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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: TheParkingmeister on March 20, 2025, 12:28:50 pm

Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: InterCity125 on November 18, 2025, 09:34:54 am
They aren't 'fines' - they are speculative invoices.
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: TheParkingmeister on August 20, 2025, 11:15:52 am
I guess not. And the company is gonna do what they're gonna do. It was incredibly frustrating when the appeals were days off a decisions.

In work, to me, I deal with these to ensure the drivers don't get unfairly fined, as it is company policy for drivers to pay fines they "incurred". Again, nothing I can do about that policy, but I can do my best to prevent unowed fines being passed onto drivers. As the company paid these, it was not passed onto the drivers. But it is unfortunate they cave into these scammers when they receive the super spooky debt collection letters.

As for the bigger picture, the company may not care, but I do. I appreciate your help and I assure you the drivers are thankful for it too.
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: b789 on August 18, 2025, 05:32:41 pm
Do we really care? If your company just goes ahead and pays these PCNs when there is absolutely no need to do so, then I think we are wasting our time.
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: TheParkingmeister on August 18, 2025, 01:11:58 pm
BPAs Response to my complaint.  >:(

"BPA-063285

Dear Matthew,

Thanks for your patience while I requested CP Plus’ comments.

They have responded to advise that full size images can be reviewed by following https://groupnexus.ec6pay.com/ if the timestamp cannot be reviewed on the Parking Charge.

We believe that, as they are available online, it is compliant with the Code of Practice and the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.

As advised previously, we cannot provide comments on a decision that POPLA has made. You may wish to contact them directly.

Your complaint dated 31/03/2025 was considered as additional appeal correspondence and responded to on 03/04/2025. We have provided feedback to the operator to ensure their responses are clear in showing that the complaint was deemed as an appeal.

I have now closed this case and will not be investigating further.

Kind regards

Laura

 
Compliance Team

British Parking Association"
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: b789 on August 15, 2025, 02:09:38 pm
Feel free to put them in touch with me and I will give them discounted consultation on how to save themselves £1,000s a year in wasted payments that only serve to fund the scammers.
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: TheParkingmeister on August 15, 2025, 12:52:59 pm
Ask your employer why they rushed to pay a speculative invoice? I'd love to know who the firm is, as I can easily print out some speculative invoices and tempt the gullible into paying them with a discount they can't refuse.

This was the second POPLA appeal where they agreed that there was no Keeper liability or evidence of a contract formed with the driver because they failed to state a period of parking.

Tell me about it! Was saying the same thing to my dad last night 😂

They also paid the other 2 of the 6 still at POPLA, and paid the PPS Uxbridge Industrial Estate one where the driver pulled over and stopped for 1 min 56 seconds to set his satnav after leaving a site on the estate. Signage is prohibitory, and no invitation to park under certain terms, so no contract, also had the incorrect postcode of relevant land, no parking period, a clerical error on the land owner authority contract that said "TRADE SALES" etc etc

The reason they gave me for paying the ones at POPLA, is that they didn't want the fines to go up any higher 🤦‍♂️ This was after they had already paid them so I had no chance to explain >:(
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: b789 on August 15, 2025, 11:09:40 am
Ask your employer why they rushed to pay a speculative invoice? I'd love to know who the firm is, as I can easily print out some speculative invoices and tempt the gullible into paying them with a discount they can't refuse.

This was the second POPLA appeal where they agreed that there was no Keeper liability or evidence of a contract formed with the driver because they failed to state a period of parking.
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: roythebus on August 15, 2025, 10:54:40 am
I note in one of the replies from the parking company that the word "motorist" is used. Does that refer to the driver/RK/actual owner/a passenger? As yet I've not seen a legal definition of that. Pity the employer wasted £100.

I'm trying my bit to educate coach operators how to deal with unfair parking charges and fake pcn's.
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: DWMB2 on August 15, 2025, 10:24:31 am
Your employer has voluntarily paid £100 that they did not owe. At face value, that would seem to be their problem, not yours.
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: TheParkingmeister on August 15, 2025, 09:18:16 am
I got this POPLA appeal accepted yesterday. However, my employer decided to pay it last Thursday instead of waiting a few days for the outcome. It should have been withdrawn from the POPLA appeal process, but clearly they didn't get the memo. Where do I stand with this? As ultimately it was assessed and they came to that outcome.
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: TheParkingmeister on June 26, 2025, 08:55:37 pm
I didnt already know but I sure do now.

And nope, driver has not been identified with any of them. With all of the PCN's the timespan of the timestamped photos of the vehicle submitted in the operators evidence is less than a minute, I think they range with 17 seconds being the shortest timespan and 56 seconds being the longest, so yes I guess there is no evidence of formation of contract by conduct.
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: b789 on June 26, 2025, 07:24:19 pm
If you don't already know it, the POPLA assessors can be morons more often than not. Simple legal facts... If the PCNs do not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA then the Keeper cannot be liable. Has the driver been identified by the Keeper?

Even if the driver has been identified, is there any evidence that the driver vehicle remained on location for longer than the minimum consideration period? If the location has over 500 parking spaces, then that is a minimum consideration period of 10 minutes. If there is no evidence that the vehicle remained beyond the minimum consideration period, then there is no evidence of contract buy conduct formation.

POLPLA is not a court of law. The facts as explained above can all be argued as points of law with persuasive appellate case law to back it up. Just ignore any unsuccessful POPLA decision.
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: TheParkingmeister on June 26, 2025, 07:10:04 pm
I thought under PoFA a time period had to be stated on the NtK? The assessors are saying the timestamps of the warden's images the operator provided as evidence to POPLA are sufficient in meeting that requirement. Surely there has to be a legible unambiguous parking period on the Notice itself?
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: b789 on June 26, 2025, 06:37:43 pm
You won't get anywhere with the timestamp argument. Whilst it may not be decipherable on the NtK, the fact that the original high quality version is available to view when trying to appeal on their website, is likely to be accepted.

