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Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: DWMB2 on November 21, 2025, 03:25:13 pm
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was one of the few ones who was looking forward to ging to court and them having to explain why they are taking someone with disabilities to court for a case they know in their mind had no basis or merit
Well done for sticking to your guns.

Re. them discontinuing, the way I often look at it is this - if they discontinue, your chances of success are 100%. If it goes all the way to a hearing, that chance is always at least slightly less than 100%.

On the rare occasions they go to hearings, the parking company is never in the room to receive a metaphorical spanking directly, instead it's a local hired legal who probably got sent the papers the day before.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: Tronster321 on November 21, 2025, 03:03:40 pm
Paying £27 trial fee is nothing to them. They push this all the way to the limit in the hope you are too gullible to understand there process. We only get to dal with a tiny number of these cases. Remember, these firms issue over 40,000 PCNs a day.

In the vast majority of these cases, the recipients just pay at the mugs discount rate or appeal and then pay. Tens of hundreds of thousands of these go all the way to a claim every year. Sadly, the vast majority of these recipients are too ignorant or fearful and end up paying these firms, what is by then an inflated sum when, if they did actually go to court and were unlucky enough to lose, they would not pay the fake added on fees.

In this case, you followed the advice, stood your ground and they folded at the last minute. A win and hopefully a life lesson.

Please show us the N279 Notice of Discontinuance.

It's a shame really, was one of the few ones who was looking forward to ging to court and them having to explain why they are taking someone with disabilities to court for a case they know in their mind had no basis or merit, such a shame really, but oh well

Link to NoD below,

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/04dhs4tcp2si4m8rqdmzj/M3FC91C1-Notice-of-Discontinuance.pdf?rlkey=cer792qc82dm7lsz1s314vqiu&dl=0

Again guys, thank you for ALL your help, any for anyone reading this. KEEP YOUR NERVE!!!! It worked for me, even when i F**KED up my defence as they said FUBAR! Can be fixed even when you make a mistake like i did haha
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: b789 on November 19, 2025, 11:58:15 am
Unfortunately, the vast majority end up as judgments in default.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: DWMB2 on November 19, 2025, 11:55:40 am
Paying £27 trial fee is nothing to them.
Indeed - ParkingEye are one of the most active companies. Tronster, I don't have the 2024 figures for claims, but in 2023 ParkingEye issued 32,347 county court claims. When you consider that the vast majority of those pay up before a hearing, and that during the same period they made 2.2 MILLION requests to the DVLA for keeper data (suggesting a similar number of PCNs issued), the majority of whom pay, £27 is essentially nothing.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: b789 on November 19, 2025, 11:47:42 am
Paying £27 trial fee is nothing to them. They push this all the way to the limit in the hope you are too gullible to understand there process. We only get to dal with a tiny number of these cases. Remember, these firms issue over 40,000 PCNs a day.

In the vast majority of these cases, the recipients just pay at the mugs discount rate or appeal and then pay. Tens of hundreds of thousands of these go all the way to a claim every year. Sadly, the vast majority of these recipients are too ignorant or fearful and end up paying these firms, what is by then an inflated sum when, if they did actually go to court and were unlucky enough to lose, they would not pay the fake added on fees.

In this case, you followed the advice, stood your ground and they folded at the last minute. A win and hopefully a life lesson.

Please show us the N279 Notice of Discontinuance.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: DWMB2 on November 19, 2025, 10:14:24 am
What's the next steps that I need to do?
If they've discontinued, it's over.

It would be good if you could show us the notice.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: Tronster321 on November 19, 2025, 09:43:49 am
So woke up to a notice of discontinuance this morning, which seems weird as they paid for the trail fee.

What's the next steps that I need to do?
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: Tronster321 on November 11, 2025, 07:57:49 pm
Nice first attempt. However, it is all over the place and the single most important thing is that you have not identified the driver and because the location is subject to byelaws, it is not relevant land for the purposes of PoFA which means that you cannot be liable as the Keeper. That should be the very first point. Additionally, if you want to argue other procedural failures, then these should also be right at the beginning. The rest of the narrative can follow.

You want the judge to look at it and before having to trudge through the rest of it, decide whether there is a case for you to answer. If there isn't, because they agree that the location is no relevant land and the driver is not identified, then there is nothing else other to deal with and they can finish early and go haver a cup of tea, or whatever. Judges want an easy life. Especially in the small claims track, they don't need overly complex argument for a simple matter.

Before you do any more, wait to see if they submit their WS by the deadline.

Having reviewed the court order against, I note so many inconsistencies and errors:

1. Contradictory deadlines and sequencing
The trial fee deadline is set as 14 November 2025, but the hearing date is listed as 12 December 2025 — less than a month later. That’s unusually tight and inconsistent with the usual 21–28 day minimum gap courts maintain between a trial fee deadline and the hearing date.

It leaves no practical time for the court to process a potential strike-out and notify parties before the scheduled hearing.

2. Inconsistent timeline for evidence exchange
The order requires parties to serve and file witness statements by 30 December 2025 — after the hearing date (12 December 2025). That is a fundamental procedural error.

Witness evidence obviously must be served before the hearing, typically 14 or 21 days in advance under CPR 27.4(3). Having a filing date after the hearing invalidates the order’s practical effect.

