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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: Redspark on April 05, 2025, 08:15:33 pm

Title: Re: Airport
Post by: InterCity125 on March 14, 2026, 09:11:09 pm
No I've only just received this email. This is saying it's coming in April 🫤


Please re-read DWMB2's question.
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Redspark on March 14, 2026, 08:17:00 pm
No I've only just received this email. This is saying it's coming in April 🫤
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: DWMB2 on March 13, 2026, 01:35:21 pm
Re. mediation - it's now a mandatory part of the process, but generally pointless in these sort of claims. Have a search around on here for other cases that have gone to court and you'll see what it involves.
Have you done this yet?
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Redspark on March 13, 2026, 01:28:16 pm
Just received this by email




Claim number: N1QZ5389

Parties: VEHICLE CONTROL SERVICES LIMITED V MR DAVID MCMAHON


Your telephone mediation appointment


Appointment date: 30/04/2026

Appointment time slot: 15:00 to 17:00

Your confidential telephone mediation appointment has been booked for the above date and time slot. The mediator may call at any point within your timeslot to start the appointment. Please be ready to accept a call at any point during your timeslot. Your appointment will last for around one hour from the point at which the mediator calls. The mediator will call from a withheld number. Make sure that withheld/private numbers are not blocked on your phone.

The mediator will call both parties separately – you will not talk directly to the other side. They will try to help you come to an agreement with the other party. If an agreement is reached at mediation the case will not need to progress to court.

Where your mediation appointment is mandatory, if you do not attend the appointment, the judge will take this into consideration at any court hearing and may issue a penalty. This could include the judge automatically ruling in the other party’s favour or ordering you to pay for some or all the other party’s costs.



What you need to do to prepare for your telephone appointment:


The mediation service requires a contact number to conduct the appointment. If you have not already provided these details in your Directions Questionnaire then please contact scmreferrals@justice.gov.uk prior to your appointment so that your contact details can be updated.

PLEASE MAKE SURE TO PROVIDE YOUR CASE/CLAIM NUMBER IN THE RESPONSE TO THE EMAIL.

If YOU will be attending the mediation appointment YOURSELF, please provide us with your full name and the best telephone number so the mediator is able to call you.
If you would like SOMEONE ELSE (like a trusted friend, relative or a solicitor) to attend on your behalf please fill out the attached delegation of authority to mediate form. Your representative must know the facts of the case, understand how far you’re willing to compromise and have full authority to act on your behalf. You’re legally bound to any settlement agreements your representative makes on your behalf.
Failure to provide contact details will result in your mediation appointment not taking place and could result in a Judge issuing a penalty where the mediation was mandatory.
If the mediator cannot contact you within 10 minutes of the appointment start, the appointment will be marked as not conducted and you may face a penalty for non-attendance.
Make sure you are in a suitable location for the appointment that is free from distractions. The mediator will cancel the appointment immediately if you are driving even if you are using a hands-free device.

The dates to avoid which you provided on your Directions Questionnaire were taken into account when booking your appointment. We are only able to re-book appointments in exceptional circumstances.


Please see attached documents for more information about what happens within your mediation appointment.


Please ensure you also continue to check your junk email folder for any future email contact from the Small Claims Mediation team prior to your scheduled appointment.


Small Claims Mediation Service contact details


If you have any complaints or issues to raise about the Mediation Service, contact us by email or telephone:

Email:  scmreferrals@justice.gov.uk

Telephone: 0300 123 4593

Webchat: Chat with an agent

Monday to Friday, 9am to 5pm

We record our calls for monitoring and training as it helps improve the service we deliver. If you want to know more about how we handle your personal data, visit https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/your-data-and-how-we-use-it

If you want to make a complaint by email, clearly title your message as ‘complaint’ in the subject field. 


This e-mail and any attachments is intended only for the attention of the addressee(s). Its unauthorised use, disclosure, storage or copying is not permitted. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all copies and inform the sender by return e-mail. Internet e-mail is not a secure medium. Any reply to this message could be intercepted and read by someone else. Please bear that in mind when deciding whether to send material in response to this message by e-mail. This e-mail (whether you are the sender or the recipient) may be monitored, recorded and retained by the Ministry of Justice. Monitoring / blocking software may be used, and e-mail content may be read at any time. You have a responsibility to ensure laws are not broken when composing or forwarding e-mails and their contents.


