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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: kgw on April 09, 2025, 12:23:46 pm

Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: b789 on December 29, 2025, 04:42:37 pm
You’re correct in that they’ve painted themselves into a corner. You’ve complied with PAPDC; they haven’t. There is no obligation to respond to this kind of automated nonsense, and doing nothing is perfectly safe from a protocol perspective.

However, if you want to keep the paper trail tidy (and highlight their false “no response in 45 days” assertion) you should send this, then ignore all future “contact closed/portal” spam:

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Subject: Your Letter dated 29 December 2025 – Ref: [reference number]; PCN: [xxxxx]

Dear Sirs,

Your letter dated 29 December 2025 is inaccurate. You state that you have not received a response from me in the past 45 days and that my issue is “presumed resolved”. That is untrue.

I responded substantively to your Letter of Claim on [date of PAP response] and again on [date of last reply]. Those responses set out detailed requests under the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims, which remain outstanding. My position is unchanged: the alleged debt is disputed in full.

I do not consent to the use of your “Customer Portal” and have repeatedly instructed you that all correspondence must be by email and/or post. Any internal “contact” tickets you choose to open and close are your own administrative devices and have no bearing on my rights or on your obligations under the Protocol.

In addition, your repeated use of template letters which misstate the communication history (for example, asserting that there has been no response from me within 45 days when that is demonstrably false), coupled with your ongoing failure to engage properly with the requirements of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims, raises concerns which go beyond the merits of this alleged debt. Should this pattern continue, I reserve the right to refer your conduct, together with the correspondence to date, to the Solicitors Regulation Authority for consideration.

For the avoidance of doubt, the case is not “resolved”. If, despite your continued failure to comply with PAPDC, your client believes it has a viable cause of action, you are at liberty to issue a properly particularised claim. Any proceedings will be defended, and your pre-action conduct – including template letters which misstate the history and ignore my replies – will be placed before the court on the question of case management and costs.

Yours faithfully,

[Your name]
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on December 29, 2025, 02:31:52 pm
Hi and merry Christmas to all.

BW Legal have just sent the exact same boilerplate letter, as usual ignoring all the replies sent to them:

"Account Details
Contact Date: 14 November 2025
Our Reference: xxxxx
Our Client: Countrywide Parking Management Limited
Query Type: Send Supporting Evidence


29 December 2025

Dear xxxx,
As we have not received a response from you in the past 45 days, we have now closed the contact associated with your account, presuming that your issue has been resolved.
As a result, the hold on your case has been removed, and collection activities will resume. No further action is required from you at this time.
If this is an error or if you require further assistance, please don't hesitate to reach out to us. To view the full contact history or submit a new query, please log into our Customer Portal by clicking here.
Thank you for your understanding.
"

They've already painted themselves in a corner so not sure it's worth bothering to reply. Or maybe the same reply as last time.
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: b789 on November 28, 2025, 12:22:28 pm
BW Legal’s emails now show not just carelessness but complete procedural disorder. Their data handling is inconsistent, inaccurate and unreliable, which breaches UK GDPR Article 5(1)(d) because personal data must be accurate and kept up to date. They are not in control of their own systems, and the ICO routinely investigates this kind of behaviour because it involves contradictory processing, contradictory outcomes, inaccurate records, separate workflows that do not talk to each other, failure to link correspondence to the correct account, failure to identify which of the two NtKs a message relates to, and false statements that you have not responded. The moment they continue enforcement while relying on inaccurate data, their processing becomes unlawful.

Their claim that you “have not responded for 45 days” is flatly wrong because you emailed them on 14 November. This proves that their data is inaccurate, their workflow is faulty and their system is unable to map incoming messages to the correct file. This alone breaches Article 5(1)(d). It creates a false account history, a false “resolved” status, a false lack of response, and contradictory records about the same matter. This is exactly the sort of failure that the ICO treats as a serious complaint.

Their statement that they have “closed the contact associated with your account” shows exactly what is happening. They have created multiple separate “contacts” or sub-accounts for the same two PCNs and are processing them independently. One workflow says “no further action is required”. Another demands £340 and threatens a Letter of Claim. Neither workflow is aware of the other. This is a textbook example of an unsynchronised CRM system. It is unlawful because any data controller or processor must maintain accurate records, consistent processing, a single truth about liability and correct data for enforcement decisions.

Their repeated phrase “no further action is required at this time” has now appeared several times from different teams on different dates relating to different internal entries. Every time they send this, they undermine their own threats, destroy any argument that their actions are reasonable and create a contradictory audit trail. A judge looking at both “no further action” and “we will escalate to a Letter of Claim” would conclude immediately that BW Legal does not have a coherent processing system.

Their reference to a “contact date” of 12 August 2025 appears to be an internal system timestamp, possibly an earlier message, possibly a mis-indexed entry or an automated marker. It does not match your correspondence dates. This is yet another sign of poor system integrity and inaccurate audit trails and again breaches GDPR accuracy requirements.

The overall position now is that BW Legal cannot identify which NtK is which, cannot track correspondence properly, cannot unify their workflows, and their systems produce contradictory results. They claim you have not responded when you have, they repeatedly ask for details you have already provided, they maintain incorrect data and then use that incorrect data to pursue enforcement. This behaviour breaches multiple data protection principles: accuracy under Article 5(1)(d), lawfulness and fairness under Article 5(1)(a), minimisation under Article 5(1)(c), and storage limitation under Article 5(1)(e). It also likely breaches the lawful basis requirement under Article 6(1) because they have no legitimate interest in pursuing a keeper who is not liable.

This gives you strong grounds for an ICO complaint, a DVLA data misuse complaint, a section 168 Data Protection Act claim for distress, and a powerful set of facts to undermine any future Letter of Claim.

Your response to them should now explain clearly that their competing workflows are producing contradictory outputs, including multiple statements that the matter is resolved, while their collections team continues to make demands. You should state that this inconsistency shows that their processing is inaccurate and unsynchronised and that they are acting on incorrect and incomplete data, which is a breach of Article 5(1)(d). You should also tell them that all of this is being documented for complaints to the ICO and DVLA.

Send this to the "custards" (Jeremy Clarkson's new profanity, combining two into one... I’m sure you can work it out!):

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Subject: Your continuing unlawful, inaccurate and contradictory processing

Dear BW Legal,

Your latest email reinforces the same problem that has been evident for months: you are not in control of your own systems, your records are inaccurate, your workflows contradict each other, and you continue to act on data that you know is wrong. This is not reasonable conduct. It is unlawful processing, and it is now being prepared for formal complaints and regulatory escalation.

You have repeatedly claimed that you have “not received a response in 45 days”, despite receiving my email on 14 November. That single error proves your records are inaccurate and unreliable. You have also issued multiple messages stating that the matter has been “resolved” and that “no further action is required”, while simultaneously sending payment demands and threats of escalation. You close “contacts” on your system while your collections team continues to send automated enforcement letters. You consistently ask for information that has already been provided and acknowledged. Your correspondence does not identify which PCN you are referring to, even though there are two separate NtKs that you treat as if they are interchangeable. This is procedural chaos.

This behaviour breaches the UK GDPR. You are failing to comply with Article 5(1)(d) because you are not maintaining accurate data or keeping it up to date. You are breaching Article 5(1)(a) because continuing to pursue the wrong person despite having the driver’s details and despite PoFA defects is not lawful or fair. You are breaching Article 5(1)(c) because you are using personal data that is no longer necessary for enforcement. You are breaching Article 5(1)(e) because you are retaining and acting on data for longer than is justified. Your reliance on Article 6(1) as a lawful basis fails because you have no legitimate interest in pursuing a person who is not liable.

Your insistence that the NtK is PoFA compliant “because it was issued within 14 days” shows a basic misunderstanding of the statute. PoFA requires the notice to be given so that it is deemed delivered within the 14-day period, not merely “issued”. You have ignored the requirements of paragraph 9(4) and 9(6). Your demand for a “signed statement” is equally baseless because PoFA contains no such requirement. This is an invented condition that contradicts the legislation.

You have been given the full name and address for service of the driver. Your client acknowledged this in April. Under paragraph 5(1)(b) PoFA, keeper liability ended at that point. Your refusal to accept this is legally indefensible. Your continuing attempts to pursue me as keeper are now being treated as unlawful enforcement.

I am now preparing the following complaints and actions.

First, a formal complaint to the ICO for unlawful, inaccurate and inconsistent processing of my personal data and for your failure to maintain accurate and coherent records.

