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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: Julesjcm on March 22, 2025, 12:35:21 pm

Title: Re: Final demand issued by Alliance-Parking for a PCN issued over 21 months ago
Post by: b789 on March 27, 2025, 01:53:24 pm
Apologies. I hadn't noticed that element being where it is.

In this case, the NtK is PoFA compliant and the Keeper can be liable if the driver remains unidentified.
Title: Re: Final demand issued by Alliance-Parking for a PCN issued over 21 months ago
Post by: Julesjcm on March 27, 2025, 01:32:43 pm
Looking at the PCN, I would say that 9(2)(e) has been met and it is on page 2 under TRANSFERRING LIABILITY FOR THIS CHARGE
Title: Re: Final demand issued by Alliance-Parking for a PCN issued over 21 months ago
Post by: b789 on March 27, 2025, 01:18:49 pm
It doesn't comply with paragraph 9(2)(e). Have a read of paragraph 9 for yourself and show me where (2)(e)has been complied with:

Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2012/9/schedule/4/enacted)
Title: Re: Final demand issued by Alliance-Parking for a PCN issued over 21 months ago
Post by: Julesjcm on March 27, 2025, 12:59:47 pm
That is good news, I certainly will not be throwing anyone else under the bus in future.

For reference and also out of curiosity why is this NtK not fully compliant with PoFA?
Title: Re: Final demand issued by Alliance-Parking for a PCN issued over 21 months ago
Post by: b789 on March 27, 2025, 12:41:39 pm
Well, that's useful... The NtK is not PoFA compliant and so they cannot hold you, the Keeper, liable, which is why you should never have thrown the driver under the bus in the first place. Luckily for you (and the driver), they say they never received the transfer of liability.

Now that are claiming that they are holding you liable as the Keeper when they have not complied with all the requirements of PoFA in the first place.

You can safely ignore all further demands for payment. If/when they are stupid enough to issue a Letter of Claim (LoC), come back and we will advise on what to do next. If you follow the advice you are receiving here, you will not be paying a penny to Alliance.

You can safely ignore and all debt recovery letters. Do not engage with them under any circumstances. They are powerless to actually do anything. Ignore them.
Title: Re: Final demand issued by Alliance-Parking for a PCN issued over 21 months ago
Post by: Julesjcm on March 27, 2025, 11:31:39 am
I have attached a copy of the original PCN received in response to the SAR.

I did complete the driver/hirer identification form and although I am certain it was posted by recorded delivery, I do not have proof of that fact.

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Title: Re: Final demand issued by Alliance-Parking for a PCN issued over 21 months ago
Post by: b789 on March 27, 2025, 10:41:38 am
In answer to your first question... "Yes".

Whilst you say you threw the driver under the bus originally and they claim that they never received that communication, how did you submit it? You mention recorded delivery. Where is the record of that delivery? The whole point of using recorded delivery (for what i's worth) is that you have a record of it having been delivered. If you'd sent it by email, you'd have a record.

They are offering you the opportunity to provide the drivers details again. You can either do that or just wait for their response to the SAR. Once we can see the original NtK, we can tell you whether it is PoFA compliant or not and so, whether you, the Keeper, can be liable for the charge.

So, can you evidence the transfer of liability having been either posted or delivered?

As for your third question, at the time of the alleged contravention, the PPSCoP was not yet introduced. So, you can read the IPC Code of Practice that was valid at the time here (https://irp.cdn-website.com/262226a6/files/uploaded/IPC%20Code%20of%20PracticeV9%20V4.pdf).

So, get a complaint off to the DVLA and then wait for their response to your SAR and then we can review the NtK for PoFA compliance.
Title: Re: Final demand issued by Alliance-Parking for a PCN issued over 21 months ago
Post by: Julesjcm on March 27, 2025, 09:55:35 am
I suggest you now send copies of all correspondence in a formal complaint to the DVLA evidencing their complete disregard for PoFa and the BPA/IPC PPSCoP.