For the ones that are not successful at POPLA, just ignore. The decision is not binding on you and has no bearing on anything going forwards.

When you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC), whether individually for each PCN or all lumped together, come back and we can deal with it then. They are bound to make procedural mistakes that can very easily be defended on top of the glaringly obvious one, which is there is no evidence that a contract was ever formed.
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: TheParkingmeister on June 26, 2025, 06:22:45 pm
I'm assuming all three appeals were identical. If so, you can't make up the kind of reasoning used by some POPLA assessors. No standardisation. Government regulation of this corrupt industry can't come soon enough.

Yeah the appeals were near identical, the only difference was with where they were parked, the first one was in a coach only bay, second one was stopped at the side of the road in the service station and this third one I believe was stopped behind the HGVs in the HGV bays waiting for a space. The next 3, 2 of them are coach bays and another is stopped at the roadside in the services. All of them have the same compliance issues with the NtK having no parking period stated, all of them have no evidence the consideration period was exceeded, the time stamps on the images on the letter in all cases were not legible, just yellow smudged lines.

In all 3 outcomes so far the assessor has used the high quality original digital version of the Notice to Keeper uploaded by the operator to say the NtK has time stamps and therefore has a parking period. All 3 failed to acknowledge that the version I received and the one I uploaded a copy of does not have legible timestamps, even under a microscope. They should not be allowed to use that as evidence as that is not a true representation of what I received. I did make it clear in my comments on the operator evidence that it is crucial the assessor differentiates between the operator’s digital version and the version I actually received. But they didn't. Easier for them to skim read and only look at the operators evidence I guess 🤷‍♂️

But I'll ask my MP if they can decipher the timestamps lol, that should be fun.
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: b789 on June 26, 2025, 04:58:29 pm
I'm assuming all three appeals were identical. If so, you can't make up the kind of reasoning used by some POPLA assessors. No standardisation. Government regulation of this corrupt industry can't come soon enough.
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: TheParkingmeister on June 26, 2025, 10:47:20 am
Number 3 was successful.

"Decision
Successful
Assessor Name
Richard Beaden
Assessor summary of operator case
The operator has issued a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) as the driver parked in an area where parking is not permitted.

Assessor summary of your case
The appellant dispute that the operator has complied with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. They advise that they have not been provided with evidence that a breach of the terms and conditions has occurred. They explain that the operator’s evidence does not show that a consideration period has been allowed. In support of their appeal the appellant has provided a document detailing their appeal, a copy of the operator’s rejection letter, a copy of the PCN, their appeal to the operator. The appellant has also provided a further document containing their comments.

Assessor supporting rational for decision
When assessing an appeal POPLA considers if the parking operator has issued the parking charge notice correctly and if the driver has complied with the terms and conditions for the use of the car park. I am allowing this appeal. I will explain my reasons below. The operator must show that the PCN has been issued in accordance with the Single Code of Practice. Section 5.1 of the code requires the operator to allow a consideration period. Section B.1 advises that this should be five minutes unless the area is a no stopping area when the consideration period can be reduced to while driving. In order for this to be the case the operator must show that there was sufficient signage for the driver to have been able to read the no parking requirement while driving. Having reviewed the signage there is no dispute that the signage advises that vehicles must park within a bay but I am not satisfied that a driver could have read this while driving as such the operator is required to allow a reasonable consideration period of five minutes so the driver could have exited the vehicle, reviewed the signage, returned to their vehicle and then moved it to a more appropriate location. While the PCN does have date and time stamped images on it which show the duration of the parking event these do not show that a relevant grace period was allowed. As I am allowing the appeal on this basis I do not need to consider any other grounds of appeal.
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: b789 on June 19, 2025, 06:40:21 pm
Sarah is obviously a feckwit and does not understand basic contract law and PoFA. The POPLA decision is not binding on you and has no effect on anything going forwards.

You could make a formal complaint about the assessor but tha would not change the decision, even when they agree that the complaint is upheld. Just goes to show how corrupt this unregulated industry is.

The next step is to ignore all useless debt recovery letters. Debt collectors are powerless to actually do anything except to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear. Simply ignore them.

Eventually, you will receive a Letter of Claim (LoC). Come back when you receive that and we will advise on how to respond.
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: TheParkingmeister on June 19, 2025, 04:31:22 pm
I got the second one through today, had to call them to ask them to change the email address as I wasn't getting their emails.

Apparently they don't need the period of parking on the letter, it just needs to be hidden in microscopic metadata decipherable only with forensic tools or an assessor with superhuman visual acuity able to extract a time from the printer spool file 4 months ago with ultra time warping X-ray vision.


"Hi "my name",

Thank you for your patience while we considered the information provided for your appeal.

We have now reached the end of the appeal process for the Parking Charge Notice number: CP30364562

The decision is final and there is no further opportunity to appeal.

If an appeal is Allowed, this means that your appeal has been successful, and the operator should cancel the parking charge.
When an appeal is Refused, this means that your appeal has been unsuccessful, and to avoid further action by the operator, payment of the Parking Charge Notice should be made within 28 days.
POPLA is not involved with the payment or refund of charges and any questions should be directed to the parking operator.
The assessor has considered the evidence provided by both parties. The reasons for the assessor's determination are as follows:
Assessor summary of operator's case: The parking operator has issued a parking charge notice (PCN) for causing an obstruction to other road users.