Second, a complaint to the SRA outlining your misstatements of law, your invented legal requirements, your contradictory automated communications, your failure to supervise your systems properly, and your continuing reliance on clearly inaccurate personal data.

Third, a complaint to the Competition and Markets Authority under the Digital Markets, Competition and Consumers Act for unfair commercial practices, misleading statements of legal entitlement, and the use of inconsistent automated systems to pressure consumers into payment demands that have no lawful basis.

Fourth, if your unlawful processing continues, I will commence a claim under section 168 of the Data Protection Act 2018 for distress caused by your misuse of my personal data.

You now have one final opportunity to bring your processing into line with the law. Confirm within seven days that your records have been corrected, that the driver’s details have been applied to both NtKs, that all enforcement processing against me has ceased, and that no further correspondence will be directed at me as keeper.

If you fail to do so, every complaint and sanction mentioned above will proceed.

Yours faithfully,

[Your name]
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on November 28, 2025, 09:33:02 am
     Hi,

The email received today confirms complete havoc at BW Legal (emphasis mine):

"Account Details
Contact Date: 12 August 2025
Our Reference: xxxx
Our Client: Countrywide Parking Management Limited
Query Type: Letter Of Claim Response

28 November 2025
Dear xxxxx,
As we have not received a response from you in the past 45 days, we have now closed the contact associated with your account, presuming that your issue has been resolved.
No further action is required from you at this time.
If this is an error or if you require further assistance, please don't hesitate to reach out to us. To view the full contact history or submit a new query, please log into our Customer Portal by clicking here.
Thank you for your understanding.
Yours sincerely,
BW Legal
"

We last wrote to them on 14 Nov...
Not sure what the contact date refers to
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on November 14, 2025, 02:04:57 pm
Thanks a lot ! Amazing.

Indeed, it looks like BW Legal are treating the 2 NtKs separately and with very different outcomes even though they're identical. But what makes things worse is that their letters never mention NtK numbers, so it's impossible to follow their logic.

We've referred to both NtKs in our correspondence.
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: b789 on November 14, 2025, 11:05:12 am
How embarrassing (legally) that this firm can expose their utter incompetence this way. Their nonsense email means:

1. Their “signed statement” requirement is invented.
PoFA contains no provision requiring:
• a signed witness statement
• a signed declaration
• a completed portal form
• or any specific format

It requires only:
• “the name of the driver and a current address for service”.

You already provided that to the data controller (Countrywide) in early April. Countrywide acknowledged receipt on 15 April.

2. BW Legal cannot retrospectively impose a condition which PoFA does not require.
They claim the NtK was PoFA compliant because it was “issued within 14 days”. This is a red flag highlighting they don’t understand PoFA at all. PoFA requires it to be "given", not "issued" within the relevant period.

Irrespective, timing is only one requirement of the NtK. If any of the mandatory 9(2) wording is missing or wrong, keeper liability does not arise, regardless of timing.

You already know that their NtK has multiple 9(2) failures.

3. The harassment paragraph is posturing.
You did not accuse them of civil harassment. You stated they are unlawfully processing your data.

They are trying to intimidate you with a statute you haven’t even relied on. Their reference to legitimate interests does not save them:
• pursuing the wrong person is not a legitimate interest
• legitimate interests must be proportionate and necessary, which this is not
• legitimate interests cannot continue once the purpose is unlawful

Continued processing in the face of:
• a valid transfer of liability
• PoFA non-compliance
• contradictory BW Legal correspondence

is unlawful data processing, regardless of their posturing.

4. Their competing workflows (collections vs. “TOL”) are causing the problem.
You already have a BW Legal email confirming:
• “the issue has been resolved”
• “no further action is required”

They cannot now deny that. This contradiction is gold dust.

Email the following to BW Legal and CC Countrywide:

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Subject: Your email dated [insert date] – PoFA, timing and unlawful processing

Dear BW Legal,

I refer to your recent email in which you state that the Notice to Keeper was “issued within 14 days” and therefore “PoFA compliant”, and in which you again demand a signed statement to transfer liability.

First, your understanding of PoFA timing is embarrassingly wrong. Schedule 4 paragraph 9(4) requires that a Notice to Keeper sent by post must be "given" so that it is delivered not later than 14 days beginning with the day after the parking event. Paragraph 9(6) then states that a notice sent by post is deemed to have been given on the second working day after posting. In other words, it is not enough that the NtK is “issued within 14 days”. It must be issued early enough that, allowing for the two working day deemed service rule, it is deemed given within that 14 day period. Simply being “issued within 14 days” is legally meaningless unless the deemed date of service still falls within the 14 days.

Second, the full name and address for service of the driver were provided to your client, Countrywide Parking Management, on 9 April. Your client acknowledged receipt on 15 April. Schedule 4 does not require a signed statement, a declaration, the use of a web portal or any other invented process. It requires only that the keeper gives the name and a current address for service of the driver before proceedings. I have complied. Your client has acknowledged that I have complied. Your insistence on a signed statement is a requirement of your own making and has no basis in the statute.

Third, your client’s NtK fails multiple mandatory requirements of PoFA paragraph 9(2) in any event, so it is incapable of creating keeper liability even if the driver had never been named. You are therefore wrong in law to assert that your client is “legally entitled to pursue” me as keeper.

You also suggest that references in your own correspondence to matters being “resolved” or that “no further action is required” only apply to “separate contacts” and not to the underlying account. That simply underlines the problem. Different parts of BW Legal are issuing contradictory communications. One team tells me the issue is resolved and no further action is required; another continues to send demands and repeats the same requests for information that has already been provided. This demonstrates that your internal workflows and data are not synchronised and that you are not processing my personal data with the accuracy and care that data protection law requires.

Your long passage about the Protection from Harassment Act and legitimate interests is a distraction. My primary complaint is that you are continuing to process my personal data for enforcement purposes when (a) the driver’s details have been supplied and acknowledged, and (b) the NtKs do not comply with PoFA. There is no legitimate interest in pursuing a person who is not liable, and no lawful basis for continued enforcement processing against the keeper in those circumstances.

I now require written confirmation within 7 days that your records have been updated to show the named driver already provided, that all processing of my personal data for enforcement purposes has ceased, and that my data has been removed from your active systems. If you continue to pursue me as registered keeper, or continue to demand re-submission of information already supplied and acknowledged, I will escalate this to the ICO and DVLA, and I will consider a claim under section 168 of the Data Protection Act 2018 for distress arising from unlawful processing.

Yours faithfully,

[Your name]
[Your address]
[Date]
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: jfollows on November 14, 2025, 10:15:50 am
I'm not sure why issuing the NtK within 14 days makes it magically PoFA-compliant.
This was the lie that Smart used to spew out.
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on November 14, 2025, 10:07:36 am
Their reply (by email):

"xx November 2025

Dear xxx,

Please be advised that our Client will not accept a transfer of liability statement that is not signed by yourself.
without this we are unable to bring this to the attention of our Client.

We can confirm that these matter were issued within compliance to POFA as the notice to keeper was issued withing 14 days of the contravention.

Please note that on our correspondence where it states resolved or no further action is relating to the separate contacts raised not the matter a whole, liability has not been transferred as we have not received the signed statement we have requested.

In response to your allegation of harassment, note that Section 1(3)(c) of the Protection from Harassment Act 1997 (Act) expressly states that a course of conduct that someone alleges to be harassment will not be deemed so if the person who pursued it shows that in the particular circumstances the pursuit of the course of conduct was reasonable. We hold a legitimate interest in contacting you on behalf of our Client regarding this matter and the subsequent outstanding balance. There are 6 different lawful bases for processing personal data laid out within Article 6 of the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and enshrined in UK law within the Data Protection Act 2018. The bases that we rely on are the contract basis, which applies where the processing is necessary to enforce a contract, and Legitimate Interest, which covers the needs of a business unless there is an overriding interest in protecting this data. If you would like to know more about this, we would refer you to the ICO website on this matter.

Should you have any further queries please contact our office on 0113 487 0430, or sign in or register on our Customer Portal at www.bwlegal.co.uk.

Alternatively you could contact us via live chat at https://www.bwlegal.co.uk/help/contact-us which is open from Monday to Friday 8am - 5pm and Saturday 9am - 2:45pm.

Your response is required in order for us to proceed, and you can reply directly to this email.

