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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: kryba007 on May 14, 2025, 10:53:40 am

Title: Re: Two BW Legal letters of Claim - unknown contravention
Post by: b789 on May 14, 2025, 07:37:57 pm
As the Keeper of the vehicle at the time, it is your responsibility to keep the creditor updated with your address for service if you move after receipt of the original Notice to Keeper (NtK). You haven't done so.

What you now need to do is as advised above and to send a Data Rectification Notice (DRN) to the DPO's of both UKCPM and BW Legal, instructing them to update their records with your current address for service and to erase your old address. The highlighted words are there for a reason, so use them.

You will have to provide some proof of address, so anything you have with your foreign address such as a utility bill or bank statement or anything else that is official and shows your name and address will do.

You can also respond to the Letter of Claim (LoC) with the following, assuming that both PCNs were for the same vehicle and location, just different dates:

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Dear Sirs,

Re: Your Letters Before Claim – PCN References: [Insert both references]

I write in response to your Letters Before Claim concerning two alleged parking charges involving the same vehicle and location, on different dates. These appear to relate to substantially the same cause of action. Please be advised that any attempt by your client to issue multiple court claims for matters that should properly be addressed within a single set of proceedings would constitute an abuse of process. You are formally put on notice that I require these matters to be consolidated into a single claim, and I will apply for sanctions and costs should your client disregard this requirement.

I confirm that my address for service at this time is as follows, and I request that any outdated address be erased from your records to ensure compliance with your data protection obligations:

[Insert full foreign address]

The Data Protection Officers of both your client and BW Legal have been sent separate Data Rectification Notices with the necessary evidence.

I am permanently resident outside the jurisdiction of the courts of England and Wales. Should your client wish to pursue a claim, it must follow the correct procedure for serving proceedings outside the jurisdiction under Part 6 of the Civil Procedure Rules. Any attempt to issue a claim to a UK address previously associated with me, in the knowledge that I have provided a valid overseas address for service, will be treated as a deliberate attempt to frustrate service and may result in an application to strike out any proceedings as improperly served or to set aside any default judgment. Costs will be sought on that basis.

As both Letters of Claim are non-compliant with the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims and the Practice Direction – Pre-Action Conduct. They lack the detail required under paragraphs 3.1(a)-(d), 5.1, and 5.2 of the Protocol and fail to enclose the documents that must accompany a compliant Letter Before Claim.

Accordingly, I require your client to provide the following information and documents, without which I am unable to consider my position:

1. A clear explanation of the cause of action
2. Whether your client is pursuing me as the driver or the keeper
3. Full particulars of the alleged contraventions, including the times, duration of stay, and how the sum claimed has been calculated
4. A copy of the signage terms that are alleged to have been breached
5. Photographs of the vehicle allegedly in breach of those terms
6. A copy of the contract with the landowner authorising enforcement at the material time, in accordance with the PPSCoP
7. A site plan showing the placement of all signs
8. Photographs of the signage in situ at the time of the alleged events, showing legibility (font size, contrast, positioning, height)
9. A detailed breakdown of the original charge, any interest applied, and all additional costs
10. An explanation of the £70 ‘debt recovery’ fee — whether VAT is included, and if so, on what basis VAT is being charged
11. Clarification of whether the principal charge is alleged as a contractual fee (consideration) or damages for breach

If your client does not provide this information, I put you on notice that I will be relying on the cases of Webb Resolutions Ltd v Waller Needham & Green [2012] EWHC 3529 (Ch), Daejan Investments Ltd v The Park West Club Ltd (Part 20) Buxton Associates [2003] EWHC 2872, and Charles Church Developments Ltd v Stent Foundations Ltd & Peter Dann Ltd [2007] EWHC 855 in asking the court to impose sanctions on your client and to order a stay of the proceedings, pursuant to paragraphs 13, 15(b) and (c), and 16 of the Practice Direction, as referred to in paragraph 7.2 of the Protocol.

