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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Victory23 on September 22, 2023, 05:13:36 pm
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But I might have all this entirely wrong as the whole thread is too confusing with two intertwined PCNs for differing contraventions and at differing stages of enforcement.
We can normally cope with multiple pcns in the same thread but I agree that it is difficult when two different sets of legislation apply.
I'm still not sure what forms have, recently, been submitted or how TEC have instructed the OP. They appear to be insisting on PE forms?At least that's what I understand from the OP?
As for content, I share your curiosity. You asked him about the 'nature' of his address and he didn't reply; clearly not realising the significance.
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I understand the TE7 & TE9 relate to PCN GX06778756 which is the one that the bailiffs' enforced and the OP paid up circa £560. The underlying PCN was for parking on the zigzags of a pedestrian crossing. The Op wants to recover the bailiff fees and the TFL charges since no PCN, CC, OfR and Bailiff EN were served.
So what we now need to know is what the OP has put on the TE7 OOT application?
And why have TEC said they are the wrong forms?
AIUI the OP had no notices at all for PCN GX06778756 parking on zigzags at a crossing. At some point the bailiff was paid circa £560 and the TFL website now shows £0 outstanding. The OP phoned the TEC and the TEC emailed a blank TE7 & TE9. These forms have now been submitted to the TEC but we have no inkling as to what exactly has been put on the TE7. I won't be surprised if it's rejected.
Not sure but it appears that the OP originally submitted an SD for GX06778756, it bounced due to no OOT. And in any event they were not the correct forms although the TEC didn't say such.
I now understand the PE3 (Statutory Declaration) to refer to PCN YJ58264268 which is for a ULEZ contravention. It seems the OP received an OfR and completed the SD that was with it. TFL seem to believe that this SD is within time and have re-issued the PCN, sent it to the OP and now the OP has paid it at the £90 discount. The TFL web shows the amount outstanding as £0. So case closed (hopefully). Not sure that the TEC have actually sent the OP a copy of the revoking order though.
But I might have all this entirely wrong as the whole thread is too confusing with two intertwined PCNs for differing contraventions and at differing stages of enforcement.
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@Neil B, I admire your perseverance.
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I've not read your thread,
Really? Yet you managed to comment in the thread on the 22nd, 24th and 27th?
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No they were for the PCN GX06778756 as the email I got from TEC had them attached to complete. I assumed this is to get the fees back from the bailiff and or the court and TFL
The only way to reclaim bailiffs fees is a detailed assessment (complicated) or a small claim (simple).
This is nonsense: When an OOT application is allowed the bailiff fees and 50% increase in penalty are refunded.
I don't recall ever having a major problem getting that refund.
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I understand the TE7 & TE9 relate to PCN GX06778756 which is the one that the bailiffs' enforced and the OP paid up circa £560. The underlying PCN was for parking on the zigzags of a pedestrian crossing. The Op wants to recover the bailiff fees and the TFL charges since no PCN, CC, OfR and Bailiff EN were served.
So what we now need to know is what the OP has put on the TE7 OOT application?
And why have TEC said they are the wrong forms?
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No they were for the PCN GX06778756 as the email I got from TEC had them attached to complete. I assumed this is to get the fees back from the bailiff and or the court and TFL
The only way to reclaim bailiffs fees is a detailed assessment (complicated) or a small claim (simple).
Go with the latter, but the claim must start with a letter of claim setting the reason why the money should be returned and give bank details for TFL to pay.
I've not read your thread, but your grounds can be that the warrant address for enforcement differs from your current address, the enforcement power ended (suspended, your PE2 was allowed), or some other enforcement error. It would be a discussion in its work right to debate the possibilities of enforcement error.
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Thank you Enceladus I have been back to the court again today for the third time now and had form PE2 witnessed.
But what on Earth have you written on it? It poses a particular question which you've been unable to answer here.
This thread is a prime example of why we have rule of one thread per PCN. There are two PCNs in this thread and it's becoming increasingly confused.
I understand the PE2 to refer to PCN YJ58264268 which is for a ULEZ contravention. However TFL have already accepted the SD and re-issued the PCN and the OP has settled it at the £90 discount rate. So that's closed out. Or have I got that wrong?