What do I do/say ?
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Redspark on February 10, 2026, 07:33:02 pm
New letter.

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🫤
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Redspark on January 31, 2026, 05:09:25 pm
Thankyou
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: jfollows on January 31, 2026, 10:03:02 am
Also read Section A of the N180 form which explains mediation.
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: DWMB2 on January 30, 2026, 02:51:22 pm
Below is some general advice on filling out an N180.

Re. mediation - it's now a mandatory part of the process, but generally pointless in these sort of claims. Have a search around on here for other cases that have gone to court and you'll see what it involves.

Correct. Having received your own N180 (make sure it is not simply a copy of the claimants N180), do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/673341e779e9143625613543/N180_1124.pdf

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

• The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".

• To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".

• C1: "YES"

• D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question
.."

• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option

• F3: "1".

• Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Redspark on January 30, 2026, 02:37:27 pm
Phew I was hoping that was the case. When a marriage ended years ago I had to default on a lot of things and was then chased by all the debt companies who all played many games. I learned to take no phone calls and put 90% of letters in bin.

But this requires a lot of filling in I assume. 

Do you agree small claims track is the appropriate track for this case ?

Do you consider this matter is claim is suitable for determination without a hearing ?

What is the name and details of person who will be attending your mediation appointment?
Apparently sanctions if this doesn't take place.

Dates for mediation appointment?

(What is a mediation appointment???)

Which county court ?

Are you asking for the courts permission to use the written evidence of an expert ???

Why, name of the expert.

Witnesses ?

Have you been advised of your right to give evidence in Welsh or English ?

Legal representative for the
First
Second
Third
Claimant
Defendant
Part 20 claim
???

Help
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: InterCity125 on January 30, 2026, 08:04:59 am
There's still some way to go before you'll be required to attend a hearing.

This is all part of the parking operators statistical game of chess.

They are trying to pressure you into paying by using the County Court Claim system as part of that game.

You are just going to play along.

At this stage they were hoping that you would either fold or fail to correctly respond to court documents.

They will most likely discontinue before they have to pay further fees.

Also note, court should hold no fears for you in this case - your defence is already strong and will only get stronger when we help with additional points.
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Redspark on January 29, 2026, 09:07:10 pm
I've got a response to my defense.

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Haven't got to go to court have I. I mean it's fine I will just didn't think I'd have to.

Any help appreciated

Dave
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Redspark on January 21, 2026, 06:49:55 pm
Got it. Thanks everyone.
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Redspark on January 21, 2026, 06:42:22 pm
I'm trying to do it on money claim.gov.uk but it says defense pack password and I can't see one anywhere.
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: jfollows on January 21, 2026, 05:57:48 pm
If you mean the N1SDT form which you posted earlier, it has to be responded to by 14 days after 5 days after its date, it says that.

So 26 January. If you need more time, file an Acknowledgment of Service to get 14 more days to file a defence.

Dispute all of the claim and do not counter-claim.
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Redspark on January 21, 2026, 05:45:31 pm
It says I have to "respond to the claim before the response date on the enclosed form. But I've checked and I can see response date nowhere.

I also noticed it says issued on 7 Jan (didn't know I received it that long ago ? ) . I better get my reply to them quick.

First question , do I dispute all of the claim ?

Defence

Do I wish to make a counterclaim against the claimant ?

Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Redspark on January 21, 2026, 02:48:21 pm
What happened was "a driver" went to Leeds Bradford airport to pick wife up off a flight. Leeds Bradford airport has a few entrances off one long rd. Each entrance is into a different type of carpark. Driver was told to go to the brief stay one in other words. Driver used a satnav and was told it was this turn off. As soon as entered noticed double red lines and the turn off to the left which the satnav showed was now a blocked off building site. Ahead was one of the wrong carparks where you are expected to pay. If the driver entered they'd be expected to pay before leaving. Driver didn't want to enter that one so parked to the left in a bit of a panic. A workman approached the vehicle and gave directions to correct entrance. Then had to enter wrong carpark through barrier. Drove straight to exit, wanted payment, had to call for help and after long cynical conversation as to drivers actions was allowed to exit to correct location. Some time after received a letter saying wrong pay money.
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: InterCity125 on January 20, 2026, 09:59:56 pm
As the OP is so unsure, I'd leave out the extra comments for the time being.
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: DWMB2 on January 20, 2026, 06:58:25 pm
I can't really tell you how to word it as I don't know what happened as well as you, but it should be easy enough to explain what the vehicle was observed doing.

You can of course save the more detailed version of events for a witness statement if necessary.

You could leave it out entirely and focus on the contract point.
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Redspark on January 20, 2026, 06:42:13 pm
"An example of something you may wish to add, is a point between (3) and (4), briefly outlining what actually happened (e.g. the vehicle stopped out of necessity)."

How's would I word something like that. I feel it would be almost like I'm saying I was in the car ?
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: DWMB2 on January 19, 2026, 02:04:53 pm
I'm mindful of this topic not drifting too far away from the key topic in hand, which is helping the OP defend his present case. For any more general discussion of DVLA data and 'reasonable cause' I'd politely suggest a separate topic (probably in the Flame Pit) would be appropriate.

I try not to read too much into how VCS operate - they seem to be happy to take the financial 'risk' of taking cases to court regardless of their chances of success, 'judge bingo' means they presumably win the occasional one and make it worth their while. It is perhaps no coincidence that several of the persuasive appeal rulings we cite being with "VCS v ____".

Title: Re: Airport
Post by: InterCity125 on January 19, 2026, 12:48:35 pm
Noted,
It will be interesting to see how far this goes.
I`m still looking out for any at Newcastle airport, they seem to have been silent for a while.

I don't think Newcastle Airport is VCS controlled?

It will be interesting to see how other operators get on with the Red Route / no stopping enforcement. In particular, will they try and follow the VCS 'model' of claiming contract with drivers as they enter the airport. The VCS approach has been spectacularly unsuccessful at the court hearing stage with many cases going against them on the grounds of no legitimate contract and/or totally unenforceable blanket terms.

I haven't seen any cases yet where consumer legislation has specifically been used to defeat a parking operator who tries to enforce a 'no stopping zone' but it is only a matter of time.

VCS's claim of contract (as you enter the airport) is made out of necessity rather than any legally recognised contracting process which a consumer would ordinarily encounter. In most cases I strongly suspect that drivers passing the signage would have absolutely no idea that a contract was even being offered in that split second.

In the OP's case, it seems to me that the County Court claim is a fishing exercise. As DWMB2 has shown, the PoC is defective as it states that their case is made against the vehicle keeper - obviously this is not possible at this airport location since PoFA is not available to the operator - the claimant is hoping that the driver will be revealed during the court process.


Also worth noting that the DVLA are coming under increasing pressure to tighten up their 'reasonable cause' definition on the supply keeper data to parking operators. One of the key questions being pushed forward is whether 'reasonable cause' can be used at non-PoFA locations as there can never be any transfer of liability to the keeper - therefore, why does the parking operator need the keeper details?
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Dave65 on January 19, 2026, 10:37:38 am
Noted,
It will be interesting to see how far this goes.
I`m still looking out for any at Newcastle airport, they seem to have been silent for a while.
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: DWMB2 on January 19, 2026, 10:25:24 am
We're beyond the point of appeals Dave, the OP is drafting his defence having received a Claim Form from the court.
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Dave65 on January 19, 2026, 10:16:02 am
Be careful in any thing you submit to these people it will be the "Keeper" that appeals.
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: InterCity125 on January 19, 2026, 09:10:09 am
An additional point worth adding is the unfair nature of the techniques that VCS use to force drivers in to alleged contracts;

VCS place a sign on the access road which drivers have no choice but to drive past - driving past this sign is their basis for claiming 'contract through conduct' - but drivers have no choice, they have to pass this sign as there is no other alternative route. This appears to represent a 'pressure sales technique' as outlined in the DMCC Act (2024).


