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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: Karl on May 18, 2025, 08:08:12 pm

Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: b789 on September 03, 2025, 11:41:26 am
Which bit about “”debt collectors are powerless to do anything” is not understood?

They rely on the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to react out of ignorance and fear, which is what you appear to be doing. You can safely ignore everything you receive from a useless debt recovery agent. IGNORE them.

Come back when you receive the LoC.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: DWMB2 on September 03, 2025, 11:10:03 am
Continue to await a letter of claim. There is nothing to be gained by engaging with debt collectors.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on September 03, 2025, 10:56:15 am
Updating on this case.

Another identical reminder about the charge was received a week or so ago. There was no change in the amount, nor anything else of note, so this was ignored just as the notices that came before it.

Today, a letter was received (body attached) informing that the collection agent will be instructing the client to begin legal proceedings.

I know the advice above was to wait for a Letter of Claim, but should anything be done in response to this preliminary missive?

In the letter, the refer to the following points as the grounds for taking legal action:

• Have you paid?
• Have you contacted us? (i)
• Did you unsuccessfully appeal a parking charge using the POPLA or IAS appeals systems? (ii)
• Evidence of the original parking charge
• [...] attempts to contact you (i)
• Existing case law

i) Obviously they have attempted to make contact, and no response has been sent on the advice of this forum.

ii) There were no appeals made through any mechanism/system. As a reminder, this is because the person driving on the day of the parking event lost the windscreen notice. By the time a notice was sent in the mail to the keeper, the first window for appeal had been missed, and the enforcer's website asserted that the same window applied for the Keeper and had as such been missed. The website therefore allowed no way of submitting the appeal. Moreover, attempts to appeal via BPA are rejected if no appeal has first been made to the parking company.

Just want to check, since a few weeks have passed since the last update, that the advice at this stage is still to wait.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: b789 on August 02, 2025, 09:31:24 am
Not a problem and thank you for clarifying. It is unfortunate that the vast majority of motorists who are recipients of  PCN, have very little idea of their rights or how the law applies. I put this down to a failure of our education system that does not prepare anyone for brushes with the legal system, civil or criminal.

Depending on which parking from has issued the PCN, in most cases, they will use one of a number of bulk litigation firms to issue the LoC and subsequent claim. A few will issue the LoC and claim themselves.

As far as I remember, PCS do not often do claims but I recall one from last year where they used the incompetents at Gladstones to issue an LoC but the thread was never updated beyond the LoC stage. However, ALL Gladstones issued claims fail CPR 16.4(1)(a) which can be used to request a strike out.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on August 01, 2025, 07:00:41 pm
Thanks, b789.

1. Not so much 'unclear' as previously unstated. The previous commented had said to wait until a Letter of Claim is received. I was asking who might send such a letter.

2. To be clear, I was not suggesting that any advice received from this forum would lead to a CCJ. I was asking if the Letter of Claim was a step that would lead to a CCJ.

I do have some understanding of how a person might get a CCJ, because I had one myself from a parking ticket, and following advice on this forum, I was able to go to court and have it removed.

However, in that case, all correspondence leading up to the CCJ was sent to a different address and never received by me, so I effectively leapfrogged a few steps in the usual process and had to act after the fact, re: the CCJ.

In this current case, I am not directly involved with the charge or parking event at all. I am here to help out another, having found the forum so helpful last time. So I want to be sure I don't misunderstand or misrepresent anything. Hence my questions there.

Thanks again for the clarification, and rest assured, I respect and trust the advice given here.

Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: b789 on August 01, 2025, 04:43:40 pm
1. It will be sent by the debt collector's legal representation?
quote]

Which bit about this was not clear?

You can safely ignore any useless debt recovery letter. Debt collectors are powerless to do anything except to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear. Never, ever communicate with a powerless debt collector. You can safely shred the letter from Trace and use it as hamster bedding for all anyone cares.

A debt collector is a third party and has nothing to do with the contract allegedly breached by the driver. A useless debt collector cannot do anything, least all instruct a solicitor to sue you for something that they are nothing to do with!

The contract allegedly breached is between the parking firm and the driver. ONLY the parking firm can instruct a solicitor to initiate a claim.

Do you have any understanding of how someone gets a CCJ? Nothing we advise on here will make anyone get a CCJ.

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A County Court Judgment (CCJ) does not just happen—it follows a clear legal process. If someone gets a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) from a private parking company, here's what happens step by step:

1. Parking Charge Notice (PCN) Issued

• The parking company sends a letter (Notice to Keeper) demanding money.
• This is not a fine—it’s an invoice for an alleged breach of contract.

2. Opportunity to Appeal

• The recipient can appeal to the parking company.
•If rejected, they may be able to appeal to POPLA (if BPA member) or IAS (if IPC member).
• If an appeal is lost or ignored, the parking company demands payment.

3. Debt Collection Letters

• The parking company might send scary letters or pass the case to a debt collector.
• Debt collectors have no power—they just send letters and can be ignored.
No CCJ happens at this stage.

4. Letter Before Claim (LBC)

• If ignored for long enough, the parking company (or their solicitor) sends a Letter Before Claim (LBC).
• This is a warning that they may start a court case.
• The recipient has 30 days to reply before a claim is filed.
No CCJ happens at this stage.

5. County Court Claim Issued

• If ignored or unpaid, the parking company may file a claim with the County Court.
• The court sends a Claim Form with details of the claim and how to respond.
• The recipient has 14 days to respond (or 28 days if they acknowledge it).
No CCJ happens at this stage.