I understand the TE7 & TE9 relate to PCN GX06778756 which is the one that the bailiffs' enforced and the OP paid up circa £560. The underlying PCN was for parking on the zigzags of a pedestrian crossing. The Op wants to recover the bailiff fees and the TFL charges since no PCN, CC, OfR and Bailiff EN were served.
So what we now need to know is what the OP has put on the TE7 OOT application?
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Thank you Enceladus I have been back to the court again today for the third time now and had form PE2 witnessed.
But what on Earth have you written on it? It poses a particular question which you've been unable to answer here.
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Yes but what are the TE7 & TE9 forms for? Is there a third PCN?
No, when you mentioned that one pcn was for zig zag stopping I thought it was the one relevant to bailifs.
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No they were for the PCN GX06778756 as the email I got from TEC had them attached to complete. I assumed this is to get the fees back from the bailiff and or the court and TFL
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Yes but what are the TE7 & TE9 forms for? Is there a third PCN?
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Thank you Enceladus I have been back to the court again today for the third time now and had form PE2 witnessed. The lady at the court did explain as you said I do not need TE7 and TE9 witnessed, just signed by myself. I sent all these with the original PE3 off to TEC. As I had some success with the first on I am hopeful but not confident but I will continue the fight. Once again tank you all for your contributions and I will keep you updated.
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Your TE7 & TE9 witness statement and OOT application don't need to be witnessed? Just complete, sign & date and scan them to PDF. Email the PDFs attached to an email to the TEC. The email address is on the forms.
But why have you to submit a TE7 OOT & TE9 WS at all? I understood that you have already submitted a TE9 in respect of the parking contravention, the TEC revoked the OfR and ordered the Charge Cert cancelled. TFL sent you a new PCN which you paid at £90, ULEZ discount. So that PCN is closed. Or is there now a third PCN?
Have still got the witnessed copy of the PE3 to go with the PE2 OOT?
If not complete a new copy of the PE3 form and get that witnessed at the same time.
But what exactly have you put on the PE2 by way of explanation as to why you are late with the PE3.
For the purposes of these forms you are the respondent and the Council/TFL are the applicant.
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I now have 3 forms to take to the court for swearing an oath on. There is a PE2 out of time, a TE7 and a TE9 and I have an appointment at lunchtime today at the county court. This process seems to just go on and on, are they hoping I will give up ?
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Further update this time on GX06778756.
I have just received this email from TEC.
Good afternoon,
Your Penalty Charge Number (PCN) is: GX06778756
We can’t process your form as they haven’t been completed properly.
Why we couldn’t process your form:
● Your Statutory Declaration has been received outside the timescale allowed. Please complete the enclosed PE2 Application to file a Statutory Declaration ‘Out of Time’ form and return both forms together - this form should not be used to give reasons for contesting the original penalty charge.
Please read the guidance notes carefully, as your forms cannot be accepted unless they are valid.
Please note that if you add any further information to your form(s) after they have been returned to you, your form(s) must be re-witnessed. This is to swear that the new information you have written is true. Your form(s) will be returned to you if this is not complied with.
We do not keep invalid applications. Please return all appeal forms together, along with any supporting documents/evidence.
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OK so update on PCN YJ58264268 I have just received a letter from TFL confirming my TEC appeal and they have sent the PCN that is dated 23 September. I went online and paid the original amount of £90 so that one is done. Hopefully I have attached a scan of the letters. Thanks for your help so far and now I have to overcome the PCN GX06778756.
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What date did you email your SD to the TEC? And what time is the TEC's acknowledgement receipt?
A missing revoking order from the TEC is not too surprising. Since Covid struck they seem to suffer delays in getting letters printed and into the post. Sometimes weeks rather than days. Before Covid letters were usually posted 1-2 days after printing. But it should eventually arrive.
The TEC will use whatever address you put on the PE3 declaration form. They will have informed TFL of the SD and the address on it, in theory electronically and on the same day if they received your declaration before 4pm on a working day. TFL would/should have updated the address if the one from the TEC is different.
The TFL log says a PCN was "batched" on the 23rd Sep. So we can expect that it was actually posted on the 25th Sep. I would imagine that it should have arrived yesterday or today.
I suppose it's also possible that the TEC haven't actually processed your SD and issued the revoking order as yet. TFL might have jumped the gun and anticipated that the TEC will do so and put the batched PCN into some sort of hold/pending queue. But batched (a data processing term) in this case usually means print PCN and post.
