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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: elderberrytree on March 24, 2025, 10:39:53 am

Title: Re: DCB Legal letter after PCN sent to wrong address - Colliers Wood
Post by: ixxy on July 10, 2025, 08:04:54 am
If you wish to sue you will have to explain how they have discrimated against you, simply being disabled and having a badge doesn't give you a free pass to not comply with the car park rules. For example if the car park is pay on exit and they only allow 10 minutes grace to exit and you have mobility issues that could be grounds for discrimination, if you explained that clearly in your appeal. Buying 2 hours parking and staying for 3 won't wash unless you can show the overstay was directly related to an inability to leave on time. Again that won't wash if you had the opportunity to pay for the extra time you took. You don't sound very clued up on the legal processes, maybe leave thought of suing until after the resolution of current case?
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter after PCN sent to wrong address - Colliers Wood
Post by: elderberrytree on July 09, 2025, 08:54:10 pm
Evening, thank you as always for such a thorough reply and for all the information regarding completing the form.

With regards to suing ECP - we would very easily be able to prove that the driver is disabled etc (plenty of paperwork, medical records, Blue Badge etc).

With regards to using MCOL to sue ECP - what is the financial outlay for us? Sorry if this sounds stupid, very unfamiliar with the process. Or perhaps you have a nice little explanatory website/flow chart I could look at.

Many thanks again - your help is invaluable.
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter after PCN sent to wrong address - Colliers Wood
Post by: b789 on July 08, 2025, 11:19:35 am
Considering ECPs responses, you can sue them for disability discrimination under the Equality Act 2010. They are a service provider and have a legal duty to make reasonable adjustments for disabled people. By refusing to consider your appeal after being told the overstay was due to a disability-related medical issue, they may have breached that duty. Their repeated misstatements about not being responsible once the case was passed to DCB Legal also show a disregard for their ongoing legal obligations.

Two key provisions apply:

• Section 15: This covers discrimination arising from disability. It applies where someone is treated unfavourably because of something that results from their disability, and that treatment cannot be justified as a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.
• Section 20: This imposes a duty on service providers to make reasonable adjustments to avoid placing disabled people at a substantial disadvantage. This includes adjusting rigid procedures like appeal deadlines when disability is involved.

Euro Car Parks’ refusal to consider your appeal after being informed of a disability-related medical event may breach both sections.

If you bring a claim and succeed, you can seek compensation for injury to feelings. This is assessed using the Vento bands, which are guidelines set by the courts:

• Lower band (£1,200–£12,100): for less serious cases, such as isolated incidents
• Middle band (£12,100–£36,400): for more serious cases that don’t merit the top band
• Upper band (£36,400–£60,700): for the most serious cases, such as prolonged or malicious discrimination

The amount depends on the impact on you, not just the conduct itself. You don’t need to show financial loss to claim this.

So, you could bring a claim in the County Court for discrimination arising from disability (Sections 15) and failure to make reasonable adjustments (Section 20). If successful, you could be awarded compensation for injury to feelings, typically between £1,000 and £3,000 for less serious cases. You would need to show that you are disabled under the Act, that the overstay was linked to your condition, and that ECP failed to act reasonably once they were informed.

Before suing, you should send a formal Letter Before Claim giving them 14 days to respond. If they don’t resolve the matter, you can issue a claim, which is very straight forward and can be done online through MCOL.

Regarding the forms (N180 DQ) you received with the allocation notice, don't fill in the paper form. Follow these instructions:

Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/673341e779e9143625613543/N180_1124.pdf

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

• The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".

• To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".

• C1: "YES"

• D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question
.."

• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option

• F3: "1".

• Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter after PCN sent to wrong address - Colliers Wood
Post by: elderberrytree on July 08, 2025, 10:23:51 am
Hi all,

I’ve finally received the Notice of Proposed Allocation to the Small Claims Track. I’ve attached the first two pages of the document - should I upload the rest of the form or are you familiar?

Separate to this I received a letter from DCB Legal a couple of weeks ago, just informing us that it will go to court.

ECP replied to the last letter I sent them (that you kindly drafted) and I’ve attached this, but they just said they are unable to accept any correspondence and all points have been addressed previously (which is not true of course).

I’d be super grateful for advice on what to do as I need to respond to the court by 18 July.

Many thanks as usual!