If you would like to view the full contact history or submit a new query, please log into our Customer Portal by clicking here.

Yours sincerely,

BW Legal
"

Not sure what to make of the harassment bit.

We've already been asked for a signed statement by bw legal in April, but we replied that the TOL had already been sent to Countrywide and acknowledged (around 15 April) before bw legal got involved. So they can't say their client requires a signed statement.

I'm not sure why issuing the NtK within 14 days makes it magically PoFA-compliant.
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on October 17, 2025, 10:22:48 pm
Thanks ! Will do
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: b789 on October 17, 2025, 07:18:22 pm
Respond with the following:

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Subject: Repeated request for driver details – liability already transferred

Dear BW Legal,

Your email of 4 October 2025 repeats a request I have already satisfied.

On 9 April 2025 I provided your client, Countrywide Parking Management, with the driver’s full name and address for service:

Name: [FULL NAME]
Address: The Collective, Nash House, Old Oak Lane, London NW10 6FF
Email: [EMAIL]
Phone: [PHONE]

Countrywide acknowledged my correspondence on 15 April 2025 and confirmed they would action the transfer. On 11 August 2025 your own email stated “the issue has been resolved” and “no further action is required from you at this time”.

PoFA Schedule 4 requires only that the keeper provides the name and a current address for service of the driver before proceedings. It does not require a signed statement, a portal submission, or any particular form. I have complied. Any assertion that you or your client are “legally entitled” to pursue me as keeper is wrong in law. In any event, your client’s NtK was not compliant with PoFA.

Furthermore, I must highlight that different departments within BW Legal appear to be working at cross-purposes.

On 11 August 2025, your email stated that “the issue has been resolved” and “no further action is required”. Despite this, a separate team continues to send automated demands and duplicate requests for the same information. This demonstrates a lack of internal communication and oversight, resulting in contradictory correspondence and unnecessary processing of my personal data.

Please ensure your internal workflows are synchronised and that all departments are aware that liability has already been transferred.

You must now update your file to reflect that keeper liability is extinguished and cease processing my personal data for enforcement. There is no lawful basis for continued processing against me; reliance on “legitimate interests” fails where the target is not liable.

Confirm in writing within 7 days that:
1. your records have been updated to the named driver shown above,
2. all processing of my personal data for enforcement has ceased and my data has been removed from your active systems,
3. you have advised your client accordingly.

If you continue to contact me about payment or threaten recovery as keeper, I will escalate complaints to the ICO and DVLA and I will consider a claim under section 168 DPA 2018 for distress arising from unlawful processing. Further duplicate requests for the same information will be treated as harassment and misuse of data.

Additionally, should you continue to pursue me as keeper despite having the driver’s details and despite your conflicting internal communications, I will refer this matter to the SRA for potential breaches of the Standards and Regulations (misleading communications, failure to supervise, and improper reliance on PoFA), and to the FCA regarding your debt-collection practices.

Unless you are sending a compliant Letter of Claim to which I will respond in due course, do not contact me again save to confirm closure.

Yours faithfully,

[Your name]
[Your address]
[Date]
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on October 17, 2025, 06:57:20 pm
       Hello,

What a mess at BW Legal. This has been received:

"14 October 2025

Dear x,xxx

Thank you for contacting us, please find our response below:

Good Morning.
 

Thank you for contacting BW Legal.

We write in correspondence to the above matter.

We note your comments that you were not the driver of the vehicle at the time of the contravention.

It may be possible for us to transfer liability to the driver of the vehicle, provided that we receive a signed statement from yourself, providing the driver's full name, serviceable address and postcode.

On receipt of this, we will put this to our Client for their consideration.

Please be advised, should you fail to provide the requested statement, our Client is legally entitled to pursue you, as the Registered Keeper of the vehicle, under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.

Should you have any further queries please contact our office on 0113 487 0430, or sign in or register on our Customer Portal at www.bwlegal.co.uk.

Alternatively you could contact us via live chat at https://www.bwlegal.co.uk/help/contact-us which is open from Monday to Friday 8am - 5:00pm and Saturday 9am - 2:45pm.

Your response is required in order for us to proceed, and you can reply directly to this email.

If you would like to view the full contact history or submit a new query, please log into our Customer Portal by clicking here.


Yours sincerely,

BW Legal
"

I'm not sure what correspondence they're referring to. I'll just send them the address for the xth time I guess.
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: b789 on August 12, 2025, 01:52:56 pm
Yes — that’s exactly what it looks like. You’ve essentially got two separate BW Legal workflows operating in parallel:

• Collections/Litigation workflow – the one that sent you the Final Demand and threatened escalation to a Letter of Claim.
• “Liability Transfer” workflow – the one that just emailed you saying the matter is “resolved” but still asked for the driver’s details again.

This mismatch happens because BW Legal operates in silos: one team is chasing payment, the other is processing “not the driver” declarations, and they don’t always update each other’s systems in real time.

This is good for you because if they ever tried to issue a claim now, you would be able to point to:

• BW Legal’s own written statement that “the issue has been resolved” and “no further action is required” (this is gold — it undermines any claim that a debt is still owed).
• The fact you already gave the driver’s details back on 9 April 2025 — meaning PoFA liability was extinguished.
• The conflicting correspondence as evidence of unreasonable conduct under CPR 27.14(2)(g).

I suggest you preserve both:

• The “Final Demand” dated 16 June 2025, and
• The 11 August 2025 “issue has been resolved” email.

You can send one short, response to BW Legal, referencing both communications and asking for written confirmation that all processing of your personal data is ceased.

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Subject: Confirmation of Case Closure – Conflicting Correspondence

Dear BW Legal,

I note your email dated 11 August 2025 stating:

As the issue has been resolved, no further action is required from you at this time.”

This directly contradicts your earlier “Final Demand” dated 16 June 2025 threatening escalation to a Letter of Claim.

For clarity: I provided the full name and serviceable address of the driver to your client, Countrywide Parking Management Limited, on 9 April 2025. Under Paragraph 5(1)(b) of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, any right to recover these charges from me as registered keeper has ceased.

Please now confirm, in writing, that:

• My personal data has been removed from your systems under Article 17 UK GDPR.
• Neither you nor your client will pursue me for this matter in future.
• I will retain your email of 11 August 2025 as evidence should this matter be escalated further.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on August 12, 2025, 10:06:14 am
I haven't seen a template LOC response so have submitted the following online:

I will strongly defend any claim in regards to CPM xxxx and xxxx issued by your client Countrywide because:
- your client's notice to keeper does not comply with the requirements of paragraph 9 (2) of schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedom Act 2012
- I provided the driver's details to your client on 9 April
      Name: xxxxxx
      Address: The Collective, Nash House, Old Oak Ln, London NW10 6FF
      Email: xxxxxx@yahoo.co.uk
      Phone: 07xxxxxx
- contrary to what you assert, I have replied to every one of your messages as well as your client's. This is documented

Regards


Also, an email was received from BW Legal which asks for the driver's details and says that the "issue has been resolved" .....

"BW Logo
NOTICE
You have a new message
Please read through the information below.

Message

Account Details
Contact Date: 11 August 2025
Our Reference: Txxxx
Our Client: Countrywide Parking Management Limited
Query Type: Txxxx

11 August 2025

Dear xxxxx,

Good Morning,

We write in reference to the above matter and your recent correspondence.
We note your comments that you were not the driver of the vehicle at the time of the contravention. It may be possible for us to transfer liability to the driver of the vehicle, provided that we receive a signed statement from yourself, providing the driver's full name, serviceable address and postcode.
On receipt of this, we will put this to our Client for their consideration.
In regards to our data policy please note you can view how we handle your data on our website.
Should you have any further queries please contact our office on 0113 487 0430, or sign in or register on our Customer Portal at www.bwlegal.co.uk.
Alternatively you could contact us via live chat at https://www.bwlegal.co.uk/help/contact-us which is open from Monday to Friday 8am - 5:00pm and Saturday 9am - 2:45pm.
As the issue has been resolved, no further action is required from you at this time.
If you would like to view the full contact history or submit a new query, please log into our Customer Portal by clicking here.

Yours sincerely,

BW Legal
"

It looks like there are competing departments at BW Legal which don't talk to each other.
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: H C Andersen on July 28, 2025, 08:34:47 am
The ball's in their court and whatever you say, however eloquently presented, is unlikely(AKA not going) to convince the creditor to drop their claim. These companies go to the wire.