Is there anything unusual about your address? EG a sub-division of a larger property like 123, 123A, 123B etc. Or maybe no property number at all, just a name? Or two properties combined into one? Anything at all?
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Enceladus
" On the 23rd Sep TFL issued a replacement PCN in respect of your missing ULEZ PCN and the SD you submitted to the TEC.
Has it arrived with you and when?"
You are absolutely correct in this as I did call TFL as well as TEC to request copies of all letters, at the same time I checked they had my correct address and they did. The copies from TFL have not arrived as yet and I have not received anything further from TEC except for the confirmation email.
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On the 23rd Sep TFL issued a replacement PCN in respect of your missing ULEZ PCN and the SD you submitted to the TEC.
Has it arrived with you and when?
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DVLA would put Mickey Mouse, Toyland down as the registered keeper if required. The point being that they do not validate addresses, merely record them.
That is not right.
DVLA validates all new keeper addresses on the Postcode Address File.
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OP, in addition to actioning Neil B's request, can I suggest you also look at this backwards.
DVLA would put Mickey Mouse, Toyland down as the registered keeper if required. The point being that they do not validate addresses, merely record them.
So, we're back to your address. IMO, the only 'correct' address is the one allocated by the local council when the property was approved. And this populates the Royal Mail's database: https://www.royalmail.com/find-a-postcode
So as a penultimate throw of the dice - put your postcode in and see how your 'correct' address appears.
Ultimately, is your letterbox yours alone or shared?
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Thanks for the reply, the details on the V5 were 100% accurate I had the V5 in my name and address from January 2021 until August 2023. I still have a copy of the V5 and I also have the notification of sale from the DVLA. There are 2 PCN's and in both cases I never received the original PCN or any following letters but on the PCN of 25 May I did receive the order for recovery which first alerted me to the problem, the second PCN was dated 18 April and the first I knew anything about it was when bailiff's turned up at my home 0n 20 September. I have had perhaps over 50 dealings with TFL for vehicles I own and were registered with me over the last 6 years and in every case the letters arrived and were dealt with.
But this assumes TfL don't make mistakes --- while we know they do.
You've been advised to phone TEC to ask a specific question but you haven't. I don't see what else we can say.
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OK thanks for clarifying that.
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The sworn oaths that I have made are PE3 and not PE7.
Enceladus has highlighted that the bailiff issue concerned a parking issue, so that one requires forms TE9 and TE7 in order to seek a refund. They are slightly easier in that they do not need swearing/witnessing ----- but you still have nothing to offer for the TE7.
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Unfortunately I do not have anything to give you as I can ever prove that the letters did not arrive. I could scan and post the 50 or so PCN letters that I have had previously but that still would not prove anything. The sworn oaths that I have made are PE3 and not PE7. During the last few days I have been communication with my MP and I have just received a letter from him promising to take this up with the minister responsible in the government and I am going to shake a lot more trees in the next few weeks.
The letter said...
Thank you for following up regarding requirements for organisations to ensure individuals being pursued for Penalty Charge Notice or bailiff payments are correctly notified that such funds are being chased up.
What I will do is write to the Secretary of State for Justice, Rt Hon Alex Chalk MP, to highlight the experiences you have outlined, including your suggestion of the compulsory use of registered post for such written correspondence.
When my office receives a response I will of course share this with you.
I will of course keep you updated.
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It is unfortunately too late to avoid paying this judgement
No, it's not too late to seek a refund but you will need something to say on the TE7 form.
You are not giving us anything.
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OK, the address was correct !! You'll need to put chapter and verse on this issue in any submission to you make to TEC. TfL can object to it, so I suggest you also include details of your contacts with them to discuss the address issue.
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Thanks for the reply, the details on the V5 were 100% accurate I had the V5 in my name and address from January 2021 until August 2023. I still have a copy of the V5 and I also have the notification of sale from the DVLA. There are 2 PCN's and in both cases I never received the original PCN or any following letters but on the PCN of 25 May I did receive the order for recovery which first alerted me to the problem, the second PCN was dated 18 April and the first I knew anything about it was when bailiff's turned up at my home 0n 20 September. I have had perhaps over 50 dealings with TFL for vehicles I own and were registered with me over the last 6 years and in every case the letters arrived and were dealt with.
