s) which is (are) relied upon that they allege to have been breached
4. The written agreement between their client and the landowner, establishing standing/authority to enforce
5. A breakdown of the charges claimed, identifying whether the principal sum is claimed as consideration or damages, and what the added £30 fee is for and whether it includes VAT

I can go on but I think you may get the gist.
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: RBDO on September 13, 2025, 10:52:30 am
Apologies; for some reason neither of the  previous replies were showing when I refreshed the thread - and I only found these by chance going through my junk folder and finding a notification. Even my ‘bump’ message wasn’t showing. Will have to close tab and restart in future.

Thank you for the responses.

As I described previously, I didn’t make a POPLA appeal because, having been through the PPSSCoP, it wasn’t readily apparent to me what basis I had to appeal. I didn’t have a personal picture of signage, and—annoyingly—when I returned to take pics both the payment machine and signage had been replaced with new models, so I couldn’t make a claim on the basis of signage. Thankfully I have pics of the broken machine from the day, at least.

 This also meant I couldn’t be sure whether section 6.1.2 was relevant to my case: so I didn’t have a concrete basis for appeal.

Since I had no concrete challenge, and my research on this site made it clear POPLA strictly consider only considerations of the guidelines, it seemed a fruitless exercise.
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: DWMB2 on September 08, 2025, 12:01:27 pm
It might help to answer the questions in the previous post.
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: RBDO on September 08, 2025, 11:30:45 am
Sorry to bump, but I’m keen to know what folks advise; should I communicate my intent to take this to court, or ignore this letter?
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: b789 on September 05, 2025, 12:37:22 pm
Why didn’t you make a POPLA appeal? That would have shown them you are not a pushover. You didn’t.

What evidence to back their claim for the alleged breach of contract did they include with the LoC? We are not interest3 in any of the enclosed forms that would ha been with it and you can discard those.
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: RBDO on September 05, 2025, 12:02:11 pm
Hi all,

Today I received a Letter Before County Court Claim. Hopefully the link below will show an image of the letter itself for exact wording etc.

Do I need to reply to Parkingeye via their portal to let them know I’m not paying, or do I just ignore this letter?

Thanks in advance.

https://imgur.com/a/fpVE9ml
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: RBDO on June 16, 2025, 12:41:57 pm
I’m wondering if a POPLA appeal is worth it, and I should just wait for court proceedings?

Having studied the PPSSCOP I cannot see any technicality I can argue my case on, and will be relying on the mitigating circumstances of the case - unless I there is some issue I can raise re 3.1.1-3.1.7 and 6.1.1 and 6.1.2 regarding signage. I would need to go back and get a clearer picture than I have currently available to make a judgement on this.

Am I missing any specific valid basis directly from the PPSSCOP? 6.1.2.c) describes what is needed if payment cannot be made; I guess I will need to go back and check the sign for these specifics; all I remember is a QR code for payment app and a phone number for reports of failure. Don’t remember any “consequences” listed, but I will have to confirm.
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: b789 on June 13, 2025, 10:12:51 am
@Vivj, please start your won thread if you want advice and assistance. We can't deal with two separate cases in a single thread as it becomes unmanageable, even if the circumstances are identical.

READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide (https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/)
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: Vivj on June 12, 2025, 07:54:33 pm
Hi, interested to read this thread: On the 25th May I arrived at Challaborough Bay and pulled into the car park. I went to the machine to pay and the machine - although having power - would accept neither card, nor contactless, nor cash payment.I thus went to the sign assuming there would be an alternative payment option, which there was.

However, when i tried scanning the QR code to download the app, I discovered I had absolutely no service at all - including any signal to be able to call the number on the machine provided by a sign that said: 'if there are any issues with the payment machine please contact our helpline on: 0330 555 4444' with an'evology' logo.
I had exactly the same experience the previous day 24/5 and received the pcn on 29th as you did. Also received rejected appeal notice today. Not only us, but discovered on the Challaborough Facebook page that this has been happening since autumn 2023. How is this fair?? I have a photo of the reg numbers of others who were unable to pay. Could we somehow get together to make a case here?
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: RBDO on June 12, 2025, 06:01:16 pm
Thanks b; I will post a reply once I have done the necessary research and composed one.
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: b789 on June 12, 2025, 05:39:31 pm
ParkingEYe are one of the few companies that are about as close to the requirements of the PPSCoP as you can get, especially when it comes to the Notice to Keeper (NtK). They always include timestamped photos. The only flaw in their notices is that they do not comply 100% with PoFA as there is no invitation for the Keeper to pay the charge as required by paragraph 9(2)(e)(i). However, that has never actually been tested in court, although a judge has agreed with me that if it is argued correctly, it is a valid point. POPLA are too thick to understand the nuances of the actual meaning of sub para (i) in that part.

