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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: Fal3 on March 19, 2025, 10:49:29 am

Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: Fal3 on October 25, 2025, 12:08:30 pm
I've now had a response from POPLA complaints, please see the email on the following hosted link:

https://ibb.co/ds8Xdrn6 (https://ibb.co/ds8Xdrn6)

I've also had a notice of transfer to solicitors from GCTT - nothing from the solicitors as yet

Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: Fal3 on October 10, 2025, 12:58:53 pm
No response to the POPLA complaint, I've chased them today

DVLA responded to the step 2 complaint as follows:

Dear
Thank you for your email of 21 May about the release of information from our vehicle register and the dispute you have with the parking company Saba Park Services UK Ltd. Your case has been escalated to step 2 of our complaints procedure and I have been asked to reply.
We aim to reply within 10 working days. However, on this occasion, it has taken us longer as our current work volumes are higher than usual. Please accept my apologies for this.
I understand you feel that Saba Park Services UK Ltd did not meet the requirements set out in the Protection of Freedoms Act (POFA) 2012, and that they have breached the Private Parking Single Code of Practice. I fully appreciate you feel that although the company had reasonable cause to request your information, this was then misused. However, I must advise that it is not a matter for the DVLA to decide on the merits of individual cases or to arbitrate in any civil disputes between motorists and private companies or other enforcement agencies. We cannot regulate any aspect of a company’s business. Any representations should be made to the landowner or their agent.
I should explain that overall responsibility for off-street parking sits with the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government (MHCLG). This includes matters relating to the applicability of the keeper liability measures provided by the POFA 2012. Therefore, you may wish to direct your complaint to MHCLG for consideration. They can be contacted by emailing parking@communities.gov.uk
It may also help to explain that the DVLA’s role in this context is to consider whether the release of information to third parties requesting the data meets the reasonable cause provision under Regulation 27(1)(e) of the Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2002. As you are aware, the release of information to private car parking companies is considered to be a reasonable cause.
Landowners would have great difficulty in enforcing their rights if motorists were able to park with impunity on private land. The contact details of the registered keepers of vehicles are provided as a starting point to allow alleged infringements of private parking terms to be followed up.
This disclosure is in keeping with data protection principles and the Information Commissioner (ICO) is aware that information held by the DVLA can be used in this way.
The ICO’s opinion regarding the lawful basis for the processing of vehicle keeper data is published here.
Recipients of information from our records are bound by contract and subject to audit. The supporting evidence relevant to each request must be held and stored securely by the company. Anyone making a false declaration to obtain information may be leaving themselves open to prosecution under data protection laws. As my colleague has explained, Saba Park Services UK Ltd, separately from us, is the data controller of each item of data received from us from the point of receipt. Saba Park Services UK Ltd has a duty to comply with data protection legislation and any data protection principles in relation to any further processing.
As my colleague has also explained, Saba Park Services UK Ltd are a member of the British Parking Association (BPA). Section 18 (page 30) of the code of practice (available here) covers monitoring compliance. If the BPA find that Saba Park Services UK Ltd have not followed the correct procedures, they will take the appropriate action. As previously advised, this could mean that the parking company is suspended or expelled. During which time no data will be provided to them by the DVLA. As noted on section 18.11 of the code of practice, the ATAs inform the DVLA and the other ATA immediately if an operator is suspended, expelled from membership.
In closing, I can assure you we have followed the correct procedures in releasing your data and we cannot become involved in the dispute that has now arisen between you and the parking company. Saba Park Services UK Ltd are responsible for making decisions about how the personal data they hold is handled, ensuring compliance with data protection regulations including the UK General Data Protection Regulation GDPR. If you cannot resolve this matter through appealing to Saba Park Services UK Ltd or via the BPA’s process, or through contact with MHCLG, you have the option of seeking independent legal advice. Ultimately it would be for a court to determine the validity of any claim.
This brings the DVLA procedure to an end. Further options can be found in the enclosed leaflet, (MIS 582), which outlines the remit of the Independent Complaints Assessor (ICA).
Please note, an ICA cannot look at complaints about legislation, government, departmental or agency policy.
I must also advise that an ICA would review the handling of your enquiry but if you are not satisfied with the way that we (or indeed the other parties concerned) have handled your data, you should contact the Information Commissioner’s Office. Further information and their contact details can be found at ico.org.uk
Yours sincerely
DVLA Complaints Team
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Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: b789 on October 06, 2025, 03:46:52 pm
Have you not had a response from the complaint made to POPLA? Have you had a response to the step 2 complaint to the DVLA?

You can continue to ignore GCTT and any other useless debt collector.

Chase up POPLA for a response to the complaint. If you don't get one, raise this with your MP.

On 4th October, I sent the following reminder to TfL:

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Further to your email of 13 August 2025 confirming you would “revert within 10 days… by 23 August 2025”, no response has been received. The deadline has now passed.

For the avoidance of doubt, the outstanding question is simple and binary:

Does the land comprising North Greenwich Station Car Park (SE10 0PH) remain subject to the TfL Railway Byelaws 2011?

If not, when and by what legal instrument (revocation/disapplication/supersession) did those byelaws cease to apply to that land? Please provide the document(s).

In light of the missed deadline, please provide a substantive legal answer (and any supporting instrument) within 5 working days of today’s date. Failing that, I will proceed to escalation without further notice, including:

a complaint to the Information Commissioner’s Office regarding TfL’s handling of my information request and subsequent failure to provide the recorded legal position; and

referral via my MP to the Parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman for maladministration and delay.
Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: Fal3 on October 06, 2025, 03:22:24 pm
@b789, no major update other than a CCTT warning of transfer to solicitors in 14 days

In your message above you said:

• The ICO and BPA should now be formally notified of TfL’s admission and the implications of SABA continuing enforcement against the keeper.

Should I be notifying ICO and BPA in order to have a response to use as evidence in court - if it gets that far?

thanks


Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: Fal3 on August 01, 2025, 02:50:54 pm
Ok thank you, the complaint has been submitted
Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: b789 on July 31, 2025, 12:06:19 pm
I already mentioned earlier that a POPLA decision is not binding and, as you can see, irrelevant when their own assessors are too intellectually malnourished to understand the most basic contract law and PoFA.

You must ignore all upcoming useless debt recovery letters. As already pointed out, debt collectors are powerless to do anything except to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear.

If you ever receive a Letter of Claim (LoC) then come back and we can easily deal with it. For the time being, you can send the following complaint to POPLA but it will not alter their decision but it will keep a paper trail that evidences their utter uselessness.

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To: complaints@popla.co.uk

Subject: Formal Complaint – Flawed Adjudication and Material Errors in POPLA Decision [POPLA REF]

Dear POPLA Complaints Team,

I am writing to raise a formal and extremely serious complaint regarding the handling of my appeal against a Parking Charge Notice issued by Saba Park Services UK Ltd at North Greenwich Station Car Park (PCN ref: [INSERT PCN REF]). The decision issued by your assessor is factually flawed, legally unsound, and has utterly failed to address the key grounds raised in the appeal. The conduct and competence of the assessor fall far below any acceptable standard for a supposed adjudicative body.

This is not merely a difference of opinion. The decision was reached on the basis of material misstatements of the law, a failure to consider the evidence, and a complete lack of engagement with the arguments advanced. I set out below the specific failings:

1. Incorrect Creditor Identified on the Notice to Keeper – PoFA Non-Compliance
The appeal clearly explained that the Notice to Keeper (NtK) was non-compliant with Paragraph 9(2)(h) of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 because Saba Park Services UK Ltd is not the creditor. The contract provided by Saba themselves explicitly states on page 1:

The Landowner is the creditor for all notices of parking charge issued...

That landowner is TTL Properties Limited, as named throughout the contract. This alone invalidates the NtK for the purpose of transferring liability to the registered keeper.

However, the POPLA assessor ignored this decisive contractual clause and, without justification or analysis, accepted the false premise that Saba is the creditor. This is a demonstrable misreading of the operator’s own evidence. As a result, the entire decision is based on an unsound legal foundation. This represents an inexcusable level of negligence in evaluating the evidence and is a fundamental flaw in the decision.