3. Possible clerical or cut-and-paste error
The text appears to be a hybrid of two separate orders:
• A trial fee order (about payment by 14 November 2025), and
• A directions order setting the evidence timetable (dated 30 December 2025).

This likely indicates the court staff used a template from another case or reused an earlier draft without adjusting the dates to fit this specific hearing.

4. Lack of consistency between hearing listing and directions
The “Notice of Allocation to the Small Claims Track (Hearing)” dated 2 October 2025 confirms the hearing on 12 December 2025.
The subsequent order dated 10 September 2025 (an earlier date) contains post-hearing directions (filing by 30 December 2025).
Chronologically, a 10 September order could not refer to a 12 December hearing set later in October.

Therefore, the two documents are out of sequence — the later “allocation” notice appears to supersede the earlier general directions, yet the later one doesn’t correct the erroneous post-hearing dates.

5. Failure to specify service method and compliance under CPR 27
The order requires that parties “serve and file” witness statements but omits:
• The standard requirement that they be exchanged simultaneously.
• Any reference to CPR 27.4(3) or Practice Direction 27A para 7.3 (which normally govern small claims evidence).

6. Ambiguous consequence wording
It states: “If your claim has been struck out, it will no longer exist. The hearing will be vacated unless a counterclaim survives.” While legally correct, this wording is non-standard and confusingly placed before the payment instructions rather than after the consequence section, which may confuse litigants in person.

I would suggest you take the initial five in this and send the following to the court and CC the claimant and yourself as follows:

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Subject: Claim [NUMBER] – Order (two pages) – URGENT clarification/correction under CPR 40.12 and CPR 3.1

Dear Listing Office,

I refer to the single two-page Order in this matter. The Order is internally inconsistent and incapable of compliance unless corrected. In particular:

1. Internal dating conflict
The Order’s heading states 2 October 2025, whereas the signature/footer states 10 September 2025. Please confirm which is the date of the Order and which governs the timetable.

2. Witness statements due after the hearing
The Order requires parties to “serve and file” witness statements and documents by 4:00 pm on 30 December 2025, i.e. after the listed hearing at 10:00 am on 12 December 2025. That is impossible and contrary to the small-claims regime (CPR 27.4; PD 27A para 7.3), which requires evidence in advance of the hearing.

3. Mediation extension that defeats the listing
The provision extending filing to seven days after any mediation would, in any scenario, push filing beyond the listed hearing. As drafted, the timetable cannot be complied with.

These are not trivial slips. Left uncorrected, they invite ambush, adjournment and wasted court time, contrary to the Overriding Objective.

Relief sought:

A. Identify the correct date of the Order and amend the document accordingly.
B. Vary the directions so that witness statements and documents are exchanged simultaneously no later than 14 days before the hearing (i.e. by 4:00 pm on 28 November 2025). If preferred, a 21-day timetable (21 November 2025) is also workable.
C. Disapply the “+7 days after mediation” filing provision as incompatible with the fixed 12 December hearing.
D. Direct that any party wishing to rely on material served after the corrected deadline must apply for relief, with costs consequences reserved.

Case-management notice:

Absent prompt clarification, the Defendant will proceed on a 14-day pre-hearing timetable to minimise prejudice. If the current defect necessitates an adjournment, the Defendant will invite the Court to give appropriate directions and deal with costs on a neutral basis (no order, or reserved), as the situation arises from the Order’s wording rather than any party default.

Given the proximity of the hearing, I request that corrected directions issue urgently.

Yours faithfully,

[Full name]
[Address]
[Email]

Personally, I would have just gone for a strike out application with costs. Had you gone for a summary judgment before allocation, you could have had £750 fixed costs plus the application and then an additional hearing for unreasonable behaviour costs on to of that.

The claimant does not have a case against the keeper if the driver is not identified.

Thanks for this, I see where you're coming from, but here we are and i am very thankful for all your help

Email has been sent.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: b789 on November 11, 2025, 05:00:40 pm
Nice first attempt. However, it is all over the place and the single most important thing is that you have not identified the driver and because the location is subject to byelaws, it is not relevant land for the purposes of PoFA which means that you cannot be liable as the Keeper. That should be the very first point. Additionally, if you want to argue other procedural failures, then these should also be right at the beginning. The rest of the narrative can follow.

You want the judge to look at it and before having to trudge through the rest of it, decide whether there is a case for you to answer. If there isn't, because they agree that the location is no relevant land and the driver is not identified, then there is nothing else other to deal with and they can finish early and go haver a cup of tea, or whatever. Judges want an easy life. Especially in the small claims track, they don't need overly complex argument for a simple matter.

Before you do any more, wait to see if they submit their WS by the deadline.

Having reviewed the court order against, I note so many inconsistencies and errors:

1. Contradictory deadlines and sequencing
The trial fee deadline is set as 14 November 2025, but the hearing date is listed as 12 December 2025 — less than a month later. That’s unusually tight and inconsistent with the usual 21–28 day minimum gap courts maintain between a trial fee deadline and the hearing date.

It leaves no practical time for the court to process a potential strike-out and notify parties before the scheduled hearing.

2. Inconsistent timeline for evidence exchange
The order requires parties to serve and file witness statements by 30 December 2025 — after the hearing date (12 December 2025). That is a fundamental procedural error.