6. Court Process

• If the recipient defends the claim, a judge decides if they owe money.
• If the recipient ignores the claim, the parking company wins by default.
No CCJ happens yet unless the recipient loses and ignores the court.

7. Judgment & Payment

• If the court rules that money is owed, the recipient has 30 days to pay in full.
• If they pay within 30 days, no CCJ goes on their credit file.
• If they don’t pay within 30 days, the CCJ stays on their credit file for 6 years.

Conclusion

CCJs do not appear out of thin air. They only happen if:

• A parking company takes the case to court.
• The person loses or ignores the case.
• The person fails to pay within 30 days.

If you engage with the process (appeal, defend, or pay on time), no CCJ happens.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: jfollows on August 01, 2025, 03:51:46 pm
A “CCJ”, as in a recorded county court judgement which negatively affects your ability to obtain credit etc., only happens if you are taken to court, you lose the case, and do not pay the fine within 30 days. Even if you lose, which generally you won’t if you follow advice here, as long as you pay up promptly there is no significant negative impact on you.

See https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/pcn-from-ukcps-limited/msg74494/#msg74494 for more analysis.

These parking companies splash around terms such as “CCJ” to frighten you into paying. You need to be sure you understand exactly what they mean.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on August 01, 2025, 11:32:01 am
Thank you. Noted.

Just so that I understand, are the following correct assumptions about the Letter of Claim?

1. It will be sent by the debt collector's legal representation?
2. It will be notice of legal action, potentially leading to a CCJ?
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: b789 on August 01, 2025, 11:19:40 am
You can safely ignore any useless debt recovery letter. Debt collectors are powerless to do anything except to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear. Never, ever communicate with a powerless debt collector. You can safely shred the letter from Trace and use it as hamster bedding for all anyone cares.

Come back if/when you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC). Until then, there's nothing else you can do.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on August 01, 2025, 11:09:59 am
Good day.

A letter has now been received from a debt collection agency, in this case Trace.

I am attaching the letter, but the content informs that the debt has been passed on to the agency, the charge now includes additional fees, and the deadline for payment is 14 days.

Note: with these additional fees (in accordance with the code of practice, according to the letter) the charge is now £170.

Note also: the deadline is given as 14 days from the date of the letter. The letter is dated 23 July, but it was received this morning, 1 August, such that 9 days have passed already.

Brief reminder, as this thread has been dormant for a few weeks.

1. Car was parked in a spot within a carpark where the driver had a fully current and properly displayed permit, however this spot in particular was designated for guests who had booked online.
2. A NtD was affixed to the window, but the driver lost this.
3. Initially, it appeared that the parking operator was not a member of either ATA. Considering this and that the ticket was lost, no appeal was made to the operator. It was later found that the operator is indeed an authorised member of the IPC but the website had apparently been out of date.
4. An NtK was sent to the keeper's address. Upon trying to appeal, the website informed that no appeal could be submitted as the window for appeal had lapsed during the first 28 days, the period before the NtK had been received.
5. To date, no appeals have been submitted.
6. Today's letter arrived.

Please advise how to proceed.

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Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: b789 on June 30, 2025, 08:23:20 am
The Keeper still retains the right to appeal the Notice to Keeper (NtK) within the 28-day period after it has been received, even if the original Notice to Driver (NtD) was not appealed.

Under PoFA, if an NtD is issued and not appealed, the parking operator must wait at least 28 days before issuing an NtK, and it must be issued no later than 56 days after the date of the alleged contravention. Once the NtK is received, the Keeper has a statutory right to appeal within 28 days of its deemed receipt date.

This appeal window is independent of whether the NtD was appealed. Normally, we would recommend appealing the NtD, only as the Keeper, on day 27, and waiting to see if they reject the appeal without sending an NtK.

Only the NtK can establish Keeper liability under PoFA if the operator is compliant with all procedural requirements.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on June 30, 2025, 08:11:30 am
Yes. The NTK explicitly states that “you as the keeper also had the right to appeal during the 28 days following the NtD” (my paraphrasing, I’ll copy the precise language later.)

And then initiating the appeal online with the case number reiterates this.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: b789 on June 30, 2025, 07:50:18 am
The NtD allows appeal up to 28 days from the date it is issued. For an NtK issued if there is no response to an NtD, then it is 28 days from "receipt" of the NtK. The NtK cannot be issued earlier than 28 days after the date of the NtD and no later than 5 days after the date of the NtD.

If you are appealing as the Keeper having received the NtK, then you have 28 days from the issue date plus, two working days, in which to submit the appeal. If you're saying that they have refused an appeal within this window, then submit a formal complaint to them. Also submit a formal complaint about the operator to the DVLA also as they are in breach of the PPSCoP and therefore the KADOE contract and are using your data unlawfully, which the DVLA, as the data controller, is responsible.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on June 29, 2025, 09:31:07 pm
Certainly, I am not expecting any appeals to be successful. I just want to be sure that the proper steps are taken so that we can be successful down the line. Do you suggest that submitting the appeals is not necessary, even for the sake of showing at a later stage that all avenues were exhausted? Do you suggest that it is sufficient to just wait until PCS makes contact again?



As for the PPSCoP requirement for a 28-day appeals window, shouldn't this apply to the NTK separately from the NTD. After all, the word receipt implies a recipient, and it is reasonable to assume that a notice to DRIVER and a notice to KEEPER are notices to two separate recipients (as is relevant to the VCS v Edward case linked above).
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: b789 on June 29, 2025, 07:48:35 pm
Good luck with the IAS. You'd be more productive poking yourself in the eye with a sharp stick.