Assessor summary of appellant's case: The appellant has raised the following points from their grounds of appeal  
• Notice to Keeper (NTK) fails to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), meaning keeper liability does not arise.
• The NTK breaches the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) due to the absence of a time of contravention and the failure to specify a period of parking.
• The operator has failed to provide decipherable timestamped evidence or demonstrate that the minimum consideration period was exceeded.
• The NTK is fundamentally invalid and does not establish a contravention.
The appellant has provided the letter of appeal the operator, a copy of the PCN, rejection letter, and a screenshot of the operator’s website as evidence to support their appeal.
The above evidence will be considered in making my decision.

Assessor summary of reasons: When assessing an appeal POPLA considers if the parking operator has issued the parking charge notice correctly and if the driver has complied with the terms and conditions for the use of the car park.

The appellant states the Notice to Keeper (NTK) fails to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), meaning keeper liability does not arise.
I have reviewed the copy of the original PCN and can see the alleged breach happened on 11th March 2025.
Section 9. (5) of the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012 states, “The relevant period for the purposes of sub paragraph (4) is the period of 14 days beginning with the day after that on which the specified period of parking ended. (6) A notice sent by post is to be presumed, unless the contrary is proved, to have been delivered (and so “given” for the purposes of sub-paragraph (4)) on the second working day after the day on which it is posted; and for this purpose, “working day” means any day other than a Saturday, Sunday or a public holiday in England and Wales”.

The PCN was issued to the keeper on 17th March 2025. As such, I am satisfied the PCN was issued within the appropriate timeframes
Furthermore, PoFA 2012 sets out to parking operators that:
“The notice must –
f) warn the keeper that if, after the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the notice is given—
(i) the amount of the unpaid parking charges specified under paragraph (d) has not been paid in full, and
(ii) the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid”.

I have reviewed the PCN, and I am satisfied the PCN does contain this information as such, is compliant in this respect. Therefore, liability can be transferred to the registered keeper.
The appellant states NTK breaches the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) due to the absence of a time of contravention and the failure to specify a period of parking. They also state the operator has failed to provide decipherable timestamped evidence or demonstrate that the minimum consideration period was exceeded.

Within the operator’s case file, CP Plus has provided images taken by the warden on the date of the contravention. From reviewing these, I am satisfied that these are date and timestamped from 22:55:27 to 22:56:29 and therefore, I am satisfied these show the period of parking which was in breach of the terms and conditions. These date and time stamped images are also on the NTK therefore, this is compliant.

The Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice (The Code) sets the standards its parking operators need to comply with.
Section 5.1 of the Single Code of Practice states that parking operators must allow a consideration period of appropriate duration, subject to the requirements set out in Annex B to allow a driver time to decide whether or not to park and if they were parked in compliance with the terms and conditions.

Within the operator’s case file, CP Plus has provided evidence of the signage present on site. From reviewing this, it confirms that a £100 PCN would be issued for causing an obstruction to the site, other visitors and/or car park users.

In this case, the vehicle was parked on the road and therefore, ultimately caused an obstruction to other road users. As the vehicle was not parked in compliance with the terms and conditions, they were not entitled to a consideration period and establishes the contravention clearly.
After considering the evidence from both parties, the vehicle was parked causing an obstruction and therefore the appellant did not comply with the terms and conditions of the site. As such, I am satisfied the parking charge has been issued correctly and I must refuse the appeal.

Kind regards

Sarah

POPLA Assessor"
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: b789 on June 19, 2025, 09:04:01 am
We have been dealing with this unregulated industry for years, and we can understand your frustration. POPLA is a business and gets its income from the very BPA members they are adjudicating on. If they accepted too many appeals, they would be p!ssing off their paymasters. Believe it or not, POPLA itself has no, zero oversight.

As I mentioned, a POPLA decision is not binding on you and you simply move on to the next stage in the process After any POPLA rejection, you will eventually start receiving useless debt recovery letters which you can safely ignore. Debt collectors are powerless to do anything except to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear. You will be waiting for the inevitable Letter of Claim (LoC) for each PCN in due course and that is when we progress to the next stage.
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: TheParkingmeister on June 18, 2025, 11:43:37 pm
Are all the assessors this bad?
I think you were particularly unlucky - some are bad, some are alright.

I'd be tempted to complain to POPLA - they won't reverse the decision under any circumstances, but they might (if you're lucky) admit that the assessor made a mistake.

There's often a certain amount of interpretation involved with PoFA, so their conclusion on that is unsurprising, but the idea that the vehicle being "unattended" means that no consideration period required is a baffling conclusion to reach - how is a driver meant to consider the terms on offer without leaving his vehicle unattended to go to the nearest sign and read said terms?

The more I read it, the more it really boils my p*ss.

I'll wait for the outcome on some of the others first before I complain. I know they won't change it, but I'd really like an actual explanation for what they have written. Like how "the consideration period does not apply." as the vehicle is not permitted in the area... but it is sometimes... but you have to read the signs to know that and be able to consider the terms to know this? Isn't that precisely what a consideration period is for? 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ rhetorical question, of course it is.

I'd also like an explanation for the assessors statement "I have reviewed the NtK, and the period of parking is defined by the date and the warden images are timestamped. Therefore, the period of parking was defined." A date is not a period of parking, and the warden images on the NtK have no legible timestamp it is a blurred yellow stripe. I could put the NtK under a magnifying glass, or a microscope, and I still wouldn't be able to read what it says.

It's actually just untrue what she says and that's what really p*sses me off.
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: DWMB2 on June 18, 2025, 11:11:34 pm
Are all the assessors this bad?
I think you were particularly unlucky - some are bad, some are alright.

I'd be tempted to complain to POPLA - they won't reverse the decision under any circumstances, but they might (if you're lucky) admit that the assessor made a mistake.

There's often a certain amount of interpretation involved with PoFA, so their conclusion on that is unsurprising, but the idea that the vehicle being "unattended" means that no consideration period required is a baffling conclusion to reach - how is a driver meant to consider the terms on offer without leaving his vehicle unattended to go to the nearest sign and read said terms?
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: TheParkingmeister on June 18, 2025, 09:10:46 pm
I know people say that but ffs I expected more than that, I didn't realise it was going to be that bad.

