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Title: Re: Bromley, Code 25 loading bay, Cottingham Road, Penge
Post by: Feline_Foxy on June 03, 2025, 09:54:13 am
Thank you.

So we now need to prepare something... re the low signpost - does anyone know what legislation can we refer to please???
Title: Re: Bromley, Code 25 loading bay, Cottingham Road, Penge
Post by: Incandescent on June 02, 2025, 08:02:45 pm
Just noticed they got the car colour wrong - 'grey' instead of beige
Colour of vehicle is not legally mandated info on a PCN, so is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Bromley, Code 25 loading bay, Cottingham Road, Penge
Post by: Feline_Foxy on June 02, 2025, 06:20:44 pm
Just noticed they got the car colour wrong - 'grey' instead of beige
Title: Re: Bromley, Code 25 loading bay, Cottingham Road, Penge
Post by: Feline_Foxy on June 01, 2025, 02:25:49 pm
Shopping (nothing pre-ordered).  He's 83.  Nothing diagnosed but he does walk slowly so technically has some mobility issues - although that is tenuous, I mean he can walk, & doesn't use a walking stick
Title: Re: Bromley, Code 25 loading bay, Cottingham Road, Penge
Post by: stamfordman on June 01, 2025, 11:38:19 am
So did he just go shopping or was he picking up preordered things.

Any health issues.
Title: Re: Bromley, Code 25 loading bay, Cottingham Road, Penge
Post by: Feline_Foxy on June 01, 2025, 11:23:35 am
Is there any legislation, any guidelines (or better still stipulations) that have been thwarted???
Title: Re: Bromley, Code 25 loading bay, Cottingham Road, Penge
Post by: Feline_Foxy on May 29, 2025, 12:44:54 pm
Watermelons, turnips, I bet they get all sorts of 'loading' stories!  Unfortunately not too many turnips to carry in this scenario.


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here as it's a timed restriction the sign is needed and should be better sited but the road markings are sufficient to put a driver on notice

>> what could we say re this
Title: Re: Bromley, Code 25 loading bay, Cottingham Road, Penge
Post by: stamfordman on May 29, 2025, 11:19:02 am
We've had the watermelon defence. Now comes the turnips.

If this were a 24 hour loading bay the regulations now say an upright sign isn't needed but here as it's a timed restriction the sign is needed and should be better sited but the road markings are sufficient to put a driver on notice.
Title: Re: Bromley, Code 25 loading bay, Cottingham Road, Penge
Post by: Incandescent on May 29, 2025, 10:07:54 am
No there is no background that would help really.  He told the attendant that he was loading (has the receipt for a few turnips!) but the attendant said he had already started so couldn't cancel it. 

How far can we go with the low sign?

And is there anything else?

Thank you
What was "a few turnips" ? Weight ? Bulk ?
Title: Re: Bromley, Code 25 loading bay, Cottingham Road, Penge
Post by: Feline_Foxy on May 29, 2025, 09:00:52 am
No there is no background that would help really.  He told the attendant that he was loading (has the receipt for a few turnips!) but the attendant said he had already started so couldn't cancel it. 

How far can we go with the low sign?

And is there anything else?

Thank you
Title: Re: Bromley, Code 25 loading bay, Cottingham Road, Penge
Post by: Incandescent on May 29, 2025, 12:37:27 am
A really quite disgraceful placement of the sign controlling the bay, but whether this would win at an adjudication is another matter. The bay does have the text "Loading Only" on the carriageway by the bay, and a motorist parking in any marked out bay has a duty to look for the sign controlling the bay. But would this motorist look for a sign that sits almost out of sight below the street name ?

Is there any background info on why your father parked there ? In order to give full advice we need to be in possession of all the facts.
Title: Re: Bromley, Code 25 loading bay, Cottingham Road, Penge
Post by: Feline_Foxy on May 28, 2025, 11:37:40 pm
Thanks, I'll try again

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Title: Re: Bromley, Code 25 loading bay, Cottingham Road, Penge
Post by: Incandescent on May 28, 2025, 11:11:28 pm
There are no images on your post. Space is limited, so most people use a hosting site and then post a link

Please read this and update your thread accordingly: -
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
Title: Bromley, Code 25 loading bay, Cottingham Road, Penge
Post by: Feline_Foxy on May 28, 2025, 10:36:29 pm
My father got a PCN for being briefly in a loading bay.

Is there anything for this location - signage compliance, underlying traffic orders or some such???


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