2. Failure to Specify a Period of Parking – PoFA 9(2)(a) Breach Overlooked
The NtK does not specify a period of parking. It merely lists a date of contravention, without any entry or exit time or stated duration. The requirement under PoFA is clear: a “period of parking” must be identified. A single observation or timestamp is not sufficient.

This was clearly explained in the appeal and supported by persuasive County Court appellate authority in Brennan v Premier Parking Solutions (2023) [H6DP632H], which was cited and ignored. This fundamental error shows either the assessor’s lack of basic legal competence or an unwillingness to apply PoFA correctly.

3. PPSCoP Breach – Appeal Response Overdue
A postal appeal was received by Saba on 23 March 2025 (confirmed in their evidence), yet no response or POPLA code was issued within the 28-day period required by Clause 8.4.1(b) and Annex C.1.1 of the Private Parking Single Code of Practice.

The assessor wrongly claimed that “there is no timeframe for a response”, a statement which is demonstrably false and suggests a complete lack of familiarity with the relevant Code. This alone undermines the integrity of the entire decision.

4. Failure to Address the Land Status – No Relevant Land under PoFA
The appeal made it clear that the car park forms part of land historically subject to statutory control under Transport for London (TfL) byelaws. Such land is not relevant land for the purposes of PoFA and therefore keeper liability cannot arise.

The assessor completely ignored this point. POPLA cannot lawfully assume PoFA applies when the statutory status of the land has been questioned and left unresolved. Again, no attempt was made to examine this issue, even though it fundamentally impacts liability.

5. Lack of Accountability and Systemic Concerns
POPLA is widely recognised as operating without external oversight. It is not subject to regulation by any truly independent ombudsman or appeals mechanism. When a decision is plainly wrong, as in this case, there is no recourse or appeal – only this opaque internal “complaints process”, which never reverses a decision, even where an error is accepted.

Your assessor in this case has shown such a profound lack of understanding of both the legislation and evidence that their competence to make judicial-style decisions must be questioned. There is an urgent need for either retraining or removal from their role.

These systemic issues will, I believe, be addressed when the Private Parking (Code of Practice) Act 2019 is finally implemented and an independent appeals service replaces POPLA. When that happens, few outside the parking industry will mourn the loss of a body that has become synonymous with misjudgments, inconsistency, and a refusal to accept accountability.

I formally request the following:

• That this case is reviewed by a senior legal assessor or adjudicator not involved in the original decision;
• That a written response is provided addressing each of the above points and outlining what action will be taken to remedy this miscarriage of justice.

Should POPLA fail to acknowledge or rectify this defective decision, I will treat the matter as further evidence of POPLA’s structural unfitness to serve as an independent adjudicator and will ensure that this case is included in future submissions to Parliament and the Department for Transport regarding the need for urgent reform and replacement of POPLA under the Private Parking (Code of Practice) Act 2019.

Yours sincerely,

[Your Name]

[Your Contact Details]
[Date]
Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: Fal3 on July 30, 2025, 06:21:31 pm
POPLA appeal Decision
Unsuccessful

Assessor summary of operator case
The operator has issued the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) due to failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking season.

Assessor summary of your case
The appellant has provided a detailed account surrounding the parking event in question. For the purpose of my report, I have summarised the grounds raised into the points below. • The appellant stated that The NtK fails to comply with Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, paragraph 9 there is no landowner authority. • A detailed appeal was delivered by recorded post to Saba on 23 March 2025. Saba failed to respond with a rejection or provide a POPLA code within the time period, as required under Clause 8.4.1(b) and Annex C.1.1 of the PPSCoP. • The appellant stated the operator unlawfully escalated the charge on 22 April 2025 to debt collection while they appeal. The appellant has provided 1. Copy of the parking charge notice. 2. Copy of the landowner authority. 3. Copy of their appeal. 4. Response from operator. After reviewing the operator’s evidence, the appellant the appellant has raised other mitigation factors to the appeal that have not been previously raised and therefore will not be included in the appeal. All of the above has been considered in making my determination.

Assessor supporting rational for decision
When assessing an appeal POPLA considers if the operator has issued the parking charge notice correctly and if the driver has complied with the terms and conditions for the use of the car park. The operator has provided photographic evidence of the signage in place in the car park, which detail the terms and conditions of parking. The signs advise payment for parking must be made y 04:29 upon entering the carpark. The motorist is also advised that failure to comply with the terms and conditions will result in a PCN being issued for £100. As a member of the British Parking Association the operator is required to comply with the British Parking Association single code of practice. The operator has provided ANPR images of the vehicle entering the carpark at 08:45 and leaving the carpark at 17:15 to show the vehicle was on site for 2 hours and 11 minutes. The operator has also provided a site map and photos of all signage to demonstrate that clear terms and conditions are viewable to all users and the tariff charges for the duration of the users stay and how to pay for this. The appellant stated that The NtK fails to comply with Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, paragraph 9 there is no landowner authority. A copy of the Landowner Authority has been supplied by the operator and there is a valid contract for the operator to manage parking at this site including issuing Parking Charges for breaches of terms and conditions. This document is complaint with the British Parking Associate single code of practice Section 14. This document does show that the contract started on 10/01/23. The operator would therefore be authorised to manage parking and enforcement on this car park. The appellant stated A detailed appeal was delivered by recorded post to Saba on 23 March 2025. Saba failed to respond with a rejection or provide a POPLA code within the time period, as required under Annex C appeals. From reviewing this on the single code of practice it states that the Driver may appeal the parking charge in accordance with clause 8.4 however where a NTK or NTH has been issued in accordance with POFA, the keeper or hirer may appeal the parking charge if the driver has not previously been given the opportunity to appeal. Where no appeal is made within 28 days of the first notice then the right to appeal is lost subject to 8.4.1c. this give no timeframe of when the operator needs to reply to the appeal and therefore this factor will not be upheld. The appellant stated the operator unlawfully escalated the charge on 22 April 2025 to debt collection while they appeal. Unfortunately we have no control over the operator starting debt collection proceedings for an unpaid parking charge. POPLAs role is to see what the parking charge was issued and weather the breach of the terms and conditions had taken place and should be upheld. From reviewing the evidence the parking charge was issued as the appellant failed to pay for the duration of their stay. As the appellant was on site for 8 hours and 31 minutes and did not pay for parking, they have breached the terms and conditions and therefore the parking charge notice was issued correctly. POPLA’s role is to assess if the operator has issued the charge in accordance with the conditions of the contract. As the terms and conditions of the car park have not been met, as the appellant failed to pay for the duration of their stay, I conclude that the operator has issued the parking charge correctly, and the appeal is refused.


As far as I can see they haven't addressed all of the appeal, notably the fact that Saba wrongly named as the creditor and the land is under statutory control

I'm also not sure where they get 2 hours 11 minutes from part way down their conclusion

Is there anything I should now act on following this decision?

Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: b789 on June 27, 2025, 10:37:10 am
It's too late to submit additional evidence to POPLA. If the operator has not yet submitted their evidence for you to respond to, you could try and introduce this FoI information that basically confirms that TfL Byelaws have never been revoked and therefore the land is still under statutory control and therefore there can be no Keeper liability.

However, I wouldn't worry too much about POPLA if they do not cancel the PCN. Their decision is not binding on you and has no effect on anything going forwards. The FoI would be very useful if this were to ever go to court although the odds of that ever getting that far are slim to none, even a claim is issued.
Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: Fal3 on June 27, 2025, 09:59:36 am
Thanks b789. Following this information do I need to act on anything in advance of the POPLA decision?
Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: b789 on June 25, 2025, 05:41:24 pm
Finally received a reply to my complaint about the original fob-off response to the FoI and it is revealing, whilst attempting to obfuscate at the same time:

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Dear B789
 
I am contacting you in relation to your request for an internal review concerning the response provided to FOI-0703-2526. Following your email of 29 May a review has been carried out by an independent review panel (‘the panel’) consisting of individuals who were not involved in the handling of your request.
 
To confirm, your original request asked for the following -

Please confirm whether the North Greenwich Station Car Park (postcode SE10 0PH), currently managed by Saba Park Services UK Ltd on behalf of TTL Properties Limited, remains subject to the TfL Railway Byelaws 2011. If the site was ever subject to those byelaws and they have since been revoked or superseded, please provide details of the revocation or modification.