Witness evidence obviously must be served before the hearing, typically 14 or 21 days in advance under CPR 27.4(3). Having a filing date after the hearing invalidates the order’s practical effect.

3. Possible clerical or cut-and-paste error
The text appears to be a hybrid of two separate orders:
• A trial fee order (about payment by 14 November 2025), and
• A directions order setting the evidence timetable (dated 30 December 2025).

This likely indicates the court staff used a template from another case or reused an earlier draft without adjusting the dates to fit this specific hearing.

4. Lack of consistency between hearing listing and directions
The “Notice of Allocation to the Small Claims Track (Hearing)” dated 2 October 2025 confirms the hearing on 12 December 2025.
The subsequent order dated 10 September 2025 (an earlier date) contains post-hearing directions (filing by 30 December 2025).
Chronologically, a 10 September order could not refer to a 12 December hearing set later in October.

Therefore, the two documents are out of sequence — the later “allocation” notice appears to supersede the earlier general directions, yet the later one doesn’t correct the erroneous post-hearing dates.

5. Failure to specify service method and compliance under CPR 27
The order requires that parties “serve and file” witness statements but omits:
• The standard requirement that they be exchanged simultaneously.
• Any reference to CPR 27.4(3) or Practice Direction 27A para 7.3 (which normally govern small claims evidence).

6. Ambiguous consequence wording
It states: “If your claim has been struck out, it will no longer exist. The hearing will be vacated unless a counterclaim survives.” While legally correct, this wording is non-standard and confusingly placed before the payment instructions rather than after the consequence section, which may confuse litigants in person.

I would suggest you take the initial five in this and send the following to the court and CC the claimant and yourself as follows:

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Subject: Claim [NUMBER] – Order (two pages) – URGENT clarification/correction under CPR 40.12 and CPR 3.1

Dear Listing Office,

I refer to the single two-page Order in this matter. The Order is internally inconsistent and incapable of compliance unless corrected. In particular:

1. Internal dating conflict
The Order’s heading states 2 October 2025, whereas the signature/footer states 10 September 2025. Please confirm which is the date of the Order and which governs the timetable.

2. Witness statements due after the hearing
The Order requires parties to “serve and file” witness statements and documents by 4:00 pm on 30 December 2025, i.e. after the listed hearing at 10:00 am on 12 December 2025. That is impossible and contrary to the small-claims regime (CPR 27.4; PD 27A para 7.3), which requires evidence in advance of the hearing.

3. Mediation extension that defeats the listing
The provision extending filing to seven days after any mediation would, in any scenario, push filing beyond the listed hearing. As drafted, the timetable cannot be complied with.

These are not trivial slips. Left uncorrected, they invite ambush, adjournment and wasted court time, contrary to the Overriding Objective.

Relief sought:

A. Identify the correct date of the Order and amend the document accordingly.
B. Vary the directions so that witness statements and documents are exchanged simultaneously no later than 14 days before the hearing (i.e. by 4:00 pm on 28 November 2025). If preferred, a 21-day timetable (21 November 2025) is also workable.
C. Disapply the “+7 days after mediation” filing provision as incompatible with the fixed 12 December hearing.
D. Direct that any party wishing to rely on material served after the corrected deadline must apply for relief, with costs consequences reserved.

Case-management notice:

Absent prompt clarification, the Defendant will proceed on a 14-day pre-hearing timetable to minimise prejudice. If the current defect necessitates an adjournment, the Defendant will invite the Court to give appropriate directions and deal with costs on a neutral basis (no order, or reserved), as the situation arises from the Order’s wording rather than any party default.

Given the proximity of the hearing, I request that corrected directions issue urgently.

Yours faithfully,

[Full name]
[Address]
[Email]

Personally, I would have just gone for a strike out application with costs. Had you gone for a summary judgment before allocation, you could have had £750 fixed costs plus the application and then an additional hearing for unreasonable behaviour costs on to of that.

The claimant does not have a case against the keeper if the driver is not identified.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: Tronster321 on November 10, 2025, 05:00:10 pm
As per b789's previous comment, we'll be better able to advise on a WS when ParkingEye produce theirs. In the meantime, from a quick skim there are some holes in your proposed WS... In section 13 of your WS for example, you say "I have never identified the driver", but further up in section 4 of the same document you identify the driver.

See what others say but I'd be minded to wait and see what ParkingEye come up with before writing much more.

Makes sense, just wanted to be prepared due to them not having to file a WS until AFTER the hearing date, don't wanna get caught with my pants down basically at the last minute.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: DWMB2 on November 10, 2025, 04:37:37 pm
As per b789's previous comment, we'll be better able to advise on a WS when ParkingEye produce theirs. In the meantime, from a quick skim there are some holes in your proposed WS... In section 13 of your WS for example, you say "I have never identified the driver", but further up in section 4 of the same document you identify the driver.

See what others say but I'd be minded to wait and see what ParkingEye come up with before writing much more.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: Tronster321 on November 10, 2025, 04:14:58 pm
For now, do nothing. Let's see if the Claimant notices and makes a request to the court to correct the deadline dates. On Monday 17th November, call the court and see if the claimant has paid the trial fee. If they have, you can start preparing your own Witness Statement (WS) but don't submit anything until you've seen the claimants WS first, if at all.