Until your client has complied with its obligations and provided this information, I am unable to respond properly to the alleged claims or consider my position in relation to them. It would be entirely premature — and a waste of both costs and court time — for your client to issue proceedings. Should your client do so regardless, I will seek an immediate stay pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the Practice Direction and request that the court order disclosure of the missing information and consider costs sanctions.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
Title: Re: Two BW Legal letters of Claim - unknown contravention
Post by: kryba007 on May 14, 2025, 03:26:08 pm

Just stick to the facts, don't discuss or debate.

*- what can the addressee provide by way of evidence in support of them residing at this address?

And what does this mean: They have also since moved country entirely, so correspondence would most likely need to be sent abroad (EU)

And whether or not they live there, is this address still registered with DVLA for a car of which the addressee is the keeper?

Thank you for your time. I'm assuming the registered keeper will also tell them that they have no intention of paying the fine, or is it a case of literally just informing them about the change of address without any extra information?

The registered keeper can provide a new tenancy agreement as well as any other information they may require?

And apologies about the wording. They will need to send correspondence abroad to get in touch with the registered keeper.

I believe the address should no longer be registered with DVLA. The car was sold to a new keeper before moving abroad.

Thank you :)
Title: Re: Two BW Legal letters of Claim - unknown contravention
Post by: H C Andersen on May 14, 2025, 01:50:25 pm
Then IMO the addressee needs to contact BWLegal and notify them of their current address for service.

Just stick to the facts, don't discuss or debate.

I have recently been made aware of 2 Letters of Claim, your client references **** and ***** dated *** and *** respectively in each case addressed to ******.

I would advise you that this is no longer my address for service as I now reside at ****** to which all future correspondence should be sent. *



*- what can the addressee provide by way of evidence in support of them residing at this address?

And what does this mean: They have also since moved country entirely, so correspondence would most likely need to be sent abroad (EU)

'Would most likely'? They either reside there or they don't!

And whether or not they live there, is this address still registered with DVLA for a car of which the addressee is the keeper?
Title: Re: Two BW Legal letters of Claim - unknown contravention
Post by: kryba007 on May 14, 2025, 11:32:30 am
Hi, here (https://imgur.com/a/lz0SqMt) are the first two pages, though if you need me to send through complete scans of everything, I can do that too when i get back.

Yes the keeper was originally registered at his parent's adress and is now visiting them from abroad. These letters were sent to this adress.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Two BW Legal letters of Claim - unknown contravention
Post by: DWMB2 on May 14, 2025, 11:00:41 am
Please show us the Letter(s) of Claim.

You mention that the keeper is now resident abroad - were the letters delivered to said foreign address? If not, how have they come into your possession?
Title: Two BW Legal letters of Claim - unknown contravention
Post by: kryba007 on May 14, 2025, 10:53:40 am
Hi all,

The registered keeper (and most likely driver during contravention) has received two letters of claim from BWLegal. The driver has tried checking what exactly the contravention was for on the PCM website, unfortunately however, it seems the details / way to check no longer exists.

The VRN is RE07 BXF
PCM Claim numbers: U0050157543 & U0050176329

Litigation starts on the 22nd of May for the first claim and 17th of May for the second claim.

Just wondering if I should follow this exact advice on the thread found here (https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4816822/newbies-private-parking-ticket-old-or-new-read-these-faqs-first-thankyou) (first comment).

The driver has ignored all correspondence up until now. They have also since moved country entirely, so correspondence would most likely need to be sent abroad (EU). The driver believes the PCN’s are for stopping on this road here GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5214929,-0.261981,3a,75y,314.57h,74.51t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sdVpmXtZORIwd9pW1SifrIA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D15.489999999999995%26panoid%3DdVpmXtZORIwd9pW1SifrIA%26yaw%3D314.57!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDUxMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D), but cannot be 100% certain due to not being able to cross verify with PCM. Back when the PCN would have been issued, there were no double yellows, and private car park signage wasn’t displayed clearly at that location.

Any advice, including: ‘just follow the forum thread you’ve listed’ would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you and have a nice day :)