Following the response to FOI-0703-2526 your subsequent email of 29 May stated -

This is an evasive and legally inadequate answer that does not address the substance of the request. The question was not whether Saba UK chooses to enforce parking under PoFA, but whether the land itself at North Greenwich Station remains subject to TfL Railway Byelaws 2011, as made under the Greater London Authority Act 1999.

My request was specific and factual. It sought:

• Confirmation of whether byelaws currently apply to the land at SE10 0PH;
• If they do not apply, whether and when they were formally revoked or superseded, and by what legal or administrative mechanism.

Your answer did not provide this. It simply restated the operator’s current enforcement choice, which is legally irrelevant to the land’s status under PoFA 2012 Schedule 4.

For the record, unless and until TfL formally revokes its byelaws over a specific site, or unless the site is reclassified through a published legal instrument, that land remains subject to statutory control. A contractor’s self-declared reliance on civil enforcement does not alter the legal classification of the land.

I therefore request the following as part of this internal review:

1. A proper response confirming the legal status of the land, not the practices of the contractor;
2. Copies or references to any documents or orders showing revocation, disapplication or amendment of the TfL Railway Byelaws 2011 as they apply to North Greenwich Station Car Park;
3. An explanation of why my original question was not properly addressed.
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The panel have liaised with the appropriate subject matter experts and we have been unable to identify the specific information you seek in the contract that we hold with SABA UK. Additionally our legal team have liaised with SABA UK and they have also been unsuccessful in locating recorded confirmation of what you seek. Therefore on the balance of probabilities the panel agree that it’s likely the information is not held.  Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience that may have been caused.

With respect of the Byelaws the contract with SABA UK states the following -

- 21. Compliance with Policies and Law
21.1.2 shall provide the Services in compliance with and shall ensure that the Service Provider's Personnel comply with all requirements of all Acts of Parliament, statutory instruments, court orders, regulations, directives, European Community decisions (insofar as legally binding), bye-laws, treaties and other regulatory requirements relevant to either or both of the Service Provider's or the Authority's business, from time to time in force which are or may become applicable to the Services. The Service Provider shall promptly notify the Authority if the Service Provider is required to make any change to the Services for the purposes of complying with its obligations under this Clause 21.1.2;

SCHEDULE 9 – FORM OF COLLATERAL WARRANTY
1.3 shall comply with all the requirements of any Act of Parliament, Statutory Instrument or Order or any other regulation having the force of law or bye-law and all regulatory requirements relevant to the Subcontractor's business and/or the Authority's business from time to time in force which are or may become applicable to the Subcontract Services;
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The panel hope the above information provides satisfactory clarification, however if you are dissatisfied with the internal review actions to date please do not hesitate to contact me or alternately you can refer the matter to the independent authority responsible for enforcing the Freedom of Information Act, at the following address:
 
Information Commissioner’s Office
Wycliffe House
Water Lane
Wilmslow
Cheshire SK9 5AF
 
A complaint form is also available on the ICO’s website (www.ico.org.uk).
 
Yours sincerely
 
Emma Flint
Principal Information Access Adviser
FOI Case Management Team
Transport for London
foi@tfl.gov.uk

So, what does this mean? TfL has not explicitly confirmed that the land was ever subject to the TfL Railway Byelaws 2011 or otherwise under statutory control.

Their responses:

• Avoid the historical status of the land entirely;
• Only state that “Saba UK are not subject to TfL Byelaws” (an irrelevant point about the contractor's operations, not land classification);
• Admit they have no record of any revocation, disapplication, or amendment.

This means:

• They have not confirmed that the land was ever subject to byelaws;
• But also cannot show that the land is not subject to them now.

The legal consequence of that omission is that under public law and statutory interpretation, the principle is that Byelaws remain in force until formally revoked or superseded. So if the land was ever covered by TfL Railway Byelaws (as is likely for a car park attached to a TfL station), the absence of revocation supports the presumption that the land is still under statutory control.

Therefore, the burden lies with TfL to prove that the byelaws do not apply. TfL has no documentary record revoking the application of byelaws to North Greenwich Station Car Park.

TfL and SABA have no documentation revoking the Railway Byelaws or reclassifying the land. This supports the original position: byelaws remain in force unless explicitly revoked.

They do not state the land is “relevant land” under Schedule 4 of PoFA. They merely say that SABA enforces under PoFA contractually, which (as I pointed out) is not determinative of land status.

TfL cites general legal compliance clauses from its SABA contract (Clause 21.1.2 and Schedule 9) — but these do not answer the question of whether the land itself is legally subject to byelaws. They simply say that the contractor must obey laws in general.




So, in the absence of a formal statutory instrument, a TfL resolution repealing byelaws over the land or a reclassification of the site under Schedule 4 of PoFA, the legal presumption is that North Greenwich Station Car Park remains land under statutory control.

As such:

• SABA cannot rely on PoFA to hold the registered keeper liable;
• The NtK naming SABA as creditor is non-compliant with PoFA para. 9(2)(h);
• Continued pursuit of the keeper is a breach of both the Private Parking Single Code of Practice and DVLA’s KADOE contract;
• The ICO and BPA should now be formally notified of TfL’s admission and the implications of SABA continuing enforcement against the keeper.

I have responded to Ms Flint with the following:

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Re: Internal Review – FOI-0703-2526 – North Greenwich Station Car Park

Dear Ms Flint,

Thank you for your response to the internal review concerning FOI-0703-2526.

I note that the panel has not confirmed whether the land at North Greenwich Station Car Park (postcode SE10 0PH) was ever subject to the TfL Railway Byelaws 2011. However, given the car park is physically attached to a TfL-operated station, it is reasonable to presume that it was, at some stage, subject to statutory control. The fact that neither TfL nor its contractor holds any record of a formal revocation, disapplication, or legal modification of those byelaws strengthens the legal presumption that the land remains under statutory control.

The Freedom of Information Act requires a public authority to confirm or deny the existence of the requested information. The internal review outcome confirms that there is no record revoking or superseding the byelaws in relation to this land. That omission is highly significant: under settled legal principles, byelaws remain in force unless expressly repealed or amended by a competent authority.

In this context, your statement that “Saba UK are not subject to TfL Byelaws” is legally irrelevant. The issue is not whether SABA chooses to operate under PoFA, but whether the land itself is “relevant land” for the purposes of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. That is a statutory question which cannot be determined by contractor preference or enforcement style.

This raises a serious concern: SABA UK is currently enforcing parking charges against registered keepers under PoFA 2012, on land which appears to remain under statutory control. Additionally, the Notice to Keeper issued in this case identifies SABA Park Services UK Ltd as the creditor, despite SABA’s own authorisation document confirming that TTL Properties Ltd is the landowner and creditor. These errors suggest breaches of both PoFA and the DVLA’s KADOE contract.

Thank you again for confirming that no record of revocation is held. This correspondence will be submitted to the DVLA and the Information Commissioner’s Office as part of a formal complaint regarding unlawful data processing and improper use of the PoFA framework on land presumed to remain non-relevant for statutory purposes.

Yours sincerely,

B789
Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: Fal3 on June 23, 2025, 04:13:24 pm
Please ignore - I've managed to remove it myself, thanks
Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: DWMB2 on June 23, 2025, 04:09:24 pm
I've received a moderator report asking me to remove an unredacted attachment - can you advise which of the 6 documents you have uploaded you would like me to remove?
Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: b789 on June 23, 2025, 03:24:42 pm
Excellent rebuttal to their evidence and reinforces why the PCN is not valid.