If you hear anything else about the hearing in the meantime, come back and let us know.

Hi there, So went passed the court today and popped in, they have paid the trail fee so it will go ahead on the 12th of December.

So i have drafted an Witness statement below
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/n2cbtz0powtwqgtm34pp9/Defendant-WS.docx?rlkey=b2x19la30arqq1odh24670v0y&dl=0

and

A skeleton Argument
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/atmwo9az6evbkgavv5ysb/Defendant-SA.docx?rlkey=3wxce5qmkmpxfomqojmayjgen&dl=0

What do i need to do next?
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: b789 on October 16, 2025, 10:19:18 pm
For now, do nothing. Let's see if the Claimant notices and makes a request to the court to correct the deadline dates. On Monday 17th November, call the court and see if the claimant has paid the trial fee. If they have, you can start preparing your own Witness Statement (WS) but don't submit anything until you've seen the claimants WS first, if at all.

If you hear anything else about the hearing in the meantime, come back and let us know.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: jfollows on October 16, 2025, 05:04:28 pm
I think you’re reading it right, and it does not make sense.

Friday 12 December hearing.

Fee to be paid by 14 November.

Serve documents by 30 December?
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: Tronster321 on October 16, 2025, 04:37:08 pm
“This link does not exist”

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/f2t0fpma04xp8zuol83fb/Court-Order-10-9-25.docx?rlkey=6oc1b44fl9xtswx7186xudocd&st=gabbmvmz&dl=0

try this one maybe?
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: jfollows on October 16, 2025, 03:21:26 pm
“This link does not exist”
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: Tronster321 on October 16, 2025, 03:19:57 pm
Hi again, after a long wait, they finally sent the court order but i'm confused by it, it says we have to file evidence AFTER the hearin date though, or am i reading it wrong?
Show it to us perhaps?

I edited the comment, it's in my drop box, sorry again
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: jfollows on October 16, 2025, 03:19:08 pm
Hi again, after a long wait, they finally sent the court order but i'm confused by it, it says we have to file evidence AFTER the hearin date though, or am i reading it wrong?
Show it to us perhaps?
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: Tronster321 on October 16, 2025, 03:16:38 pm
Hi again, after a long wait, they finally sent the court order but i'm confused by it, it says we have to file evidence AFTER the hearin date though, or am i reading it wrong?

order is in Dropbox
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/mhj6us9xjfs21vv6140py/P.E-Reply-to-Defence.pdf?rlkey=ah8vsj882xjhxijimj7kkqlhb&st=g41o788x&dl=0
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: b789 on June 20, 2025, 09:13:22 am
Mediation is a waste of time. I tis not part of the judicial process and is without prejudice. The mediator is not legally trained and if they start to offer "advice" on your prospects or anything else, just remind them that the claimant has a copy of your defence and they can refer to that. You offer £0 and it will be over in minutes.

You have ages until a WS would be due. There are examples of other WS on the forum, so have a look at a few of the more recent ones to get a flavour of what heeds to go in and how to format it. A WS is always written in the first person. It is your side of the story.

You really do not want to compose your WS until you've seen the claimants WS. I suggest you get on with your life until the order comes in with the hearing date and other deadlines.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: Tronster321 on June 19, 2025, 10:11:02 pm
Yes, that is another option. However, do you really want the claim 'stayed'. Requesting a stay of proceedings (instead of immediate strike-out) can serve as a strategic move in certain situations. In your case, it would primarily be used to pause the case and force the Claimant to explain and correct procedural failings — rather than asking the court to dismiss the claim outright.

A strike-out application is cleaner and more final. If the court considers the late Reply to Defence as harmless (which can happen in small claims), a stay might just delay the inevitable. If you don’t make the stay request through a formal N244 application, the court is unlikely to act on it.

Are you eligible for assistance with court fees? If you are, then you should definitely make an N244 application for strike out. You could incorporate all of the arguments into a single N244 application, asking for:

• The claim to be struck out under CPR 3.4(2)(a) as disclosing no reasonable grounds (due to PoFA not applying and no driver pleaded), and/or
• The Claimant’s Reply to Defence to be struck out or disregarded due to late filing and failure to comply with CPR 15.8 and PD15 para 6 and/or
• A stay of proceedings pending clarification or permission from the court.

This all has to be done before the claim is allocated to track otherwise it is not likely to be considered within the time constraints of an actual hearing. Once it is allocated, you can please everything in your WS but most judges will not have the time or inclination to do more than skim read it.

This is the reasoning for making the application:

The 14-day expectation for replying to a defence comes from Practice Direction 15, paragraph 6. The requirement to include the Directions Questionnaire is found in CPR 15.8(a). The ability to file further pleadings after a Reply is restricted under CPR 15.9.

So, if ParkingEye waited 63 days to file their Reply to Defence without applying for an extension and without complying with CPR 15.8, they have breached procedural expectations and potentially the rules.

Hi again, thank you so much for your advice, i wish i had come sooner but oh well we are here now,

Gonna go with the trial (my partner earns too much to get discounded fees, Feel i wanna fight this, even if i lose it wont be too bad, just pay within 28 days, Just hoping they discontiue like other cases but i'm probably that 1% you keep mentioning haha

Gonna get ready for my witness statement, but i'm going to point out the procedual defects in their claim in my witness statement (late filling, incorrect infomation provided etc.)