I think b789 has a template LOC response which can be amended. For me, simple statements like 'I do not agree that...', 'I dispute that A did B etc.' and will ***** (whatever adjective you feel appropriate e.g. rigorously, strongly etc.) defend any claim.... would suffice.
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on July 27, 2025, 10:18:12 pm
OK but, I suppose I must first reply on time to their pre-action letter for the sake of showing good faith. Are you saying I should not try to convince them to drop the whole case at this stage, but rather let them to issue the claim form and put all the right stuff in the Defence and Reply (and perhaps counterclaim) ?
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: H C Andersen on July 27, 2025, 07:44:22 pm
You would add this to your defence but don't argue the toss with the creditor's 'enforcement' process.

The more arguable points in your defence(which you file after they issue a claim)the more b789's procedural arguments might persuade them to cut their losses AKA not pay the hearing fee.
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on July 27, 2025, 07:28:09 pm
I agree with this line of thought.

Yet a pre-action letter is part of CPR and it is supposed to expose the facts of the case. Here, given the number of messages sent to Countrywide and BW, the opening statement is an outright falsehood:
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So that doesn't help their case either.

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Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: H C Andersen on July 27, 2025, 07:09:30 pm
If you want to transfer liability then you are obliged to give a 'current address for service'.

You did not.

Your argument i.e. one which you as keeper may make in court proceedings, is that if they assert that you are liable as keeper then the NTK is non-compliant.

IMO, this is not about transferring liability and you should stop promoting this because on its own it must fail.

As regards substantive defences as opposed to purely CPR-based ones(which might indeed exist), I therefore suggest you start by scrutinising your 'relevant land' argument on its own merits which IMO has far more merit.

I suggest you re-order your arguments in preparation for a hearing because you won't convince the creditor to drop their pursuit of you as keeper:

'The Collective' cannot be considered to meet the requirement to specify the 'relevant land' for the purposes of para. 9 of Schedule 4 because it fails to give the keeper sufficient detail in order for them to compile an informed defence;

But, if the court find that it is, then the details of the driver's current address for service you provided to the claimant should be considered to meet the requirements of PoFA and therefore the claimant's claim against the keeper must fail.

..you would claim.
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on July 27, 2025, 05:39:02 pm
I used the full address of contravention as mentioned on the PCN ie. "The Collective" because I know the driver lived there. Countrywide obviously know where this is exactly. Otherwise their PCN is invalid.

That being said, there are several the Collective in the UK but I've taken the time to do some detective work examining the photos closely and I believe it could be the one in NW10 6FF. Should I write to them and give them the post code even though they obviously have it?


Missing pages of BW's pre-action letter as a continuation of my previous post (I can only post 4 at a time)

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Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: H C Andersen on July 27, 2025, 05:32:27 pm


? Just read this thread and I cannot find anywhere where you provided a 'current address for service' for the driver.

Service would be by post and therefore as I understand the Civil Procedure Rules require an address for service to include a post code.

Did you supply a post code? 
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on July 27, 2025, 03:18:41 pm
Thanks a lot.
I was thinking of ignoring this but it turns out BW also sent a pre-action letter, claiming they've never heard back despite their multiple efforts to contact the keeper ! ("unfortunately, all of our efforts have failed").
I'm not sure how they seriously hope to be successful in court with such a demonstrably false allegation.


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Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: b789 on July 27, 2025, 10:20:42 am
Reply with:

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Subject: Final Notice – Failure to Respond to Erasure Request and Continued Unlawful Processing

Dear BW Legal,

Your email dated 16 July 2025 is noted. It is legally and procedurally deficient.

You have already been provided with:

• The BW Legal reference number
• The client reference
• The full name and address for service of the driver
• Multiple formal notices asserting extinguishment of keeper liability

Your failure to respond substantively to my erasure request dated 27 June 2025 constitutes a breach of UK GDPR Article 17, which requires a response within one calendar month. That deadline expired on 27 July 2025.

You are now formally placed on notice that unless I receive written confirmation by 5:00pm on Friday 1 August 2025 that:

• All processing of my personal data has ceased;
• My data has been erased under Article 17 UK GDPR;
• No further enforcement action will be directed at me as keeper;

I will escalate formal complaints to:

• The Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO) for unlawful processing and failure to comply with an erasure request;
• The DVLA for misuse of keeper data;
• The Solicitors Regulation Authority (SRA) for professional misconduct;
• And, if necessary, commence a County Court claim under Section 168 DPA 2018 for compensation for distress.

Your continued pursuit is legally baseless and exposes you to regulatory and civil liability.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Full Name]

[Your Address]
[Your Reference Number]
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on July 26, 2025, 10:18:13 pm
Hello to all,

BW Legal are funny. They claim that they can't locate the case based on my email, full name and dated reference to their letter... and that they need my address and both case references. Any IT will allow them to search, my name is not John Smith and I don't have a collection of disputed PCNs with Countrywide.

From: BW Legal <C6@bwlegal.co.uk>
Date: 16 July 2025 at 13:46:10 BST
To: xxxx <xxxx@xxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: Unlawful Processing Continues – Final Demand Received Despite Liability Being Transferred

Good Afternoon,
Thank you for your contact.
Please be advised we are unable to locate this matter without further information.
Please confirm the BW Legal and Client reference for this matter.
For security purposes, please confirm your full name and address.
Upon receipt, we can assist you further.
Should you have any further queries please contact our office on 0113 487 0430, or sign in or register on our Customer Portal at www.bwlegal.co.uk.
Alternatively you could contact us via live chat at https://www.bwlegal.co.uk/help/contact-us.
Kind regards,
BW Legal
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: b789 on June 27, 2025, 11:10:44 am
In which case respond with the following:

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Subject: Unlawful Processing Continues – Final Demand Received Despite Liability Being Transferred

Dear BW Legal,

I refer to your “Final Demand” letter dated 16 June 2025 regarding the above matter.

This letter was received despite your ongoing failure to respond to my prior correspondence, in which I clearly advised that the name and address for service of the driver were provided to your client before any legal proceedings were initiated. Under Paragraph 5(1)(b) of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, your client is no longer entitled to recover the parking charges from me as registered keeper.

This letter now serves as final notice that your continued pursuit of me is unlawful. You are processing my personal data without a lawful basis, in breach of:

• Article 6(1) UK GDPR (no lawful basis for processing)
• Article 5(1)(a) and (c) (lawfulness, fairness, and data minimisation)
• Section 168 Data Protection Act 2018 (liability for distress caused by misuse)

You are also now placed on notice that the original Notice to Keeper issued by your client was non-compliant with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 in multiple respects, which would invalidate any attempt to rely on PoFA to transfer liability in the first place.

Should you or your client continue to pursue me as Keeper for a liability that has been extinguished, I will have no option but to escalate a formal complaint to:

• The Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO) for unlawful processing of personal data;
• The DVLA, whose data has been misused;
• And, if necessary, I will issue a County Court claim under s.168 DPA 2018.

A copy of your client’s acknowledgement of receipt of the named driver’s details will be relied upon in evidence in any such proceedings.

I require written confirmation by 5:00pm on Friday 5 July 2025 that this matter is closed and that my data will be erased from your systems under Article 17 UK GDPR.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on June 27, 2025, 10:40:17 am
The response you proposed in reply 31 was indeed sent as instructed and we got no response other than this latest letter from BW legal.
They ignored it, just like they ignored the fact we sent details for the driver.
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: b789 on June 27, 2025, 09:49:27 am
Can you please be a bit clearer what you are on about?

You have just found WHAT email? Who has ignored "it"? What is "it"?
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on June 27, 2025, 08:57:07 am
Sorry, I made a mistake in my initial reply. I've found the email. They've just ignored it altogether.
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: b789 on June 27, 2025, 08:36:54 am
So send the letter as advised!!!
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on June 27, 2025, 08:28:59 am
I believe I did.
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: jfollows on June 26, 2025, 05:47:34 pm
Did you send the response in Reply #31? If so, what happened as a result?
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on June 26, 2025, 04:21:39 pm
Hello,

Here's the latest from BW legal.
I guess I need to wait for a LoC

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Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: b789 on April 26, 2025, 11:45:32 am
Respond with the following:

Quote
To: disputeresolution@bwlegal.co.uk
Cc: complaints@countrywideparking.co.uk; support@countrywideparking.zendesk.com

Subject: Formal Notice – Liability Extinguished – Unlawful Pursuit and Data Breach Warning

Dear BW Legal,

I write in response to your email dated 17 April 2025 and your letter dated 22 April 2025.