It's just POPLA so, even if it is not successful, the decision is not binding on you and has no bearing on anything going forwards. If that is not successful, it will only highlight how useless POPLA is and why a real, fully regulated Code of Practice is long overdue. We already know how POPLA is unreliable.
Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: Fal3 on June 23, 2025, 02:58:14 pm
b789, finally draft Response to the operator’s evidence below, the attached word document is formatted:

Again, thanks in advance for any suggested amendments


NtK is Non-compliant
The NtK fails to comply with Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, paragraph 9(2)(h), because it wrongly names Saba Park Services UK Ltd as the creditor. However, the landowner (TTL Properties Ltd), as confirmed in the landowner authorisation provided by Saba, is the only party legally entitled to be the creditor.
I reiterate that Saba’s NtK is not PoFA compliant because it has failed specify a "period of parking" as required by paragraph 9(2)(a). A single observation of a stationary vehicle is not a "period of parking." Even if multiple photos show the same timestamp or a short sequence, that still does not constitute a proper period. The courts have made it clear that there must be evidence of actual parking activity over a meaningful interval. This was confirmed in Brennan v Premier Parking Solutions (2023) [H6DP632H], where the judge ruled that a single timestamp or momentary observation is not sufficient and therefore the creditor cannot rely on PoFA to hold the Keeper liable.
Saba have failed to give good reason why their NtK is compliant
Breach of Clause 8.4.1(b) and Annex C.1.1 of the PPSCoP.
A detailed appeal was delivered by recorded post to Saba on 23 March 2025. Proof of delivery is shown on pg6 of Saba’s evidence pack.  Saba failed to respond with a rejection or provide a POPLA code within the time period, as required under Clause 8.4.1(b) and Annex C.1.1 of the PPSCoP.
Saba have failed to address why they did not respond within 28 days. Pg7 of Saba’s evidence: On 04/04/25 We had an email from Jaime (email address appeals@paymyparkingcharge.com) stating our account was on hold for 7 days and then a further email on 21/05/25 from Jaime (different email address customerservices@zzps.co.uk) apologising that the “the account has progressed incorrectly”. We don’t require an apology for the breach of the PPSCoP from ZZPS, we require the cancellation of the NtK from Saba due to them not responding to the appeal within 28 days. The first response we had from Saba was dated 14/05/25 (pg18 of evidence) where they stated “they were not reviewing your correspondence as an appeal”. The PPSCoP makes clear that any correspondence raising issues about a PCN must be treated as an appeal or complaint, not ignored or arbitrarily diverted to a debt collector
A POPLA code was not received until 27/05/25 from the debt collector ZZPS instead of Saba. We have had no formal explanation of why no POPLA code was issued within the time limit.
Saba unlawfully escalated the charge on 22 April 2025 to debt collection (ZZPS) while the appeal process remained unresolved and without offering access to independent adjudication. Saba unlawfully transferred the charge on 19 May 2025 to enforcement agents (GCTT) while the appeal process remained unresolved.

Saba have failed to address why they unlawfully transferred the charge to debt recovery while the appeal process remained unresolved

Saba cannot rely on PoFA to pursue the registered keeper; only the driver could ever be liable (under contract law), and only if the land were not under statutory control (which it is).

Saba have failed to address this in their POPLA conclusion. Saba previously admitted in correspondence that no penalty has been issued under railway byelaws and that they are pursuing a contractual Parking Charge only. Therefore, this NtK may only be pursued against the driver, not the registered keeper. Saba were informed of this in my original appeal. This is land subject to statutory control and therefore PoFA does not apply. Saba have failed to engage with this point or to provide any legal justification for continuing to pursue a registered keeper on such land.

In their conclusion, Saba have stated “Mrs X instead has hyper focused on the technicalities surrounding the issuing of the Parking Charge, despite being given ample opportunity to provide a basis of appeal within the appeals process”

1. The appeals process was non-compliant for the reasons given above
2. The basis of appeal was given by Mrs X in appeal correspondence
3. In stating “hyper focusing on the technicalities” – by technicalities do Saba mean the terms and clauses of the PPSCoP and Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 under which Saba should legally adhere to?  If so I’m glad someone is “hyper focusing” on the terms
Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
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Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: Fal3 on June 23, 2025, 02:47:05 pm
b789

Saba did include a copy of their contract with the landowner in with the many files of their evidence pack although it doesn't appear to be referenced, I will now attach Appendix B which contains multiple TFL parking boundary maps, North Greenwich included. (Large files so posting in 3 parts)

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Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: Fal3 on June 23, 2025, 09:44:02 am
DVLA have now responded to the Step 2 complaint, please see attached

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Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: b789 on June 18, 2025, 01:25:05 pm
No response received to the request for the review of the FoI response given. I have asked for a follow up.

For the response to the operators evidence, go through everything you raised in the appeal that they either have not answered or answered incorrectly. Go through any points raised in their response that you can rebut.

I don't see a copy of their contract with the landowner in their evidence pack Whilst we may have seen something earlier, if it is not in their evidence pack, then they have not "evidenced" it to POPLA and therefore have not proved that they had a valid contract at the time of the alleged contravention.

You need to reiterate that their NtK is not PoFA compliant because it has failed specify a "period of parking" as required by paragraph 9(2)(a). A single observation of a stationary vehicle is not a "period of parking." Even if multiple photos show the same timestamp or a short sequence, that still does not constitute a proper period. The courts have made it clear that there must be evidence of actual parking activity over a meaningful interval. This was confirmed in Brennan v Premier Parking Solutions (2023) [H6DP632H], where the judge ruled that a single timestamp or momentary observation is not sufficient and therefore the creditor cannot rely on PoFA to hold the Keeper liable.

Put together a response and show it to us before you send anything. You have 7 days in which to respond. You can only use plain text and there is a 10,000 character limit so don't try and format anything. you will be copying and pasting the response into the POPLA webform.
Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: Fal3 on June 18, 2025, 11:03:18 am
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Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: Fal3 on June 18, 2025, 11:01:38 am
Please find attached Saba's evidence pack in response to the POPLA appeal (split in 3 parts as it's a large file size)

Points to highlight:

Saba have admitted replying to the appeal 2 months after it was received

On pg15 Saba have published a telephone number associated with our email address, as the email address is connected with payments on other unrelated dates - an assumption that the owner is responsible for the PCN in question

Did you receive any response to the second FOI?

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Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: b789 on May 29, 2025, 10:09:12 pm
Update: I had a response to my FoI request but they have failed to answer the question in a spectacular fashion. Their response, as you will see, is inadequate:

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Dear b789,

Our ref: FOI-0703-2526

Thank you for your request received by Transport for London (TfL) on 21 May 2025 asking for information about North Greenwich Station Car Park.

Your request has been considered under the requirements of the Freedom of Information Act 2000 and our information access policy.

I can confirm that we do hold the information you require. You asked:

Please confirm whether the North Greenwich Station Car Park (postcode SE10 0PH), currently managed by Saba Park Services UK Ltd on behalf of TTL Properties Limited, remains subject to the TfL Railway Byelaws 2011. If the site was ever subject to those byelaws and they have since been revoked or superseded, please provide details of the revocation or modification.

No, Saba UK are not subject to TfL Byelaws, as Saba UK operate under private land enforcement and under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.

If you are not satisfied with this response please see the attached information sheet for details of your right to appeal.

Yours sincerely,

 
Tahsin Prima

FOI Case Officer

General Counsel

I have responded with the following:

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Subject: Request for Internal Review – FOI-0703-2526 (North Greenwich Station Car Park)

Dear FOI Team,

I am writing to request an internal review of your response to my FOI request (reference FOI-0703-2526), regarding the status of North Greenwich Station Car Park and whether it remains subject to the TfL Railway Byelaws 2011.

Your response states:

No, Saba UK are not subject to TfL Byelaws, as Saba UK operate under private land enforcement and under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.

This is an evasive and legally inadequate answer that does not address the substance of the request. The question was not whether Saba UK chooses to enforce parking under PoFA, but whether the land itself at North Greenwich Station remains subject to TfL Railway Byelaws 2011, as made under the Greater London Authority Act 1999.

My request was specific and factual. It sought:

• Confirmation of whether byelaws currently apply to the land at SE10 0PH;

• If they do not apply, whether and when they were formally revoked or superseded, and by what legal or administrative mechanism.

Your answer did not provide this. It simply restated the operator’s current enforcement choice, which is legally irrelevantto the land’s status under PoFA 2012 Schedule 4.

For the record, unless and until TfL formally revokes its byelaws over a specific site, or unless the site is reclassified through a published legal instrument, that land remains subject to statutory control. A contractor’s self-declared reliance on civil enforcement does not alter the legal classification of the land.

I therefore request the following as part of this internal review:

• A proper response confirming the legal status of the land, not the practices of the contractor;

• Copies or references to any documents or orders showing revocation, disapplication or amendment of the TfL Railway Byelaws 2011 as they apply to North Greenwich Station Car Park;

• An explanation of why my original question was not properly addressed.