The second option is to do nothing for now, wait for the court to set a hearing date, and defend the claim at the final hearing. You’ll be able to raise all the same points — that PoFA doesn’t apply, that you haven’t been identified as the driver, and that there’s no valid claim. Small claims hearings are informal, and costs are limited, so this route avoids the upfront cost and still gives you a good chance of winning. The downside is you’ll need to prepare a witness statement and attend a hearing, which might take a few months.

So with my Witness statement, how exactly do i plead this?

Got my mediation appointment on 21/7/25 for 3 hours. So lets see what happens there i suppose.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: b789 on June 14, 2025, 01:08:47 pm
Yes, that is another option. However, do you really want the claim 'stayed'. Requesting a stay of proceedings (instead of immediate strike-out) can serve as a strategic move in certain situations. In your case, it would primarily be used to pause the case and force the Claimant to explain and correct procedural failings — rather than asking the court to dismiss the claim outright.

A strike-out application is cleaner and more final. If the court considers the late Reply to Defence as harmless (which can happen in small claims), a stay might just delay the inevitable. If you don’t make the stay request through a formal N244 application, the court is unlikely to act on it.

Are you eligible for assistance with court fees? If you are, then you should definitely make an N244 application for strike out. You could incorporate all of the arguments into a single N244 application, asking for:

• The claim to be struck out under CPR 3.4(2)(a) as disclosing no reasonable grounds (due to PoFA not applying and no driver pleaded), and/or
• The Claimant’s Reply to Defence to be struck out or disregarded due to late filing and failure to comply with CPR 15.8 and PD15 para 6 and/or
• A stay of proceedings pending clarification or permission from the court.

This all has to be done before the claim is allocated to track otherwise it is not likely to be considered within the time constraints of an actual hearing. Once it is allocated, you can please everything in your WS but most judges will not have the time or inclination to do more than skim read it.

This is the reasoning for making the application:

The 14-day expectation for replying to a defence comes from Practice Direction 15, paragraph 6. The requirement to include the Directions Questionnaire is found in CPR 15.8(a). The ability to file further pleadings after a Reply is restricted under CPR 15.9.

So, if ParkingEye waited 63 days to file their Reply to Defence without applying for an extension and without complying with CPR 15.8, they have breached procedural expectations and potentially the rules.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: Tronster321 on June 14, 2025, 12:32:16 pm
Having reviewed this case and considering it is one that only came to us after the defence had been filed, here is my view on the options you have before you right now if you intend challenge the claim:

The Claimant's pleaded cause of action is a breach of contract by either the driver (not identified) or the keeper (not liable under PoFA due to statutory land), for failing to pay a parking charge incurred on private land.

You have two main options now that the weaknesses in the claim are clear.

First, you can apply to the court to have the claim struck out before it goes any further. This is done by filling in form N244 and asking the court to strike out the claim because it has no legal basis. The argument is that the claim relies on keeper liability under the Protection of Freedoms Act, but that Act doesn’t apply here because the land is covered by byelaws. The claim also doesn’t say you were the driver, so there’s no other basis for liability. The court might agree and strike out the claim, which would end the case now. The downside is you’ll need to pay a court fee of £313, and if the court refuses the application, you won’t get that money back. There’s also a small risk you might be ordered to pay a bit of the claimant’s costs for the hearing.

The second option is to do nothing for now, wait for the court to set a hearing date, and defend the claim at the final hearing. You’ll be able to raise all the same points — that PoFA doesn’t apply, that you haven’t been identified as the driver, and that there’s no valid claim. Small claims hearings are informal, and costs are limited, so this route avoids the upfront cost and still gives you a good chance of winning. The downside is you’ll need to prepare a witness statement and attend a hearing, which might take a few months.

In short, one option gives you a shot at ending the case early but costs more and carries a small risk. The other option takes longer but is cheaper and still gives you a strong defence at the hearing.

Hi, thank you so much for this

I don't mind waiting so i think option 2 will be the one for me. However i've done a little reading and was wondering if there is maybe a 3rd option

Which is to ask the court to have the claim "stayed" and force the claimant to explain why it took 63 days to file this when it should have been 14 days to send a "reply to defence". According to CPR 15.8 it must be accompinied by an additional DQ

15.8  If a claimant files a reply to the defence—

(a)the claimant must—

(i)file the reply with a directions questionnaire; and

(ii)serve the reply on the other parties at the same time as it is filed; and

(b)the reply should form one document with any defence to counterclaim, with the defence to counterclaim following the reply, unless the dates on which they are due to be filed differ from one another.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: b789 on June 14, 2025, 11:19:51 am
Having reviewed this case and considering it is one that only came to us after the defence had been filed, here is my view on the options you have before you right now if you intend challenge the claim:

The Claimant's pleaded cause of action is a breach of contract by either the driver (not identified) or the keeper (not liable under PoFA due to statutory land), for failing to pay a parking charge incurred on private land.

You have two main options now that the weaknesses in the claim are clear.

