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Title: Re: 31J Entering & stopping in box junction - Greenwich, Blackwall Lane Junction
Post by: mrmustard on March 23, 2025, 03:40:23 pm
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Title: Re: 31J Entering & stopping in box junction - Greenwich, Blackwall Lane Junction
Post by: Incandescent on March 22, 2025, 09:03:00 pm
The contravention is "....has to stop due to the presence of stationary vehicles". You did not have to stop, although why you stopped in the box is a bit of a mystery to me.
Title: Re: 31J Entering & stopping in box junction - Greenwich, Blackwall Lane Junction
Post by: rhughes on March 22, 2025, 12:24:04 pm
Oh, I am not sure if the images uploaded correctly. Here they are again:

https://imgur.com/a/AA2VRHV
Title: Re: 31J Entering & stopping in box junction - Greenwich, Blackwall Lane Junction
Post by: rhughes on March 22, 2025, 11:05:53 am
The video does show that I stop for 5 seconds at the end - my contention is that there is more than enough space for me to move out of the box. I chose to stop rather than being forced to, and as far as I can see, there is no law against that.
Title: Re: 31J Entering & stopping in box junction - Greenwich, Blackwall Lane Junction
Post by: rhughes on March 22, 2025, 11:03:14 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjvKVrRJqIM
Title: Re: 31J Entering & stopping in box junction - Greenwich, Blackwall Lane Junction
Post by: rhughes on March 22, 2025, 11:01:37 am
Photo they provided as evidence, which the video (next reply) shows to have been taken at a time when the car was clearly still moving.



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Title: Re: 31J Entering & stopping in box junction - Greenwich, Blackwall Lane Junction
Post by: rhughes on March 22, 2025, 10:59:24 am
Greenwich's rejection of my initial appeal. In this they appear to acknowledge that the exit was clear when I entered the box and claim that the offence was stopping. That's wrong, isn't it?



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Title: 31J Entering & stopping in box junction - Greenwich, Blackwall Lane Junction
Post by: rhughes on March 22, 2025, 10:57:54 am
Hello, I'd appreciate your advice on what the tribunal is likely to rule on this. I received a PCN for stopping in a yellow box at the junction of Blackwall Lane and Salutation Road.

The video does show that I stop, but that I clearly could have exited if I needed to - I was just leaving a bit of space behind the car in front and was not blocking anyone. It seems reasonably clear to me that there was no offence committed as the exit was clear when I entered the box, yet Greenwich seem to be deliberately misinterpreting Rule 174 of the Highway Code by saying that the offence was stopping in the box.


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