If you cannot provide evidence of revocation or reclassification, you must confirm that the land remains subject to the 2011 Byelaws.

Yours sincerely,

B789

However I expect further obfuscation as their “councel” tries to protect their agent, SABA, from the fact that the land is indeed still under byelaws and therefore not relevant for the purposes of PoFA.
Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: b789 on May 28, 2025, 06:17:44 pm
No. You put SABA to strict proof in your POPLA appeal.
Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: Fal3 on May 28, 2025, 06:08:46 pm
Excuse my ignorance - are you saying I should go back to Saba for strict proof that they have a valid contract before I make the POPLA appeal? If I provide the Landowner Consent with the POPLA appeal there may be a chance this document is superseded by a contract?

thanks
Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: b789 on May 28, 2025, 03:28:06 pm
GCTT is just another trading name for ZZPS. As previously advised, you can safely ignore them and you can shred their correspondence and use it as hamster bedding.

You should put SABA to strict proof that they have a valid contract flowing from the landowner that authorises them to operate and issue PCNs in their own name and also put them to strict proof that the signs at the location conform to the required standards of the BPA CoP.
Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: Fal3 on May 28, 2025, 03:22:10 pm
Thanks both, hopefully they're shot themselves in the foot

I've drafted the below to POPLA. I've not Indexed all previous correspondence with Saba or DVLA as I don't want to detract from the main point being false identification of the creditor.  Please let me know if I should.

We also now have a notice the case has been transferred to GCTT dated 19 May 25 attached (before the POPLA code was issued)



POPLA Appeal Submission

I write regarding POPLA Verification Code [  ] concerning Parking Charge To Registered Keeper Reference [  ] dated [   ]. The “NtK”. (Appendix A).

The NtK clearly states at the top:

Creditor: SABA PARK SERVICES UK LIMITED

This is legally significant because this is a breach of PoFA paragraph 9(2)(h):

“The notice must— (h) identify the creditor and specify how and to whom payment or notification to the creditor may be made.”

Here’s why this NtK fails:

• Saba Park Services UK Ltd is not the creditor in law.
• The landowner — TTL Properties Limited — is the actual creditor, as confirmed in their own authorisation document (Page 1 of Appendix D):

“The Landowner is the creditor for all notices of parking charge issued...”

This false identification of the creditor:

• Invalidates keeper liability under PoFA;
• Confirms the position in my original appeal that Saba cannot rely on PoFA to pursue the registered keeper;
• Reinforces the argument that only the driver could ever be liable (under contract law), and only if the land were not under statutory control (which it is).

Important evidence that they have not complied with PoFA:

The NtK fails to comply with Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, paragraph 9(2)(h), because it wrongly names Saba Park Services UK Ltd as the creditor. However, the landowner (TTL Properties Ltd), as confirmed in the landowner authorisation provided by Saba, is the only party legally entitled to be the creditor.

This renders the notice non-compliant and invalidates any keeper liability under PoFA.

Summary of further Breaches:

•A detailed appeal was delivered by recorded post to Saba on 23 March 2025. Saba failed to respond with a rejection or provide a POPLA code within the time period, as required under Clause 8.4.1(b) and Annex C.1.1 of the PPSCoP.
• Saba unlawfully escalated the charge on 22 April 2025 to debt collection (ZZPS) while the appeal process remained unresolved and without offering access to independent adjudication.
• Saba unlawfully transferred the charge on 19 May 2025 to enforcement agents (GCTT) while the appeal process remained unresolved.
• On 27 May 2025 ZZPS (Not Saba) issued a response to the original appeal which included a POPLA code

As Saba have unlawfully escalated the charge to GCTT we request an urgent decision to this appeal


[Name & Address]
[Vehicle registration]
[Parking Charge Reference ]
[Location: North Greenwich Main


Appendix

A – Saba Parking Charge to Registered Keeper 12/03/25
B – Non-compliant escalation to ZZPS 22/04/25 before appeal decision
C – Non-complaint escalation to GCTT 19/05/25 before independent appeal decision
D - TTL Properties Limited authorisation document provided by Saba 21/05/25


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Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: DWMB2 on May 27, 2025, 10:54:31 pm
So, in your POPLA appeal you can add this important piece of evidence that they have not complied with PoFA:

The NtK fails to comply with Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, paragraph 9(2)(h), because it wrongly names SABA Park Services UK Ltd as the creditor. However, the landowner (TTL Properties Ltd), as confirmed in the landowner authorisation provided by SABA, is the only party legally entitled to be the creditor.

This renders the notice non-compliant and invalidates any keeper liability under PoFA.

Hoisted by their own petard!
Seeing as you already have said landowner document, I would also include it as an appendix in your POPLA appeal, to pre-emptively shoot down any attempt by SABA to produce some sort of different document suggesting otherwise (I wouldn't put it past them). This also makes it easier to make your point - "As stated on page X of their agreement with the landowner (Appendix A)"- for example.
Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: b789 on May 27, 2025, 09:43:54 pm
The NtK clearly states at the top:

Creditor: SABA PARK SERVICES UK LIMITED

This is legally significant because this is a breach of PoFA paragraph 9(2)(h):

The notice must— (h) identify the creditor and specify how and to whom payment or notification to the creditor may be made.

Here’s why this NtK fails:

• Saba Park Services UK Ltd is not the creditor in law.
• The landowner — TTL Properties Limited — is the actual creditor, as confirmed in their own authorisation document:

The Landowner is the creditor for all notices of parking charge issued...

This false identification of the creditor:

• Invalidates keeper liability under PoFA;
• Confirms your position that Saba cannot rely on PoFA to pursue the registered keeper;
• Reinforces the argument that only the driver could ever be liable (under contract law), and only if the land were not under statutory control (which it is).

So, in your POPLA appeal you can add this important piece of evidence that they have not complied with PoFA:

The NtK fails to comply with Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, paragraph 9(2)(h), because it wrongly names SABA Park Services UK Ltd as the creditor. However, the landowner (TTL Properties Ltd), as confirmed in the landowner authorisation provided by SABA, is the only party legally entitled to be the creditor.

This renders the notice non-compliant and invalidates any keeper liability under PoFA.

Hoisted by their own petard!
Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: DWMB2 on May 27, 2025, 09:16:37 pm
The OP seems to have added the NtK as a downloadable PDF, rather than providing Imgur images as per the 'Read This First' post.

For ease, images below:

(https://i.imgur.com/5UxhJ1M.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bM4gzIr.jpeg)
Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: b789 on May 27, 2025, 08:58:40 pm
Have we ever seen the original Notice to Keeper (NtK)? I need to see that to determine who the creditor is in all of this.

The appeal response was sent on behalf of ZZPS Limited, trading as PayMyParkingCharge.com, from the Parking Admin Centre, Addlestone, Surrey.

Stated Client: “Our Client: SABA PARK SERVICES UK LIMITED”

This confirms ZZPS was acting on behalf of SABA, not TTL Properties Ltd.

We need to see the NtK to determine who the stated creditor is on that document. The appeal rejection implies that SABA is the creditor, which contradicts TTL's own authorisation letter that states TTL is the legal landowner and creditor

SABA later stated they were “not reviewing your correspondence as an appeal”, yet ZZPS, acting for SABA, sent this formal appeal rejection with a POPLA code. This is a clear contradiction and suggests a failure in appeal process governance.

A POPLA code was issued. However, it was issued by a debt collection agent, not by the operator directly, which may also breach the BPA's procedural requirements if not properly delegated.

So, please show us the original NtK (both sides).
Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: Fal3 on May 27, 2025, 05:41:39 pm
Please find redacted letter attached

This is the first time I've seen "paymyparkingcharge.com is a trading name for ZZPS Ltd"

Should anything be acted upon or await a response to the FOI request?


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Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: b789 on May 27, 2025, 05:13:38 pm
It matters not whether they know you read the file or not. ZZPS are not a party to any contract alleged breached by the driver. You have been advised to ignore them. They cannot do anything, no Katter what they threaten.

Have a look at what they sent you and then tell or show us, if you think it is relevant to anything.

