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Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: H C Andersen on September 05, 2025, 02:16:17 pm
I count at least 4 regulatory failures:

Costs
Adjudicator's power to register appeal outside the (correct) 28-day period;
The 28-day period itself(28 days beginning on, not from);
Misstatement of power regarding CC(which is to 'serve' the CC, not 'issue').

IMO, it is irrelevant whether some of these are addressed in the 'attached appeal form' because, if this is considered to be part of the NOR, then why bother writing anything at all regarding procedure in the body of the NOR.

Perhaps more than 4? See what others think.
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: cp8759 on September 05, 2025, 12:57:46 pm
I've sent you a PM.
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: cesur on September 04, 2025, 04:39:00 pm
The Council responded while I was away with a letter dated August 12, 2025.
Looking for advice to appeal to adjudicators.

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Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: cp8759 on July 18, 2025, 07:12:04 pm
Replace "traffic resolution" with "footway parking resolution" and you're good to go.
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: cesur on July 18, 2025, 11:48:15 am
Amended as per your suggestion:

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I write in response to the Notice to Keeper issued in respect of the above PCN.

I make this representation on the basis that the alleged contravention did not occur.

Footway parking is a permitted activity on Hall Place Crescent, evidenced by the presence of multiple marked parking bays which are painted partially on the footway. The existence of such bays necessarily implies that a resolution under section 15(4) of the Greater London Council (General Powers) Act 1974 has been passed to allow footway parking on this road. The question is therefore not whether footway parking is prohibited on Hall Place Crescent in general, but whether any such resolution applies selectively and whether the council can demonstrate that the location where my vehicle was parked falls outside the terms of the resolution.

If the council believes that I contravened the terms of a footway parking resolution that permits parking only in specific areas, it is incumbent on the council to produce a copy of that resolution and to show precisely how it applies to the road in question, including any maps or diagrams referred to in it.

Unless and until the council provides evidence of such a resolution and shows how the location in question falls outside its scope, I contend that the contravention did not occur. It is not for the keeper to prove the existence or content of a traffic resolution; the burden of proof lies squarely with the enforcement authority.

In light of the above, I respectfully request that this PCN be cancelled.

Yours faithfully,
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: cp8759 on July 18, 2025, 09:46:03 am
You've posted various pictures of signage, so isn't your position about the signs overstated? I think you should concentrate more on the resolution.
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: cesur on July 18, 2025, 12:54:42 am
I have drafted below:

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I write in response to the Notice to Keeper issued in respect of the above PCN.

I respectfully submit that the alleged contravention did not occur. Footway parking is clearly permitted on Hall Place Crescent, as evidenced by the marked parking bays that are painted partially on the footway. There are no signs or markings in the vicinity indicating that footway parking is restricted only to the marked bays, nor is there any signage indicating a general prohibition on footway parking on this road.

In areas where footway parking is generally prohibited, but selectively permitted by resolution, the council must ensure that the effect of the resolution is clearly conveyed through signage, in accordance with the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions (TSRGD). The absence of such signage in this location leads to a legitimate expectation that footway parking is permitted throughout the road, and not confined strictly to the painted bays.

If the council believes a contravention has occurred, I request that you provide, as part of your response to this representation, a copy of the footway parking resolution under section 15(4) of the Greater London Council (General Powers) Act 1974, which governs footway parking on this road. It is for the council to demonstrate the legal basis for any restriction, and to show that this restriction was clearly and lawfully conveyed to motorists at the location.

Given the apparent absence of any signage, and the existence of marked bays that imply permission to park partially on the footway, I believe it was entirely reasonable to conclude that footway parking is permitted along this street.

In light of the above, I respectfully request that this PCN be cancelled.

Yours faithfully,
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: cp8759 on July 15, 2025, 12:24:35 am
It's not your personal data so it wouldn't be a SAR, it would be an information request under the Environmental Information Regulations 2004. I'm not sure I would ask for it, as I said the burden of evidence rests on the council. What you should do is make the point in the representations instead. For the reasons explains in the June 2025 update at the bottom of the page here (https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/) and here (https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/one-on-one-support-and-direct-requests-for-help/) I won't have time to draft representations for you, but if you want to put a draft on here someone might review them for you.
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: cesur on July 14, 2025, 11:33:45 pm
I am wondering if I should raise a separate SAR about the footpath resolution or request when submitting the appeal?
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: cesur on July 03, 2025, 04:41:14 pm
Should we ask the authority about the resolution, @cp8759 ?
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: cesur on July 03, 2025, 12:58:16 pm
NTO arrived. Date of Notice 24/06/2025.
Will the representation comment change at this stage?