Court letter

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ECP rejection letter

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DCB Legal letter

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Title: Re: DCB Legal letter after PCN sent to wrong address - Colliers Wood
Post by: elderberrytree on May 13, 2025, 07:12:15 pm
Many thanks both for confirming!
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter after PCN sent to wrong address - Colliers Wood
Post by: b789 on May 13, 2025, 02:58:32 pm
Do not use the MCOL to submit a defence. As advised, use email.
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter after PCN sent to wrong address - Colliers Wood
Post by: DWMB2 on May 13, 2025, 02:38:09 pm
The defence and draft order should be submitted by email, to the address advised in b789's post.
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter after PCN sent to wrong address - Colliers Wood
Post by: elderberrytree on May 13, 2025, 02:17:47 pm
You may need to check your spam, some providers are prone to miscategorising this site's emails.

Thank you - haven’t found any so far. But will keep checking.

Would you mind clarifying - for the defence and draft order I’m sending, is it okay to send it all online as advised? The paper claim form I received only gives the paper option seemingly it via the money claim online route. Many thanks!
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter after PCN sent to wrong address - Colliers Wood
Post by: DWMB2 on May 13, 2025, 11:02:46 am
You may need to check your spam, some providers are prone to miscategorising this site's emails.
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter after PCN sent to wrong address - Colliers Wood
Post by: elderberrytree on May 13, 2025, 10:04:51 am
IMO, the proposed draft order does not accurately reflect your situation
The draft order accompanying the defence makes 3 key points:
  • That the PoC are not compliant with 16.4 of the CPR
  • That the claimant could have complied with 16.4 of the CPR but failed to do so
  • That the small value of the claim doesn't merit an order for further PoC to be submitted, using further court time/resource
Which of these 3 points do you believe are not applicable to this case?

elderberrytree - practically, the outcome is likely to be the same regardless of what defence you choose to submit. The one proposed by b789 nearly always works with DCB Legal cases, leading to the case being discontinued.

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For some reason I’m not getting notifications about replies.
If you scroll to the bottom of the thread, there should be a series of buttons at the bottom right, hit 'Notify'
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Many thanks for the clarification on this!

Yes have the ‘notify me’ option on, but perhaps some technical issue at my end. Thank you again.
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter after PCN sent to wrong address - Colliers Wood
Post by: DWMB2 on May 13, 2025, 09:59:07 am
IMO, the proposed draft order does not accurately reflect your situation
The draft order accompanying the defence makes 3 key points:
Which of these 3 points do you believe are not applicable to this case?

elderberrytree - practically, the outcome is likely to be the same regardless of what defence you choose to submit. The one proposed by b789 nearly always works with DCB Legal cases, leading to the case being discontinued.

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For some reason I’m not getting notifications about replies.
If you scroll to the bottom of the thread, there should be a series of buttons at the bottom right, hit 'Notify'
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Title: Re: DCB Legal letter after PCN sent to wrong address - Colliers Wood
Post by: elderberrytree on May 13, 2025, 09:42:29 am
The LoC particulars are flawed because there is NO power 'in the alternative' to hold the keeper liable because the creditor was made aware of 'the name and current address for service for the driver' prior to commencing legal proceedings.

PoFA has nothing to do with their claim.

OP, the issue of addresses is a non-issue from what I can see because they obtained the RK's details as required in the first instance and then used the address of the driver once you had identified yourself as such. At that time, you had updated DVLA. This is coincidental. They used your address as driver which, of course, was your new RK address.

Which IMO is just as well because your defence relies upon the situation of the driver

IMO, this is a straightforward case of a claim in respect of an acknowledged breach. As I read this you're now engaged in extra-procedural correspondence in an effort to get the claimant to withdraw their claim. You might succeed.

But the legal process is for the court to decide.

IMO, the proposed draft order does not accurately reflect your situation i.e. you have acknowledged being the driver and being fully aware of the parking terms.

Some thoughts.

Hello, sorry for such a tardy response. We submitted an AoS because we were short on time and today I thought I would simply copy and paste the defence above, but I’ve only just seen your comment here.

Thank you for your thoughts - are you suggesting that the defence needs adjusting or is lacking because it doesn’t acknowledge my direct communication with ECP?

For some reason I’m not getting notifications about replies.