When I have time, I will look at the DMCC in more detail but there is definitely mileage in this angle.
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: DWMB2 on January 18, 2026, 08:42:34 pm
Hopefully you have found some similar threads. Your defence is yours, but you could make some of your points using wording along these lines as a framework:

(1) The Defendant denies that the Claimant is entitled to relief in the sum claimed, or at all.
(2) It is admitted that the Defendant was the registered keeper of the vehicle at all material times, but liability is denied.
(3) It is denied that a contract was entered into with the Claimant by conduct. To form a contract, there must be an offer, acceptance, and valuable consideration. The signage the Claimant relies on is entirely prohibitive, containing no legitimate offer to park on certain terms. Accordingly, it is denied that any contract was formed between the driver and the Claimant.
(4) Even if a contract was formed (which is denied), it is submitted that the alleged contractual terms relied on, namely a blanket prohibition on stopping, including stops borne out of necessity/safety, are impossible to safely comply with and therefore cannot give rise to liability due to being unfair under the Consumer Rights Act (2015).
(5) As the Claimant does not know the identity of the driver of the vehicle in question, the liability of the defendant must be considered in his capacity as the registered keeper of the vehicle. It cannot be assumed that the keeper was also the driver (VCS Limited v Ian Mark Edward (2023) [H0KF6C9C]).
(6) The land in question is covered by the Leeds Bradford Airport Byelaws (2022) and as such is not relevant land as defined in paragraph 3, Schedule 4 of Protection of Freedoms Act (2012). Accordingly, the Claimant is unable to recover any charges from the Defendant in his capacity as the registered keeper, under the provisions of Schedule 4 of Protection of Freedoms Act (2012).
(7) Whilst liability for the entire claim is denied, the Defendant further denies liability for the additional costs of £70, vaguely referred to by the claimant as "contractual costs", above and beyond the £100 parking charge. The added costs are an attempt at double recovery of capped legal fees (already listed in the claim) and are not monies genuinely owed to, or incurred by, the Claimant.

An example of something you may wish to add, is a point between (3) and (4), briefly outlining what actually happened (e.g. the vehicle stopped out of necessity).
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Redspark on January 17, 2026, 12:23:54 pm
Thank you. Please write more on Sunday. I'll do those things for now..

Dave
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: DWMB2 on January 17, 2026, 09:19:59 am
Do please be patient, this is a busy forum run for free by volunteers.

I should be able to take a better look at this on Sunday. In the meantime, if you search for any other cases involving VCS at airports (they also operate at Bristol and Liverpool John Lennon) you may find some similar cases.

Your defence will be relatively brief, a concise admit/deny/unable to admit or deny to each of their points, with reasons as to why no money is owed. The main points are likely to be (1) That no contract was formed (due to no consideration offered by VCS) (2) That even if the terms were capable of forming a contract (which is denied) they were impossible to comply with (a driver must be able to stop for safety reasons etc.) and (3) VCS do not know who was driving, and cannot recover the charges from the registered keeper using PoFA, as the airport is not relevant land.
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Redspark on January 17, 2026, 12:08:11 am
Can someone help me with this please. Earlier in thread a poster said in the event of this coming someone would help me with it. It's a bit worrying isn't it I'd really appreciate someone's help with how to respond.  :)

Thanks
Dave
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Redspark on January 16, 2026, 08:18:12 pm
New letters  :(

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Help  :(
Title: Re: Airport ticket
Post by: Redspark on January 16, 2026, 07:24:00 pm
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Title: Re: Airport ticket
Post by: jfollows on January 14, 2026, 06:59:22 pm
Please repost at the end of the existing thread if it’s for the same thing.
Title: Airport ticket
Post by: Redspark on January 14, 2026, 06:45:51 pm
Hi

I posted some time ago about receiving a ticket  at Leeds Bradford airport which can be found here.

https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/airport/15/ (https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/airport/15/)