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THe only thing you have not done is check with the DVLA what address was on the V5 when you owned it. At the moment, it is scarcely credible that you have failed to receive six separate letters all sent at intervals to an address that would have originally been obtained from the DVLA keeper details for the car.
My view is that your chances of getting an Out-of-Time Statutory Declaration accepted by TEC are nil, unless you can prove the address recorded on your V5 at the time of the contravention was correct.
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Just to recap as perhaps I have not made it clear enough.
My original message said.
Hi everyone I have a problem arising from TFL and the Northampton Count Court that I am sure someone has already experienced. With absolutely no prior notice or warning I had bailiff's turn up at my house yesterday. I was not at home but I spoke to the bailiff n the phone and he supplied me basic details of the "court order" this was the PCN ref, vehicle reg, location and date. When I checked these out sure enough it was for a PCN on a vehicle I own but issued from a CCTV image. This was on 18 April 2023 and I definitely did not receive a PCN nor did I receive any further reminders, charge notices etc. During this time I have received post from the Royal Mail. The vehicle was registered to me with the correct name and address and I checked this with TFL. Further to this I did not receive any letters from Northampton court not one. Also the bailiff claims to have sent me a letter dated 21 August 2023 that they charged me £75 for and that also never arrived. I am at a complete loss to explain this situation and none of the organizations involved are interested in helping. It is unfortunately too late to avoid paying this judgement but I wanted to understand how this can be legal. If I had a chance to pay the original fine it would have been £80 but through no fault of mine it rose to £560. Please let me know your thoughts.
I owned this vehicle at the time of the PCN.
I was not the driver of this vehicle at the time of the PCN.
The vehicle was registered to me at my current address and that address was on the V5
I sold the vehicle at the beginning of August and had a receipt from the DVLA to confirm.
I NEVER RECEIVED ANY LETTERS WHATSOEVER REGARDING THIS NO MATTER HOW UNLIKELY THIS MAY SEEM.
The bailiff quite clearly had my correct address.
Phoning the TEC is almost impossible unless you take a day off work.
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The 18th of April PCN, the earlier PCN being pursued by the bailiff is for "Stopped on a pedestrian crossing or crossing area marked by zigzags".
Be aware that unless things have changed this contravention can also be enforced by the Police. In which case you'd get a Fixed Penalty Notice and three points on your license. So I suggest you don't do it again.
Somehow lost in the post in less than five months are:
2 x Postal PCNs,
2 x Charge Certificates,
1 x Order for Recovery,
1 x Bailiff Notice of Enforcement.
All that is a symptom of an incorrect address. Have you phoned the TEC and asked for for the addresses registered with them for the Orders for Recovery? Especially the house number and the postcode.
I'd also check your driving record with the DVLA and make sure you haven't had any points added that you don't know about. You can do this online.
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Thank you NeilB
I think this must be the earlier PCN that I spoke of and hopefully the PCN will now have been reset as requested in my PE3 and I can now pay or dispute as appropriate. Of course I will update this if and when I receive it.
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For the PCN case histories you only need to give us the numbers and the VRM and we can look ourselves.
Where?
You can see the case history for TFL PCNs at https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/challenge-a-pcn
(https://i.imgur.com/2yu9pvr.png)
The PCN appears to have been issued yesterday but we know TFL don't have any postal collections on Saturday, so chances are you'll get it Tuesday or Wednesday. While the regulations for ULEZ do not explicitly state that the date of the PCN must be the date of posting, it's still arguable that it should be.
For the other one, I can only recommend you follow Neil's advice.
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The recent one is showing £90 due so, although the history doesn't show, appears to have been reset. It still leaves the question of why you haven't received notification.
The one that went to bailiffs, history does show but doesn't tell us anything new.
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The first PCN is YJ58264268 VRM YK61OXN 25 May 2023 I dis nor receive the original PCN's from TFL but did receive the order for recovery which is when I sent the PE3.
The second PCN is GX06778756 VRM YK61OXN 18 April 2023 and I did not receive anything ever.
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For the PCN case histories you only need to give us the numbers and the VRM and we can look ourselves.
Where?