Many thanks

Charlotte
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter after PCN sent to wrong address - Colliers Wood
Post by: H C Andersen on April 21, 2025, 08:51:35 am
The LoC particulars are flawed because there is NO power 'in the alternative' to hold the keeper liable because the creditor was made aware of 'the name and current address for service for the driver' prior to commencing legal proceedings.

PoFA has nothing to do with their claim.

OP, the issue of addresses is a non-issue from what I can see because they obtained the RK's details as required in the first instance and then used the address of the driver once you had identified yourself as such. At that time, you had updated DVLA. This is coincidental. They used your address as driver which, of course, was your new RK address.

Which IMO is just as well because your defence relies upon the situation of the driver

IMO, this is a straightforward case of a claim in respect of an acknowledged breach. As I read this you're now engaged in extra-procedural correspondence in an effort to get the claimant to withdraw their claim. You might succeed.

But the legal process is for the court to decide.

IMO, the proposed draft order does not accurately reflect your situation i.e. you have acknowledged being the driver and being fully aware of the parking terms.

Some thoughts.

Title: Re: DCB Legal letter after PCN sent to wrong address - Colliers Wood
Post by: DWMB2 on April 20, 2025, 10:25:11 pm
There's neither an advantage nor disadvantage to filing an AoS before submitting the defence, unless you specifically need more time for one reason or another.
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter after PCN sent to wrong address - Colliers Wood
Post by: elderberrytree on April 20, 2025, 09:42:37 pm
Thank you so much for your assistance with this and for also clarifying the deadlines - which I got wrong.

I will send the response you drafted to ECP - it’s rather appalling just how much they will flout the law, especially with regards to disabled drivers, but I shouldn’t be surprised.

With regards to the claim form. Is there any benefit of submitting an AoS or do people simply do it because it gives them more time
to build a defence? (Time which I don’t need because you have kindly drafted the defence)

Thank you again for all your assistance and hard work - it’s hugely appreciated

Will delete/bin the documents you mentioned also.
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter after PCN sent to wrong address - Colliers Wood
Post by: b789 on April 19, 2025, 07:12:09 pm
We only need to see the N1SDT Claim Form. You can delete the other forms and dispose of the physical ones.

The response from ECP is riddled with evasions, falsehoods, and a deliberate misreading of the Equality Act 2010. Their reply is not only factually incorrect but potentially discriminatory in law.

False Claim About the Equality Act

ECP says:

Under the Equality Act 2010, public authorities are required to comply with the public sector equality duty, whereas private entities are not.

This is legally false and misleading. Section 29(1)–(7) of the Equality Act 2010 does apply to private companies, including parking firms.

The duty to make reasonable adjustments is not limited to public bodies. The public sector equality duty (s.149) is separate from the individual duties owed to disabled service users under s.20–21.

Mischaracterising the Role of the Blue Badge

ECP parrots standard nonsense about Blue Badges not applying in private car parks. That misses the point entirely.

You are not claiming a badge exemption. You are invoking a disability-related inability to comply with the contract at all, due to a flare-up of a chronic medical condition. The driver’s disability directly prevented timely compliance, and that is what triggers the Equality Act duty — not the presence or absence of a badge.

Refusal to Engage Post-Debt Referral

Once the debt is transferred to a collection agency, any further correspondence must be directed to them…”

This is plainly mendacious.

ECP remains the data controller and principal.

The obligation to consider a request for a reasonable adjustment cannot be delegated to a third party. BPA rules (PPSCoP §11.2) make clear that a complaint must still be addressed.

Misstatement of Appeal Deadline

ECP again insists the appeal was late based on the NtK issue date, not the date of presumed service. Under PoFA Schedule 4 para. 9(5), a 28-day deadline begins after the notice is given — that is, two working days after posting, not from the issue date itself.

So, you respond to ECP with the following:

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Subject: Escalated Complaint – Equality Act Discrimination and Misrepresentation

PCN Reference: 88887437223

Dear Euro Car Parks,

Thank you for your response dated 4 April 2025. I must raise serious concerns regarding the content of your reply, which contains multiple factual and legal inaccuracies.

Firstly, your claim that the Equality Act 2010 does not apply to private companies is entirely incorrect. Sections 29(1) to (7) of the Act apply to all service providers, including private parking operators. You have a legal duty to avoid discrimination and to make reasonable adjustments for disabled individuals.