The PPSCoP requires the appeal window to be 28 days from "receipt" of the notice. The notice is deemed "received" two working days after it is issued.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on June 29, 2025, 05:45:14 pm
The NTK has a section explaining appeals, in which it states that the appeals period was 28 days from the issuance of the NTD, and that since that period has lapsed, there is no longer any recourse to appeal.

This seems to make no sense, since the NTK exists to pursue the Keeper in the event that the driver does nor respond and cannot be identified. How is it valid to issue the Keeper with a charge, which they may well be completely unaware of prior to the receipt of the NTK, and give them no recourse to appeal?

In any case, visiting the website and entering the reference number returns the following:

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Unfortunately you are unable to appeal this charge. At the time that the charge was incurred, a Notice to Driver may have been affixed to the vehicle or sent through the post. This offered the driver the ability to appeal within 28 days from its imposition. You also as the registered keeper or the driver of the vehicle had the right to appeal within the 28 day period from the point of issue of the Notice to Keeper. Since we have received no further correspondence from you, payment is required within 14 days. If you consider there to be exceptional circumstances as to why you should be allowed to appeal outside of this period then you should send your reasons to us, in writing, at 2 Wellington Place, Leeds, West Yorkshire, LS1 4AP.

This says that there was (past tense) an opportunity to appeal within 28 days of the point of issue of the NTK. The date on the NTK is 9 June. As such, only 20 days have passed.

Should this be escalated directly to the IAS? Or should an appeal be sent to the mail address above?
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: b789 on June 24, 2025, 10:36:07 pm
They have no idea who the driver is unless the Keeper blabs it to them. The driver is unknown (to them). They cannot pursue the known Keeper because their NtK does not fully comply with all the requirements of PoFA 2012.

They can claim as much as they like. You are dealing with a firm of ex-clamper scammers. Just because they say they can pursue the Keeper, does not make it a fact that would stand up in court.

If you really want to understand, then have a read of PoFA 2012 (https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2012/9/schedule/4/enacted) and Sao of this persuasive appellate case that would be referred to if it were ever to get to court (which it won't):

VCS v Edward (2023) (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/zra61px7l3if53o3bp9c4/VCS-v-EDWARD-Transcript.pdf?rlkey=bv4bba389nau5qpfglqkpjq5l&st=z9rpbiow&dl=0)
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on June 24, 2025, 08:38:35 pm
Thank you. I shall do that and report back.

For my own understanding only, why can they not pursue the keeper. In their correspondence (both the initial PCN and the NtK, if I recall correctly) they explicitly claim that they can and will do just that. Is this claim purely erroneous?
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: b789 on June 24, 2025, 06:06:01 pm
OK. You can appeal the PCN, but ONLY as the Keeper. They have no idea who the driver is and there is no legal obligation on the Keeper to identify the driver to an unregulated private parking firm.

The PCN is NOT compliant with all the requirements of PoFA to be able to hold the Keeper liable because they have failed to comply with paragraph 9(2)(a) of PoFA. There is no "period of parking" noted on the NtK (or the NtD for that matter).

Appeal with the following:

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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. PCS has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. PCS have no hope should you ever try to litigate this, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.

When the rejection comes through, show it to us and we will provide the advice on how to make an IAS appeal (also likely to be unsuccessful).

The one thing that is certain, is that this would never make it all the way to a court hearing because the cannot pursue the Keeper, only the driver and they have no idea who that is.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on June 24, 2025, 03:39:59 pm
No appeals submitted yet, neither to PCS nor IPC. Thus far, this has not been advised, and my general understanding was that this should be avoided? If that is not correct, then I'm mistaken.

That said, I'm not sure what grounds an appeal would be made on. You might recall when I began this post it was in the context of a lost PCN. There has never really been a claim that the parking charge was not valid, but for the possibility that the company was operating improperly.

The person who received the notice was parked in a bay that PCS asserts they should not have.

What would the appeal claim? Something about the actual parking event, or a claim about non-compliance of the PCN itself?

Brief summary of events up to this point:

1. PCN attached to windscreen - 7 May
2. PCN lost. This thread started.
3. PCN found. Questions raised about the status of PCS.
4. NtK received in mail - 9 June
5. Enquiries submitted to IPC, BPA and DVLA.
6. DVLA confirmed status of PCS - 23 June
7. IPC website observed to have added PCS to AOS list.

Only correspondence sent to IPC thus far was a request to the general inbox with no reference to this case. No correspondence has been sent to PCS as of yet.

Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: b789 on June 23, 2025, 03:09:21 pm
Without having to trudge back through the whole thread, please tell us the status of the PCN? Have you had a response to the appeal? Did you appeal to the IPC? All the rest about complaining to the DVLA is because they are the ultimate data controller of your data and they are shrugging of their responsibility for that.

You can now make a formal complaint to the ICO since the DVLA has exhausted their complaints process with the following points:

• Article 24 breach: the DVLA, as data controller, has no effective oversight over post-disclosure use by its KADOE recipients (e.g. PCS), particularly when those recipients act in breach of their trade body’s code and the trade body (IPC) refuses to engage.
• Failure of accountability, transparency, and fair processing.
• Systemic delegation of public responsibility to a private entity (IPC), which neither engages with the public nor enforces its own Code.