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Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: cp8759 on June 04, 2025, 04:40:22 pm
So, you're pinning your hopes not only on the prohibition being disapplied where you were but also that where you were would be a 'marked bay' area in such a resolution. IMO, this is unlikely in itself given your proximity to the dropped footway behind you.

Not really, the authority might simply fail to produce the resolution at all.
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: H C Andersen on June 04, 2025, 04:31:39 pm
enforcement authority didn't show that the vehicle was parked in breach of the underlying resolution)

OP, you misunderstand.

As a matter of fact, parking on the footway is prohibited in Greater London by statute UNLESS there is a resolution of the local highway authority to amend/vary, not the other way round. Based upon the signage, you were in contravention because there wasn't/isn't any signage which lifts the prohibition where you were.

The 'relaxation' beyond the signs is conditional i.e. in marked bays only, so even beyond the sign parking must be in marked bays which means that even beyond the sign a motorist is still restricted as to where they may park on the footway.

You were parked before the signs;
You were not in a marked bay.

So, you're pinning your hopes not only on the prohibition being disapplied where you were but also that where you were would be a 'marked bay' area in such a resolution. IMO, this is unlikely in itself given your proximity to the dropped footway behind you.

You have different views on the substantive issues regarding the contravention. The choice is yours. At least if you receive a Notice to Owner and subsequent NOR this might introduce procedural improprieties as well as re-offer the discount.

Realistic expectations though.
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: cp8759 on June 04, 2025, 04:15:41 pm
We cite previous decisions all the time, they're not legally binding but they can be persuasive.
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: cesur on June 04, 2025, 03:18:16 pm
IMO, it's not the authority's task to prove that there isn't a prohibition,
More than one adjudicator has stated that where footway parking is permitted on a particular road, the burden shifts on the enforcement authority to show that the vehicle was parked in breach of the underlying resolution.

Could these cases be used as a reference when putting this statement (enforcement authority didn't show that the vehicle was parked in breach of the underlying resolution) forward at the tribunal stage? How likely is an adjudicator to respect others' decisions and follow them? Is it common practice based on experience?
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: cp8759 on June 03, 2025, 10:34:48 pm
the contravention occurred in Hall Place Crescent whereas GSV shows that permitted footway parking applies in a discrete section only of Marden Crescent.
That would be for Sally Jacobs to argue.
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: H C Andersen on June 03, 2025, 06:48:16 pm
Where the local contextual factors (location of signs, new v pre-existing posts etc.) suggest.

But here, the contravention occurred in Hall Place Crescent whereas GSV shows that permitted footway parking applies in a discrete section only of Marden Crescent.

But the OP is able to argue otherwise.
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: cp8759 on June 03, 2025, 06:04:44 pm
IMO, it's not the authority's task to prove that there isn't a prohibition,
More than one adjudicator has stated that where footway parking is permitted on a particular road, the burden shifts on the enforcement authority to show that the vehicle was parked in breach of the underlying resolution.
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: H C Andersen on June 03, 2025, 01:51:01 pm
?
The default position is that there is a prohibition.

if there is resolution and it says I'm in the wrong, I'll pay up.

The GLC (General Powers) Act 1974.

IMO, it's not the authority's task to prove that there isn't a prohibition, the boot is on the other foot. As I referred previously, sometimes the motorist's proximity to footway parking signs and their situation within a road give rise to a legitimate assertion that it's probable that a whole road has been exempted.

IMO, such contextual factors do not apply here.

But the OP's free to argue this.
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: Grant Urismo on June 03, 2025, 10:35:51 am
The argument isn't quite "they cannot find the resolution it must by extrapolation apply to the whole road", it's closer to 'they have a legal obligation to find the resolution, and I have a legal right to read it at the evidence  pack stage'.

Throw in 'if there is resolution and it says I'm in the wrong, I'll pay up and withdraw my appeal, that's consistently been my position been my position from the initial appeal to sitting here in front of an adjudicator but the council are clearly scofflaws who run roughshod over the process of adjudication, denying me my fundamental legal right to know what I'm accused of and are clearly hell-bent on wasting both the adjudicator's precious time and mine, look they haven't even turned up today' and 'are you happy to look me in the eye right now and convict me based on a document neither  of us have seen, your honour?' and following the the Darhoo ruling suddenly seems be quite an appealing path for an adjudicator to take.
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: H C Andersen on June 03, 2025, 09:44:56 am
IMO, this case is different to most footway parking cases where the prohibition has been disapplied to a whole road but only (wrongly) demarcated using existing and convenient(AKA cheap) posts and lamp columns because here discrete section of the road has been signed.