Secondly, your comments about the Blue Badge are irrelevant to the basis of my representation. I did not claim special parking privileges based on the badge. I explained that I am disabled and that the overstay occurred because I was physically unable to return to my vehicle on time due to a medical issue related to my disability. The Blue Badge was simply provided as evidence of my status as a disabled person.

Thirdly, your refusal to deal with my representation on the grounds that the matter has been passed to a debt recovery agent is both procedurally and legally flawed. You remain responsible as the data controller and principal. The duty to consider a complaint about disability discrimination is not something you can outsource.

Fourthly, your repeated assertion that my appeal was out of time is inaccurate. The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 states that the 28-day period begins after the notice is “given,” which is defined as two working days after posting, not the issue date printed on the letter.

Since your response, I have received and been served with a County Court claim form issued on 10 April 2025. Therefore, this matter has now entered litigation. You are formally advised that this correspondence, including your reply dated 4 April and my response here, will be relied upon as evidence in support of the defence, and if necessary, in support of any counterclaim or application for costs under CPR 27.14(2)(g) due to your unreasonable behaviour.

Your failure to acknowledge or apply your statutory duties under the Equality Act 2010, your refusal to consider a disability-related representation, and your repeated misstatements of legal obligations will be fully raised in court.

Yours sincerely,

[Name]
[Address]

Now, regarding the Claim form...

With an issue date of 10th April, you have until 4pm on Tuesday 29th April to submit your defence. If you submit an Acknowledgement of Service (AoS) before then, you would then have until 4pm on Tuesday 13th May to submit your defence.

If you want to submit an AoS then follow the instructions in this linked PDF:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

Otherwise, here is the defence and link to the draft order that goes with it. You only need to edit your name and the claim number. You sign the defence by typing your full name for the signature and date it. There is nothing to edit in the draft order.

When you're ready you combine both documents as a single PDF attachment and send as an attachment in an email to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and CC in yourself. The claim number must be in the email subject field and in the body of the email just put: "Please find attached the defence and draft order in the matter of Euro Car Parks Ltd v [your full name] Claim no.: [claim number]."

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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

Euro Car Parks Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DEFENCE

1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16(7.5);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts)

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest, damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The Defendant attaches to this defence a copy of a draft order approved by a district judge at another court. The court struck out the claim of its own initiative after determining that the Particulars of Claim failed to comply with CPR 16.4. The judge noted that the claimant had failed to:

(i) Set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions relied upon;

(ii) Adequately explain the reasons why the defendant was allegedly in breach of contract;

(iii) Provide separate, detailed Particulars of Claim as permitted under CPR PD 7C.5.2(2).

(iv) The court further observed that, given the modest sum claimed, requiring further case management steps would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective. Accordingly, the judge struck out the claim outright rather than permitting an amendment.

5. The Defendant submits that the same reasoning applies in this case and invites the court to adopt a similar approach by striking out the claim for the Claimant’s failure to comply with CPR 16.4.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

Draft Order for the defence (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/tcewefk7daozuje25chkl/Strikeout-order-v2.pdf?rlkey=wxnymo8mwcma2jj8xihjm7pdx&st=nbtf0cn6&dl=0)
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter after PCN sent to wrong address - Colliers Wood
Post by: elderberrytree on April 19, 2025, 06:11:02 pm
I’ve uploaded the claim form documents sent to the driver below - if that’s of any help. Thank you very much!

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Title: Re: DCB Legal letter after PCN sent to wrong address - Colliers Wood
Post by: elderberrytree on April 19, 2025, 06:04:13 pm
Hello,

I hope you had a nice break.

A couple of developments, which I should have updated you on earlier but

1. I was wondering if they mays send a response by post and they only replied to my email.
2. My children have been very unwell and this is my pathetic excuse.
3. I didn’t want to trouble you while away - though I’m still late!

Attached is the response from them rejecting the letter I sent which you kindly drafted.

The driver also received a claim form from DCB Legal on 10 April 25 - do I also upload this? The driver will need to respond by 24 April - so this Thursday.

Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. I’m very happy to say thank you in wine!

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Title: Re: DCB Legal letter after PCN sent to wrong address - Colliers Wood
Post by: DWMB2 on April 02, 2025, 10:10:30 am
Attached is the reply from DCB Legal - surely this is nonsense?
With data requests, they need to undertake reasonable diligence to ensure that you are actually the data subject, and that any rectification requests are accurate.
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter after PCN sent to wrong address - Colliers Wood
Post by: b789 on April 02, 2025, 09:54:22 am
Do you have your V5C with your current address on it? If not, then send them a copy of a utility bill or anything that has your current name and address on it. You can redact sensitive information such as patent or bill amounts.

