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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: hirerspcn on April 30, 2025, 09:04:55 pm
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Yes they have re-offered the discount
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It has been a long time but Waltham forest has sent me Notice of rejection.
If i don’t have a strong case here for tribunal, can i pay the reduced rate of the pcn.
Thanks
Have they re-offered the discount in their letter ? Best if you post it here.
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It has been a long time but Waltham forest has sent me Notice of rejection.
If i don’t have a strong case here for tribunal, can i pay the reduced rate of the pcn.
Thanks
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My own view is that as the discount option has gone, you should now submit representations based on your initial narrative, namely that there had been no announcement about the new parking restrictions, and you have been parking all over the borough for many years. I don't think this is worth taking to London Tribunals unless somebody suggests a 'technical' appeal based on WF mismanagement of the enforcement process, but don't miss the NtO deadline (Pay or appeal). It is probable that they will re-offer the discount, so best not to pay-up until you have a reply to your reps.
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Please can i receive some guidance as i don’t want my appeal time to expire
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They never pay. Hire agreement says they will transfer liability to me and charge £10 admin fee.
OP, is the vehicle hired or leased? If hired, then for what period e.g. 7 days, 12 months etc?
It is a hire agreement. Duration of 5 months and 22 days (08/04/25 - 30/09/25) until renewal.
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They never pay. Hire agreement says they will transfer liability to me and charge £10 admin fee.
OP, is the vehicle hired or leased? If hired, then for what period e.g. 7 days, 12 months etc?
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Any guidance please
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Ok so i have received the Notice to Owner.
https://imgur.com/a/h1dOkOt
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In that case you could take a chance, councils almost always mess up the transfer of liability, because they can only do so if they are given very specific information
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They never pay. Hire agreement says they will transfer liability to me and charge £10 admin fee.
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The T&Cs of the hire agreement are likely to be that they will pay and charge you back but that would be at the full amount discount is likely the best option
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I can't see anything to go on. As it's hire car you wouldn't get the NTO anyway.
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Here is the response from WF
https://i.ibb.co/Jjs7Cqrs/02273022-crop.jpg
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Should I bother to check every single time I park within the borough when it has been like this for years and living here?
You've found out that the answer to this question is yes.
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The sign is clear enough on the photos taken by their CEO, so I assume you didn't bother looking at it as you park there so frequently.
I park throughout the borough when necessary and the timings (1pm - 2pm) are standard and 15 minutes free near small shops and businesses.
Should I bother to check every single time I park within the borough when it has been like this for years and living here?
GSV of September 2024 shows the old sign, although it was just 15 minutes free, not free 1-2 pm, then outside the controlled times, you must pay, and there was a 2 hour max period. Now it's pay all day but you can stay now for 3 hours.
That sign is outdated, it is the same rules as the sign opposite.
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I had a look round their website and found this : -
https://www.walthamforest.gov.uk/parking-roads-and-travel/roads-and-pavements/road-traffic-schemes-closed-consultations
Implementation date - 1st Feb 202
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There looks like a parking info sign wrapped around the pole so as said if this is a very new change sometimes councils will give a grace period.
(https://i.imgur.com/b2ONN7o.png)
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The sign is clear enough on the photos taken by their CEO, so I assume you didn't bother looking at it as you park there so frequently.
GSV of September 2024 shows the old sign, although it was just 15 minutes free, not free 1-2 pm, then outside the controlled times, you must pay, and there was a 2 hour max period. Now it's pay all day but you can stay now for 3 hours.
I suggest you submit an informal representation that whilst you were aware of proposed changes to parking times and tariffs, and had contributed to their consultation, you were unaware of any changes being implemented. Point out that you are on their email list so did expect some sort of announcement. Ask for the PCN to be cancelled on this ocasion and say that now you know parking arrangements have been changed you will ensure you check when parking next time.
Post up their reponse when you get it.
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I don't know when this change happened but I parked in a bay that used to be free for 15 minutes and between lunch times (1pm - 2pm).
I can't think of anything to appeal but do I have any sort of grounds to appeal?
Using Hire Vehicle - Windscreen PCN
Location: https://maps.app.goo.gl/wv1tu2o76pzUkvCw8
Front PCN: https://i.ibb.co/23gQtmR8/IMG-0823.jpg
Back PCN: https://i.ibb.co/W40NmgKD/IMG-0824.jpg
Waltham Forest did a consultation to remove free parking and the results were that 88% - 90% disagreed with this change (including myself). https://www.walthamforest.gov.uk/stories/pay-park-consultation-now-open
Although I am subscribed to Waltham Forests mailing list, i received no announcement that they were planning ahead to remove free parking.
I only realised after I saw a PCN attached to my windscreen and did some research to find out that the whole of Waltham Forest borough has no free parking.