So, having received an appeal rejection with a POPA code, you can now try your luck at POPLA. You have 33 days from the date of the appeal rejection date, not the 28 days as stated to be able to submit a POPLA appeal.

I suggest you now do a search of the forum for other POPLA appeals and study how they are formatted and what points to use. Basically, you throw the kitchen sink at the issue. POPLA will not consider any mitigating circumstances, so you are looking for technical issues in law and the PPSCoP.

When you have something you think might fly, post it here and we will advise on any necessary edits before you snd anything off. You have plenty of time to prepare it.
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: RBDO on June 12, 2025, 05:19:29 pm
Thanks for the reply!

(There is a link to pics of the PCN in the OP, if desired.)

There are timestamped pics of the car entering and leaving and the difference is 16 minutes. Also provided are the duration of stay, and exact entry and exit times, which match the photos.
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: DWMB2 on June 12, 2025, 05:18:08 pm
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That’s a breach of BPA Code of Practice
Which does not apply to parking charges issued after 1st October 2024. Any references to breaches of Codes of Practice should refer to the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice.
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: ticketterminator on June 12, 2025, 04:56:55 pm
Did the PCN Show Both Entry and Exit Times?

Under the BPA Code of Practice (para 21.5), if a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) is based on ANPR camera data, it must clearly show:

The full entry time

The full exit time

The duration of stay

AND…

Operators must not state or imply that the period of parking began at the point of vehicle entry, because that’s misleading. Parking starts when the driver finds a space and finishes when they leave it—not when passing a camera.

So the PCN must not just say “You were in the car park for 16 minutes”; it must show timestamped entry and exit photos.


If the PCN omits either time, Fails to show photos, or Misrepresents the duration as "time parked", That’s a breach of BPA Code of Practice, and a strong ground for POPLA appeal and court defence.
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: RBDO on June 12, 2025, 04:23:57 pm
Hi all,

I have today received the expected rejection of my appeal from Parkingeye.

I have (hopefully) attached a link to the letter below.

At this point, do I just follow the POPLA appeal process as they have supplied - or do I do it via another route etc?

Many thanks in advance.

R

https://imgur.com/a/1Aa8yMN
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: RBDO on June 04, 2025, 11:31:19 am
Thank you so very much for both of your replies. They are both very informative and very helpful.

I feel much better equipped now to proceed!

Best wishes to you.
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: b789 on June 04, 2025, 10:27:49 am
I forgot to add that should you not be successful should ParkingEye handle the matter through their in-house litigation team, the sum you are risking would be the £100 charge plus the fixed court fee of £35 and the fixed legal costs fee of £50. They will try and add on a fake £25 debt recovery cost but the court would not allow that.

There is absolutely zero risk of a CCJ affecting your credit rating, even if you were unsuccessful. As long as the CCJ amount is paid in full within 30 days of judgment, it is completely expunged from the record.
Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: b789 on June 04, 2025, 10:20:32 am
You have to consider what your chances of successfully defending this should ParkingEye eventually decide to take you to court of the alleged debt. Lets look at the bare bones of the circumstances:

The driver entered, attempted to pay, and could not due to:

• payment machine failure,
• lack of alternative viable methods (no signal for QR app or helpline),
• and no available onsite assistance.
• The driver did not accept the contract (no payment made, no tariff selected).
• The total stay was 16 minutes, which exceeds the minimum 5-minute consideration period.

An appeal to POPLA has almost zero chance of being successful. This case will likely be rejected by POPLA on technical grounds if ParkingEye can demonstrate that:

• signage was visible,
• terms were clear,
• the vehicle remained over the 5-minute consideration threshold without completing payment.

POPLA assessors tend to apply the Code rigidly and will never consider mitigating circumstances unless they amount to a procedural breach or unlawful conduct.

In my opinion, the only way you have any chance of getting this unfair PCN cancelled is if it goes to court. There are two outcomes, depending on how ParkingEye decide to handle litigation on the matter.