You were expected to send some form of proof of address Just don't send any photo ID such as your drivers licence unless you redact everything on it except your name and address. Do not give them your DoB which is included in your driver number.
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter after PCN sent to wrong address - Colliers Wood
Post by: elderberrytree on April 01, 2025, 10:24:30 pm
Hello, apologies for taking so long to do the necessary things. Have now emailed both the DPOs of the two companies - ECP and DCB Legal with the DRN.

Have also sent the letter to Euro Car Parks - they appeared to have no email to send the letter to, so I sent it by post with proof of postage and also used the contact us form via the website, just to double up.

Attached is the reply from DCB Legal - surely this is nonsense? Or do I need to provide proof of the change of address?

The delay in doing all these things was due to children that had a virus that made them look like they were in The Exorcist.

Thank you again for all your help

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Many thanks
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter after PCN sent to wrong address - Colliers Wood
Post by: elderberrytree on March 26, 2025, 05:35:00 pm
Ah ok! Will email instead! Thank you very much for the clarification.
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter after PCN sent to wrong address - Colliers Wood
Post by: b789 on March 26, 2025, 12:15:30 pm
You don't send anything by post!!!! You send everything by email. You save the letter as a PDF file and then attach it to the email. Whenever you send anything like this by email, you also CC yourself as that copy that is sent back to you is evidence of it having been sent in the first place.

If they come back with a request for ID, just send them a copy of the PCN or any other correspondence relating to this matter that you've received as evidence. They don't need more than that to show that the person they are corresponding with is the right person. If you have to, you can send a copy of the front of your V5C document that has your name and address on it. You certainly do not send any photo ID.
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter after PCN sent to wrong address - Colliers Wood
Post by: elderberrytree on March 25, 2025, 08:54:55 pm
Thank you so much @b789 for all this information and help. I really, really appreciate it. I have printed the letter re the address change and will send first thing - missed the post office today due to a sick baby. Thanks for clarifying that I shouldn’t just assume they will always write to the new address based on recent correspondence.

Re the appeal letter sent in April last year - I didn’t include a copy of the driver’s blue badge, but I most certainly can when I send the letter you drafted regarding the disability issue and other matters. Thank you so much for drafting such a fantastic letter, especially as this is just one of many frustrating incidents the driver has experienced when it comes to parking as a disabled person.

Regarding the SAR - yes the driver did receive a response but it’s the only damn piece of paper I’ve lost. It essentially asked for ID for them to go ahead with the subject access request, and to be honest with you - the driver just ignored it.

Would you suggest submitting the SAR again or just providing the proof of ID and address as required?

Will have another dig around for that letter.

Many thanks again!

Title: Re: DCB Legal letter after PCN sent to wrong address - Colliers Wood
Post by: b789 on March 25, 2025, 02:12:11 pm
As I already mentioned, you can safely ignore DCBL and any other debt recovery agent such as DRP Plus. They are powerless to do anything and their sole function is to try and scare the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree into paying out of ignorance and fear. Never, ever enter into any communication from these useless, bottom-dwelling firms. Ignore them.

They are required to do a search for a valid address if they receive no response to their Notice to Keeper (NtK). This is done using a credit reference agency who will search for records of the name of the Keeper as obtained from the DVLA, the old address and any updated info such as the Electoral Roll, banks, council records etc.

I already told you that ECP only have single chance at obtaining your DVLA data and if it was before you updated your V5C, then they don't get a second chance and if the CRA discovered a newer address for you, then that is what they are using. However, that does not stop them from trying to use the old address for service of court documents and get a CCJ by default.

There is absolutely no risk of a CCJ if you follow our advice.

Now on to the substance of your situation with regard to the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) you received.

I see that you submitted an appeal on 29/04/2024, as the driver, after the appeal deadline (30/01/2024) in the original Notice to Keeper (NtK) which was issued 29/12/2023. You also submitted an SAR on the same date as the appeal (29/04/2024). Did you ever receive a response to your SAR?

In a letter dated 26/05/2024, ECP responded with an acknowledgement that your SAR had been passed to their DPO and they also refused to consider your appealing falsely claim that they cannot deal with it because the case has been passed to a debt recovery agent. That is certainly mendacious on their part.