They falsely concluded that the NTK was POFA-compliant, based on what reasoning? 🤔🤷‍♂️
They effectively said: "It was a company vehicle. We think POFA was followed. Therefore, the company is liable."

They also said “The yellow timestamp was visible in your own screenshot of the PCN.” it was there but it's not legible, and even in the operators original digital version they submitted was only visible when magnified beyond what the eye could see on an A4 page."

And apparently you don't get a consideration period for a coach only area, even though, HGV's can park there sometimes... if you read the signs... that you are not allowed to read... as there isn't a consideration period. Make it make sense. 🤦‍♂️

I wasn't actually notified of the outcome of this I just happened to check, so I'll wait and see the other outcomes and see if they notify me before doing anything. You think they will likely all be the same outcome? Are all the assessors this bad?

I also put in a formal complaint with GroupNexus about 75 days ago now, and a follow up email 30 days ago and have had no response. I put in a complaint to BPA 30 days ago and got a response on Monday asking if I had a response from the parking operator yet.

Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: b789 on June 18, 2025, 05:55:35 pm
Don't worry. The POPLA decision is not binding on you. Do not pay anything.

As you can see, the POPLA assessor has very limited intellectual conception about consideration periods and contracts formed by conduct. You may as well have been trying to persuade a chimpanzee about the nuances of PoFA and contract law.

Wait for all the responses.
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: TheParkingmeister on June 18, 2025, 05:41:38 pm
1st one of 6 appeals came back all appealed with the same non-compliance issues. Not quite sure how liability can be transferred to the keeper 🤔

"Decision

Unsuccessful



Assessor Name

Heidi Brown



Assessor summary of operator case

The parking operator has issued a parking charge notice due to the motorist parking in a coach bay.



Assessor summary of your case

The appellant has raised the following points from their grounds of appeal: - The appellant states the Notice to Keeper fails to meet the requirements of the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012. They further state it fails to establish the contravention. - The appellant states the PCN does not define the period of parking. - The appellant states the operator has failed to provide photo evidence to demonstrate that the consideration period was exceeded. Upon reviewing the operator’s evidence, the appellant has reiterated their grounds. The appellant has provided copies of their appeal, a copy of the PCN, a screenshot of the operator’s portal and correspondence with the operator.



Assessor supporting rational for decision

When assessing an appeal POPLA considers if the parking operator has issued the parking charge notice correctly and if the driver has complied with the terms and conditions for the use of the car park. When entering a site, it is the motorist’s responsibility to read the signs and adhere to the terms and conditions stated. In this case, the signs state Coach parking only...HGV parking is allowed between the hours of 19:00 - 07:00 and only when the HGV area is full. The operator has provided warden images which show the HGV in question parked in the coach bay at 16:16. Therefore, the terms and conditions of the site were breached, and a charge was issued for £100. - The appellant states the Notice to Keeper fails to meet the requirements of the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012. They further state it fails to establish the contravention. The Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012 is a law that allows parking operators to transfer the liability to the registered keeper in the event that the driver or hirer is not identified. The parking operator is holding "the company" liable as the registered keeper.

I have reviewed the Notice to Keeper (NTK) and can confirm that it contains all the relevant sections of PoFA, and it was issued within the relevant timeframe. Therefore, it is a compliant NTK, and the operator is permitted to pursue "the company" as the keeper. It should be noted that the PCN clearly state the reason for issue as: Parking in a coach bay. As the vehicle is a HGV it is clear what contravention occurred. - The appellant states the PCN does not define the period of parking. I have reviewed the NTK, and the period of parking is defined by the date and the warden images are timestamped. Therefore, the period of parking was defined. - The appellant states the operator has failed to provide photo evidence to demonstrate that the consideration period was exceeded. The appellant continued to dispute this in the motorist comments. The Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice (The Code) sets the standards its parking operators need to comply with. Section 5.1 of the Single Code of Practice states that parking operators must allow a consideration period of appropriate duration, subject to the requirements set out in Annex B to allow a driver time to decide whether or not to park. The vehicle in question was left unattended in a bay where it was not permitted to park. Whilst the observation period is short, as the vehicle was not permitted to park in the area, the consideration period does not apply. It should be noted that the PCN images are timestamped, whilst the timestamp is small, the yellow timestamps are visible on the appellant’s own evidence of the PCN. The appellant has stated in the motorist comments that they were not afforded the opportunity to see the timestamped warden images on the operator’s portal, they provided a screenshot to support this.

POPLA’s sole role is to assess if the terms were breached and if the charge was issued correctly. It is not within our remit to comment on the operator’s internal appeals process, if the appellant wishes to make a complaint about this, they can contact the operator. The appellant has reiterated their original grounds of appeal after reviewing the operator’s case file. As I have addressed these issues above, I will not comment further. After considering the evidence from both parties, the motorist parked in a coach bay and therefore did not comply with the terms and conditions of the site. As such, I am satisfied the parking charge has been issued correctly and I must refuse the appeal."
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: TheParkingmeister on April 08, 2025, 02:10:17 pm
I was just thinking if they came back with evidence of the timestamped photos on their portal, it would look like I lied by saying there was no additional evidence on the online portal.
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: b789 on April 08, 2025, 01:15:56 pm
If you think it helps or will make a difference, then put what you want in the appeal. Thos two images you've shown us are not going to prove anything.
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: TheParkingmeister on April 08, 2025, 09:36:39 am
Doesn't matter. They have no evidence that the vehicle wasn't parked for longer than the minimum consideration period for a contract to have been made with the driver.


Thanks very much for the draft, that is super helpful and is greatly appreciated!