Your position is entirely incorrect. I have already provided your client, Countrywide Parking Management, with the full name and address for service of the driver prior to any legal proceedings being issued. Your client has acknowledged receipt of this information. Under Schedule 4, Paragraph 5(1)(b) of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, this extinguished any keeper liability.

There is no requirement under PoFA for the keeper to submit a signed statement or to use any online portal to transfer liability. Providing the name and address in writing to the creditor is sufficient to comply with the law. Your demand for a signed statement has no legal basis.

In any event, your client's Notice to Keeper was non-compliant with PoFA and incapable of transferring keeper liability even if the driver had not been named.

You and your client have been placed on notice that pursuing me as the registered keeper after a valid transfer of liability constitutes unlawful processing of personal data, contrary to:

• Article 5(1)(a) of the UK GDPR (no lawful basis for processing)
• Article 5(1)(c) and (e) (data minimisation and storage limitation)
• Section 168 of the Data Protection Act 2018 (distress caused by misuse of data)

Your reference to "legitimate interest" under GDPR is misconceived and legally embarrassing. There is no legitimate interest in pursuing a party who is not liable. Continuing to process my personal data in these circumstances is unlawful.

You are now formally put on notice that unless I receive confirmation within 7 days that:

1. All processing of my personal data has ceased;
2. No further enforcement action will be directed at me as registered keeper; and
3. This matter has been correctly reassigned to the named driver,

I will escalate formal complaints to the DVLA, the Information Commissioner's Office (ICO), Solicitors Regulation Authority (SRA) and, if necessary, commence a claim under Section 168 of the Data Protection Act 2018 for compensation for distress arising from your unlawful processing.

You are also warned that adding £140 in purported "debt recovery costs" is a clear attempt to inflate the original charge, contrary to established consumer protection law principles.

All correspondence is retained and will be used in evidence should it become necessary.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
[Your Address]
[Date]
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on April 26, 2025, 12:14:16 am
Hello,


I was about to reply but 2 letters have arrived from BW Legal.

The first one is a response to the email correspondence. BW Legal were not copied on the email sent to Countrywide with the driver details, yet their first allegation is false. They ask for a signed statement now. It's also a rebuttal of the GPDR arguments.
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The second one is I guess an automatic threat letter sent each time Countrywide transfers a file to BW Legal.
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The email I posted earlier was actually sent after these letters were written.

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Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: b789 on April 24, 2025, 07:58:21 pm
You already have all the information that you can give and why it fulfils the PoFA requirements for transfer of liability away from the Keeper. Respond as you think you should.
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on April 24, 2025, 06:05:49 pm
       Hello,

Countrywide has not replied but a message from BW legal was received. It looks like a standard cut and paste.
I suppose it can safely be ignored but it might be worth replying because, as you suggested, BW have access to searching tools if provided with a building address, email and phone number but no flat number.

Regards

Dear xxxxx

Good Morning,

We write in response to your recent contact.

Please provide us with all the details requested for the driver of the vehicle on the date of the contravention.

Please provide a signed statement, providing the full name, serviceable address and postcode of the driver and we will put this to our Client for their consideration.

Once received, we can then query this with our client.

Should you have any further queries please contact our office on 0113 487 0430, or sign in or register on our Customer Portal at www.bwlegal.co.uk.

Alternatively you could contact us via live chat at https://www.bwlegal.co.uk/help/contact-us which is open from Monday to Friday 8am - 5pm and Saturday 9am - 2:45pm.

If you have any further issues or new questions that you would like us to assist you with, we kindly request that you use the contact options below to submit a new query.

You can also log into our Customer Portal by clicking here, and go to the Contact History of your account to view or respond to the contact.


Yours sincerely,

BW Legal

Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: b789 on April 18, 2025, 04:56:34 pm
Respond as follows:

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Subject: Final Notice – Transfer of Liability Provided – Continued Misuse of Keeper Data

Dear Countrywide Parking Management,

I refer to your response dated 17 April 2025 in which you refuse to action the transfer of liability on the grounds that the address provided for the driver is “not a serviceable address”. That is legally incorrect and your position is now untenable.

For the avoidance of doubt, I have provided the full name and the most accurate address for service I hold for the driver. This was provided in writing before any legal proceedings were issued. This satisfies my obligation under Schedule 4, Paragraph 5(1)(b) of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. You are no longer entitled to pursue the registered keeper.

PoFA does not require the keeper to use a specific website or appeal portal, nor does it require that the address be validated or proven beyond what the keeper reasonably knows. Your refusal to accept the driver’s details on the grounds that I have not used your online form is procedurally invalid and appears to be a deliberate attempt to frustrate the legal transfer of liability.

Further, your Notice to Keeper fails to comply with multiple requirements of Schedule 4 of PoFA, meaning you cannot in any event rely on PoFA to hold the keeper liable.

Your continued processing of my personal data for enforcement purposes is now unlawful. You are in breach of:

• Article 5(1)(a) of the UK GDPR (no lawful basis for processing);
• Article 5(1)(c) and (e) (data minimisation and retention);
• Section 168 of the Data Protection Act 2018 (distress caused by misuse of personal data).

You are now given final notice that, unless I receive written confirmation within 7 days that:

1. All processing of my data has ceased; and
2. No further correspondence will be directed to me as keeper,

I will escalate the matter to the Information Commissioner’s Office and the DVLA as a formal complaint regarding unlawful processing and misuse of keeper data obtained from the vehicle register.

This correspondence is retained and will be used in evidence in any proceedings.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
[Your Address]
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on April 18, 2025, 02:44:41 pm
The message but sent but here's the answer.
Obviously, they've ignored the paragraph about PoFA non compliance which takes away their right to transfer liability to the keeper.

Your request (67xxx) has been updated. To add additional comments, reply to this email.
Customer Service Agent (BX) (Countrywide Parking Management)

17 Apr 2025, 16:36 GMT+1

Dear Sir
 
Unfortunately, we will not be actioning this transfer of liability as the address you have provided for the driver is not a serviceable address.
 
Please use the link provided if this information is provided.
 
You can transfer liability by visiting the following webpage - https://countrywide-liability.zatappeal.com
 
You must provide a full and serviceable address for the person to which you are transferring liability too. You should also provide any evidence that will support your transfer of liability.
 
If we are not provided with the driver’s details, we have the right to recover from you, the registered keeper, under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, schedule 4.
 
Kind regards
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: b789 on April 15, 2025, 02:55:36 pm
The address you gave was incomplete (“The Collective”) but you provided it in good faith and as far as you knew at the time. Countrywide has now acknowledged the transfer of liability and asked you to supply the flat number — meaning they accept your right to transfer liability and are treating your notice as valid in principle.

Respond with the following:

Quote
Subject: Re: Transfer of Liability – Best Available Address for Service

Dear Countrywide Parking Management,

Thank you for your response confirming that you are now actioning the transfer of liability.

I can confirm that the information I have provided — including the driver’s name and the address at The Collective — is accurate and was given in good faith and to the best of my knowledge. I do not hold a flat number for the driver and therefore cannot supply one. The address provided is where the driver resides and receives post.

For the avoidance of doubt, this information has been provided prior to the commencement of any legal proceedings and therefore satisfies my obligations under Schedule 4, Paragraph 5(1)(b) of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. The statutory conditions for keeper liability no longer apply.

For the avoidance of doubt, the information provided — including the name and postal address at The Collective — was given in good faith and to the best of my knowledge. I do not hold a flat number. However, you routinely engage debt recovery agencies who are capable of conducting address verification through credit reference tools. You would use these methods to trace a Keeper who ignored correspondence, and you are equally able to use them to complete tracing of the named driver if you genuinely intended to act on the transfer.

In any event, your Notice to Keeper fails to comply with the requirements of PoFA and is therefore incapable of creating keeper liability in any case. You are not entitled to pursue the registered keeper, and any continued processing of my personal data would be unlawful.

Please now confirm that all processing of my data in relation to this matter has ceased and that no further enforcement or correspondence will be directed to me as the registered keeper. If you do not confirm this, I will escalate the matter to the DVLA and the Information Commissioner’s Office without further notice.