The final piece of evidence you have shown is the Letter of Claim (LoC) issued by DCB Legal dated 10/03/2025.

So, where do you stand at the moment after having notified ECP of you disability which is a protected characteristic under the Equality Act 2010 and you also provided evidence of your blue badge.

DCB Legal are going to issue the claim, whatever you do now. This is normal and expected. When you receive the N1SDT Claim Form from the CNCB, show it to us, redacting only your personal details. the claim number and the MCOL password. Leave al dates visible. We will provide the defence that you will need to submit.

Regarding the failure of ECP to acknowledge your disability, I suggest that you send the following formal complaint to them, even if only to put them under pressure:

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Background from the driver/keeper:

"Lots of letters from Euro Car Parks, Debt Recovery Plus, DCBL and now DCBL Legal. Two letters sent to wrong address resulting in higher PCN charge and then passing to debt recovery. Procedurally incorrect plus mitigating circumstances (urinary infection due to disability).
 
Hoping you can help. Huge thanks in advance. Fully ready to accept all and any criticism. Have attached 4 pieces of correspondence but happy to provide every letter if needed.

Driver parked and then visited a gym in capacity as a coach. Had urine infection related to 30 year+ disability and was not able to leave within maximum parking time - overstayed by approx an hour. Incurred PCN.

There are two issues at play: one is fairly straightforward, Euro Car Parks and Debt Recovery Plus sent two letters to the wrong address after the registered keeper was changed with the DVLA. (Driving licence was previously changed but log book was changed about two weeks after the initial PCN and two letters were sent to the wrong address after that change).

The initial PCN letter was sent to the correct address, but the next two follow up letters were not. The only reason the driver has these is because his parents still have access to the old address and the tenants kept the post.

This resulted in both a PCN increase and an escalation to a debt recovery agency.

Secondly, there are mitigating factors relating to the disability, in relation to why the PCN was incurred in the first place. The driver wrote to Euro Car Parks about this about 5 months after the PCN but this was dismissed. Driver also sent a subject access request.

I’ve done a little timeline below. The latest letter is a letter of claim from DCBL legal. Sent on 10.3.25

21.12.23 PCN incurred.

29.12.23
Notice to owner letter (attached) from Euro Car Parks sent to old address - frustratingly updated DVLA about ten days later so missed this (£100 reduced to £60 of paid within 14 days). Reason - vehicle parked longer than the maximum period.

10.1.24
Changed the registered keeper on DVLA website on 10 January.

28.1.24
Final notification letter from Euro Car Parks sent to OLD address (not the address the DVLA had) outstanding balance of £100, no option to pay discounted rate).

29.2.24
First letter from Debt Recovery Plus sent to OLD address (not the address the DVLA had). Amount owed £170.

15.3.24
Letter from Debt Recovery Plus - amount owed £170

2.4.24
Letter from Debt Recovery Plus - amount owed £170

29.4.24
Letter sent from driver to Euro Car Parks (attached) and subject access request sent also.

16.5.24
Reply received from Euro Car Parks (attached). They did reply to subject access request but can’t find the letter - said ID was needed.

10.12.24
DCBL - final reminder letter £170

8.1.25
DCBL - Final notice of debt recovery £170

4.2.25
DCBL - Notice of intended legal action. Unpaid parking charge £170

10.3.25
DCBL Legal - letter of claim received. (Attached)"

My understanding of the situation so far based on the content of the appeal as sent to ECP and their response:

"I already told you that ECP only have single chance at obtaining your DVLA data and if it was before you updated your V5C, then they don't get a second chance and if the CRA discovered a newer address for you, then that is what they are using. However, that does not stop them from trying to use the old address for service of court documents and get a CCJ by default.

There is absolutely no risk of a CCJ if you follow our advice.

Now on to the substance of your situation with regard to the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) you received.

I see that you submitted an appeal on 29/04/2024, as the driver, after the appeal deadline (30/01/2024) in the original Notice to Keeper (NtK) which was issued 29/12/2023. You also submitted an SAR on the same date as the appeal (29/04/2024). Did you ever receive a response to your SAR?

In a letter dated 26/05/2024, ECP responded with an acknowledgement that your SAR had been passed to their DPO and they also refused to consider your appealing falsely claim that they cannot deal with it because the case has been passed to a debt recovery agent. That is certainly mendacious on their part.