As for the PCN, you do nothing until you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC), assuming they even send one.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on June 23, 2025, 01:43:31 pm
Okay.

I must confess to be being a little confused then. I thought you just said that escalating the complaint will not help with my case.

What advice am I following that will result in our not paying a penny?

I worry I might have got multiple lines of advice mixed up.

Up to this point, I believe I have followed all of the guidance so far. Is it now just a case of waiting for the FoI response?

In the meantime, I will search the forum for instructions on the ICA complaint.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: b789 on June 23, 2025, 01:38:28 pm
You won't be paying a penny if you follow the advice.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on June 23, 2025, 01:33:35 pm
Okay. So in short, the £100 fee will have to be paid, then?
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: b789 on June 23, 2025, 01:32:00 pm
Still waiting for the FoI response.

You can raise a complaint about the DVLA response with ICA. Whilst this won't help you with your case, it will put the DVLA under the ICA spotlight. TO be honest, I don't have the time to handhold through this process. However, I did advise recently on a thread how to escalate to ICA. Do a search or wait and see iff someone else can assist you.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on June 23, 2025, 11:54:56 am
Was there not a response to the FoI request already? I thought this was mentioned in the post on 10 June?
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on June 23, 2025, 11:52:35 am
This is frustrating! I did visit the IPC site again a few days ago, I think, and saw that PCS was still not showing on the AOS list.


It has now been around two weeks since PCS sent the NtK by mail. IPC has now updated its AOS list to show PCS, and DVLA has responded that PCS is indeed permitted to request KADOE information. Is there a particular game plan at this point?
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on June 23, 2025, 11:48:51 am
Oh, given that you said to send an email to generate the boilerplate automatic response, I presumed it would be exactly that and that you would already know what it said. Apologies. Here is what I got from the IPC:

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Dear Sir or Madam
 
Please note, messages sent to this email address will not be responded to.
 
Appeal:  If you are trying to appeal a parking charge that has been issued to you by a parking operator that is a member of the International Parking Community (IPC), you must first appeal to the parking operator. The details of the appeals process will be detailed on the notice you will have received.
If they reject your appeal they will give you the ability to appeal to the Independent Appeals Service (IAS). Once you have been given that ability then you will only have 28 days to lodge the appeal.
Appeals can be lodged online at www.theias.org  You will need the Parking charge number and the vehicle registration number.
 
Complaint: If you believe that a member of the IPC has breached the Sector Code of Practice, you are able to submit a complaint. You must first submit your complaint to the parking operator, the details of this process will be detailed on any notice you will have received and will be documented on their website if applicable.
Should you remain dissatisfied with their response, you may escalate your complaint to the IPC via the online portal: portal.theipc.info/login/complaints
 
Assistance: If you need to enquire about the process of appealing a parking charge then you can visit www.theias.org  where you will find helpful information. If your enquiry is more complicated you will be able to lodge an enquiry by using the contact us tab, registering your details and sending your enquiry through the online portal. www.theias.org/contact-us
 
If you want to know whether you should have the opportunity to appeal a charge, please check the flowchart at www.theias.org
           
If you are asking about payments of a parking charge, then we are unable to assist you with this matter. You will need to contact the operator who issued the notice.
 
If you want to know if an operator is a member of the International Parking Community, please visit https://portal.theipc.info/aos-members
 
Finally, if your enquiry relates to The private parking sector single Code of Practice, this can be found by using the following link: irp.cdn-website.com/262226a6/files/uploaded/sector_single_Code_of_Practice.pdf
 
We hope you found this information useful
 
Kind Regards
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: b789 on June 23, 2025, 09:28:15 am
You never showed us the response from the IPC that you supposedly received "almost immediately"!

I am still waiting for the FoI request I made with the DVLA about this company. I note that they do now appeal on the IPC list of AoS members.

Before and after images of the list of AOS members:

(https://i.imgur.com/ppM9N7y.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/NwuZvYu.jpeg)
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on June 23, 2025, 09:03:37 am
Reply from DVLA:

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Thank you for your correspondence of 13th of June about the release of information
from the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency’s (DVLA) vehicle register. I have been
asked to formally review your case at Step 1 of our complaint’s procedure.
The DVLA takes the protection and security of its data very seriously and has
procedures in place to ensure data is disclosed only where it is lawful and fair to do
so and where the provisions of the Data Protection Law are met. The Agency must
strike a balance between ensuring the privacy of motorists is respected while
enabling those who may have suffered loss or damage to seek redress.
The Government’s policy is that parking operators must be a member of an
Accredited Trade Association (ATA) to receive DVLA data and DVLA will not
disclose data to parking companies who are not members of an ATA and looks
primarily to the ATA’s to monitor adherence to the code of practice and explore and
address non-compliance when it arises. The ATA makes stringent checks before
parking management companies can join. If a company fails to comply with the
relevant code of practice, it can be suspended or expelled, during which time no data
will be provided to it by the DVLA.
The company in question, Parking Control Solution Ltd is a member of the
International Parking Community Ltd (IPC) which is an ATA for the parking industry.
The IPC’s code of practice is published on its website at www.theipc.info under the
heading Accredited Operators Scheme. If a member of this AOS does not comply
with the code of practice, it may be suspended or expelled, during which time no
data will be provided to it by the DVLA. If you feel that any of the practices used by
the company do not comply with the IPC’s code of practice, you may wish to contact
the IPC via their website or by writing to IPC, at PO Box 662 SK10 9NR.
We have fully considered all the information available. If you feel that your
complaint has not been resolved, you can request escalation of your complaint to
Step 2 of the complaints process. Further options about our complaint procedure
can be found online at www.gov.uk/dvla/complaints.