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The operator’s online portal does not provide additional evidence.

Is it worth including screenshots (which I have) from the portal? It shows I'm not just making it up, even if I was unwittingly using the wrong version of the portal, it is still their portal, which allows you to login, has the group nexus name and logo, and clearly states you can pay or appeal a parking charge notice issued by cp plus, groupnexus or highview parking on it. It's not like they can say it's not their portal 🤷‍♂️

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Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: b789 on April 07, 2025, 01:38:27 pm
Doesn't matter. They have no evidence that the vehicle wasn't parked for longer than the minimum consideration period for a contract to have been made with the driver.

Here is a draft of your POPLA appeal:

Quote
I am acting as the authorised agent of the registered keeper of the vehicle. The keeper was not the driver and is under no legal obligation to identify the driver. The Keeper has a fleet that includes over 700 vehicles and more than 900 drivers. Vehicles regularly have multiple drivers each day, especially on motorway routes. Without any indication of the time of the alleged contravention, it was impossible for the keeper to investigate or determine who the driver was. This is entirely due to the operator’s failure to include the required details in the Notice to Keeper.

This appeal is made on the following grounds:

1. The Notice to Keeper (NtK) fails to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), meaning keeper liability does not arise.
2. The NtK breaches the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) due to the absence of a time of contravention and the failure to specify a period of parking.
3. The operator has failed to provide decipherable timestamped evidence or demonstrate that the minimum consideration period was exceeded.
4. The NtK is fundamentally invalid and does not establish a contravention
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1. The NtK fails to comply with PoFA 2012

Under Paragraph 9(2)(a) of Schedule 4 to PoFA, a Notice to Keeper must “specify the period of parking to which the notice relates.” GroupNexus’s NtK fails to do this. It merely provides a date and includes two undated photographs. A single moment in time or a single date is not a period of parking. This point was confirmed in the persuasive appellate decision of Brennan v Premier Parking Solutions [2023] H6DP632H, in which the judge ruled that PoFA requires more than a single moment in time recorded and this NtK does not even have that. A period must be stated.

Because this requirement has not been met, the operator cannot hold the keeper liable.

2. The NtK breaches the PPSCoP

Under section 2.24 of the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP), it states that a "parking period is:

"the length of time that a vehicle remains on controlled land, which includes the consideration period.
NOTE: A parking charge must not be enforced where the consideration period has not expired."

Therefore, a parking charge notice must not only include both the date and time of the alleged contravention but also at least the minimum period of the alleged contravention. The NtK in this case includes neither a time of contravention nor a period of parking. This is a direct breach of the Code.

Section 8 of the PPSCoP confirms that in order to pursue keeper liability, operators must comply fully with PoFA. The NtK does not meet these requirements and therefore fails both the statutory and code-based obligations.

Additionally, Section B1 of the PPSCoP requires a minimum consideration period to be allowed before any parking charge is issued. For car parks with over 500 spaces, the minimum is 10 minutes. No evidence has been provided to show that this 10-minute period was exceeded and that a contract could have been formed with the driver.

3. No timestamped evidence and no proof the consideration period expired

The NtK contains two photographs of the vehicle, allegedly in a coach bay, with no evidence to back that assertion. However, neither photo has a decipherable timestamp. There is no entry time, no exit time, and no ANPR data showing duration. The operator’s online portal does not provide additional evidence.

There is simply no way to determine whether the vehicle was parked where they claim or at all, or whether it was just stationary briefly. No elapsed time has been demonstrated. Without this, the operator has failed to prove that the minimum 10-minute consideration period was exceeded.

4. The NtK is not a valid PCN

A valid Parking Charge Notice must contain enough information to allow either the keeper or the driver to understand what is being alleged. This NtK fails to state a time of contravention, does not specify any period of parking, and does not include timestamped evidence to support any claim of breach.

The absence of these basic elements renders the NtK fundamentally invalid.

Conclusion:

This NtK fails to comply with PoFA, breaches the PPSCoP, lacks evidence, and does not show that the consideration period was exceeded. The operator has not established that any contravention occurred, and keeper liability does not arise. The appeal must be upheld.
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: TheParkingmeister on April 07, 2025, 10:46:49 am
POPLA decisions are only binding on the operator. So, if your appeal is successful, the operator must cancel the PCN. If not, then the POPLA appeal is not binding on you.

POPLA is not some authority and have very little respect from myself or anyone else who assists in these matters. They are a company that exists because of the funding they get from the BPA members, the very same ones they are supposed to adjudicating on. Do you see the conflict of interest here?

If your POPLA appeal is unsuccessful... so what? You move on to the next phase which is ignoring all the useless debt collector demands and wait for a Letter of Claim (LoC) and subsequent N1SDT Claim Form where you will be able to defend the claim with our assistance. The odds of an actual claim ever reaching an actual hearing are very low as almost all claims are either struck out or discontinued. The very few that make it as far as an actual hearing in the ultimate dispute resolution service which is with a judge, are won.

Hi, sorry to bother you again. This is the appeal letter I have written for POPLA:
“I am an agent of the registered keeper of the vehicle in question, and I am appealing the Parking Charge Notice (PCN), issued by GroupNexus, on their behalf.

I, the registered keeper was not the driver at the time of the alleged contravention and am under no legal obligation to identify the driver.
 

I dispute the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the following grounds:

(1) Failure to adhere to the requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA)

(2) Notice to Keeper in breach of the BPA Code of Practice


1. Failure to adhere to requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012

GroupNexus’s Notice to Keeper (NtK) fails to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) which prevent them from transferring liability from the driver to me, the registered keeper. PoFA was introduced to allow parking operators to hold keepers liable when the driver is not known, but only if the operator is fully compliant with the Act’s requirements.