Is anyone arguing that this is simply a case of the whole road, or at least to where the OP's car was parked, allowing footway parking? Does anyone think that the 'footway parking is allowed but as they cannot find the resolution it must by extrapolation apply to the whole road, including where the OP was parked' argument would win the day?

And as for adjudication ...the referenced decision refers to 'on or over an urban road'..FFS, this was taken out of the prohibition years ago, what planet are they on?

Parking on footways and footpaths
(1)Section 15 (parking on footways, grass verges, etc) of the Greater London Council (General Powers) Act 1974 (c. xxiv) is amended as follows.

(2)In subsection (1)—

(a)for “on any part of an urban road” there is substituted “on or over any part of a road”;


Since 2008.
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: cp8759 on June 02, 2025, 10:52:54 pm
So the only issue really is the footway parking resolution, which must have been made at some point but whether the council can produce it is another matter. There's been an interesting decision about this by the ICO here (https://ico.org.uk/media2/qredfgzd/ic-327409-y3q6.pdf).

The informal representations seem to have ignored the request for a copy, so you now need to decide whether to pursue this further.

The most recent decision I have on this point is Carlos Darhoo v London Borough of Ealing (2240510750, 17 February 2025) (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yoj7bNP-C305I-Cz6m_luHMe5YIP2ieQ/view), there's no guarantee this case would play out in the same way but it's certainly a possible outcome.

If you want to carry on all you need to do is wait for the notice to owner and then we'll draft something for you.
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: cesur on June 02, 2025, 10:32:44 pm
@cesur can you check those signs are still there and visible?

Yes they are still there @cp8759

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The yellow area was where the car was parked.
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Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: cp8759 on June 02, 2025, 10:56:01 am
@cesur can you check those signs are still there and visible?
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: stamfordman on June 01, 2025, 11:41:29 am
I said there was marked bays and they do have signs but this view is from 2018.

I thought the only hope here is a resolution.

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Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: cp8759 on May 31, 2025, 05:51:20 pm
@cesur well we don't know the area, so you're in a better position than us to confirm or deny the presence of signage. If there are no signs that state "in marked bays" then the requirement does not exist, see these cases:

Lorna Jennifer Whittick v London Borough of Merton (2160383659, 10 October 2016) (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Zs6qrypSl0Iehm7EnxcdZCyqSGsjMJRy/view)
Aliecee Cummings v London Borough of Lewisham (219023696A, 18 July 2019) (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lUaIxbhlOx9DxT3XG5AFYWcjFxzPCDwa/view)
Yasmin Robinson v London Borough of Redbridge (221007511A, 29 March 2021) (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1szz0Am2pd-s8w_AzMAcoUjyyvStH9ICS/view)
Mohammed Islam v London Borough of Barking and Dagenham (2200513505, 25 March 2021) (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cf-QYnXWIujbI7h46xhcJYzDvWawRlBG/view)

The council won't appreciate that, but that's because they're stupid.

Assuming there are no such signs, just wait for the notice to owner.
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: cesur on May 30, 2025, 12:21:20 pm
Notice of Rejection. Does anyone have any thoughts on a potential win?

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Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: cesur on April 22, 2025, 11:16:31 pm
I have submitted this.
Screenshot taken.

Thanks @cp8759.

Draft representation:

Dear London Borough of Bexley,

Footway parking is allowed on Hall Place Crescent, there are numerous parking bays painted partly on the footpath and and no signs indicate that footway parking is permitted only within those bays. In the circumstances I contend that the contravention did not occur because there must be a footway parking resolution allowing footway parking on this road, if you believe I have contravened the terms of that resolution then I ask that you supply a copy.

Yours faithfully,

Take a screenshot of the confirmation page. You cannot rely on some other footway parking resolution for some other location, as there is likely a different one for this location, but it's still up to the council to produce it.
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: cp8759 on April 22, 2025, 11:08:13 pm
Draft representation:

Dear London Borough of Bexley,

Footway parking is allowed on Hall Place Crescent, there are numerous parking bays painted partly on the footpath and and no signs indicate that footway parking is permitted only within those bays. In the circumstances I contend that the contravention did not occur because there must be a footway parking resolution allowing footway parking on this road, if you believe I have contravened the terms of that resolution then I ask that you supply a copy.