I note frustratingly here that while the letter states that PCS is a member of IPC, it does not call it an accredited member, despite later referring to the Accredited Operator Scheme.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on June 19, 2025, 11:29:03 am
Yes. Almost immediately. Included it with the DVLA complaint.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: b789 on June 19, 2025, 10:46:08 am
Did you get any response from the IPC query email I also advised you to send?
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on June 19, 2025, 08:31:00 am
Just want to confirm, having submitted the complaint to DVLA, there is nothing else we should be doing?

The PCN/NtK has not yet been responded to in any, nor has PCS been contacted for any reason.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on June 13, 2025, 12:45:37 pm
Yes. Submitted.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: b789 on June 13, 2025, 12:19:33 pm
Did you submit the DVLA complaint?
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: jfollows on June 13, 2025, 11:50:16 am
info@britishparking.co.uk
aos@britishparking.co.uk for complaints
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on June 13, 2025, 11:20:47 am
Do you know if there is a similar email address for contacting the BPA? They only offer a webform for contact on the website. PCS displays the BPA Approved Member logo on the signage at the parking site as well as printing the IPC logo on the PCN.

I have attached a scan of the NtK.






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Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: DWMB2 on June 13, 2025, 10:45:59 am
Should we go ahead with the complaint above?
Yes - we were working on the assumption this had been done.

It would be useful to see the notice you have received.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on June 13, 2025, 10:14:18 am
A parking charge has now been received in the mail. Should we go ahead with the complaint above?
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: DWMB2 on June 12, 2025, 09:36:55 pm
There's a difference between being a member of the IPC, and being an Accredited Operator Scheme (AOS) Member. The latter is required in order to access keeper data under the KADOE contract.

Unless they have some sort of trading name, I can't see them on the AOS list: https://portal.theipc.info/aos-members/p/?page=1 (https://portal.theipc.info/aos-members/p/?page=1)
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on June 12, 2025, 09:20:11 pm
Just to be clear, this should be sent after an invoice is received in the post, I presume?
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: b789 on June 10, 2025, 02:32:52 pm
Send a complaint to the DVLA. Here’s how to make a DVLA complaint:

• Go to: https://contact.dvla.gov.uk/complaints
• Select: “Making a complaint or compliment about the Vehicles service you have received”
• Enter your personal details, contact details, and vehicle details
• Use the text box to summarise your complaint or insert a covering note
• You will then be able to upload a file (up to 19.5 MB) — this can be your full complaint or supporting evidence
That’s it.

The DVLA is required to record, investigate and respond to every complaint about a private parking company. If everyone who encounters a breach took the time to submit a complaint, we might finally see the DVLA take meaningful action—whether that means curtailing or removing KADOE access altogether.

For the text part of the complaint the webform could use the following:

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I am submitting a formal complaint against Parking Control Solutions Ltd (Company No. 08419177), who purport to be an IPC AOS member with DVLA KADOE access. They do not appear on the IPC’s publicly-published list of AOS members, and every enquiry to ipc@theipc.info elicits only an automated, non-responsive boilerplate.

Because they are not a current IPC-accredited operator, they have no legitimate contract with the DVLA to access keeper data. Their issuance of a PCN to me, the registered keeper, using DVLA-supplied data therefore amounts to unauthorised data access and misuse.

Furthermore, the IPC itself—acting as the Accredited Trade Association—has failed in its duty to maintain an accurate public register and to respond to reasonable requests for confirmation of membership.

Under UK GDPR and the Data Protection Act 2018, the DVLA, as Data Controller, is obliged to investigate any misuse of keeper data and the conduct of both data recipients and the ATA that governs them. I therefore request:

• A full investigation into Parking Control Solutions Ltd’s unlawful access and use of my personal data.
• An inquiry into the IPC’s failure to fulfil its ATA obligations.
• Appropriate enforcement action or sanctions against both PCS Ltd and the IPC, up to suspension or termination of KADOE access.

Please acknowledge receipt of this complaint and provide me with a reference number.

Then you could upload the following as a PDF file for the formal complaint itself:

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SUPPORTING STATEMENT

Complaint to DVLA – Unauthorised Access to Keeper Data & ATA Failure

Operator name: Parking Control Solutions Ltd (Company No. 08419177)
Date of PCN issue: [INSERT DATE]
Vehicle registration: [INSERT VRM]

1. Introduction

I submit this complaint to the DVLA regarding the conduct of Parking Control Solutions Ltd (“PCS Ltd”) in relation to their access and use of my personal keeper data, and the failure of the International Parking Community (“IPC”), as the Accredited Trade Association (ATA), to uphold its duties. PCS Ltd obtained my DVLA-supplied data purportedly under the Keeper At Date Of Event (KADOE) scheme, but as they are not listed on the IPC’s official AOS register, they hold no valid contract with the DVLA. This amounts to unauthorised data access. Moreover, the IPC has repeatedly refused to confirm or deny PCS Ltd’s accreditation status, responding only with automated, non-responsive boilerplate, thereby breaching its own obligations as regulator of the sector.

2. Unauthorised Access and Misuse of DVLA Data

Lack of KADOE Entitlement

PCS Ltd is absent from the IPC’s publicly-published list of Accredited Operator Scheme (AOS) members (see screenshot attached). Only AOS members may lawfully request keeper data under KADOE. By requesting—and using—my personal data without any such accreditation, PCS Ltd acted entirely outside the scope of the DVLA’s KADOE contract.