Yours faithfully,
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on April 15, 2025, 02:41:32 pm
You suggested that I write:
"I do not hold a current postal address for the driver. This information is provided in good faith and to the best of my knowledge."

and added
If you don’t know a postal address, it’s best to say so clearly, but understand that this likely means you will remain liable under PoFA. But... as the NtK is not fully compliant with all the requirements of PoFA, you cannot be liable as the Keeper.

but this recommendation arrived after I had already used your 1ˢᵗ draft to email Countrywide, providing "The Collective" as the driver's postal address.

I suppose I could reply this that I've provided all the information I hold about the driver in good faith.
(By the way, with the help of some Google Maps forensics, I'm pretty sure I've figured out where this place sits. It's an apartment block catering to students.)
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: b789 on April 15, 2025, 02:10:00 pm
In other words, you did not provide a serviceable address for the driver. I give up!!!

Transfer of liability. But I'm not sure the term applies to private parking charges since it's the other way round: the liability is with the driver and they are attempting to transfer liability to the keeper.

If an NtK is fully PoFA compliant and the Keeper was not the driver but wants to transfer liability away from themselves, then they need to transfer that liability back to the driver by naming them and providing a serviceable address.

If the Keeper does not provide a serviceable address, then transfer of liability has not been deflected from the Keeper.
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on April 15, 2025, 01:58:34 pm
The you sent the Transfer of Liability (ToL) message as advised, did you actually provide an actual serviceable address for the driver? Are you saying that you simply gave the drivers address as "The Colonnades" or did you provide something more specific?
I provided "The Collective" as the address because that's all I have and the driver told me he lived there. Countrywide must know where this is exactly since that's the location specified on the NtK. They're only after a flat number.

If the address of a building without a flat # does not qualify as address for service under PoFA and nor does the email, then we might need to dispute the validity of the NtK to nullify the TOL to the keeper.
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on April 15, 2025, 01:55:49 pm
Transfer of liability. But I'm not sure the term applies to private parking charges since it's the other way round: the liability is with the driver and they are attempting to transfer liability to the keeper.
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: b789 on April 15, 2025, 01:52:56 pm
The you sent the Transfer of Liability (ToL) message as advised, did you actually provide an actual serviceable address for the driver? Are you saying that you simply gave the drivers address as "The Colonnades" or did you provide something more specific?
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: jfollows on April 15, 2025, 12:49:57 pm
Transfer Of something?

Liability I guess.
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: jfollows on April 15, 2025, 12:48:57 pm
TOL ???

Do you know what this means?
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on April 15, 2025, 12:41:53 pm
Thanks a lot.

Message was sent. Countrywide just replied in 2 emails, which are not cut and paste this time.

The first message is a bit confusing but we get the gist of it. They just can't seem to get the point we're trying to make.

Customer Service Agent (BX) (Countrywide Parking Management)

15 Apr 2025, 11:55 GMT+1

Good Morning
 
Thank you for your email.
 
This is the first correspondence we have received on Wednesday 9th April regarding a TOL for these parking charge notices CPMxxxxxx/CPMxxxxx. Please could you confirm how you informed us originally of the TOL?
 
We have already said, "As we did not receive this TOL before this went to debt recovery, you would need to contact them to give them the information."
 
We have never refused to take action on this TOL or informed you this TOL was "invalid." Upon the motorist informing BW Legal, they would then process all the relevant information and pass it on to us.
 
As you have now contacted BW Legal and they will now be aware, we will action this TOL from our end.
 
Hope this clarifies any concerns you may have.
 
Kind regards



Second message a few moments later. At least they're acting on it. Not sure how to twist the reply since I don't even know where the Collective is, let alone the flat number. Is an address valid without a flat number ?

Customer Service Agent (BX) (Countrywide Parking Management)

15 Apr 2025, 12:02 GMT+1

Good Morning
 
Please confirm the full address for the transfer of Liability as we do not have a flat number in The Collective to transfer this to.
 
Please submit this asap for us to action this.
 
Name
Postal address for service: The Collective
Email: xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.co.uk
Phone: 07xxxxxxx

Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: b789 on April 14, 2025, 04:26:42 pm
Email the following to Countrywide at their response email address with BW Legal copied in (and yourself), setting out the legal position and warning of escalation to the DVLA and ICO due to their continued breaches of PoFA, UK GDPR, and the Data Protection Act 2018.

Quote
To: support@countrywideparking.zendesk.com
Cc: disputeresolution@bwlegal.co.uk; complaints@countrywideparking.co.uk

Subject: Formal Notice – Continued Breaches of PoFA, GDPR and DPA 2018 – Notice of Imminent Escalation

Dear Countrywide Parking Management,

I acknowledge your most recent reply of 14 April 2025.

You have now received, in writing, the full name and current address for service of the driver responsible for the alleged parking charge. This information was provided to you before any court proceedings were issued, and therefore satisfies the conditions under Paragraph 5(1)(b) of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.

Your claim that this transfer of liability is invalid because the matter had already been passed to debt recovery is legally incorrect. Passing a case to a debt recovery agent does not constitute “proceedings” under PoFA. You remain the data controller, and you are still legally obligated to act on the information you received from the keeper. Your repeated refusal to do so constitutes a continued breach of your statutory duties.

Your conduct now breaches the following legal obligations:

• Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, by unlawfully continuing to pursue the registered keeper despite a valid transfer of liability
• Article 5(1)(a) of the UK GDPR, by processing personal data without a lawful basis
• Article 5(1)(c) and (e), by retaining and using unnecessary personal data beyond the point of legal justification
• Section 168 of the Data Protection Act 2018, by causing unjustified distress through misuse of personal data

You are also knowingly directing a legal firm, BW Legal, to act on unenforceable instructions in pursuit of a party who is no longer liable. BW Legal has now been made fully aware of this position and of your refusal to acknowledge the lawful transfer of liability.

Unless you confirm within 7 days that:

1. All further processing of the keeper’s personal data has ceased,
2. BW Legal has been instructed to stop all contact with the keeper, and
3. Liability has been correctly reassigned to the named driver,

I will escalate this matter without further notice to both the Information Commissioner’s Office and the DVLA as a formal complaint regarding misuse of personal data obtained from the vehicle register.

This situation is entirely of your own making. You have been given multiple opportunities to comply with the law and have instead chosen to deflect responsibility while continuing to process data unlawfully. All correspondence and responses are retained and will be used as evidence.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Full Name]
[Your Address]
[Your Email]
[Date]
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on April 14, 2025, 02:37:21 pm
         Hello,

I sent both messages as advised to the specified addresses.

It looks Countrywide treats mails to complaints@countrywideparking.co.uk as spam, yet they replied with a similar standard response.

From: Countrywide Parking Management <support@countrywideparking.zendesk.com>
Date: 14 April 2025 at 09:xx:xx BST
To: xxxxxx <xxxx@xxxx.com>
Cc: Disputeresolution <disputeresolution@bwlegal.co.uk>, Complaints <complaints@countrywideparking.co.uk>
Subject: [Countrywide Parking Management] Re: ***SPAM*** Notices to Keeper – Liability Extinguished – PoFA and Data Protection Act 2018"
Reply-To: Countrywide Parking Management <support+idxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@countrywideparking.zendesk.com>


Your request (xxxxx) has been updated. To add additional comments, reply to this email.
Customer Service Agent (BX) (Countrywide Parking Management)

14 Apr 2025, 09:xx GMT+1

Dear Sir
 
As this had escalated to debt recovery before you transferred the liability, you will need to contact them.
 
Your case has now been passed to B W Legal, our third-party debt recovery agents of whom are now acting on our behalf for this Parking Charge. All correspondence concerning this parking charge must now be directed to BW Legal Ltd.
 
You can contact BW Legal by using the below details:
 
BW Legal
Enterprise House
1 Apex View
Holbeck
Leeds
LS11 9BH
https://www.bwlegal.co.uk/help
0113 487 0430
 
Kind regards,
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on April 12, 2025, 12:06:28 am
I've searched the web for an answer to my question about the meaning of "proceedings to recover the unpaid parking charges" and whether hiring a debt recovery meets the definition, but did't find anything.

The only clue I found was in Govt Guidance on Section 56 and Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012: Recovery of Unpaid Parking Charges where proceedings are only described as actions in court:

But this is not compelling and govt guidance doesn't carry much weight (eg. difference between statute and guidance during COVID lockdowns).

Although I trust the expertise of this forum's members, I'd like understand this point since the entire argument is based on the fact that legal proceedings have not yet started.
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on April 11, 2025, 10:14:30 am
Thanks a lot.