First, you can apply to the court to have the claim struck out before it goes any further. This is done by filling in form N244 and asking the court to strike out the claim because it has no legal basis. The argument is that the claim relies on keeper liability under the Protection of Freedoms Act, but that Act doesn’t apply here because the land is covered by byelaws. The claim also doesn’t say you were the driver, so there’s no other basis for liability. The court might agree and strike out the claim, which would end the case now. The downside is you’ll need to pay a court fee of £313, and if the court refuses the application, you won’t get that money back. There’s also a small risk you might be ordered to pay a bit of the claimant’s costs for the hearing.

The second option is to do nothing for now, wait for the court to set a hearing date, and defend the claim at the final hearing. You’ll be able to raise all the same points — that PoFA doesn’t apply, that you haven’t been identified as the driver, and that there’s no valid claim. Small claims hearings are informal, and costs are limited, so this route avoids the upfront cost and still gives you a good chance of winning. The downside is you’ll need to prepare a witness statement and attend a hearing, which might take a few months.

In short, one option gives you a shot at ending the case early but costs more and carries a small risk. The other option takes longer but is cheaper and still gives you a strong defence at the hearing.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: Tronster321 on June 13, 2025, 05:38:29 pm
Hi guys

So they have filed a "reply to defence" didn't know they was allowed to do this without permission of the court

Drop box link below
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/mhj6us9xjfs21vv6140py/P.E-Reply-to-Defence.pdf?rlkey=ah8vsj882xjhxijimj7kkqlhb&st=g41o788x&dl=0

Just a few things

1. i've highlighted on page 22 the area i parked, adn the photos posted before show no signage in that area depsite them stating there is.

2. should i reply to this or not?
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: b789 on May 20, 2025, 03:30:50 pm
Thank you for catching that. My bad. The N180 should be emailed to dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and to info@parkingeye.co.uk and CC yourself.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: Tronster321 on May 20, 2025, 03:18:03 pm
When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.

Should I be sending this to DCB legal if they haven't been appointed?
No, clearly not in this case.

thank you, due to my conditions I am told I'm quite "literal thinking" so don't want anyone to think I'm insulting them by asking questions. it's just how my mind works unfortunately :(   
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: jfollows on May 20, 2025, 03:12:02 pm
When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.

Should I be sending this to DCB legal if they haven't been appointed?
No, clearly not in this case.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: DWMB2 on May 20, 2025, 03:11:54 pm
No - send it to ParkingEye if they're running the case themselves.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: Tronster321 on May 20, 2025, 03:07:02 pm
When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.

Should I be sending this to DCB legal if they haven't been appointed?
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: b789 on May 20, 2025, 02:29:33 pm
So, it is a ParkingEye issued claim. They are confident that they can win this. Your defence is in, so there is nothing more you can do about that. You will have to wait and see their Witness Statement (WS) once you know the deadlines for the hearing.

Complete the N180 DQ using the following information:

Having received your own N180 (make sure it is not simply a copy of the claimants N180), do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/673341e779e9143625613543/N180_1124.pdf

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

• The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".

• To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".

• C1: "YES"

• D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question
.."

• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option

• F3: "1".

• Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: Tronster321 on May 20, 2025, 09:23:54 am
No, you don't "just pay it". First we need too see the N1SDT Claim Form that has the Particulars of Claim (PoC) and it will say whether ParkingEye are pursuing this themselves or using a bulk litigator such as DCB Legal to pursue it.

We could also do with seeng the original Notice to Keeper (NtK) that was received. Only the original, no reminders please. It will be interesting to see if ParkingEye have tried to rely on PoFA in the NtK.

Depending on whether the claim is direct from ParkingEye or DCB Legal, any additional fake costs such as £70 (if DCB Legal) or even £25 (if PE only) should not be awarded in the small claims track. It's just a pity you didn't;'t come here first as the defence template would have covered this point.

For now, just follow the advice and show us the Claim Form (redacting only your personal details, the Claim number and the MCOL password. Make sure that all dates remain visible.

Also, show s the original NtK.

Hi, thanks for this, please see below the claim they have made, had to email the business support centre as i cannot find the form the court sent,

Thank you for calling the Civil Contact team for the Civil National Business Centre,

Please see your case details below as requested.

Claim No: **********

Claimant: PARKINGEYE LTD

Claimant solicitor: N/A

Telephone: N/A

Reference: *************

Claim amount: £210.00 = £125 parking fine, £50 legal representative fee & £35 Court fee

Particulars of claim: CLAIM FOR MONIES OUTSTANDING FROM THE DEFENDANT IN RELATION TO A PARKING CHARGE (REFERENCE **************) ISSUED ON 21/12/2024. THE SIGNAGE CLEARLY DISPLAYED THROUGHOUT LONDON AQUATICS CENTRE, QUEEN ELIZABETH OLYMPIC PARK, LONDON, E20 2ZQ STATES THAT THIS IS PRIVATE LAND, MANAGED BY PARKINGEYE LTD, AND THAT IT IS SUBJECT TO TERMS AND CONDITIONS, INCLUDING THE PAYMENT OF PARKING TARIFFS, BY WHICH THOSE WHO PARK AGREE TO BE BOUND (THE CONTRACT). PARKINGEYE'S ANPR SYSTEM CAPTURED VEHICLE ******* ENTERING AND LEAVING THE SITE ON 18/12/2024, AND PARKING WITHOUT A VALID PAID PARKING TICKET. PURSUANT TO SCH 4 OF THE PROTECTION OF FREEDOMS ACT 2012, NOTICE HAS BEEN GIVEN TO THE REGISTERED KEEPER, MAKING THEM LIABLE FOR THE PARKING CHARGE PAYABLE UPON BREACH.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

We could also do with seeng the original Notice to Keeper (NtK) that was received. Only the original, no reminders please. It will be interesting to see if ParkingEye have tried to rely on PoFA in the NtK.