Misuse of Personal Data

PCS Ltd subsequently issued a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) to me, the registered keeper, on [INSERT DATE]. This use of my data was neither authorised (no valid KADOE contract) nor compliant with the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP), to which all accredited operators must adhere. Even if a KADOE request had been lawful, any misuse thereafter (misleading notices and refusal to engage) would breach the PPSCoP’s requirements for fair and transparent pursuit of charges.

3. Failure of the IPC as Accredited Trade Association

The IPC, charged by the DVLA to oversee AOS membership, has materially failed in two respects:

1. Failure to Maintain an Accurate, Public Register

No current mechanism exists for verifying whether PCS Ltd holds accreditation. The publicly-accessible AOS list omits PCS Ltd, yet they continue to claim membership. This undermines public confidence and the integrity of self-regulation.

2. Refusal to Provide Substantive Responses

Every enquiry sent to ipc@theipc.info regarding PCS Ltd’s status has received only an automated, non-responsive reply. The IPC thereby denies stakeholders any transparent means of confirming accreditation, in direct contravention of its ATA duties under the PPSCoP and the DVLA’s governance framework.

4. Legal and Regulatory Framework

Under UK GDPR and the Data Protection Act 2018, the DVLA acts as Data Controller for all personal data released under KADOE. It is incumbent upon the DVLA to:

• Investigate any unauthorised or unlawful disclosures of keeper data.
• Enforce the contractual terms of the KADOE scheme, including suspension or termination of access for breaches.
• Ensure that the IPC, as ATA, properly regulates its members and maintains transparent public records.

The actions of PCS Ltd and the inaction of the IPC collectively represent a failure of the DVLA’s governance safeguards and a breach of statutory obligations.

Additionally, the IPC include the DVLA logo on their website pages, which may or may not be authorised. Evidence of this is in the screenshots attached.

5. Requested Remedies

I respectfully request that the DVLA:

• Confirm that PCS Ltd held no valid KADOE contract and therefore accessed my data without authorisation.
• Investigate and sanction PCS Ltd for any misuse of my personal data and breach of the PPSCoP.
• Investigate the IPC’s compliance with its duties as ATA, and require them to maintain an accurate public register and to respond substantively to accreditation enquiries.
• Take enforcement action against both PCS Ltd and/or the IPC as necessary, up to and including suspension or termination of their KADOE access.

Please provide me with a formal acknowledgment of this complaint and a reference number for your records. I am prepared to supply any further information or documentation required to assist your investigation.

6. Attachments

• Screenshot of the IPC AOS members page showing omission of PCS Ltd
• Email correspondence log demonstrating only automated IPC replies
• Copy of the PCN issued by PCS Ltd

Name: [INSERT YOUR NAME]
Date: [INSERT DATE]

In order to obtain the IPC obfuscation response, send the following by email to contact@theipc.info which will generate the response that you can include as an attachment:

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Subject: AOS member query - Parking Control Solutions Ltd

Dear Sirs,

I am enquiring about a private parking operator, Private Control Solutions Ltd, company number: 08419177, that claims to be an AOS member of the IPC. However, they do not appear on your list of AOS members.

Can you please confirm whether this company is a current AOS member of the IPC and from what date they first received accreditation.

I look forward to your response.

Yours faithfully,

[Your name]

You can also include these screenshots showing that PCS do not appear in the list of IPC AOS members:

[img width=1047.5999755859375 height=1701]https://i.imgur.com/Mkrsm0e.jpeg[/img]

[img width=1047.5999755859375 height=1741]https://i.imgur.com/BPC63cu.jpeg[/img]
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on June 10, 2025, 01:18:08 pm
Okay… thank you for the update. Nothing has been received yet, but I suppose this means a letter should be expected in the mail.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: b789 on June 10, 2025, 12:19:07 pm
I have just received a response to the FOI request from the DVLA who confirm that PCS are an IPC member and were able to make KADOE requests from 14th March 2019.

They do not appear on the IPCs list of AOS members and I have sent a query to the IPC about this company and asked why do they not appear on their list.

We wait and see.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: DWMB2 on May 21, 2025, 02:15:06 pm
I would suggest that rather than us expending much effort exploring every possibility on the remote chance that one of them comes to pass, we wait and see what actually happens (if anything) and then advise accordingly.

Ignore it and if they do send a NtK, we can deal with it.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on May 21, 2025, 01:53:59 pm
So one could potentially interpret this a two separate breaches of that particular code?

One: the false claim on the signage that they are an approved BPA operator: and two: the false claim on the signage that they can and will retrieve personal data from the DVLA.

So the best course of action is to ignore?

Is it possible that they are in fact an accredited operator and that, for whatever reason, the list is simply not up to date? I ask this simply in considering every possible eventuality.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: b789 on May 21, 2025, 01:36:57 pm
They used to be a BPA member. However, that does not remove from the fact that they are not listed as an accredited AOS member of either the BPA or the IPC.

This may be because they have been sanctioned by the ATA for other transgressions or whatever. However, they have stated in their NtD that they may apply to the DVLA for the Keepers data, when they have no lawful authority to do so.