I see that PoFA 5(2) just refers to "proceedings", which is vague. Is it well established that this should be understood as "court proceedings" ?
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: b789 on April 11, 2025, 10:02:48 am
Respond to that with the following to complaints@countrywideparking.co.uk and CC in BW Legal at disputeresolution@bwlegal.co.uk and yourself:

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Subject: Notice to Keeper – Liability Extinguished – PoFA and Data Protection Act 2018

Dear Countrywide Parking Management,

Further to your response dated 10 April 2025, I confirm that I have now provided you with the full name and address for service of the driver in accordance with Schedule 4, Paragraph 5(1)(b) of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. This was done before any court proceedings were issued, which means that liability has lawfully transferred and you may no longer pursue the registered keeper for this charge.

Passing the matter to BW Legal or any third party does not constitute legal proceedings within the meaning of Paragraph 5(2), and does not alter the statutory position. You remain the data controller and are responsible for complying with your obligations under both PoFA and data protection law.

Continuing to process my personal data for the purpose of enforcement, now that you are no longer entitled to pursue me, is in breach of the UK General Data Protection Regulation and the Data Protection Act 2018. In particular, it breaches the following principles under Article 5(1) UK GDPR:

(a) Lawfulness, fairness and transparency – you no longer have a lawful basis to process my data;
(c) Data minimisation – you are continuing to process data that is no longer necessary;
(e) Storage limitation – you are retaining my data beyond the point where it is lawfully required.

In addition, your continued processing would now amount to unlawful profiling or automated decision-making in breach of Article 22 UK GDPR.

Any further use of my personal data in relation to this charge may result in a formal complaint to the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO) and a claim for compensation under Section 168 of the Data Protection Act 2018, which allows a data subject to recover damages for distress caused by unlawful processing.

You are now required to delete my personal data from your enforcement systems and to confirm in writing that all further processing has ceased. The data subject in this case is no longer the registered keeper, but the named driver.

If the person reading this does not fully understand the legal basis for this response, or does not comprehend the risks of continuing to process my data unlawfully, then you are strongly advised to escalate this to your company’s Data Protection Officer or whoever is responsible for ensuring legal and data compliance. You should also refer this matter to your legal advisors if necessary. Continuing to ignore or misapply the law at this stage may result in a regulatory complaint and a legal claim for damages under Section 168 of the Data Protection Act 2018.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
[Your Address]

You can also send the following to BW Legal at disputeresolution@bwlegal.co.uk and CC in Countrywide at complaints@countrywideparking.co.uk and also CC in yourself:

Quote
Subject: Notice – Unlawful Processing and Failure to Advise Client of Keeper Liability Extinguishment

Dear BW Legal,

I am writing in relation to your involvement in the recovery of a parking charge issued by your client, Countrywide Parking Management. You are currently acting in the role of debt recovery agent, and your client is the data controller.

I am the registered keeper of the vehicle in question, but I am not liable for the charge. Prior to any court proceedings being issued, I provided your client with the full name and current address for service of the driver. This satisfies the requirement under Paragraph 5(1)(b) of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. The legal consequence of this is that your client is no longer entitled to pursue the keeper, and any enforcement must now be directed solely at the identified driver.

Your client has refused to acknowledge this transfer of liability and has attempted to refer me to your firm instead. As a firm of legal professionals, you are under a duty to advise your client of the statutory position and the consequences of disregarding it. You are now aware that your client has received valid driver details before proceedings were issued, and that continued pursuit of the registered keeper is unlawful.

If you continue to process or act upon my personal data for enforcement purposes despite knowing that I am not liable, you will be in breach of the UK General Data Protection Regulation and the Data Protection Act 2018. You will have no lawful basis for such processing, and the breach will fall squarely on you as a data processor or joint controller.

The relevant UK GDPR principles being breached or at risk of breach include:

• Article 5(1)(a) – lawfulness, fairness and transparency
• Article 5(1)(c) – data minimisation
• Article 5(1)(e) – storage limitation

You are now formally notified that:

1. Your client is acting unlawfully in continuing to pursue the keeper,
2. You have a professional responsibility to advise them of their legal error,
3. Any further processing of my personal data by you or your client for enforcement purposes will be treated as a data breach,
4. All relevant correspondence, including my prior notification to your client, has been retained and will be used in evidence in any proceedings or complaints.

I suggest you bring this matter to your client’s immediate attention and confirm to me within 14 days that no further contact will be made with the keeper and that all processing of my personal data has ceased.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
[Your Address]
[Date]
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on April 10, 2025, 10:28:48 pm
The standard reply came quickly. I didn't even need to redact anything.
I wonder if this can just be safely ignored. Isn't it up to them to forward my message to their agents ?

Customer Service Agent (A-M) (Countrywide Parking Management)

10 Apr 2025, 15:xx GMT+1

Dear Sir/Madam,
 
We write in response to your recent email correspondence concerning your Parking Charge Notice.
 
Your case has now been passed to BW Legal, our third-party debt recovery agents of whom are now acting on our behalf for this Parking Charge. All correspondence concerning this parking charge must now be directed to BW Legal Ltd.
 
You can contact BW Legal by using the below details:
 
BW Legal
Enterprise House
1 Apex View
Holbeck
Leeds
LS11 9BH
https://www.bwlegal.co.uk/help
0113 487 0430
 
Kind regards,
 
Administration Team
Countrywide Parking Management Ltd | www.payapcn.co.uk

Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on April 10, 2025, 09:43:30 am
Thanks.

I get your points.

I had already sent an email (copy myself) to Countrywide based on your first draft, providing "the Collective" as the driver's address + email + phone number. If they consider that "the Collective" is not a valid address, they will have proven themselves the non-compliance of the NtK.
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: b789 on April 10, 2025, 09:31:28 am
While I understand your reasoning, an email address is not considered an adequate “address for service” under PoFA, even though paragraph 2(1)(b) refers to “an address at which the driver for the time being resides or can conveniently be contacted.”

In legal terms, the word “address” means a physical, postal address, unless the law clearly says otherwise. PoFA does not mention email anywhere and only provides rules for when a notice sent by post is considered “given.” There are no rules or legal presumptions about service or receipt by email.

The phrase “can conveniently be contacted” just widens the scope of valid postal addresses. For example, if the driver doesn’t live at their home address but can reliably receive post at a workplace, second home, or a family member’s house, that would usually be accepted. But it still has to be a place where mail can physically be delivered.

Unless the driver has explicitly agreed in writing to accept legal notices by email, providing only an email address is not enough to meet the requirements of PoFA. The parking company is therefore entitled to continue pursuing you as the keeper.

To transfer liability under PoFA, you must provide:

• The name of the driver, and
• A valid postal address for service.

If you don’t know a postal address, it’s best to say so clearly, but understand that this likely means you will remain liable under PoFA. But... as the NtK is not fully compliant with all the requirements of PoFA, you cannot be liable as the Keeper.

I suggest you send the following to Countrywide and see where it goes from there:

Quote
Dear [Creditor's Name],

Re: Parking Charge Notice [Reference Number]
Vehicle Registration: [Registration Number]

I am writing in response to the above Parking Charge Notice, issued to me as the registered keeper of the vehicle.

I was not the driver at the time of the alleged parking event. In accordance with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, I am providing the name of the driver and the only contact information I hold for them:

Driver’s Name: [Full Name]
Email Address: [Email Address]

I do not hold a current postal address for the driver. This information is provided in good faith and to the best of my knowledge.

I would also point out that the Notice to Keeper you issued does not fully comply with all the requirements of Schedule 4 of PoFA, and as such, I am under no legal obligation to identify the driver or accept any liability. Nonetheless, I am voluntarily providing the above details to assist you and enable you to pursue the matter directly with the individual you claim to be liable.

Please update your records accordingly and direct any further correspondence regarding this matter to the named individual. I would be grateful if you could confirm in writing whether you now consider that liability for this parking charge has been transferred from me as the registered keeper to the identified driver.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Full Name]
[Your Postal Address]
[Date]
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on April 09, 2025, 09:56:19 pm
Imho, email fits the definition of "an address where the driver can conveniently be contacted".
Btw, an email is a valid address for service for the land registry.
I can also give The Collective as postal address. :)
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: jfollows on April 09, 2025, 09:38:53 pm
Current address for service is defined in PoFA
Quote
“current address for service” means—
(a)
in the case of the keeper, an address which is either—

(i)
an address at which documents relating to civil proceedings could properly be served on the person concerned under Civil Procedure Rules; or

(ii)
the keeper's registered address (if there is one); or

(b)
in the case of the driver, an address at which the driver for the time being resides or can conveniently be contacted;
I don’t interpret this as allowing an email address, but after 13 years perhaps that’s a possible interpretation.