Again please forgive my total dumbness here but:-

1) Is this a formal complaint to the DVLA over Alliance Parking's disregard for PoFa and the BPA/IPC PPSCop, Or DVLA's disregard for giving my info to Alliance Parking.

2) I do not fully understand how PoFa and the BPA/IPC PPSCoP in my case may have been "disregarded", how exactly have they shown this disregard?

3) I cannot find a email address to send this complaint to, is there an email address or will it have to be sent via post.
Title: Re: Final demand issued by Alliance-Parking for a PCN issued over 21 months ago
Post by: Purbeckfossil on March 26, 2025, 02:50:55 pm
I sympathise. Alliance have sent a final demand after 18 months. I will not be giving them any of my hard earned wonga >:(
Title: Re: Final demand issued by Alliance-Parking for a PCN issued over 21 months ago
Post by: b789 on March 24, 2025, 08:23:41 pm
I suggest you now send copies of all correspondence in a formal complaint to the DVLA evidencing their complete disregard for PoFa and the BPA/IPC PPSCoP.

I also suggest you get your MP involved too. Write to him/her and explain everything and show them all the correspondence.
Title: Re: Final demand issued by Alliance-Parking for a PCN issued over 21 months ago
Post by: Julesjcm on March 24, 2025, 07:36:40 pm
Received the following in reply to the complaint -

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Thank you for your email.

I have reviewed your complaint and find the following:
We have not received driver details from you.
The Notice to Keeper provided clear instructions on how to appeal.
The Notice to Keeper provided clear instructions on how to submit a complaint.
In light of the above, I am unable to find any merit to your complaint.

This concludes our internal complaints procedure.

If you are unhappy with how your complaint has been handled, you may escalate your complaint to our trade association here: https://portal.theipc.info/login/complaints

Note: If you have not previously used the portal, you will need to register here first: https://portal.theipc.info/user

Sincerely,
Complaints Department

I also received this from the Admin dept

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Thank you for your email.

We have reviewed your case and can confirm that we have not received a completed Driver Identification Form for this Parking Charge.

Furthermore, it is unclear why the driver did not make payment or submit an appeal upon receipt of the Notice to Keeper that you were instructed to forward for their attention.

If you wish to transfer liability, please provide the drivers name and address by return and we will write to them.

Please note the following:

By providing driver details, you authorise us to send them a copy of your Notice to Keeper; which encompasses your personal data.

If we do not receive a response to our letter to the alleged driver, we may revert the charge back to you (as the Registered Keeper). We need to have this policy to deter people from providing fictitious details.

Sincerely,
Administration Department

I don't believe there was any wording on the original NTK requesting that I forward the NTK to the actual driver, only for me to complete the form (on the reverse side of The NTK) and return it to Alliance Parking.


I also received an email relating to the Subject Access Request (SAR) which included several pieces of information all relating to the original PCN and overstay.

I did note that the vehicle originally entered the carpark at 20:07:47; the parking ticket was paid for at 20:10:26 and expired at 21:10:26 The vehicle finally left at 21:21:23.
Title: Re: Final demand issued by Alliance-Parking for a PCN issued over 21 months ago
Post by: Julesjcm on March 23, 2025, 03:35:38 pm
Have just sent both those emails and I now await a response - will obviously keep this thread updated if/when they respond.

Thanks again for your advice b789 and apologies for needing you to explain that!!!
Title: Re: Final demand issued by Alliance-Parking for a PCN issued over 21 months ago
Post by: b789 on March 22, 2025, 04:33:34 pm
Do I really need to explain that?