This constitutes a misrepresentation of authority, which would be a breach of the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 (CPUTRs), a breach of the DVLA’s KADOE Contract (which requires truthful statements about data usage and access) and a potentially reportable breach to the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO).
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on May 21, 2025, 01:02:06 pm
For the record, I have today visited the site to see what signage they have in place. I’ll upload photos later when I’m at my desk, but interestingly the signs state that PCS is an “Approved BPA Operator” and display the BPA logos.

To reiterate, the language on the sign is ‘approved’ not ‘accredited’, though this is presumably moot anyway given that they appear to no longer be a BPA member of any kind…
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on May 21, 2025, 07:22:41 am
Supposing between then and now, they were to update/renew their membership / acredited status?

It is my understanding, from some basic searches, that they would not have the right to use a new membership to make DVLA requests on a previously issued PCN. Is this correct?
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: b789 on May 21, 2025, 06:35:15 am
The site management would say that. However, if they are the party that contracted PCS, then they are jointly and severally liable for the actions of their agent.

For now, the Keeper should not do anything. If PCS apply to the DVLA without being accredited to the IPC, then they are acting unlawfully and breaching the keepers GDPR. You can guarantee that without accreditation, their contractual right to even issue PCNs is invalid.

They are not permitted to request DVLA data under PoFA before 4th June, so don’t expect anything from them before 7th-8th June, assuming they try to breach the KADOE contract and then lose their access permanently.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on May 21, 2025, 02:40:54 am
Here is the notice in full. It is printed on receipt paper. There is nothing on the reverse.

Also, the site management responded to say that "...under the terms of the agreement with PCS, [they] are unable to intervene in the appeals process..."

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Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on May 21, 2025, 02:30:53 am
I am attaching here an excerpt from the PCN where access to DVLA data is discussed.

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Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: DWMB2 on May 20, 2025, 11:35:32 pm
Accredited of course, edited. I always get them mixed up in my head for some reason.

Yes, now they've found the ticket, a copy of the same would be interesting to see.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: b789 on May 20, 2025, 11:30:05 pm
Does the "ticket" your friend found, mention anything about requesting keeper data from the DVLA? Perhaps you could show us the NtD, both sides.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: b789 on May 20, 2025, 11:21:09 pm
Unless they're an "Accredited Operator", they cannot lawfully access DVLA data under the KADOE contract.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: DWMB2 on May 20, 2025, 11:16:43 pm
Unless they have another trading name I'm not aware of, they certainly don't seem to appear on the list of Accredited Operators... Being a member and holding accredited operator status is not the same thing.

https://portal.theipc.info/aos-members/p (https://portal.theipc.info/aos-members/p)
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: b789 on May 20, 2025, 10:47:25 pm
OK. It wasn't there the other day.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on May 20, 2025, 10:39:56 pm
I see Parking Control Solutions on the IPC website. They have a list of all members, and PCS is on that list.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: b789 on May 20, 2025, 06:07:48 pm
PCS is not currently listed on the IPC list of approved operators which probably means that have had their accreditation suspended. The fact they are using correspondence showing that they are currently accredited is unlawful.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on May 20, 2025, 05:56:01 pm
I can see that PCS is a member of The IPC. Does this grant them the same powers and access as BPA?
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on May 20, 2025, 05:49:09 pm
This is my feeling as well, and I am trying to impress the sentiment upon her. That deadline discount is proving quite an effective tactic, though, and I imagine it does with many!
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: b789 on May 19, 2025, 10:00:55 pm
Why not make some easy money by your friend another speculative invoice for £100 and offer a mugs discount of 40% and get some free money. It's obviously an offer they can't refuse as they must have more money than sense!

Funding a scammer is not a sensible option. Doing so, makes them a pert of the problem, not the solution.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: DWMB2 on May 19, 2025, 08:33:09 pm
If they are indeed not a member of any AOS, then she's potentially giving them £60 that they have absolutely no way of recovering.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on May 19, 2025, 08:23:01 pm
The driver has now found the lost ticket, and I believe she intends to pay. I have advised her to at least try her luck with the site management first, but we'll see.

For my own intrigue, and perhaps for other users of the forum, I'll look forward to hearing the result of the FOI request.

As for the initial post, I don't seem to be able to edit it anymore, but I was attempting to be vague with my use of the term 'recipient' instead of owner, driver, keeper, etc.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: b789 on May 19, 2025, 02:47:24 pm
Good point. In this case, don't respond at all. If they do try and obtain your Keeper data from the DVLA, we'll know soon enough.

I did send an FOI request to the DVLA yesterday about this and should hopefully hear back no later than 17th June.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: DWMB2 on May 19, 2025, 09:31:44 am
A note on the above - if they are not a member of either AOS they may not be accessing keeper data at all, and just chancing their arm with windscreen tickets, in which case you'd be better off not responding at all.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: b789 on May 19, 2025, 12:28:32 am
Jeez!!! Stop panicking about the "mugs discount"! If that is all the driver is worried about, then just pay it and be done with it, irrespective of whether it has been issued correctly or fairly!

Parking Control Solutions used to be a BPA member but they do not appear on their list of accredited operators. They do not appeal on the ICP list either. This could be significant.

You need to edit your OP so that there is absolutely no reference to the fact that the Keeper may also be the driver. The Keeper only ever refers to the driver in the third person. Make sure that there is not damning "I did this or that", only "the driver did this or that". The Keeper and the driver are two separate legal entities.

As above, stop referring to it as a "fine". I will give you £100 for each and every occurrence of the word "fine" or even "penalty" you can show us on that Notice to Driver (NtD).