I am waiting for a response to an FOI request to TfL which asked:

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Please confirm whether the North Greenwich Station Car Park (postcode SE10 0PH), currently managed by Saba Park Services UK Ltd on behalf of TTL Properties Limited, remains subject to the TfL Railway Byelaws 2011. If the site was ever subject to those byelaws and they have since been revoked or superseded, please provide details of the revocation or modification.
Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: Fal3 on May 27, 2025, 04:54:05 pm
b789, thanks for your advice it's appreciated

Could you please advise if I should respond to Saba's email above

Additionally, today we have received the below email from ZZPS which it titled IMPORTANT: Appeal Result - [Ref number]

The appeal was made by post to Saba and via paymyparkingchatrge.com per the appeals procedure on the original PCN

Aware you have stated to ignore ZZPS which we have done to date, does the same apply with this zip file attachment? I assume if we attempt to open it ZZPS will be notified that we have downloaded it



---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: DoNotReply <DoNotReply@zzps.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 27 May 2025
Subject: IMPORTANT: Appeal Result - [Case reference]
To:


Hello

Please find attached information in relation to your appeal.

The letter is attached in a zip file. In order to open the document you may first need to download the file.

In order to read the file you will need an appropriate PDF reader. You can download Abode Acrobat Reader from here: https://get.adobe.com/uk/reader/

The attachment contains sensitive data and is password protected; the password will be sent under separate cover.

PLEASE NOTE: If you are experiencing difficulties with accessing the attached file, please contact our offices on 01932 918916 for assistance from our team.

Regards

ZZPS Data Management Team
for and on behalf of ZZPS Limited
Bacchus House | 1 Station Road | Addlestone | Surrey | KT15 2AG
T: +4419 3291 8916
W: www.zzps.co.uk
W: www.PayMyParkingCharge.com




Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: Fal3 on May 21, 2025, 05:52:47 pm
Thank you, step 2 has gone to DVLA today as advised

Saba have now responded as follows;

Good Afternoon,


Thank you for your response and patience whilst this has been investigated further.


Upon review, I can see that an appeal was made to the PayMyParkingChage Team; we would advise reaching out to them to obtain the outcome to your appeal. You can contact PayMyParkingCharge by using the below details:


Email: customerservices@paymyparkingcharge.com

Telephone: 01932 918 098

Office Hours: 08:30-17:30

To reiterate, the land which you were parked is private land and is not subject to byelaws. We would advise referring to signage which does not contain any information relating to Railway Byelaws. To ensure transparency, I am attaching the Landowner Consent from Transport for London which confirms Saba's authority to issue Parking Charges under the British Parking Associations Code of Practice.


As you have reached the end of our internal complaints process, we are unable to provide any further response at this time. However, all correspondence will be logged under reference [XXXXXXXXXXXX]. If you wish to escalate your complaint further, we would advise contacting the British Parking Association to raise a formal complaint. Please quote reference [XXXXXXXXXXXX] within your complaint so that the team can review all correspondence with Saba thus far. You can raise a complaint by clicking here.


Thank you for taking your time to speak with us and raise your concerns.


Kind Regards

Name


– – – – – – –

Saba UK

www.sabaparking.co.uk/faq

0330 123 5247

Transport for London Payments please call 0330 400 7275


Note the original appeal was posted recorded delivery to Saba and then sent via the appeals procedure on PayMyParkingChage.com

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Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: b789 on May 21, 2025, 03:16:39 pm
Which bit about this was not understood?

Ignore ZZPS (and their follow up letters from GCTT). They are powerless debt collectors and can be safely ignored. Their only purpose is to try and make the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree pay up out of ignorance and fear.

As for the DVLA response, you now escalate to Step 2. It is exactly the same as step 1 but the link is now to the Head of Complaints.

Use the following as your webform text and attach the Supporting Statement as a PDF. The link for the step 2 complaint is:

https://contact.dvla.gov.uk/head-of-complaints

Webform text:

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I am requesting escalation to Step 2 of the DVLA complaints process.
My Step 1 complaint (submitted on 15 May 2025) concerned Saba Park Services UK Limited, a BPA AOS member, and their misuse of DVLA keeper data obtained via the KADOE system.

The Step 1 response (dated 20 May 2025) does not resolve my complaint and fails to address the core issue raised—namely, that the parking operator acted in breach of the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) after obtaining my data.

The DVLA's response merely recites the correct principle that the recipient of data becomes the Data Controller, but it fails to explain how the DVLA satisfies its own obligations as a Data Controller at the point of release and in overseeing compliance with the KADOE contract.

My complaint is not about Saba's initial request, but rather the subsequent unlawful use of my personal data in breach of their contractual and Code obligations—specifically, pursuing the Keeper despite PoFA not applying, failing to respond to an appeal, and passing data to a debt collector without offering independent appeal rights.

As this constitutes a breach of the KADOE contract and renders the use of my data unlawful, I request a full Step 2 review by the Head of Complaints. A supporting statement is attached.

For the supporting statement, use this:

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SUPPORTING STATEMENT – STEP 2 COMPLAINT

DVLA Complaint – Misuse of Keeper Data by Saba Park Services UK Limited

Operator name: Saba Park Services UK Limited
Date of PCN issue: [Insert Date]
Vehicle registration: [Insert VRM]

This is a Step 2 escalation of my formal complaint to the DVLA, concerning the misuse of my personal data by Saba Park Services UK Limited following their request through the KADOE system.

Although Saba may have had reasonable cause to request keeper data at the outset, their subsequent use of that data was unlawful due to multiple breaches of the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) and their KADOE contract obligations.

Summary of Breaches:

• The PCN was issued for a location—North Greenwich Station Car Park—which is not ‘relevant land’ under PoFA 2012, as it is owned by Transport for London. Therefore, keeper liability cannot arise.
• Saba issued a PCN under civil contract law, and never alleged a byelaws offence. The driver remains the only party liable, yet Saba continued to pursue me as Keeper despite my appeal clearly stating this.
• A detailed appeal was submitted on 19 March 2025. Saba failed to respond with a rejection or provide a POPLA code, as required under Clause 8.4.1(b) and Annex C.1.1 of the PPSCoP.
• Saba then unlawfully escalated the charge to debt collection (ZZPS) while the appeal process remained unresolved and without offering access to independent adjudication.

Why the DVLA remains responsible:

The DVLA's Step 1 response incorrectly implies that it holds no further responsibility after disclosing keeper data. However, the DVLA remains the Data Controller at the point of release, and the KADOE contract explicitly requires that data is only used for the purposes consistent with the Code of Practice.

For the avoidance of doubt, this complaint is not about whether Saba had reasonable cause initially, but about their misuse of my personal data in breach of the PPSCoP and KADOE conditions. Once Saba failed to follow the Code, their lawful basis for processing my data ceased to exist.

I therefore request that the DVLA:

• Investigate this matter fully at Step 2
• Confirm whether a breach of the KADOE contract has occurred
• Confirm what, if any, action has been or will be taken against Saba
• Provide a reference and response from the Head of Complaints

I am happy to provide further details if needed.

Name: [Insert Your Name]
Date: [Insert Date]
Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: Fal3 on May 21, 2025, 10:52:59 am
We've received the following apologetic email from customerservices@zzps.co.uk>, the person who sent the email coincidently has the same first name as the person who sent the response from appeals@paymyparkingcharge.com. My data appears to be freely available to any employees in Bacchus House, Addlestone, Surrey

From: Customer Services <customerservices@zzps.co.uk

Good Morning,

Thank you for your recent contact. We apologise that the account has progressed incorrectly, and we have removed the additional fees.

We have placed the account on hold for a further fourteen (14) days.

Please either provide the basis of your appeal and the reason why you feel the Parking Charge has been issued incorrectly or unfairly.

Alternatively,  please provide the full driver details so that we can provide them with the same opportunity.

Thank you,

[First Name Only]
[ZZPS contact details]


He doesn't state which 'additional fees' have been removed. I'd be more than happy to pay the original £15 ticket (which there was a genuine reason for non payment) however I don't believe that's what's being offered. Should I ignore this person from his @ZZPS address and await a response from Saba? Or refer him to my previous correspondence with Saba?