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I have limited time to help, so when we make a suggestion I mean exactly what I say and there's a reason for it --- which we don't often have time to explain.
I will email the TEC on Monday and ask what addresses they hold relating to both the PCN's
This is not what I suggested: You need to ask the question I suggested which, if the advisor is helpful, will lead into any further detail they have about possible changes to your address that may have occurred along the way.
Why? Take a look at form PE2 and you will see that it poses a specific question. You don't currently have an answer to that question so any application will fail.
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On the matter of the recent PE3 I'm struggling to understand how you're so laid back? We've already told you a response should have been received well before now.
So, for the third time, what e-mail address did you use and did you receive an auto-acknowledgement?
For the PCN case histories you only need to give us the numbers and the VRM and we can look ourselves.
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I assume TEC stands for traffic enforcement center.
I did try to contact them yesterday was on hold for 28 mins and had to hang up.
I will email the TEC on Monday and ask what addresses they hold relating to both the PCN's but the first one they sent I did receive that was the beginning of September so they had my correct address for that one. The most recent PE3 I downloaded a blank form from the Gov website the went to the county court, had it witnessed and emailed it to TEC.
I have looked up the PCN's and they seem to be correct but I can only scan and copy from my work which would be Monday
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But you've ignored much of what I've said?
You haven't done the address check with TEC and closed now until Monday.
You haven't answered where you sent the more recent PE3 or asked TEC what the outcome was.
Something else you can do as a matter of routine is to look at the case histories for each pcn on the TfL website. Do that and paste them here.
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"You absolutely should NOT submit forms PE2 and PE3 until we have firmly established what has gone wrong.
Check the V5 as asked and, when doing so, look at every single detail. Report your findings back here.
Phone TEC and ask (just this) what was the original address the debt was registerec to? -- and compare it to yours.
Do you live in a block of flats for instance and is the address complete?
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I'm very worried about your recent statutory declaration a month ago; you must have heard something by now and, if not, why have you not phoned to check on progress?
What was the address you e-mailed it to? and did you receive an auto-acknowledgement (normally within a few minutes)?"
Thank you for the reply and I have checked with TFL and checked the V5 and there is no problem with the address. The problem can only be either TFL are not ensuring their mail is sent and delivered or the post office are not delivering TFL's mail to me which is pretty unlikely. I have already sent the PE3 form for the latest court jusgement and I only have the defence that I have never received any letters. This I obviously cant prove as neither can TFL prove I did receive the letters. As I have sworn on oath that I did not receive the letters surley this will be enough ?
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You absolutely should NOT submit forms PE2 and PE3 until we have firmly established what has gone wrong.
Check the V5 as asked and, when doing so, look at every single detail. Report your findings back here.
Phone TEC and ask (just this) what was the original address the debt was registerec to? -- and compare it to yours.
Do you live in a block of flats for instance and is the address complete?
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I'm very worried about your recent statutory declaration a month ago; you must have heard something by now and, if not, why have you not phoned to check on progress?
What was the address you e-mailed it to? and did you receive an auto-acknowledgement (normally within a few minutes)?
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Have a look at your V5 address. The V5 for the contravention vehicle.
They always send correspondence to the V5 address of the contravention vehicle.
If the V5 address is not current or has a different postcode, then that is why you know nothing about the PCN's until bailiffs found you.
You need to do this check before filing a PE2&3 at the Traffic Enforcement Centre.
From your post subject, "county court judgment". Statutory PCN's dont carry a judgment on your credit file.
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Hi everyone I have a problem arising from TFL and the Northampton Count Court that I am sure someone has already experienced. With absolutley no prior notice or warning I had bailiff's turn up at my house yesterday. I was not at home but I spoke to the bailiff n the phone and he supplied me basic details of the "court order" this was the PCN ref, vehicle reg, location and date. When I checked these out sure enough it was for a PCN on a vehicle I own but issued from a CCTV image. This was on 18 April 2023 and I definitley did not receive a PCN nor did I receive any further reminders, charge notices etc. During this time I have received post from the Royal Mail. The vehicle was registered to me with the correct name and address and I checked this with TFL. Further to this I did not receive any letters from Northampton court not one. Also the bailiff claims to have sent me a letter dated 21 August 2023 that they charged me £75 for and that also never arrived. I am at a complete loss to explain this situation and none of the organizations involved are interested in helping. It is unfortunately too late to avoid paying this judgement but I wanted to understand how this can be legal. If I had a chance to pay the original fine it would have been £80 but through no fault of mine it rose to £560. Please let me know your thoughts.