That Parking Charge Notice (PCN) is simply a speculative invoice from an unregulated private parking company for an alleged breach of contract by an unknown driver. The only way they can transfer that liability from the unknown driver to the known Keeper (once they apply to the DVLA for the Keepers data), is if their NtD and subsequent Notice to Keeper (NtK) is if those notices fully comply with all the requirements of PoFA 2012.

I will hazard a guess bet that the NtD did not comply. DO NOT appeal anything yet!!!!

On day 27 after the date the NtD was issued (not a day earlier or later), the Keeper (not the driver, whether the Keeper was or was not the driver) appeals with the following:

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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

For your information, my name and address for service as the Registered Keeper is:

[Your name]
[Your address]
[Post code]

As your Notice to Driver (NtD) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the Keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. PCS has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtD can only hold the driver liable. PCS have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.

As the Keeper is no longer in possession of the NtD, you won't be able to use their webform. The only way to submit the appeal will be by email. The only published email address for PCS is dpo@parkingcontrolsolutions.co.uk so use that and add that you are unable to use the appeals portal because you no longer have the NtD and for the DPO to pass the appeal on to the relevant team.

There is a reason for not appealing before day 27 after the NtD is issued.

Having appealed and provided your name and address for service, the operator should not apply to the DVLA for your data. If they do, and admit as much by issuing a postal Notice to Keeper (NtK), you have a valid complaint against them with the DVLA for unlawfully accessing your data unnecessarily from them.

So, forget the mugs discount and appeal ONLY as the Keeper on day 27, making sure you do not blab the drivers identity, inadvertently or otherwise. There is a good chance they will reject the appeal without issuing an NtK, which further strengthens your defence should they try to litigate the matter.

I will ask the DVLA why PCS do not appear on either the BPA or IPC lists of accredited operators and if they are still requesting DVLA Keeper data under the KADOE contract. If so, and they are not an accredited AOS member, under what authority are they being provided with DVLA Keeper data.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on May 18, 2025, 08:57:05 pm
Would that mail notice typically reinstate the 14-day discount? Again, assuming the windscreen notice had never been properly received, the recipient could not be reasonably expected to pay within the first 14 days.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: DWMB2 on May 18, 2025, 08:42:57 pm
A postal notice following a windscreen ticket should be issued such that it is delivered within "the period of 28 days following the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the notice to driver was given" - if they want to hold the keeper liable using Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act.

So if the parking event was on 7th May, the postal notice should be received by 2nd July, if they want to hold the keeper liable. Any later, and they'll not be able to recover the charge from the keeper.

Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on May 18, 2025, 08:27:51 pm
The date of the parking event was 7 May. According to office website, parking is managed by Parking Control Solutions. I shall edit the original post to contain these details momentarily.

The date of the event being 7 May, 14 days has not yet passed but is fast approaching. If we do not receive anything in the mail before the 14-day period, would that be a valid argument to not pay the full amount?

I will encourage the recipient to contact the site manager.
Title: Re: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: DWMB2 on May 18, 2025, 08:17:21 pm
A small note - if issued by a private company, it is not a fine (even though it feels like one).

Two initial questions:

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There was some intention to seek advice from the site manager to see if there would be any support to have the ticket thrown out. This was apparently not pursued.
It should be pursued now - this is by far the easiest way to resolve the matter.

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1. If I recall correctly, the general concept of a lower fine converting to a higher fine after a given period is a disputed mechanism amongst this community. Is there a reliable way to refuse the higher fee and pay the lower fee only, even after the deadline?
That's not quite the correct way round. The charge will be £X (usually £100). As an 'incentive' to pay up without a fuss, and in accordance with the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice, parking companies offer a discount of at least 40% on the charge if it is paid within 14 days. Once that period has passed, the company will not entertain paying at the reduced fee. Although this is only relevant if one is intending to pay.

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2. The notice having been lost, the recipient will presumably have to get in touch with the parking company first even to be able to make the payment. But this has me wondering—is there anything in the fact that no follow-up has been sent in the mail?
If no payment or appeal is received, the parking company will (should) apply to the DVLA for the details of the registered keeper of the vehicle, and will then send said keeper a parking charge notice by post.
Title: Parking ticket on office premises, ticket lost.
Post by: Karl on May 18, 2025, 08:08:12 pm
Looking for some general advice here.

On 7 May 2025, the recipient of the fine parked on the premises of their workplace with a valid permit properly displayed, but in a bay designated for pre-booked visitors. A notice was apparently attached to the window screen. Parking on the site is monitored by Parking Control Solutions.

The recipient of the ticket apparently forgot to pay the fine. There was some intention to seek advice from the site manager to see if there would be any support to have the ticket thrown out. This was apparently not pursued. The recipient of the ticket has now lost the ticket, and the date for the higher fee is fast approaching if not already past.

So here are my questions:

1. If I recall correctly, the general concept of a lower fine converting to a higher fine after a given period is a disputed mechanism amongst this community. Is there a reliable way to refuse the higher fee and pay the lower fee only, even after the deadline?

2. The notice having been lost, the recipient will presumably have to get in touch with the parking company first even to be able to make the payment. But this has me wondering—is there anything in the fact that no follow-up has been sent in the mail?

Couldn't one imagine a scenario whereby the ticket were removed from the vehicle by a mischievous passer-by, such that the recipient was not aware that any ticket had been issued? And in such a case, if no correspondence were sent by mail, how would the recipient be reasonably expected to pay the fine?

Thanks in advance.