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Title: Re: Code: 53 - Perrin Road J/W Watford Road - Restriction on entering a pedestrian zone
Post by: Hippocrates on August 27, 2025, 01:47:31 pm: https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/507720ce-0c98-47a3-a50f-ae1527a6d7b6
Title: Re: Code: 53 - Perrin Road J/W Watford Road - Restriction on entering a pedestrian zone
Post by: mitaab on August 26, 2025, 10:24:56 pm: Quote from: Hippocrates on August 26, 2025, 01:05:23 pm

I'll PM you. If I lose this, I'll pay half.

That is what I call an offer I can not refuse. You are on!

But before that, please can you elaborate on the link between James Bond's urine and the NoR, loool.
Title: Re: Code: 53 - Perrin Road J/W Watford Road - Restriction on entering a pedestrian zone
Post by: Hippocrates on August 26, 2025, 01:05:23 pm: I say Tribunal time as this is attempted extrapolation of the urine - even from here, Mr Bond! (Urine sample joke in Never Say Never Again, on telly tonight!)

I'll PM you. If I lose this, I'll pay half.
Title: Re: Code: 53 - Perrin Road J/W Watford Road - Restriction on entering a pedestrian zone
Post by: mitaab on August 25, 2025, 11:54:47 pm: Quote from: Hippocrates on August 23, 2025, 09:19:46 pm

No do not pay. Let's see the NOR and your formal reps. please.

As requested:

Please find attached the Representaions (via email), as a text file.

NoR pages:
https://ibb.co/Zz1kMZQx

https://ibb.co/QFpM8MqN

https://ibb.co/3ybhNxVG

FYI, the 14 days discount period is running out soon.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Code: 53 - Perrin Road J/W Watford Road - Restriction on entering a pedestrian zone
Post by: Hippocrates on August 23, 2025, 09:19:46 pm: Quote from: mitaab on August 23, 2025, 06:45:45 pm
Hi

I made representations on 22/05/2025. However, I received the Notice of rejection on 16/08/2025. This is way beyond the 56 days rule. Is this rule applicable in this case and worth taking it to the tribunal, or shall I pay the £80?
No do not pay. Let's see the NOR and your formal reps. please.
Title: Re: Code: 53 - Perrin Road J/W Watford Road - Restriction on entering a pedestrian zone
Post by: Incandescent on August 23, 2025, 08:44:28 pm: Quote from: mitaab on August 23, 2025, 06:45:45 pm
Hi

I made representations on 22/05/2025. However, I received the Notice of rejection on 16/08/2025. This is way beyond the 56 days rule. Is this rule applicable in this case and worth taking it to the tribunal, or shall I pay the £80?
The 56 days only applies to PCNs issued under the Traffic Management Act 2004. Your PCN was issued under the London Local Authorities & Transport for London Act 2003 where there is no limit, other than adjudicators not looking favourably on anything over 3 months. Of course you could take them to London Tribunals on the basis of excessive delay in responding to your reps, but a win is not guaranteed, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Code: 53 - Perrin Road J/W Watford Road - Restriction on entering a pedestrian zone
Post by: mitaab on August 23, 2025, 06:45:45 pm: Hi

I made representations on 22/05/2025. However, I received the Notice of rejection on 16/08/2025. This is way beyond the 56 days rule. Is this rule applicable in this case and worth taking it to the tribunal, or shall I pay the £80?
Title: Re: Code: 53 - Perrin Road J/W Watford Road - Restriction on entering a pedestrian zone
Post by: mitaab on May 21, 2025, 05:49:17 pm: Quote from: Incandescent on May 21, 2025, 01:04:26 am
We need to know what is in the panel below the Flying Motorbike sign. It is above the camera sign. So don't cough up just yet.

The photo below should show the details of the sign more clearly:

I am running out of the 14-day period.

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Title: Re: Code: 53 - Perrin Road J/W Watford Road - Restriction on entering a pedestrian zone
Post by: Incandescent on May 21, 2025, 01:04:26 am: We need to know what is in the panel below the Flying Motorbike sign. It is above the camera sign. So don't cough up just yet.
Title: Re: Code: 53 - Perrin Road J/W Watford Road - Restriction on entering a pedestrian zone
Post by: mitaab on May 21, 2025, 12:42:29 am: I guess there is no hope with this one...
Title: Re: Code: 53 - Perrin Road J/W Watford Road - Restriction on entering a pedestrian zone
Post by: mitaab on May 19, 2025, 09:55:55 pm: Quote from: Pastmybest on May 18, 2025, 05:15:43 pm
Looking at the GSV you have an argument that the signage is obstructed and before you can see it you are committed to the turn

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5604463,-0.3196665,3a,86y,142.02h,88.51t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sYAXQ3Pn6jihPckkqc4QHZA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D1.4857180470857259%26panoid%3DYAXQ3Pn6jihPckkqc4QHZA%26yaw%3D142.01809794496143!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDUxMy4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Thanks for that. I don’t think this GSV is up to date. I have uploaded the following photos which I took today. Can I still use the same argument?

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Title: Re: Code: 53 - Perrin Road J/W Watford Road - Restriction on entering a pedestrian zone
Post by: Hippocrates on May 18, 2025, 08:24:29 pm: @mitaab You have redacted the PCN and VRM.
Title: Re: Code: 53 - Perrin Road J/W Watford Road - Restriction on entering a pedestrian zone
Post by: Pastmybest on May 18, 2025, 05:15:43 pm: Looking at the GSV you have an argument that the signage is obstructed and before you can see it you are committed to the turn

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5604463,-0.3196665,3a,86y,142.02h,88.51t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sYAXQ3Pn6jihPckkqc4QHZA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D1.4857180470857259%26panoid%3DYAXQ3Pn6jihPckkqc4QHZA%26yaw%3D142.01809794496143!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDUxMy4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
Title: Re: Code: 53 - Perrin Road J/W Watford Road - Restriction on entering a pedestrian zone
Post by: mitaab on May 18, 2025, 04:53:59 pm: Any idea what my chances are with this PCN?

Your feedback is appreciated.
Title: Re: Code: 53 - Perrin Road J/W Watford Road - Restriction on entering a pedestrian zone
Post by: mitaab on May 16, 2025, 07:50:52 pm: Quote from: Pastmybest on May 16, 2025, 06:09:33 pm
video is a box junction can you post the pedestrian zone one

Terribly sorry for this error. I have corrected it. Now the link should take you to the right video.
Title: Re: Code: 53 - Perrin Road J/W Watford Road - Restriction on entering a pedestrian zone
Post by: Pastmybest on May 16, 2025, 06:09:33 pm: video is a box junction can you post the pedestrian zone one
Title: Code: 53 - Perrin Road J/W Watford Road - Restriction on entering a pedestrian zone
Post by: mitaab on May 16, 2025, 04:48:04 pm: Hi all

I quote @Hippocrates: If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I don't want to join the Mugged Club.

I need your experties with this one. Please help!

The PCN:

https://ibb.co/bgqRytcn

https://ibb.co/TMNpCSK5

https://ibb.co/xtcY9yNx

The CCTV video footage:

https://vimeo.com/1084836052?share=copy#t=0

Thank you in anticipation.