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It is not too late to submit an Out-of-Time Statutory Declaration that you did not receive the PCN. Despite paying the bailiffs you can still submit this, and if it is granted, the liability returns to the original PCN amount.
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The vehicle was registered to me with the correct name and address and I checked this with TFL. Further to this I did not receive any letters from Northampton court not one.
But was the vehicle name and address correct on the contravention date ? Time and time again we get cases like yours and it almost always ends up that the name and address was not correct or out-of-date on or around the offence date. So please tell us what was checked with TfL. Please also note that the Traffic Enforcement Centre at Northampton don't send out anything. The statutory enforcement documents are all sent out by TfL. So, just so you know, you have failed to receive: -
- PCN
- Charge Certificate (adds 50% to the penalty)
- Order for Recovery (adds £9 to the CC penalty)
These are issued over a period of several weeks staring from a few days after the contravention date.
Even if you pay the bailiff, you can still submit an Out-of-Time Statutory Declaration that you did not receive the PCN. HOwever, you must also say why you think the PCN was not received.
So, is there anything peculiar about your mail arrangements ?
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Thank you so much for your reply and your understanding of my situation. The vehicle was definitely registered to me from January 2021 to August 2023. I was not the driver it was my son and he would have paid the original PCN without question had we known about it. As I have not received any letters at all from TFL I cant be sure what address they had for me. The bailiff however did have my address and the details he gave me all checked out.
I am aware of the Statutory Declaration form PE3 as I have had to do this a month ago when I received an "order for the recovery of unpaid penalty charge" this one did actually come in the post although I had not had anything prior to this. I went to the local court and swore an oath and emailed and I am awaiting the outcome.
I know it is possible to download these PE3 forms from the internet but I did not realise that I can still send it at this stage so thank you for the advice there. As for my address and my post I have lived at my same address for over 30 years and whilst the post is not so good lately I cant believe that I failed to receive possibly 6 letters regarding this PCN and maybe another 4 or 5 on the previous PCN.
Is this perhaps a way to maximise the revenue for TFL or do they have a serious mail issue ?
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So....
Contravention date - 23rd April 2023
Car registered with yourself - January 2021 - August 2023
However, you have lived at the address for 30 years. So when the car was purchased, who entered the V5 details, you or a dealer ?
What you need to do is find out from TfL what address they used to send out the statutory documents. It is possible they have made a transcription error when entering the name and address received from DVLA into their system. You also need to find out from DVLA what address was recorded for the vehicle on or around the contravention date.
During your time with the car, did you always receive the VED reminders from DVLA ? ALmost all cases we see like yours eventually come down to an error in the address on the V5.
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Owned car between January 2021 and August 2023. The V5 was in my name and the correct address. Tfl confirmed that they had my correct address over the telephone and the bailiff obviously did as well. The V5 has been in my name from January 2021 to August 2023 without any doubt. I have been to the county court this morning and sworn an oath with a PE3 that I have now emailed. It is just not possible to prove that the letters did not arrive but TFL cant prove that they were sent so what will happen ?
You say you received an Order for Recovery about a month ago. You submitted the Statutory Declaration. As yet there is no response from the TEC?
Did you get an email acknowledgement that an SD had been submitted.
Are you certain that this OfR relates to a different PCN than the one discussed in this topic?
Who was the enforcement authority on that OfR? Also TFL?
Hi regarding this current PCN I had the visit from the bailiff 2 days ago and I paid their fee yesterday. I never received and paperwork at all for this PCN.
I did receive a judgement from the court a few weeks ago for a separate PCN which prior to the order for recovery letter I had not had anything. This on came with a PE3 that I completed and took to the county court for the oath. I emailed it the same day and I am awaiting a response.
Sorry for the confusion and thanks again for your continuing help.
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I will copy and paste the whole post in the morning as its on a computer and this is from my phone
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It's posted under user VICTORY23
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Cannot see your post on PPP - link, please.
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Hi all I have already posted this on the pepipoo site and it was suggested that I post here, is this ok please ?