Also attached is the usual DVLA fob-off

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Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: b789 on May 16, 2025, 06:07:34 pm
When you receive the usual DVLA Step 1 complaint fob-off, come back and show us so that we can advise on escalation to Step 2.
Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: Fal3 on May 16, 2025, 11:51:53 am
Thank you, yes the DVLA complaint was raised and I have  a case reference number from them
Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: b789 on May 14, 2025, 06:56:25 pm
The response from Saba is legally flawed and confirms several clear breaches of the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP), their KADOE obligations, and misrepresentation of PoFA.

Here is a follow-up that you can send back to Saba’s complaints address, with the purpose of:

• Refuting their misstatements,
• Reasserting the absence of Keeper liability,
• Reinforcing that the DVLA complaint has already been filed,
• Documenting that no appeal rejection or POPLA code was issued, and
• Putting Saba on notice of their ongoing breach.

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Subject: Misuse of Keeper Data and Breach of Code – Further to Formal Complaint

Dear Sirs,

Further to your recent response to my formal complaint dated [insert date of your complaint email], I must place on record my serious concern regarding the continued misuse of my personal data and your ongoing breach of the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP), Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), and your DVLA KADOE obligations.

Your reply attempts to claim that you are entitled to pursue me as the registered keeper under PoFA, but that is plainly incorrect. You acknowledge that the site is owned by Transport for London, and even describe it as "the direct car park for the North Greenwich Station." As such, the land is not 'relevant land' for the purposes of Schedule 4 of PoFA, which excludes land subject to statutory control. There is no ambiguity here. This is not private land within the scope of PoFA and you are not entitled to invoke keeper liability.

Moreover, you admit that no penalty has been issued under railway byelaws and that you are pursuing a contractual Parking Charge only. Therefore, this PCN may only be pursued against the driver, not the registered keeper. You were informed of this in my original appeal dated 19 March 2025, and again when I declined your improper request to identify the driver. At no time have you issued a rejection or provided a POPLA code as required under:

• Clause 8.4.1(b) – requiring a response to appeals within 28 days,
• Annex C.1.1 – requiring access to the Appeals Service if the appeal is rejected.

Your failure to do so renders your escalation of the charge to ZZPS a further breach of the Code. The complaint to the DVLA Data Sharing Team has already been submitted and includes a supporting statement referencing your misuse of DVLA data. For the avoidance of doubt, that complaint relates not to your initial request, but to your continued unlawful processing and misuse of my keeper data in breach of the KADOE contract.

Your attempt to argue that there is no requirement to name the car park’s legal designation is a red herring. My appeal did not argue that your PCN was non-compliant for omitting a postcode; it clearly raised a jurisdictional issue — namely, that this is land subject to statutory control and therefore PoFA does not apply. You have failed to engage with this point or to provide any legal justification for continuing to pursue a registered keeper on such land.

You now claim you are "not reviewing [my] correspondence as an appeal," yet your earlier reply admitted to placing the charge on hold for seven days while requesting the driver's details. The PPSCoP makes clear that any correspondence raising issues about a PCN must be treated as an appeal or complaint — not ignored or arbitrarily diverted to a debt collector. There has been no lawful conclusion to the appeal process and no access to the appeals service has been offered.

I now require the following:

• Confirmation that the PCN is cancelled,
• Confirmation that ZZPS have been instructed to close the file,
• Written confirmation that my personal data is no longer being processed or shared in connection with this PCN,
• A formal explanation of why no POPLA code was ever issued.

If I do not receive a satisfactory response within 7 days, I will escalate this further to the BPA and pursue a complaint with the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO) concerning misuse of my personal data.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
[Your Address]
[Date]

Did you send the DVLA complaint?
Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: Fal3 on May 14, 2025, 06:39:17 pm
The complaint was made to Saba and DVLA

Saba have responded:

"Please note, your Parking Charge is currently held with ZZPS for debt recovery purposes. We are not reviewing your correspondence as an appeal, instead we are reviewing your correspondence and addressing any concerns which you may have.


To provide some context, Parking Operators are able to request details of the registered keeper from the DVLA when they believe a breach of the terms and conditions of parking has taken place. Under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), Saba are able to hold the registered keeper liable for any Parking Charges when the details of the driver are unknown. To transfer liability, Saba requires a full and serviceable address for the driver; this transfer can only be made within 28 days of the Parking Charge being issued.


Please be aware that the Parking Charge was issued to you as the registered keeper of the vehicle. Your vehicle was observed as being parked within the North Greenwich Station Car Park without having obtained a valid ticket or cashless parking session; this is a breach of the terms and conditions of parking as motorists are required to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session when entering the car park by using either the on-site payment machine or the PaybyPhone payment service. Motorists have the opportunity to pay for parking up until 04:29 on the morning after arrival to the car park; this provides ample opportunity for motorist's to make their payment for parking.


I appreciate that you stated that the term 'North Greenwich \ Main' can not be considered relevant land. The car park is labelled as North Greenwich because it is owned by Transport for London and is the direct car park for the North Greenwich Station. There is no requirement under PoFA to include the car park's address within the Parking Charge. Saba do not issue Penalty Notices under Railway Byelaws within the car park; instead, we issue Parking Charges which are done so under the latest Private Sector Code of Practice and relates to Contract Law rather than Criminal Law.


At the entrance, and throughout the car park, there is signage which advises motorists that they are parking on private land which is managed by Saba. When a motorist enters the car park they are provided with a consideration period; this time allows motorist's to read, understand, and agree to the terms and conditions of parking before the vehicle is deemed parked. Once a vehicle is deemed parked, it is subject to all the active terms and conditions and it is the motorist's responsibility to ensure that the vehicle is parked correctly. As per our terms and conditions of parking, motorists agree to make a payment for parking by 04:29 on the morning after arrival. The driver did not adhere to our terms and conditions so a Parking Charge was correctly issued.


As the case is currently with ZZPS for debt recovery, we would advise getting in touch with them directly to discuss the case further. You can contact ZZPS using the below details:"


I expect that their response is full of holes legally, not limited to 'Saba are able to hold the registered keeper liable for any Parking Charges when the details of the driver are unknown'.  They have still not responded to the original appeal.  I'll continue to ignore ZZPS as advised (they have sent a further letter). Should I respond to Saba's email that I consider the matter closed? And issue a complaint to the BPA?
Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: Fal3 on April 30, 2025, 02:45:23 pm
Thank you
Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: b789 on April 30, 2025, 01:36:29 pm
Ignore ZZPS (and their follow up letters from GCTT). They are powerless debt collectors and can be safely ignored. Their only purpose is to try and make the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree pay up out of ignorance and fear.

Send a formal complaint to SABA as follows:

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To: complaints@sabaparking.co.uk
Cc: dpo@sabaparking.co.uk
Subject: Formal Complaint: Failure to Respond to Appeal and Improper Escalation to ZZPS

Dear Sirs,

PCN Reference: [Insert PCN reference]
Date of Alleged Contravention: [Insert date]
Vehicle Registration: [Insert VRM]
Location: North Greenwich Main

I write to raise a formal complaint regarding your handling of my appeal against the above-referenced Parking Charge Notice (PCN), which was issued under civil contract law by Saba Park Services UK Ltd.

I am the registered keeper of the vehicle, and my written appeal was submitted by recorded post and delivered on 19th March 2025. It clearly stated that Saba Park Services UK Ltd cannot hold a registered keeper liable under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), because the site—North Greenwich Main—is not ‘relevant land’. This is land owned by Transport for London (TfL) and under statutory control.

Your response, sent via paymyparkingcharge.com on 2nd April, failed to address any of the substantive points raised in my original appeal. Instead, it merely requested the name and address of the driver and stated that the charge would be placed on hold for seven days. I responded to that request by referring you back to the original appeal, which had already set out the legal position clearly. Since then, you have provided no further reply, no decision on the appeal, and no POPLA code. This is in breach of Clause 8.4.1(b) and Annex C.1.1 of the Code, which require parking operators to respond to appeals within 28 days and to provide access to the Appeals Service upon rejection.

Instead of responding properly, the charge has now been escalated to ZZPS Limited, whose letter falsely implies enforceability based on ParkingEye v Beavis. That ruling is entirely irrelevant here. This PCN is issued under contract law, with no mention of any statutory enforcement mechanism, no reference to byelaws, and no indication of landowner authority to issue penalties. As such, the only party who could potentially be liable is the driver. The registered keeper has denied liability and has not been identified as the driver.

