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Title: Re: Redbridge - 53j Perrymans Farm Road - pedestrian zone restriction
Post by: Hippocrates on May 23, 2025, 08:01:32 pm
I will PM you my details. cp8759 just won yet another one.

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/53j-failing-to-comply-with-restrictions-on-vehicles-entering-a-pedestrian-zone/msg72659/#msg72659
Title: Re: Redbridge - 53j Perrymans Farm Road - pedestrian zone restriction
Post by: problemafterproblem on May 23, 2025, 04:07:05 pm
No worries. They will reject of course.  8)
Yeah you were right

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Title: Re: Redbridge - 53j Perrymans Farm Road - pedestrian zone restriction
Post by: Hippocrates on May 09, 2025, 10:40:02 am
No worries. They will reject of course.  8)
Title: Re: Redbridge - 53j Perrymans Farm Road - pedestrian zone restriction
Post by: problemafterproblem on May 08, 2025, 11:16:32 pm
Thanks Hippo will do hope for the best
Title: Re: Redbridge - 53j Perrymans Farm Road - pedestrian zone restriction
Post by: Hippocrates on May 08, 2025, 09:33:18 pm
Dear Sir or Madam

1. The signage is proscribed: term-time is meaningless.
2. The following case supports the argument of the proscribed sign: Conor Costelloe v London Borough of Merton Case No. 2240078999. The Adjudicator said: But what in my view is rather markedly non-compliant is the legend "School term time" in a separate panel below the grey backed signage.
3. Further, the application for a review of the above case was refused:

Review decision

Reasons for refusal

While I agree with a general proposition that an advisory or advance warning sign does not have to be compliant, the issue in this case is not simply about a non-compliant advance warning sign.
It is a reasonable inference that the advance warning sign was installed because motorists intending to turn left may find it difficult to appreciate the restriction before committing to the turn. The advance warning signage must therefore give a clear warning to render the overall signage adequate.
The use of the phrase "during terms times" is not authorised for the simple reason that it requires motorists to know what the term time are so it is just about non-compliance, it is about a lack of clarity as to when the restriction operates.
If an advance warning sign is needed and it is not clear, the Adjudicator is entitled to conclude the overall signage is inadequate.
The application is refused.


I also rely upon Papjinder Gahir v London Borough of Redbridge Case No: 224043551A.

In light of the above, I ask that the PCN be cancelled.

Yours faithfully

Do each separately.
Title: Re: Redbridge - 53j Perrymans Farm Road - pedestrian zone restriction
Post by: problemafterproblem on May 08, 2025, 08:16:02 pm
Hippo knows more about this one:

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/redbridge-53j-perrymans-farm-road-pedestrian-zone-restriction/msg64869/#msg64869
Thanks
i will try to contact hippocrates
I did a right turn from horns road i have visited my friend and left around 15:00 and got the second pcn unfortunately
Title: Re: Redbridge - 53j Perrymans Farm Road - pedestrian zone restriction
Post by: stamfordman on May 08, 2025, 04:41:01 pm
Hippo knows more about this one:

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/redbridge-53j-perrymans-farm-road-pedestrian-zone-restriction/msg64869/#msg64869
Title: Redbridge - 53j Perrymans Farm Road - pedestrian zone restriction
Post by: problemafterproblem on May 08, 2025, 02:53:45 pm
Hello i have seen similar topics about this road i have travelled to a friend of mine which lives on abbey road and got fines twice on the same road i have two PCNS can you advice me how to appeal this please i have attached the images of the pcns and the location
https://imgur.com/a/6Q5xS13
https://imgur.com/a/6fxiMQF

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