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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: gladi123 on April 13, 2025, 03:36:34 pm
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See evidence pack uploaded - took a little while to figure out best way to upload given the volume of pictures.
To answer your question, it would be the CPZ sign that is dotted around the whole area and what everyone follows/understands to be the allowed parking times for the footway parking bays but given what you've just shared about the signs it does make this all the more strange!
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OP, where is the authority's evidence pack?
You wrote: 'the sign on the junction conveys lawful exception....[to the footway parking prohibition].
What sign, where's your evidence?
Anyway, what's this comment in the decision: 'I find that the sign for resident's permit holders did not indicate that cars were permitted to park on any part of the footway.'
Where did this come from? (the adjudicator is correct, but does she know why I wonder?).
The law:
The traffic signs in the so-called res parking bays are at best contradictory and at worst unlawful. Whatever they are they do NOT permit parking on the footway, it's NOT the prescribed sign. This is Item 4 in the Part 4 sign table here: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/4 this may only be used on a WHITE background. The one in the 'areas' here is Item 2, the standard sign.
The sign for unrestricted parking with 4 wheels on the footway is a different beast: Items 13 or 15 in the Part 2 sign table here: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/7 these signs stand alone and as can be seen are on a BLUE background.
The variant which is often referred to as regards Item 15 is 'in marked bays'
Also, you cannot have parking bays in a road which is also covered by waiting restrictions(not the one immediately ahead of you because the white zig-zags don't convey a waiting restriction, but the next one which is adjacent to a SYL).
IMO, the ONLY rational analysis based upon the upright traffic signs in situ is that you and they were in a larger area of permitted footway parking, the only difference being that in the areas marked with prescribed parking place markings (which are NOT the markings for footway parking 'in marked bays') parking place restrictions also apply.
For every one council which understands the distinction there must be 100s which do not.
But as you didn't make these arguments, I cannot see a review succeeding unless there's something in the council evidence. Hopefully, it should be possible to put forward an argument to the effect that the adjudicator's decision was irrational having regard to the fact that they'd already determined that the res parking places (presumably by virtue of the traffic signs) did not permit footway parking from which it must follow that as this was endorsed and permitted by the council then these areas and where you were must have been located in a larger area where unconditional footway parking with 4 wheels on the footway is permitted. Where this starts and ends isn't your problem IMO, it's the council's.
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Thanks for this, I'll spend some time looking into the process and will try drafting something up.
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There's nothing to lose in asking for a review but it needs to be based on the adjudicator getting something wrong and it could be said they should have thought of the resolution issue and they say the authority is not obliged to provide a map but the exemptions to footway parking depend on orders (for bays) and resolutions, and also for longstanding expectation.
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Upon reflection not clearly at all no, only referenced that parking on footway is allowed on this junction and around this area of Dagenham and could tell she didn't quite grasp that point. As a newbie I mistakenly had assumed it would be common knowledge that a footway resolution has been passed here because the adjudicator acknowledged the other cars parked on the footway in the marked bays.
Would it be right to assume any grounds for a review would depend on digging out the resolution?
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I'm thinking a review could raise the resolution issue but did you raise it with the adjudicator?
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Case reference: 2250202256
Attached the decision.
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What's the case number. There may be scope for a review.
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An update, the appeal was refused.
Contrary to previous appeals (Lorna Jennifer Whittick v London Borough of Merton 2160383659, 10 October 2016 for full context) where it said 'There is no rule that says that anybody parking on the pavement must be parked within a marked bay. The Authority can decide to use pairs of blue signs to indicate where pavement parking is allowed'
I got 'The car was parked on the footway adjacent to the zigzag lines of a pedestrian crossing. There are marked bays for permit holders on the footway but I find that the evidence shows that there was no marked bay where the appellant's car was parked. I find that the sign for resident's permit holders did not indicate that cars were permitted to park on any part of the footway.'
'I accept Mr xxx evidence that his car was parked in a line of other vehicles however there was no marked bay where his car was parked. The council does not have to establish that a vehicle caused any obstruction'
Rather confusing on the whole marked bays interpretation, my adjudicator essentially took the view anything outside of the marked bays on footway is essentially footway parking but also she stated from above 'I find that the sign for resident's permit holders did not indicate that cars were permitted to park on any part of the footway.'
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Hi All,
Just an update and request for any advice that could help. I have a date with the adjudicator next month on the 14th. Is there anything else other than what's been mentioned here that I can include to overturn this PCN?
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Appreciate the responses. I will need to submit the appeal today given the time frames. It sounds like there isn't much else I can add to the original appeal.
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Forget the zig-zag lines, they are nothing to do with the off-carriageway parking regs. They just bar parking on the carriageway by the zig-zags. This is a typical money-grubbing PCN that we see so often in B & D.
As SFM says, in order for councils to even allow off-carriageway parking, they must first pass a resolution at council allowing such parking, plus a list of streets. Often, the detail of where parking is allowed on a particular street is not formalised, the Highways Department just come along and paint some bays. Here, though, there does seem to be a lot of detail, but one does wonder if it is supported by a valid Traffic Regulation Order. Of course without a council resolution on the 70s Act, any TRO would be void.
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Yes I did do an informal challenge first for this PCN which got the response attached , then I did the more formal one which got the response pictured in the first post.
The zigzag lines is the bit I'm unsure about but there is still footway parking with marked bays literally behind where I was parked which makes me think this could still be overturned.
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This is the usual dog's dinner of footway bays sited by yellow lines and even crossing zig-zags. There is an order designating resident parking bays in this controlled zone.
Did you challenge the windscreen PCN?
Seems to me a key here is a resolution lifting the universal footway parking ban.
If the bays were on the carriageway the space between would be controlled by a yellow line. Here where you were it is the crossing zig-zags at kerbside.
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Hi All,
Received a PCN for code 62 parking on a footway. I appealed this and got rejected. My main reasons being footway parking on this junction is very much allowed and where I parked there were no signs to indicate that I can only park in the marked bays.
I have attached the appeal and mainly sighted reasons from this thread - https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/barking-dagenham-contravention-code-62/ using the successful overturns at tribunal. I am looking to take this to the tribunal but would really appreciate to know if its worth while or not and whether I have missed anything obvious that I can add to this.
PCN number for ease of reference - BZ64006299
Car registration - LV59 VWY
Here are the images of the letter received.
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facebook website link image (https://imgbb.com/)
PCN image - (https://i.ibb.co/TDGNHfdL/IMG-20250413-152525.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LDysCFH5)
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GSV link of area/junction - https://maps.app.goo.gl/HL7uAiNKNgnAYMS16 (between tree and lamppost)
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