Well although it's been a while I just received this -

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Thanks
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: jfollows on August 31, 2025, 04:35:02 pm
https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/ has instructions on how to post attachments.
Per Reply #2.
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Redspark on August 31, 2025, 04:29:52 pm
Here's the significant parts of the letter with my reg removed.
I can't seem to see the attach image link anymore

Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Redspark on August 31, 2025, 04:17:13 pm
It seems to have been removed.
It was sent by Elms legal
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: b789 on August 31, 2025, 01:14:56 pm
Where is this LoC? Who issued it? Elms or DCB Legal?
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Redspark on August 29, 2025, 07:40:23 pm
So what should my reply to this letter include then ? Something similar to the great template given by b789 ?

Thanks
Dave
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: jfollows on August 28, 2025, 09:27:45 pm
Hi

So would this be the letter of claim ?
Although they say it's "letter before claim". Any action I need to take or ignore it ?
Same thing, also called “letter before action”.

Do not ignore, you will need to reply in due course.

Wait for advice per Reply #15 above.
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Redspark on August 28, 2025, 09:23:59 pm
Hi

So would this be the letter of claim ?
Although they say it's "letter before claim". Any action I need to take or ignore it ?
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Redspark on August 28, 2025, 01:04:45 pm
Hi

Here is rear of letter.
Dave
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Redspark on August 27, 2025, 05:32:10 pm
I think the back was just "ways to pay" etc. I remember skipping it.
I'll recheck though.
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: DWMB2 on August 27, 2025, 01:44:30 pm
Could you please show us the rest of the letter (assuming there's something on the back of the page you have showed us already)?
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Redspark on August 27, 2025, 01:37:12 pm
Received a letter on aug 20

Title: Re: Airport
Post by: b789 on August 01, 2025, 11:08:43 am
It is too late to do anything now. You wasted your money on a useless recorded delivery which, unless you have a signature showing that it was signed for, then all you have is proof it was never delivered. Lear from this for any future requirement to send information to someone!

As for the PCN, you will now have to go through the process of weathering the useless debt recovery letters. Debt collectors are powerless to do anything except to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear.

Eventually, you will receive a Letter of Claim (LoC). When you do, come back and we will advise on how to respond.

In due course, a county court claim will be issued and we will provide a defence that can be used. The most likely outcome is that the claim will be struck out or discontinued. You can expect this conclude in about 9-12+ months.

Follow the advice, and you won't be paying a penny to the vexatious excrement that is known as VCS,
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Redspark on August 01, 2025, 09:07:20 am
31 march, no I don't have time.  Well still haven't heard anything so fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Redspark on August 01, 2025, 08:59:54 am
Ok. Hope I still have time to respond by email. It said one month from letter


Title: Re: Airport
Post by: b789 on July 31, 2025, 01:56:07 pm
So, do you have a receipt of the appeal having been signed for? If not, all you have is proof that it was not delivered.

Consider the fact that email is free, instant and has proof of delivery built in.
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Dave65 on July 31, 2025, 10:42:52 am
Usual advice is to send by 1st class mail and get a receipt from a post office, not by registered mail as they could refuse to receive it.

If appealing on their website keep screen shots or photo of the input details and watch for any drop down boxes trying to make you click driver.
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Redspark on July 30, 2025, 09:33:52 pm
Erm I think I sent it by traditional mail by a method to record it's receipt.

I've not heard anything back since original letter.

Title: Re: Airport
Post by: b789 on July 04, 2025, 12:32:30 pm
Did you email the appeal or did you use some other way to submit the appeal? Have you received a receipt acknowledging that your appeal was received?
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Redspark on July 04, 2025, 12:20:36 pm
No I sent what you wrote as an appeal then nothing for some time then this.
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: b789 on June 25, 2025, 06:35:05 pm
Did you not receive a response to your appeal?

You can safely ignore any debt recovery letters. DCBL and all debt collectors are powerless to do anything except to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear.
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Redspark on June 25, 2025, 02:27:18 pm
Just received this after I sent your reply word for word.