(a). Full name: John Doe
(b). Date of birth: 31st February 1960
(c). Address: 123 The Street, Anytown, Anywhere A1 2BC
(d). Email address: John.doe@mailinator.com
(e). Telephone number: 07997-123456
(f). PCN number: XY12345
(g). VRM: AB12CDE

You can drop the DoB (b) one and re-order the subsequent points as necessary.
Title: Re: Final demand issued by Alliance-Parking for a PCN issued over 21 months ago
Post by: Julesjcm on March 22, 2025, 03:44:04 pm
Wow,  thanks for this comprehensive reply b789


Requester (data subject) information

(a). Full name:
(b). Date of birth:
(c). Address:
(d). Email address:
(e). Telephone number:
(f). PCN number:
(g). VRM:
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Probably a dum question but do I replace a,b,c,d,e,f,g, with my actual "Full Name", DOB, Address......etc?
Title: Re: Final demand issued by Alliance-Parking for a PCN issued over 21 months ago
Post by: b789 on March 22, 2025, 02:52:54 pm
In future, if you ever receive another Parking Charge Notice (PCN), don't be in such a rush to throw the driver under the proverbial bus!  In many cases, the postal Notice to Keeper (NtK) is not fully compliant with PoFA 2012 and so the Keeper (you) cannot be liable for any alleged contractual breach by the unknown (to the parking operator) driver.

Anyway, we are where we are now... You have no idea whether the transfer of liability to the driver was received by the parking operator. Never use Recorded Delivery. It is a waste of money and if no one signs for it, all you have proof of is non-delivery. Kind of defeats the purpose. If you ever have to send anything by post, send it first class and get a free "Certificate of Posting" from any post office. With that, your letter is deemed to have been delivered (served) after two working days under the Interpretation Act 1978.

There is no time limit on how long they can chase you for an alleged debt. However, should they want make claim in the county court, they have 6 years in England and Wales and 5 years in Scotland from the date of the alleged contravention. If they do eventually make a claim, it is easily defended.

You confirmed the named driver has not received anything at all, which strongly suggests either Alliance never actioned your transfer of liability, or they have lost or ignored your correspondence. As they still hold you liable, you are entitled to put them to strict proof that they never received your transfer of liability—or that it was defective (e.g. incomplete driver details). But the burden of proof is on them to show PoFA compliance if they attempt to hold you liable as keeper.

I suggest you send the following complaint to Alliance by email to complaints@alliance-parking.co.uk and also CC in yourself:

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Subject: Final Demand Received – Challenge to Liability and Formal Complaint

To: complaints@alliance-parking.co.uk

Dear Sir or Madam,

I am writing as the registered keeper of vehicle [REGISTRATION] in response to a Final Demand letter received dated [insert date], relating to an alleged parking contravention on 31st May 2023 in Cornwall.

I reject any liability for this parking charge. On receipt of the original Notice to Keeper in June 2023, I promptly notified your company in writing of the full name and current address of the driver at the material time. This discharges my obligations under Paragraph 5(1)(b) of Schedule 4 to the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.

The named driver has since confirmed that they have received no correspondence whatsoever from your company. The fact that you have waited over 21 months to recontact me, without even acknowledging my original response or contacting the actual driver, is both procedurally irregular and unfair.

Furthermore, your failure to provide a route to appeal or register a formal complaint via your website obstructs my rights under the current BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP). Section 11.2 of the Code makes clear that complaints regarding PCNs must be treated as appeals.

I request that you now confirm:

1. Whether you received and processed my driver transfer notification in 2023;
2. Why the driver has never been contacted;
3. Why no communication was issued for over 21 months;
4. Why your complaints and appeal systems are inaccessible.

Unless you can provide compelling evidence that I remain liable under PoFA, this charge must be cancelled. If you disagree, I require a formal response in writing including a copy of your complaints procedure and escalation route.

If you do not cancel the charge, I will not hesitate to escalate this matter to the DVLA, the IPC and any other relevant body, including my MP.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Full Name]
[Address]
[PCN Reference]

DO NOT identify the driver again at this stage. We need to see their response and whether they acknowledge receipt of your transfer of liability.