Yours faithfully,

Take a screenshot of the confirmation page. You cannot rely on some other footway parking resolution for some other location, as there is likely a different one for this location, but it's still up to the council to produce it.
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: Hippocrates on April 22, 2025, 01:13:17 pm
E mail received. The website is now fixed so that angle is not possible.
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: cesur on April 22, 2025, 12:14:28 pm
It is interesting that there is no mention of Hall Pl Crescent in the documents, although this road has marked bays half on the footway where vehicles can park and must be exempt from footway parking restrictions, mustn't it?

Based on @cp8759's documents posted on a similar subject about Bexley council, it doesn't look like this road was applied a resolution, happy to be corrected though if I missed anything.

  • Traffic and transportation sub-committee report of 15th  September 1994 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pL6p8vmMQZsw7kvwMrKDtN-t-wDX9Bar/view)
  • Public Works Committee Agenda of 13 October 1994 (see page 308 for a map of Olron Crescent) (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IAs-NoI8XeRuJnntEpICK3sb6ZlyDbJp/view)
  • Public Works Committee minutes of 13 October 1994 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Kc6KEwkLyna0NRmQJK0k3T265mldzc1I/view)
  • Full council resolution of 11 November 1994 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yWAv0idbw3vViG-5TrQjhp2zDqxeYQdf/view)
You could include:

I believe the contravention may not in case have occurred as you have probably passed a resolution disapplying the footway parking ban on Hall Place Crescent given the presence of such parking elsewhere in the road.

Please confirm the existence of this resolution and its extent in considering my challenge.
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: cesur on April 22, 2025, 11:16:52 am
Based on @cp8759's documents posted on a similar subject about Bexley council, it doesn't look like this road was applied a resolution, happy to be corrected though if I missed anything.

You could include:

I believe the contravention may not in case have occurred as you have probably passed a resolution disapplying the footway parking ban on Hall Place Crescent given the presence of such parking elsewhere in the road.

Please confirm the existence of this resolution and its extent in considering my challenge.
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: cesur on April 22, 2025, 11:08:44 am
Thanks for the heads up, I will appeal today.

Back of PCN:


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The 14-day period for making a risk-free* challenge and payment of the discount ends today, 22 Apr(14 days beginning on 9th, not from 9th).

I'd make simple reps that you understood that parking with 2 wheels on the footway was allowed in the road as you have seen cars doing this on a regular basis. If you are wrong then you apologise and would ask the authority to exercise discretion and cancel as this is your first** PCN.


*- you haven't posted the back of the PCN, so I'm assuming that this provision - which is commonplace- is included.

**- if true.

Are you the registered keeper with current DVLA
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: stamfordman on April 22, 2025, 10:18:42 am
You could include:

I believe the contravention may not in case have occurred as you have probably passed a resolution disapplying the footway parking ban on Hall Place Crescent given the presence of such parking elsewhere in the road.

Please confirm the existence of this resolution and its extent in considering my challenge.
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: H C Andersen on April 22, 2025, 10:12:27 am
The 14-day period for making a risk-free* challenge and payment of the discount ends today, 22 Apr(14 days beginning on 9th, not from 9th).

I'd make simple reps that you understood that parking with 2 wheels on the footway was allowed in the road as you have seen cars doing this on a regular basis. If you are wrong then you apologise and would ask the authority to exercise discretion and cancel as this is your first** PCN.


*- you haven't posted the back of the PCN, so I'm assuming that this provision - which is commonplace- is included.

**- if true.

Are you the registered keeper with current DVLA
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: cesur on April 22, 2025, 02:10:05 am
Are there any further advice on this?
Should I wait for NTK regardless and hope to get the fee reduced back to £70 in the worst case, or not worth wasting time?

I think this should be paid on Wednesday to qualify as an early payment..

Previously @Hippocrates helped to cancel the PCN due to reasons for appeal not sufficient on the website however they corrected it. I don't know if there would be any other grounds for appeal.
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: cesur on April 10, 2025, 05:24:29 pm
Google Maps link: https://maps.app.goo.gl/25oAy1HW5aRmyUN19
Title: Re: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: stamfordman on April 10, 2025, 05:08:41 pm
Where exactly were you on Google Maps. There is marked footway parking in that road but it looks like you were well before the sign.

That doesn't mean there isn't a resolution exemption for the whole road though. 
Title: Bexley, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
Post by: cesur on April 10, 2025, 04:45:02 pm
PCN over parking on footpath in Bexley.
Any chance this may slip at the adjudicator stage?



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