In this case, GroupNexus’s non-compliance with PoFA requirements invalidates their claim to hold the keeper liable. The Notice to Keeper that has been issued by GroupNexus does not include a period of parking which must be included on the Notice to Keeper as per PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(a). In Brennan v Premier Parking Solutions (2023) [H6DP632H] it was determined that a single point in time is not a “period of parking” and there must be a minimum period stated to comply with PoFA 2012.

Partial or substantial compliance is not sufficient, as established in several POPLA decisions and persuasive appeals in the courts. Therefore, GroupNexus’s NtK is invalid for the purposes of transferring liability to the registered keeper.
 

2. The NtK fails to comply with the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice, to which GroupNexus is a member.

There should be a time of contravention recorded (17.2.1 (c)), and a period of parking specified (Annex C, “Liability”) to satisfy that the consideration period has expired (see Annex B, B.1 & Table B.1).

GroupNexus are required to record the time of contravention. Furthermore, a specified period of parking must be included, not only to meet the requirements set out by the PoFA, but also to ensure compliance with Annex C, Liability, of the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice. Annex C explicitly states that meeting the conditions of PoFA is essential for transferring liability and pursuing the Registered Keeper. A specified period of parking is also necessary to ensure GroupNexus complies with the application of the consideration period and verifies its expiration as per Annex B, B.1 & Table B.1 of the BPA Code of Practice.

This was pointed out to the operator in the original appeal but was completely ignored in their response. I cannot be held liable as the keeper because the Notice to Keeper (NtK) failed to comply fully with the requirements of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA).

Beyond the regulations and code of practice, the registered keeper has over 700 vehicles and employs over 900 drivers. There are vehicles with multiple drivers a day, often doing the same routes and stopping at the same services. I would require some indication of what time it occurred to identify who the driver was with certainty.”

I'm an idiot, I wrote this and realised I had been looking at (https://nexusplatform.co.uk/parking-charge/) for pictures and not (https://groupnexus.ec6pay.com/), I had googled groupnexus appeals I'd guess and gone on the usual site I would use for them (presumably an old site?). The images online are timestamped, there are 3 of them of the vehicle, which are taken over a timespan of 17 seconds.

Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: TheParkingmeister on April 03, 2025, 04:05:13 pm
Okay, I hadn't actually seen your last response, on page 2, duh 🙄 
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: TheParkingmeister on April 03, 2025, 04:01:46 pm
Just wait for the inevitable appeal rejection and the POPLA code. You will have 33 days from the appeal rejection date to make your POPLA appeal.

I got the rejection letter for both of them back today. I actually got another PCN with the same issue yesterday which I appealed the same way.

But now I will appeal to POPLA. I have seen a few successful appeals for this on moneysupermarket forums with non compliant NtK, such as one that had the site location as Lidl *whatever the town was called* and there is 2 lidls in the town and they didn't specify which. I think the same one also didn't have the writing saying that after 28 days, the registered keeper would be held liable if the notice is ignored etc etc.

But is partial none compliance, like not having a specified parking period or time of contravention, enough to win a POPLA appeal? I guess I just don't have confidence in POPLA. Should I have confidence in them here?
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: b789 on April 02, 2025, 04:39:23 pm
POPLA decisions are only binding on the operator. So, if your appeal is successful, the operator must cancel the PCN. If not, then the POPLA appeal is not binding on you.

POPLA is not some authority and have very little respect from myself or anyone else who assists in these matters. They are a company that exists because of the funding they get from the BPA members, the very same ones they are supposed to adjudicating on. Do you see the conflict of interest here?

If your POPLA appeal is unsuccessful... so what? You move on to the next phase which is ignoring all the useless debt collector demands and wait for a Letter of Claim (LoC) and subsequent N1SDT Claim Form where you will be able to defend the claim with our assistance. The odds of an actual claim ever reaching an actual hearing are very low as almost all claims are either struck out or discontinued. The very few that make it as far as an actual hearing in the ultimate dispute resolution service which is with a judge, are won.
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: TheParkingmeister on April 02, 2025, 03:40:55 pm
Just wait for the inevitable appeal rejection and the POPLA code. You will have 33 days from the appeal rejection date to make your POPLA appeal.

And is a POPLA appeal likely to be accepted for this? What would a rejection mean here? That the liability is transferred to the registered keeper? Or that I would be obliged to give the drivers details? I would assume the former.
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: b789 on April 02, 2025, 12:13:42 pm
Just wait for the inevitable appeal rejection and the POPLA code. You will have 33 days from the appeal rejection date to make your POPLA appeal.
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: TheParkingmeister on April 02, 2025, 11:59:20 am
Personally, I would respond to that as follows:

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Dear CP Plus Ltd,

Thank you for your letter.

The contents are noted. Your request is refused.

I refer you to the reply given in the case of Arkell v Pressdram [1971] (https://prunescape.fandom.com/wiki/The_Reply_Given_in_Arkell_v_Pressdram_(1971)).

Yours,

[Your name or initials]

I did respond to one of them but not the other... yet. I'm wondering if this actually requires a response and I should just wait out the 28 days, or does 8.4.1 (b) allow them to basically make up there own time frame.

The old code had section 31- Complaints, challenges and appeals. 31.1 said Operators must have procedures for dealing fairly, efficiently and promptly with any communication from the motorist. The procedures must give drivers and keepers the chance to appeal a parking charge notice.

But they seem to have done away this, and the use of words like fairly, efficiently and promptly. Lol

I have my managers support with these so that's good, means I can appeal to POPLA if necessary
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: b789 on March 27, 2025, 10:48:06 am
Personally, I would respond to that as follows:

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Dear CP Plus Ltd,

Thank you for your letter.

The contents are noted. Your request is refused.

I refer you to the reply given in the case of Arkell v Pressdram [1971] (https://prunescape.fandom.com/wiki/The_Reply_Given_in_Arkell_v_Pressdram_(1971)).