I also suggest you send the following Subject Access Request (SAR) to info@alliance-parking.co.uk and again, CC in yourself:

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Alliance Parking UK Ltd
Unit 1a Newquay Road
St Columb Road
St Columb
Cornwall
TR9 6PZ

Dear Sir/Madam,

RE: SUBJECT ACCESS REQUEST

I write to make a formal Subject Access Request in respect of my personal information. I am entitled to make this request under data protection laws. The request is made in accordance with section 45 of the Data Protection Act 2018 and Article 15 of the retained EU General Data Protection Regulation 2016/679 (UK GDPR). You can identify my records using the information which is listed below.

Requester (data subject) information

(a). Full name:
(b). Date of birth:
(c). Address:
(d). Email address:
(e). Telephone number:
(f). PCN number:
(g). VRM:

Requested information

In accordance with my right of access under data protection law, I request the following:

(a) Copies of my personal data

I request that I am provided with full copies of all personal data relating to me which is held by Alliance Parking UK Ltd.

I would prefer to receive an electronic copy of the requested information.

(b) Purpose of the processing

Please confirm within your response the purpose (or purposes) for which my personal data was collected by Alliance Parking UK Ltd in the first instance and the purpose (or purposes) for which is has been used by Alliance Parking UK Ltd to date.

(c) Categories of the data

Please confirm within your response which categories of my personal data have been collected by Alliance Parking UK Ltd.

(d) Sharing of the data

Please confirm within your response which recipients my personal data has or will be disclosed to. Please also confirm whether my data will be shared outside of the United Kingdom and if so, what safeguards are in place in relation to this.

(e) Storage of the data

Please confirm within your response the retention periods for the storage of my personal data. If you are unable to confirm a specific retention period, please confirm what criteria will be used to determine this.

(f) Source of the data

Please confirm within your response which sources my personal data is collected from.

(g) Details about automated decision-making

Please confirm within your response whether any automated decision-making which uses my personal data is taking place or will take place. If this is the case, I ask that you please provide me with information about the logic involved in any such process and the relevant consequences the decision-making will have upon me.

(h). Existence of my rights

Please acknowledge and confirm within your response my right to request the rectification or erasure of my personal data and the right to object to or request a restriction the processing which is taking place.

Responding to my request

The above contains all necessary information in order for you to process my request and any delay by yourselves will not absolve you from providing me with the information within one calendar month of the date above as this is being sent to you as an attachment by email.

I believe that the information which has been requested should be readily available to you.

This request should not therefore fall within the legal definition of an excessive or manifestly unfounded request and should not attract any processing fee.

I would be grateful for your assistance in processing my request within the required one month period of your receipt.

Yours faithfully,

[your full name]
Title: Re: Final demand issued by Alliance-Parking for a PCN issued over 21 months ago
Post by: jfollows on March 22, 2025, 02:30:09 pm
Disputes under contract law can be pursued for six years.
Title: Final demand issued by Alliance-Parking for a PCN issued over 21 months ago
Post by: Julesjcm on March 22, 2025, 12:35:21 pm
In June 2023, I received a PCN for a parking charge relating to an overstay on the 31st May 2023 at a privately owed car park in Cornwall, England. I am the registered keeper but I was neither the driver nor anywhere near Cornwall at the time. I immediately completed & returned the PCN giving the details of the actual drivers name and address.

Since then I have heard nothing from Alliance-Parking until I received in the post a Final Demand from them yesterday (21 months later). They threaten that if I don't pay £100 by 02/04/2025 they will forward the case on to their Litigation Dept and commence County Court Proceedings.

The driver who I had named has received absolutely no correspondence at all from Alliance-Parking.

I stupidly did not make a copy of the original PCN nor did I return the details of the actual driver by recorded delivery.

I have tried to make an appeal via their website portal but this was not allowed, I assume due to the time that had passed since the original PCN.

Where do I stand? Can they pursue a PCN even though 21 months has elapsed and they have made no contact during that time?