Never received them, I was away from home for a long time due to medical issues and have never found the letters, only knew about it when I received the court claim months later
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: b789 on May 18, 2025, 05:29:19 pm
No, you don't "just pay it". First we need too see the N1SDT Claim Form that has the Particulars of Claim (PoC) and it will say whether ParkingEye are pursuing this themselves or using a bulk litigator such as DCB Legal to pursue it.

We could also do with seeng the original Notice to Keeper (NtK) that was received. Only the original, no reminders please. It will be interesting to see if ParkingEye have tried to rely on PoFA in the NtK.

Depending on whether the claim is direct from ParkingEye or DCB Legal, any additional fake costs such as £70 (if DCB Legal) or even £25 (if PE only) should not be awarded in the small claims track. It's just a pity you didn't;'t come here first as the defence template would have covered this point.

For now, just follow the advice and show us the Claim Form (redacting only your personal details, the Claim number and the MCOL password. Make sure that all dates remain visible.

Also, show s the original NtK.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: Tronster321 on May 18, 2025, 05:03:30 pm
The particulars of claim would have been on the Claim Form received through the post (the same one that contained the details used to access MCOL)

I will try to find it for you tomorrow
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: Tronster321 on May 18, 2025, 05:02:53 pm
FUBAR.

The location is not relevant land for the purposes of PoFA and there was no Keeper liability. If the Keeper has blabbed the drivers identity, then that is a waste of a "golden ticket".

Kinda wish i had found this forum before posting anything, So should i just pay and be done with it all?
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: b789 on May 18, 2025, 04:07:25 pm
FUBAR.

The location is not relevant land for the purposes of PoFA and there was no Keeper liability. If the Keeper has blabbed the drivers identity, then that is a waste of a "golden ticket".
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: DWMB2 on May 18, 2025, 01:29:03 pm
The particulars of claim would have been on the Claim Form received through the post (the same one that contained the details used to access MCOL)
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: Tronster321 on May 18, 2025, 01:04:27 pm
If you're at DQ stage then we're rather late in the process... Let's please see ParkingEye's particulars of claim, and your defence.

this was my defence, however reading it back i don't think it will be a very good one

Defence
According to the claim they have filed, I am going to take quotes and break it down in my defence.

The signage displayed throughout the London Aquatics Centre

The signage they are referring to is no signs at the entrance letting you know you must pay for parking; it also has 2 barriers in the upright position so this would suggest there is no payment for parking otherwise the barrier would be down. Also, when parking in the disabled bays at the end of the car park, it has no signage whatsoever nears the spaces to suggest you even must pay for parking.

You must provide clear signage that I can see from my car seat when parked so I don’t have to leave my vehicle due to having a disability under the 2010 equality act which I can document I have. (18.9 of the BPA CODE of PRACTICE). (Evidence will be supplied to prove this is not the case as of 28/03/2025) They have signed up to the BPA regulatory body to which they are not following the rules they agreed to.

Also 19.2 of the BPA states Entrance signs play an important part in establishing a parking contract and deterring trespassers. Therefore, as we l as the signs you must have te ling drivers about the terms and conditions for parking, you must also have a standard form of entrance sign at the entrance to the parking area. Entrance signs must te l drivers that the car park is managed and that there are terms and conditions they must be aware
of. Entrance signs must fo low some minimum general principles and be in a standard format. The size of the sign must take into account the expected speed of vehicles approaching the car park, and it is recommended that you fo low Department for Transport guidance on this. See Appendix B for an example of an entrance
sign and more information about their use. Again not followed in this carpark as no signage at the entrace of the carpark (photograhic evidence will be supplied)

Also this is the first I am hearing of ANPR cameras being used, but again does not state how my data is protected for me to see within the carpark, the excuse of I can read it online does not suffice, they have a responsibility to inform me I am being recorded (as it’s not a public space) and how my data is protected
under the 2018 Data Protection Act

The claim is also incredibly vague, it does not state the times I was in the carpark, just the date so I’m not sure even if I’m within the grace period allowed with the BPA of 10 minutes

Regarding the 2010 Equality Act, I have requested reasonable adjustment under section 20 of the act with parking eye (I am diagnosed with ADHD, Autism & Dyslexia), to which parking eye and all agents associated with parking eye have ignored, not acknowledgement of my conditions which I have explained due to learning difficulties and needing software on my computer to help me read complex information. Just pushed aside as they do not care and only care about collecting money (which evidence will be supplied to the court), which is why there will be a counter claim
for disability discrimination under section 21 of the 2010 Equality Act. I requested reasonable adjustments in the form of email which would be no different from providing larger text or brail text for blind people.

Also, the legal representative fee, last time I check this was less then £10,000 which would put it to the small claim tract, in which you cannot claim legal fees other than court fees and witness fees unless a judge orders it. So, I am also confused as to why they are also trying to claim for this.