You may want to consider using a (paid for) tracing service to obtain the driver’s address.
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on April 09, 2025, 09:29:09 pm
Very interesting. Thank you for this and the draft response.


Before writing to Countrywide:

- I note that PoFA 5(2) mentions only "proceedings" and not legal proceedings so I assume there's case law for this.

- I do not have a postal address for the driver. All I know is that that he said that the contravention took place where he lives but, as you point out, "The Collective" could be a lot of different places.
I do have an email address which I believe is adequate "address for service" as required by PoFA 2(1)(b) ("an address at which the driver for the time being resides or can conveniently be contacted")

- I'm still puzzled by "Only the driver of the vehicle at the time the Parking Charge was issued should submit an appeal, we will not accept appeals submitted on behalf of the Driver". I thought only the keeper could appeal, in which case I have a good excuse for not appealing (giving away driver details is in the appeals section on their website)
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: b789 on April 09, 2025, 07:58:44 pm
Under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, a parking operator can only hold the Keeper liable if they do not know who the driver was at the time of the alleged contravention.

However, if the Keeper provides both the name of the driver and a current address for service (i.e. a valid postal address where the driver can be contacted), then the Keeper is no longer liable for the parking charge, as long as:

This is done before the parking operator begins court proceedings against the Keeper.
Even if the operator has sent a Final Reminder or passed the matter to a debt recovery agent, the Keeper can still transfer liability at this stage. Debt recovery activity is not the same as legal proceedings.

Once the driver’s details are provided, the operator must pursue the driver instead if they wish to recover the charge. The Keeper’s responsibility ends at that point under the law.

You received a parking charge as the registered keeper of the vehicle. The actual driver was someone else, and you now want to provide the parking company, Countrywide, with the name and address of that driver. However, Countrywide is refusing to accept this because the appeal period has passed or for whatever reason they give.

Under the law, specifically the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), a parking company can only make the keeper liable if they do not know who the driver was and their Notice to Keeper (NtK) was fully compliant with all those requirements. If the keeper provides both the name and current address of the driver before court proceedings begin, then the keeper is no longer liable for the charge. Court proceedings mean that a legal claim has been issued, not just a warning letter or debt collector contact.

In your case, no legal claim has been issued yet. That means you are still within your rights to give the driver’s details and stop being liable for the charge. The fact that Countrywide says they won’t accept it at this stage does not change your legal position. They are not following the law if they refuse to act on it.

Your next step is to write to Countrywide and give them the name and address of the driver. Make it clear that you are doing this under the rules set out in the Protection of Freedoms Act, and that since no legal claim has been issued, you are no longer liable. Keep a copy of your letter or email in case they try to pursue you later. If they do, you can use this in your defence and explain to the court that you followed the law and they ignored it.

You can send this to make your position clear:

Quote
Subject: Notice to Keeper – Formal Notice of Driver Identification and Liability Transfer under PoFA 2012

Dear Countrywide Parking Management,

I am writing in relation to the parking charge(s) issued to me as the registered keeper of vehicle [insert vehicle registration], relating to an alleged contravention on 31 January 2025 at "The Collective".

You are hereby formally notified, as per Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, that the driver of the vehicle at the time was:

[Full name of driver]
[Current postal address for service]


This information satisfies the requirements of paragraph 5(1)(b) of Schedule 4. No legal proceedings have been issued against me, and therefore your right to rely on keeper liability under PoFA no longer applies.

Your refusal to allow me to transfer liability at this stage is legally incorrect and indicative of either a lack of understanding of the relevant legislation or a deliberate attempt to mislead. Your appeal page wrongly states that only the driver may appeal, which contradicts the provisions of PoFA. This, along with your misleading timeframe for submitting appeals, has already been the subject of a formal complaint to the DVLA in light of your access to my personal data via the vehicle register.

You are now required to pursue the identified driver directly. Any further contact with me regarding this matter will be documented and may be used in formal complaints or legal proceedings if necessary.

Yours sincerely,

[Your full name]
[Your postal address]
[Your email address, if desired]

Even if they still refused to accept the drivers details, they cannot pursue you as the Keeper because their NtK is not PoFA compliant with paragraph 9(2)(a). They have not specified the relevant land to which the notice relates.

"The Collective" is not a location that can be identified. I did a quick Goole Maps search for "The Collective" and it threw up the following:

The Collective, Bayside Business Centre, 48 Willis Way, Poole BH15 3TB
The Collective, 17 Long St, Wotton-under-Edge GL12 7ES
The Collective, 26 Back Madoc St, Llandudno LL30 2TE
The Collective, 109 High St, Lincoln LN5 7PY
The Collective, 12, Elmwood Court, 1a Wetherby Rd, Roundhay, Leeds LS8 2JU
The Collective, City Observatory, 38 Calton Hill, Edinburgh EH7 5AA
The Collective, Lift Bridge, Plank Ln, Leigh WN7 4EZ
The Collective, 39 Seel St, Liverpool L1 4BX
The Collective, 44 Linacre Ln, Bootle L20 5AH
The Collective, 24 Drury St, Dublin, D02 V658, Ireland
The Collective, Nash House, Old Oak Ln, London NW10 6FF
The Collective, Impact Hub, 1 Triton Square, London NW1 3DS
The Collective, WeWork, 16 Great Chapel St, London
The Collective, First Floor, 95 Leather Ln, London EC1N 7TX
The Collective, 27 Charlotte Rd, London EC2A 3PB
The Collective, New Loom House, 101 Back Church Ln, London E1 1LU
The Collective, Kennington Park cafe inside Kennington Park, 4 St Agnes Pl, London SE11 4BE
The Collective, Block 1, Unit 2 Keppoch Rd, Culloden, Inverness IV2 7LL
The Collective, Torrisdale Street Studios, 100 Torrisdale St, Glasgow G42 8PH
The Collective, 15 E Campbell St, Glasgow G1 5DT
The Collective, 52 South St, Bo'ness EH51 9HA
The Collective, 139 Comiston Rd, Edinburgh EH10 5QN
The Collective, Ocean Terminal Shopping Centre, Ocean Dr, Leith, Edinburgh EH6 6JJ

There are many more that have the name "Collective" but that's 22 not including the one in Dublin! So which one is it? Simply stating that the location of the alleged contravention is "The Collective" does not define the relevant land.

As their NtK is not PoFA compliant, they cannot hold you the Keeper liable. It is as simple as that.
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: jfollows on April 09, 2025, 03:33:49 pm
On the other hand, the driver can be named at any time before proceedings to recover the unpaid charges from the keeper have begun, which is not the case, so you need to inform Countrywide of the name and a current address for service of the driver. This will discharge your responsibilities.

In writing with proof of posting if no other means is possible.

Extended discussion at https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/65287197#Comment_65287197, for example.
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: jfollows on April 09, 2025, 03:08:17 pm
It doesn’t help you, but “breeched”, really?? Unfortunately rubbish grammar doesn’t give you a way out!
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on April 09, 2025, 01:34:49 pm
Hello,

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

I did NOT notify Countrywide. When I went to their website, it said that the appeal period is over.

(btw, oddly, their appeal section states "Only the driver of the vehicle at the time the Parking Charge was issued should submit an appeal, we will not accept appeals submitted on behalf of the Driver.")

Should I just email them the details somehow ? Doesn't paragraph 5 (2) of Pofa schedule 4 mean I can still be held liable ?
Title: Re: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: jfollows on April 09, 2025, 12:37:12 pm
Not your problem.

If you notified Countrywide of the driver’s details, then it’s down to them to pursue the driver and if the driver won’t respond it’s their problem.

Presumably you have a record of notifying them.
Title: Final Notice from Countrywide Parking
Post by: kgw on April 09, 2025, 12:23:46 pm
Hello to all,

On 31 January, I had shared my car. The next month, I received 2 similar NtKs from Countrywide for contraventions on that afternoon.
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I let the driver know and he replied that this was where he lived so it should not be an issue and he would sort it with them.

Apparently he never did because I received a "Final Notice" a few days ago.
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The driver has now become unresponsive. I have his details (phone, email) but Countrywide won't let me transfer liability at this stage.
Not sure how to resolve this now.

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