The final piece of evidence you have shown is the Letter of Claim (LoC) issued by DCB Legal dated 10/03/2025.

So, where do you stand at the moment after having notified ECP of your disability which is a protected characteristic under the Equality Act 2010 and you also provided evidence of your blue badge?

DCB Legal are going to issue the claim whatever you do. Once you receive the N1SDT Claim Form , show it to us, only redacting your personal details, the claim number and the MCOL password. Leave all dates showing. We will provide a suitable defence once we've seen the Particulars of Claim (PoC).

In the meantime, I suggest you send the following formal complaint to ECP that puts them on notice of their breaches of the Equality Act and the BPA Code of Practice:

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Subject: Formal Equality Act Complaint – Discriminatory Conduct and Procedural Misrepresentation

PCN Reference: [Insert PCN Ref]

Date of Incident: 21 December 2023

To Whom It May Concern,

This is a formal complaint regarding your refusal to consider the representation I submitted on 29 April 2024 in respect of the above Parking Charge Notice.

In that correspondence, I explained that I am a disabled person and that the incident on 21 December 2023 was the result of an acute flare-up of a chronic, disability-related urinary tract infection. This episode made it physically impossible for me to return to my vehicle before the expiry of the parking period. I enclosed a copy of my Blue Badge as evidence of my protected status under the Equality Act 2010.

Your response dated 16 May 2024 refused to consider my appeal on two grounds:

1. That it was submitted outside of a 28-day appeal period from the date of issue of the NtK; and
2. That the matter had been passed to a debt recovery agency and was therefore no longer within your control.

Both justifications are factually and legally flawed.

Misstatement of the Appeal Deadline

Your letter inaccurately claims that the appeal period is measured from the issue date of the NtK. This is wrong. Even under your own contractual terms, the 28-day period runs from the date the notice is given — i.e., the presumed or actual date of receipt by the keeper — not from the issue date. Your refusal on this basis is misleading and constitutes a misstatement of the appeals process.

Failure to Make Reasonable Adjustments

Regardless of timing, once you were made aware that the incident arose directly from a disability-related medical event, you were under a legal duty to consider that representation and make reasonable adjustments, including departing from rigid procedural rules where appropriate. That duty is ongoing, and cannot be contracted out of or delegated to a third party.

By refusing to consider my appeal — even after being provided with a detailed explanation of the disability and evidence of my status as a Blue Badge holder — Euro Car Parks has:

• Failed to make reasonable adjustments;
• Misrepresented the appeals process; and
• Engaged in conduct which may amount to discrimination under Section 15 of the Equality Act 2010.

I now request the following:

1. A formal apology and confirmation that Euro Car Parks will review the decision in light of its statutory obligations.
2. A copy of your internal policies and procedures for handling Equality Act representations, including how these are communicated to your appeals team.
3. Confirmation that your staff receive training on the Equality Act and on their duty to consider reasonable adjustments.
4. An immediate withdrawal of the PCN on the basis that the alleged breach arose due to a protected characteristic, and your response to the representation was discriminatory.

Please note that if this matter is not resolved satisfactorily, I will refer the matter to the British Parking Association and consider pursuing a formal complaint to the Equality and Human Rights Commission or the relevant ombudsman.

For the avoidance of doubt, I have already received a Letter of Claim from DCB Legal dated 10 March 2025 and fully intend to defend any claim that may be issued. The procedural and legal failures outlined above — including Euro Car Parks’ refusal to consider a disability-related appeal and the misstatement of basic appeal rights — will form part of that defence and may be relied upon in any subsequent counterclaim or application for costs due to unreasonable conduct. Should you be so ill-advised as to proceed with litigation, you are now on notice that these matters will be raised in full before the court.

Yours sincerely,

[Name]
[Address]

Did you ever receive a response to your SAR?
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter after PCN sent to wrong address - Colliers Wood
Post by: elderberrytree on March 25, 2025, 07:27:46 am
Thank you so much for this advice. I will do this today.

I should add that after three initial letters which were all sent to the old address (two after the DVLA update), all correspondence from ECP, Debt Recovery Plus, DCBL and DCBL Legal have been sent to the new address. So hopefully no risk of CCJ, but you never know!I wonder how they eventually found out about the address update?