If they think their case is weak, they will eventually use the bulk litigation firm of incompetent legal wannabes, DCB Legal to issue a claim. If they do that, you have won, because as long as you follow the advice and defend the claim properly, they will, in due course discontinue.

However, if ParkingEye think they have a strong case, then they will handle the claim in-house with their own litigation team. Should this be the case, then it is highly likely that it would proceed al the way to a hearing.

At a hearing, you have the best chance of winning this because, unlike ParkingEye or their incestuous so-called "independent" appeals service, POPLA, a judge is the only truly independent arbiter and will decide any claim on the facts.

In the small claims court, this is where you would have a far stronger chance, especially with:

• evidence of the failed payment attempt (machine photos),
• witness evidence of no signal,
• your health context,
• and a properly structured argument around impossibility of performance and no contract formed.

The judge will also be able to decide on mitigating issues and, in my opinion, you probably have a better than 50% chance of being successful.

However... this is a long protracted process and is likely to last for anything from 9 months to over a year before it is finally decided. In the meantime, you will be receiving debt recovery letters threatening all sorts of nonsense but enough to scare anyone not familiar with this process. Debt collectors can be safely ignored. They are powerless to actually do anything except to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear.

After ignoring all debt collector letters, at some stage you will receive a Letter of Claim (LoC). At this point you will know whether they think they have a fair chance at recovering the alleged debt. If the LoC is issued by ParkingEye's in-house litigation team, then it is likely to end up in court. However, if the LoC comes from the incompetents at DCB Legal, it's a slam dunk that as long as the claim is defended, they will discontinue before they have to pay the trial fee.

This is not guesswork. This is all based on many years of dealing with these unregulated private parking companies and their bottom dwelling, bulk litigation brethren.

So, you have to decide whether you are prepared to fight this all the way, with our advice or you can go it alone and either pay up or fight with advice from elsewhere.

Title: Re: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: RBDO on June 04, 2025, 08:52:17 am
OP here:

Appears no one has any advice specifically for my case, so I will ask something from a different angle: does anyone have any experience with machines being out of order and there being no alternative method of payment? Is there any precedent here (good or bad)?

Many thanks.
Title: ParkingEye PCN - Challaborough Bay P&D - No purchase of appropriate time
Post by: RBDO on May 31, 2025, 01:14:25 pm
Hello all!

Firstly, i would like to leave thanks in advance for all advice and apologies for any errors in the format or content of my post; I am trying to follow the direction given to the best of my ability.

I have stupidly already appealed my notice through Parkingeye's system; I have an anxiety disorder and acted rashly. i confirmed my status as both RK and driver at this time.

Hopefully attached are links to the best pic I have of the signage (from Facebook) and pics of the machine and of my notice itself. the pics of the machine were taken approximately 30 mins before i arrived by someone else and forwarded to me today for my use.

The details of the matter are as follows:

On the 25th May I arrived at Challaborough Bay and pulled into the car park. I went to the machine to pay and the machine - although having power - would accept neither card, nor contactless, nor cash payment.I thus went to the sign assuming there would be an alternative payment option, which there was.

However, when i tried scanning the QR code to download the app, I discovered I had absolutely no service at all - including any signal to be able to call the number on the machine provided by a sign that said: 'if there are any issues with the payment machine please contact our helpline on: 0330 555 4444' with an'evology' logo.

I was at a loss what to do; i was there to collect my daughter who was there with family, and having no signal to call her i was unsure how to locate her. As noted above, i have an anxiety disorder, and at this point I was beginning to stress about both the parking and finding her. I set out to find my family ASAP, thinking they may also have a solution to the parking issue.

When i found them, they reported that they had found the same problems; unable to pay; no signal. Additionally, they had sought assistance from the adjacent holiday park, who had explained they had no jurisdiction or way of contacting Parkingeye.

Not quite sure how to prove i don't have signal there other than go back and take a pic of my phone display - though not sure how much weight that would hold anyway.

According to Parkingeye I was there for a total of 16 minutes. i had tried to be as brief as possible but evidently this overruns any grace period they allow (if at all).

As stated above, i have daftly already appealed via Parkingeye's link. I did not provide any photos.

Please feel free to ask for anything relevant i have not stated.

Do i have any chance of winning my appeal, either with Parkingeye or subsequently? I'm pretty motivated to take it to court if i have a 50/50 chance or better.

All advice greatly appreciated, thank you.

Edit 3: only way I could link imgur successfully below:

https://imgur.com/a/5ZSZfiZ