Yours,

[Your name or initials]
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: TheParkingmeister on March 27, 2025, 10:04:59 am
GroupNexus, or any other unregulated parking company will never accept an initial appeal. No money in that for them.

However, as this verminous company are BPA members, any rejection will be accompanied by a POPLA code, which should give you a much better chance at a successful appeal. Even if unsuccessful at POPLA, that decision is not binding on you and has no effect on anything going forward.

Looking at your NtK, those images do have a timestamp on them so that part of any argument is out of the window. Have you gone on to their website as though to appeal and seen what other photographic evidence they have?

Just send the basic appeal provided earlier for now. Anything more than that is a wasted effort at this stage.

Hi, they replied with this. Obviously haven't considered my representations or they would know I can't identify the driver because they haven't given a time. I had another PCN very similar but a completely different location, I appealed that one the same, and also got this same response. Any suggestions on how to respond?

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Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: TheParkingmeister on March 21, 2025, 05:05:08 pm
GroupNexus, or any other unregulated parking company will never accept an initial appeal. No money in that for them.

However, as this verminous company are BPA members, any rejection will be accompanied by a POPLA code, which should give you a much better chance at a successful appeal. Even if unsuccessful at POPLA, that decision is not binding on you and has no effect on anything going forward.

Looking at your NtK, those images do have a timestamp on them so that part of any argument is out of the window. Have you gone on to their website as though to appeal and seen what other photographic evidence they have?

Just send the basic appeal provided earlier for now. Anything more than that is a wasted effort at this stage.

True, though some, like Parkingeye, won't pursue if the vehicle had broken down or had a puncture and had to be recovered or repaired and I evidence it with job sheets. Where as GroupNexus do not show that sort of kindness, according to them being dragged to the service station against your will is still accepting the terms of the contract. UKPC also have been reasonable in my experience.

And f*ck, I had to turn up the contrast to even see that, I may be colour blind! But it is still not legible, just blurred pixels. There is no images online, I logged in with the Ref no and vrm hoping to see some clear images. But no, there was nothing. There's not even an option to appeal online on their pay or appeal site anymore (have to send to that appeal email).
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: b789 on March 21, 2025, 04:13:07 pm
GroupNexus, or any other unregulated parking company will never accept an initial appeal. No money in that for them.

However, as this verminous company are BPA members, any rejection will be accompanied by a POPLA code, which should give you a much better chance at a successful appeal. Even if unsuccessful at POPLA, that decision is not binding on you and has no effect on anything going forward.

Looking at your NtK, those images do have a timestamp on them so that part of any argument is out of the window. Have you gone on to their website as though to appeal and seen what other photographic evidence they have?

Just send the basic appeal provided earlier for now. Anything more than that is a wasted effort at this stage.
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: TheParkingmeister on March 21, 2025, 10:20:31 am
So, your employer is the RK. You will need to explain the situation to them. There is persuasive case law as I have shown you that confirms that a Parking Charge Notice, whether issued as a windscreen Notice to Driver (NtD) or a postal Notice to Keeper (NtK) or postal Notice to Hirer (NtH) that does not show a "period of parking" as an actual period of time, then it is not PoFA compliant.

Simply stating the period as "the period prior to..." or "the period after..." a single point in time is not enough to satisfy the requirements of PoFA. For the Keeper to be liable under PoFA, ALL the requirements of PoFA must be met. Just like pregnancy, you either are or you aren't. GroupNexus cannot be partially or even mostly PoFA compliant. They either are or they aren't and, as you can see and read from the persuasive case law, they aren't.

As there is no legal obligation on the Keeper (or Hirer) to identify the driver, who is the only entity that can be liable, then they have nowhere to go with this. Yes, they may try to take it all the way to a court claim but that is simply because most people are low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree and they expect all this low-hanging fruit to pay up once litigation starts, out of ignorance and fear.

As we know here. from years of experience in dealing with this rogue industry that as long as a claim is defenced, the odds of them going all the way are very slim and of the few that do, most are won.

As for the "consideration period" that is quoted in Table B.1 of the PPSCoP:

(https://i.imgur.com/k4Fsgn9.png)

So, if I go all out today in my appeal to them to try and avoid going to POPLA, is there a chance the parking company could re-issue the PCN with a time period or time stamped photos? Is this the purpose of keeping it brief and then appealing to POPLA, to avoid this happening? Or is there some other reason? Thanks in advance! 🙂
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: TheParkingmeister on March 20, 2025, 04:50:50 pm

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Pffft! I'm not sure what your "experience" with the BPA is, but in mine, which is long and extensive, I would not agree with you. The BPA are not fit for purpose. Why would they be? They are a Limited Company and their income is from their membership. They are loath to bite the hand that feeds them in my experience.

Shhh don't tell me that! I need to have some faith in something!

Only dealt with them once tbf, but regarding 3 PCN's, from no other than the great GroupNexus. They were responding to my appeals demanding to know the drivers details, and not accepting or rejecting the appeals despite the registered keeper having the right to appeal.
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: b789 on March 20, 2025, 04:35:07 pm
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And atleast in my experience BPA do seem to take complaints seriously, especially where the parking firm have unequivocally violated the code of practice.

Pffft! I'm not sure what your "experience" with the BPA is, but in mine, which is long and extensive, I would not agree with you. The BPA are not fit for purpose. Why would they be? They are a Limited Company and their income is from their membership. They are loath to bite the hand that feeds them in my experience.
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: TheParkingmeister on March 20, 2025, 04:25:10 pm
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If you are the registered keeper of the vehicle as per the DVLA's records then what does your employer have to do with it? The notice is addressed to you, not them.

What I actually meant was the company I work for is the registered keeper, so I guess I'd be considered an agent of the registered keeper.