Anyhow, I will follow your instructions and write to them today re the address.

Thank you so much again
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter after PCN sent to wrong address - Colliers Wood
Post by: b789 on March 24, 2025, 09:33:31 pm
You need to understand that ECP only has a single chance to access your DVLA data per Parking Charge Notice (PCN). So, even if you update your DVLA V5C data after ECP have made their single request for it, they do not get another chance to request it, whether you updated it or not.

Your problem now is that, whilst the utterly useless and powerless DCBL will have paid around 30p for a bulk credit reference search for your other possible address, ECP will now have two possible addresses for you. That is dangerous, even if you may still have limited access to post delivered to your old address. If an actual N1SDT Claim Form is issued to the old address and you fail to respond with the limited time, you risk a default CCJ which is an utter PITA to try and get set aside and just increases the workload exponentially.

I haven't even bothered to look as the images you have posted and will do so later or tomorrow. In the meantime, the single most important thing you must do right now is send a Data Rectification Notice (DRN) to Data Protection Officers of both ECP and DCB Legal (not DCBL, you can safely ignore anything from them). Your DRN must instruct them to update their records with your current address for service and to erase your old address. The highlighted words are there for a reason and you must use them. You can find the DPO contact email address in the privacy statement on the respective companies website.

Let us know when you have done that and that will then remind us to give you further advice on how to deal with this. You can rest assured that any claim issued by DCB Legal on behalf of ECP, as long as it is defended, will either be struck out or discontinued before it ever gets as far as a hearing, as long as you follow the advice we provide.
Title: DCB Legal letter after PCN sent to wrong address - Colliers Wood
Post by: elderberrytree on March 24, 2025, 10:39:53 am
Hi all,


TLDR:

Lots of letters from Euro Car Parks, Debt Recovery Plus, DCBL and now DCBL Legal. Two letters sent to wrong address resulting in higher PCN charge and then passing to debt recovery. Procedurally incorrect plus mitigating circumstances (urinary infection due to disability).
 
Hoping you can help. Huge thanks in advance. Fully ready to accept all and any criticism. Have attached 4 pieces of correspondence but happy to provide every letter if needed.

Driver parked and then visited a gym in capacity as a coach. Had urine infection related to 30 year+ disability and was not able to leave within maximum parking time - overstayed by approx an hour. Incurred PCN.

There are two issues at play: one is fairly straightforward, Euro Car Parks and Debt Recovery Plus sent two letters to the wrong address after the registered keeper was changed with the DVLA. (Driving licence was previously changed but log book was changed about two weeks after the initial PCN and two letters were sent to the wrong address after that change).

The initial PCN letter was sent to the correct address, but the next two follow up letters were not. The only reason the driver has these is because his parents still have access to the old address and the tenants kept the post.

This resulted in both a PCN increase and an escalation to a debt recovery agency.

Secondly, there are mitigating factors relating to the disability, in relation to why the PCN was incurred in the first place. The driver wrote to Euro Car Parks about this about 5 months after the PCN but this was dismissed. Driver also sent a subject access request.

I’ve done a little timeline below. The latest letter is a letter of claim from DCBL legal. Sent on 10.3.25

21.12.23 PCN incurred.

29.12.23
Notice to owner letter (attached) from Euro Car Parks sent to old address - frustratingly updated DVLA about ten days later so missed this (£100 reduced to £60 of paid within 14 days). Reason - vehicle parked longer than the maximum period.

10.1.24
Changed the registered keeper on DVLA website on 10 January.

28.1.24
Final notification letter from Euro Car Parks sent to OLD address (not the address the DVLA had) outstanding balance of £100, no option to pay discounted rate).

29.2.24
First letter from Debt Recovery Plus sent to OLD address (not the address the DVLA had). Amount owed £170.

15.3.24
Letter from Debt Recovery Plus - amount owed £170

2.4.24
Letter from Debt Recovery Plus - amount owed £170

29.4.24
Letter sent from driver to Euro Car Parks (attached) and subject access request sent also.

16.5.24
Reply received from Euro Car Parks (attached). They did reply to subject access request but can’t find the letter - said ID was needed.

10.12.24
DCBL - final reminder letter £170

8.1.25
DCBL - Final notice of debt recovery £170

4.2.25
DCBL - Notice of intended legal action. Unpaid parking charge £170

10.3.25
DCBL Legal - letter of claim received. (Attached)

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