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Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Redspark on April 08, 2025, 09:51:05 pm
Thankyou so much.

D
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: b789 on April 07, 2025, 07:05:12 pm
This will be a protracted exercise but if you follow the advice you will not be paying a penny to the scammers at VCS. Why? Because what you have received is simply an invoice for an alleged breach of contract by the driver.

What contract? Well, there wasn't one because if you look at the signage at the airport, it is not contractual at all. I won't go into depth here but you can do your own research on what three elements are required to be able to form a contract that is entered into by conduct. Suffice it to ay that a prohibitive sign cannot form a contract because there is nothing on offer for consideration.

So, first thing is that there was no contract. VCS are not an authority that can issue fines or penalties. They are a verminous firm of ex-clampers running an unregulated private parking company and have zero authority.

Secondly, they can only hold the driver liable for any charge. They have absolutely no idea who the driver is. They are not allowed to assume or infer that the Keeper must be the driver, even though they have already done so in the Notice to Keeper (NtK). As the location is an airport, it is under statutory control (Byelwas) and therefore is not relevant land for the purposes of PoFA 2012.

They cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown (to them) driver to you, the known Keeper. They will hug and puff and say they can but they can't. If this were to ever go as far as a claim in court (it won't), they would not have a leg to stand on.

So, this is how it will go if you follow the advice... You make an initial appeal to VCS which they will reject. You ignore the secondary appeal process with the IAS which is a kangaroo court and I refuse to waste any time and effort on appeals to a corrupt and incestuous firm. You will then receive a load of threatening debt recovery letters which you can safely ignore. They can only try and scare the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree into paying out of ignorance and fear.

Eventually, they will threaten a claim in the county court which you will respond to and in due course the claim will either be struck out or in the very unlikely event it were to ever go all the way to a hearing, you win.

There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.

PoFA does not apply on non-relevant land, such as at an airport, which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known keeper.

For now, you can simply appeal, only as the Keeper, to VCS with the following:

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I am the registered keeper. VCS cannot hold a registered keeper liable for any alleged contravention on land that is under statutory control. As a matter of fact and law, VCS will be well aware that they cannot use the PoFA provisions because Leeds/Brdford Airport (LBA) is not 'relevant land'.

If LBA wanted to hold owners or keepers liable under Airport Bylaws, that would be within the landowner's gift and another matter entirely. However, not only is that not pleaded, it is also not legally possible because VCS is not the Airport owner and your 'charge' is not and never attempts to be a penalty. It is created for VCS's own profit (as opposed to a bylaws penalty that goes to the public purse) and VCS has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. VCS have no hope should you be so desperate as to initiate litigation, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: Redspark on April 07, 2025, 12:24:30 am
I've read up on VCS but can you help me understand how I'll pay nothing ?

Any help much appreciated.

Dave
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: jfollows on April 05, 2025, 09:35:40 pm
Also read and act on https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/ and in particular how not to identify the driver in your posts.

We’d like to help you but you must help yourself first …..
Title: Re: Airport
Post by: jfollows on April 05, 2025, 09:10:08 pm
Put
VCS
into the search bar and read about how to handle these.

You won’t need to pay a penny but it will help you if you read up on how VCS “manages” airport land usually covered by byelaws.
Title: Airport
Post by: Redspark on April 05, 2025, 08:15:33 pm
Hi

I went to pick my my wife up at Leeds Bradford airport. She said use free parking. Wasn't too sure how to get there so put satnav on. It told me to turn off the main rd into one of the many airport turn offs, great. Then I was supposed to take a sharp left into this rd but it was closed, under construction. Suddenly I was clueless what to do as it was one way and there were barriers into a differ6type of carpark ahead. I thought if I go in in probably going to have to pay to get out. So I stopped and tried to move over to left a bit to not obstruct cars.Eventually I spoke to one of the workmen who gave me directions. They were to go through carpark ahead. And yes I had to call the man on way out to say I've driven straight through the carpark. He begrudgingly let me out.

Then today I received this (attachment).

How shall I move forward with this ? Appeal ? Pay ?

Thanks



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