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Essentially yes - the period covered by the photos or stated on the notice would, at the very least, need to be long enough to show that the vehicle was there long enough to conclude that a contract has been formed giving rise to a charge.

Contract law (and to an extent, common sense) says that a person cannot be bound by contract terms he has not had the opportunity to read and acquaint himself with. The Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice sets out some defined 'consideration periods' which are what they consider to be suitable minimum times allowed for this. The Code of Practice is not law, but is a useful starting point.

Thanks for clarifying. And atleast in my experience BPA do seem to take complaints seriously, especially where the parking firm have unequivocally violated the code of practice.
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: b789 on March 20, 2025, 04:08:50 pm
So, your employer is the RK. You will need to explain the situation to them. There is persuasive case law as I have shown you that confirms that a Parking Charge Notice, whether issued as a windscreen Notice to Driver (NtD) or a postal Notice to Keeper (NtK) or postal Notice to Hirer (NtH) that does not show a "period of parking" as an actual period of time, then it is not PoFA compliant.

Simply stating the period as "the period prior to..." or "the period after..." a single point in time is not enough to satisfy the requirements of PoFA. For the Keeper to be liable under PoFA, ALL the requirements of PoFA must be met. Just like pregnancy, you either are or you aren't. GroupNexus cannot be partially or even mostly PoFA compliant. They either are or they aren't and, as you can see and read from the persuasive case law, they aren't.

As there is no legal obligation on the Keeper (or Hirer) to identify the driver, who is the only entity that can be liable, then they have nowhere to go with this. Yes, they may try to take it all the way to a court claim but that is simply because most people are low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree and they expect all this low-hanging fruit to pay up once litigation starts, out of ignorance and fear.

As we know here. from years of experience in dealing with this rogue industry that as long as a claim is defenced, the odds of them going all the way are very slim and of the few that do, most are won.

As for the "consideration period" that is quoted in Table B.1 of the PPSCoP:

(https://i.imgur.com/k4Fsgn9.png)
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: DWMB2 on March 20, 2025, 04:00:41 pm
My concern is my employer may not let me make a POPLA appeal.
If you are the registered keeper of the vehicle as per the DVLA's records then what does your employer have to do with it? The notice is addressed to you, not them.

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In the case you mentioned it was determined that a single point in time is not a "period of parking" and that whilst it does not have to be the whole period of parking, there must be a minimum period stated.
Essentially yes - the period covered by the photos or stated on the notice would, at the very least, need to be long enough to show that the vehicle was there long enough to conclude that a contract has been formed giving rise to a charge.

Contract law (and to an extent, common sense) says that a person cannot be bound by contract terms he has not had the opportunity to read and acquaint himself with. The Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice sets out some defined 'consideration periods' which are what they consider to be suitable minimum times allowed for this. The Code of Practice is not law, but is a useful starting point.
Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: TheParkingmeister on March 20, 2025, 03:53:42 pm
Thanks for taking the time to respond, it's much appreciated.

My concern is my employer may not let me make a POPLA appeal. In the past I have had to make a complaint to BPA to have them cancelled, so I may need to go that route.

Just checking I understand, you're saying that by not specifying a time/parking period, it is not compliant with FoPA, and the driver cannot be identified (we do have 2 or 3 people driving vehicles per day so I don't actually know anyway), and the liability cannot be transferred to the keeper because they have not provided relevant details to allow the driver to be identified.

In the case you mentioned it was determined that a single point in time is not a "period of parking" and that whilst it does not have to be the whole period of parking, there must be a minimum period stated. This would be a case of case law filling in the gaps of statutory law?

As for the consideration period, is that in regulation or is that part of BPA & IPC single code of practice (Which ofc they still have to comply with)?

Sorry for the questions I just like to understand what I'm saying/writing, not just copy and pasting stuff with no idea what it means.

Title: Re: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: b789 on March 20, 2025, 02:06:28 pm
That NtK is not PoFA compliant and so the known registered keeper (RK) cannot be liable for the unknown (to GroupNexus) driver. Their Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not conform to PoFA paragraph 9(2)(a) as it does not specify a "period of parking".

In Brennan v Premier Parking Solutions (2023) [H6DP632H] (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/1b9rpna57dutsetdgwi60/Brennan-v-Premier-Parking-Plymouth-CC-Judgment-20230821-V-Final_-14.pdf?rlkey=203u1fav6fve811lz8cm8wpwx&st=10aq8xcz&dl=0) it was determined that a single point in time is not a "period of parking" and that whilst it does not have to be the whole period of parking, there must be a minimum period stated. As there is a minimum consideration period for all private parking terms and conditions to be able to be read, it therefore means that a minimum period of parking must cover at least the minimum consideration period, which in most cases is at least 5 minutes.

Basically, what you need to do now is appeal the PCN as the Keeper. As any initial appeal is going to be rejected, we keep it short and sweet. Once rejected you will have 33 days from the appeal rejection to make an appeal to POPLA which will be more comprehensive.

There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.

The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known keeper.

Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove anything from it:

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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. GroupNexus has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. GroupNexus have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
Title: GroupNexus - MOTO Thurrock - No Time of Contravention or Time Stamped Photos
Post by: TheParkingmeister on March 20, 2025, 12:28:50 pm
I am not the driver but registered keeper. A HGV has parked in a coach only area at MOTO Thurrock. Actually google maps, and dashcam footage show many HGV's parked there (not that it makes it okay). A parking warden (i guess) has taken photos of the vehicle, only the 2 on the letter, no additional photos online either. They are not time stamped, nor does the letter have a time of contravention. Does BPA code of practice not say date and time is to be recorded for a notice, and photographic evidence is to be time stamped? If so is this not grounds for appeal? I actually initially thought it was a scam as I was unable to appeal online, but it seems you have to email the appeal now.

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