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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: mazal on April 21, 2025, 06:11:03 pm
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I have sent you a PM in reply. I made a formal complaint today and will try to get you a refund if you wish.
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Had a quick look. NOR is funny! Not a ground even if there was a defect. I say Tribunal time.
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sadly they reject the letter i sent . how do i go from hear ?
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Formal representations done. If it helps others:
I am authorised by ********* act in this matter. I also wrote the same representations below for ****** re PCN ZN15420846, which you cancelled. I am also aware that you cancelled ZN15564584 for which the same representations* were made as advised by me. Therefore, under The Nolan Principles I request that you do the same.
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The PCN wrongly states which action triggers the period in which the council
may serve a charge certificate: “If the Penalty Charge is not paid before the end
of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice an
increased charge of £195.00 maybe payable. We may then send you a Charge
Certificate.” The law states at Schedule 1 5:
1)Where a penalty charge notice is served on any person and the penalty charge
to which it relates is not paid before the end of the relevant period, the
enforcing authority may serve on that person a statement (in this paragraph
referred to as a “charge certificate”) to the effect that the penalty charge in
question is increased by 50 per cent.
(2)The relevant period, in relation to a penalty charge notice is the period of 28
days beginning—
(a)where no representations are made under paragraph 1 above, with the date
on which the penalty charge notice is served;
Considering the above, the PCN is invalid and unenforceable.
Finally, I refer you to and rely upon Case No: 224038612A in which I was the representative. Should you not agree to do so, I am prepared to take the matter to the Tribunal on and will be making a formal complaint in terms of the said Principles. Clearly, when you cancel one person’s ticket for the same reasons you must treat another person in the same manner.
Furthermore, there is no adequate warning signage.
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Just send in your points about the signage and my draft.
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today is day 14 so will appriciate a quick response.
i see today 2 other pcn from Haringey with the same wording have had there appeal rejected, what is best action to take ? do i just appeal on ground that the warning sign is difficult to see as its quite small and high up and its being obstructed by a poll. I drove there yesterday was looking to see if there is a warning before approaching the junction and i did not see it first time . had to go back to actually look for it.
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/52m-haringey-3-pcns-in-a-week/
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/haringey-52m-pcn-(-cornwall-road-n15-ltn-multiple-pcn's-)/
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Hi Hippocrates
Thank you for replying. is this the text you referring to ? and yes sure will be happy for you to intervene but how do we do it ?
The PCN wrongly states which action triggers the period in which the council
may serve a charge certificate: “If the Penalty Charge is not paid before the end
of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice an
increased charge of £195.00 maybe payable. We may then send you a Charge
Certificate.” The law states at Schedule 1 5:
1)Where a penalty charge notice is served on any person and the penalty charge
to which it relates is not paid before the end of the relevant period, the
enforcing authority may serve on that person a statement (in this paragraph
referred to as a “charge certificate”) to the effect that the penalty charge in
question is increased by 50 per cent.
(2)The relevant period, in relation to a penalty charge notice is the period of 28
days beginning—
(a)where no representations are made under paragraph 1 above, with the date
on which the penalty charge notice is served;
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So use verbatim my draft which won the day. I can also intervene now if you like because I know they have cancelled before Tribunal on the same issue.
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just found this link
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/haringey-52(m)-pcn-nor-help-(downhills-park-rd-n17)/msg54378/#msg54378
looks to me to be the same wording on the pcn so i assume can use the same argument ?
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yes its my car , must be we are aging quickly as we are only in the 50. is there any other ground for appealing ? there is only one sign as you approach the junction and its bit obstructed by a pole.
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I was about to say the same thing !
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So is this your vehicle? It certainly isn't Seven Sisters Road.
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Hi
I got the attached pcn but i can categorically say I did not drive on on this road , i was on the main road Seven Sister Road but not any side road at the time. i was with my wife in the car and we both agreed we did not drive on this road.
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