They also offered a without prejudice offer as ADR, to which I declined and said I wished to do this with a mediator which i offered to spit the cost 50/50 as I feel this is fairer to myself as I am not legally trained and have disabilities and did not fully understand what this actually meant, again ignored by parking eye. So can only assume they have declined this as a court letter has come through. Which does not comply with the courts pre
action protocol of trying to deal with this without court proceedings. So I will be asking the court to make mediation
mandatory and for parking eye to attend it.

For a contract to exist, the writer of the contract must ensure that the person reading it can understand this, as I have explained I have learning difficulties to which unless I use the software on my computer, cannot decipher information very well (to which I receive Personal Independence Payment for). So therefore,
I would class the contract and non-binding due to parking eye not taking into consideration of my conditions despite me requesting reasonable adjustments.

For their claim, how do i find it? checking on MCOL and all i can find is my defence and my AOS. not their claim, any idea where it maybe located? If not i will ring the court tomorrow and ask them to email it to me and forward to you guys

But the claim as i said in my defence is very vague, no timings on the claim, just that i entered on a date.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: DWMB2 on May 18, 2025, 11:05:11 am
If you're at DQ stage then we're rather late in the process... Let's please see ParkingEye's particulars of claim, and your defence.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: Tronster321 on May 18, 2025, 09:40:51 am
Hi Guys, Thanks so much for this

So this is currently in DQ stage, i've got to file mine by the 27th, but i saw on another post you guys did what i need to write and get it sent to them

Weirdley this is not being represented by either DCBL or DCB Legal. This one just went strait to small claims court, no collection agencies involved it seems. which i also found quite weird.

https://imgur.com/a/WDFYhwC
LINK TO ALL PHOTOS

So been to the carpark to have another look, it's the london aquatic centre, there is a sign on entry but the confusing is the barriers being up and it stating pay on exit, but when you're exiting at the barriers. no way to pay. Not sure if the signs were lit enough though?

as you can see in the photos, there is no clear signage about prices where i parked, for reference, i would have been parked where the fiat 500 is parked. I usually park in disabeled bays but couldn't find them haha

I have stupidly identified myself as the driver, well i think as i filed a defence (again all done before i saw this forum)

Any advice you guys can give me i would greatly appricite
 

 
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: b789 on May 07, 2025, 09:21:08 pm
If PE were to try and litigate this through DCB Legal, you would simply have to defend it and it would be discontinued. Also, for some reason DCB Legal claims on behalf of ParkingEye are always in breach of CPR 16.4(1)(a), which means that there is also an excellent chance that the claim will be struck out using CEl v Chan and CPMS v Akande.
Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: H C Andersen on May 07, 2025, 10:47:28 am
Following on from jfellows, you hold a driving licence and thereby are presumed in law to have a basic level of competence e.g. to read and understand signs and directions etc. Is your condition one which requires you to notify DVLA? If not, then IMO the law would treat you as any other driver.

Title: Re: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: jfollows on May 07, 2025, 08:57:53 am
Please read https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/

Without reference to your condition, the essentials are that you entered the car park, read the signs, and indicated your acceptance of the contract terms by parking.

The signs will have said that if you didn’t comply you agree to pay £100 or something similar.

If the signs are not clear, then possibly no contract was entered into.

Presumably you identified yourself as the driver to Parking Eye through your previous correspondence.

Please post up any relevant documents, sent and received, otherwise we’re limited in how we can help you.
Title: Parkingeye Court proceedings
Post by: Tronster321 on May 07, 2025, 08:50:38 am
So not sure where to go with this so thought id try a forum

So basically got a private PCN for being in a gym carpark for i think it was around 20 minutes, the barriers where up and no clear signage about paying for anything, so went in and thought nothing of it,

6 months later I receive a court application and being told i owe £215 due to not paying for breach of contract. Again i thought there wasn't a fee to pay, i have since been back to the carpark during the day time to see a sign is there (and back at night but the sign is in pretty much darkness), but it doesn't mention anything about rates, just that you pay inside, barriers still in the upright position, however where i parked in the carpark space, no signs anywhere to suggest you have to pay, no rates, tariffs. anything basically. There is a sign about 100m away with a sign with things on it like prices etc

So i contacted parking eye's enforcement team, explained the situation and low and behold, no dice and payment is due, they say they wrote to me to which i wasn't living at the property at the time, i had moved out for a few months due to my medical conditions, by the time i found out, they said my chances for appeal had passed and that i had to pay.

They are saying once i drove into the carpark, i essentially agreed into a contact. but this is where it gets tricky

So i would be classed as "severely mentally impaired". I received PIP at the enhanced rate and have a blue badge based on my neurological conditions (Autism, ADHD & Dyslexia to name a few, all diagnosed ) and i require specialist software in order to be able to decipher words and letters. My council tax is also reduced due to having severely mentally impaired conditions.

So what i want to know is, should i fight this or just pay up? i have explained my conditions to parking eye and it's very much "F**K your conditions, pay me". I'm sure you cannot force a contract onto someone with severe neuro conditions and wasn't aware of them in the first place.

Any advice would be appreciated (it's probably going to be pay up you messed up and drop your pride, if so is their a way to reduce the bill?), I've also asked for reasonable adjustments with P.E due to my conditions, again ignored and pay me messages sent back.