The continued pursuit of this PCN—despite your failure to respond to the appeal or provide access to independent adjudication—is unreasonable and in breach of the requirements imposed on all BPA members.

Accordingly, I require the following:

• Immediate written confirmation that the PCN has been cancelled;
• A full explanation for your failure to respond to the appeal or issue a POPLA code;
• Confirmation that ZZPS have been instructed to cease contact and close the file;
• Written confirmation that my data has not been further processed or misused.

If I do not receive a satisfactory reply within 14 days, I will escalate this complaint to the British Parking Association (BPA) in addition to the formal complaint to the DVLA that has now been submitted.

Yours faithfully,
[Your Full Name]
[Your Postal Address]
[Date]

You should also submit a complaint to the DVLA.

Here’s how to make a DVLA complaint:

• Go to: https://contact.dvla.gov.uk/complaints
• Select: “Making a complaint or compliment about the Vehicles service you have received”
• Enter your personal details, contact details, and vehicle details
• Use the text box to summarise your complaint or insert a covering note
• You will then be able to upload a file (up to 19.5 MB) — this can be your full complaint or supporting evidence
That’s it.

The DVLA is required to record, investigate and respond to every complaint about a private parking company. If everyone who encounters a breach took the time to submit a complaint, we might finally see the DVLA take meaningful action—whether that means curtailing or removing KADOE access altogether.

For the text part of the complaint the webform could use the following:

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I am submitting a formal complaint against Saba Park Services UK Limited, a BPA AOS member with DVLA KADOE access, for breaching the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) after obtaining my personal data.

While the Operator may have had reasonable cause at the time of their KADOE request, their subsequent misuse of my data—through conduct that contravenes the PPSCoP—renders that use unlawful. The PPSCoP forms an integral part of the DVLA’s governance framework for data access by private parking firms. Continued access is conditional on compliance.

The DVLA, as data controller, is obliged under UK GDPR and the Data Protection Act 2018 to investigate and take enforcement action when data is misused following release. This complaint is not about whether the data was obtained lawfully at the outset, but whether its subsequent use breached the terms under which it was provided.

I have prepared a supporting statement setting out the nature of the breach and the Operator’s actions, and I request a full investigation into this matter. I have attached the supporting document.

Please acknowledge receipt and confirm the reference number for this complaint.

Then you could upload the following as a PDF file for the formal complaint itself:

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SUPPORTING STATEMENT

Complaint to DVLA – Breach of KADOE Contract and PPSCoP

Operator name: Saba Park Services UK Limited
Date of PCN issue: [INSERT DATE]
Vehicle registration: [INSERT VRM]

I am submitting this complaint to report a misuse of my personal data by Saba Park Services UK Limited, who obtained my keeper details from the DVLA under the KADOE (Keeper At Date Of Event) contract.

Although the parking company may have had reasonable cause to request my data initially, the way they have used that data afterwards amounts to unlawful processing. This is because they have acted in breach of the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP), which is a mandatory requirement for access to DVLA keeper data. The PPSCoP forms part of the framework that regulates how parking companies must behave once they have received keeper data from the DVLA.

The KADOE contract makes clear that keeper data may only be used to pursue an unpaid parking charge in line with the Code of Practice. If a parking company fails to comply with the PPSCoP after receiving DVLA data, their use of that data becomes unlawful, as they are no longer using it for a permitted purpose.

In this case, Saba Park Services UK Limited has breached the PPSCoP in the following ways:

• They pursued a registered keeper despite the location (North Greenwich Main) not being ‘relevant land’ under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, meaning keeper liability cannot lawfully arise.
• They issued a PCN under civil contract law only, and never claimed any statutory basis (e.g. byelaws), therefore liability lies with the driver only, who was not identified.
• They failed to respond to a detailed appeal submitted by the Keeper on 19 March 2025. Instead, they sent a generic email asking for the driver’s details and placed the charge on hold for 7 days.
• The Keeper responded by referring them back to the original appeal, but no further response or appeal decision was issued, and no POPLA code was provided, breaching Clause 8.4.1(b) and Annex C.1.1 of the PPSCoP.
• Saba then unlawfully passed the Keeper’s data to ZZPS Ltd, a debt collection agency, while the appeal remained unresolved and access to independent adjudication had not been provided.

These are not minor or technical breaches. They show a clear disregard for the standards required under the current single Code. As a result, the operator is no longer entitled to use the keeper data they obtained from the DVLA, because the purpose for which it was provided (a fair and lawful pursuit of a charge under the Code) no longer applies.

The DVLA remains the Data Controller for the data it releases under KADOE, and is therefore responsible for ensuring that personal data is not misused by third parties. This includes taking action against AOS operators who breach the conditions under which the data was provided. For the avoidance of doubt, this complaint does not concern whether Saba Park Services UK Limited had reasonable cause at the point of requesting my data. Rather, it concerns their subsequent breach of the KADOE contract in the way that data was used, contrary to the requirements of the Private Parking Single Code of Practice. I am therefore asking the DVLA to investigate this breach and to take appropriate action under the terms of the KADOE contract.

This may include:

• Confirming that a breach has occurred
• Taking enforcement action against the operator
•Suspending or terminating their KADOE access if warranted

I have attached relevant supporting material with this statement. Please confirm receipt and provide a reference for this complaint. I am also happy to provide further information if required.

Name: [INSERT YOUR NAME]
Date: [INSERT DATE]
Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: Fal3 on April 30, 2025, 01:05:00 pm
b789,

My appeal was posted recorded, paymyparkingcharge.com responded by email 14 days later saying "Please be advised that we shall place the account on hold for seven (7) days. Please forward the drivers name and address so we may update liability". I asked them to refer to my original appeal letter.

I now have ZZPS (same postal address as Saba) chasing payment of their Parking Charge. On the front of their letter it boasts "A Supreme Court ruling, ParkingEye v Beavis, has confirmed that a Parking Charge issued on private land is enforceable"

As it is 8 weeks since my appeal was received by Saba, should I ignore ZZPS and write to Saba that we consider the matter closed as we have not had a response to the appeal?

Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: Fal3 on March 19, 2025, 04:20:17 pm
It's a PCN, attached to original message

They state on the PCN that if we do not provide the driver's details they can recover charges from the registered keeper under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012

That's helpful thanks, I'll adapt the airport appeal

They direct you to www.PayMyParkingCharge.com for the appeal which is owned by ZZPS Limited. I'll instead post the appeal to the Saba office to avoid the third party

Title: Re: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: b789 on March 19, 2025, 03:03:25 pm
Is the notice you received a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) or a fake Penalty Notice (PN) purporting to be for a breach of railway byelaws?

If the former, then you can use the same response as for airports, adapted as necessary. However, if it is a fake Penalty Notice (PN) then, no you can't use the airport appeal adapted as required.

So, which is it?
Title: Re: Split from Hijacked post: Saba - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: DWMB2 on March 19, 2025, 10:51:27 am
I have split this out from someone else's post that you hijacked.

Welcome to FTLA.

To help us provide the best advice, please read the following thread carefully and provide as much of the information it asks for as you are able to: READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide (https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/)
Title: North Greenwich Main - Saba - TFL - failing to obtain a valid ticket or cashless parking session
Post by: Fal3 on March 19, 2025, 10:49:29 am
I've drafted the following appeal, taken template from Gatwick. Do the same type of bylaws apply to North Greenwich Main due to the land ownership?


I am the registered keeper. Saba Park Services UK Limited cannot hold a registered keeper liable for any alleged contravention on land that is under statutory control. As a matter of fact and law, Saba Park Services UK Limited will be well aware that they cannot use the PoFA provisions because North Greenwich Main is not 'relevant land'.

If Transport for London wanted to hold owners or keepers liable under Railway bylaws, that would be within the landowner's gift and another matter entirely. However, not only is that not pleaded, it is also not legally possible because Saba Park Services UK Limited is not the landowner and your 'parking charge' is not and never attempts to be a penalty. It is created for Saba Park Services UK Limited’s own profit (as opposed to a bylaws penalty that goes to the public purse) and Saba Park Services UK Limited has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your Notice to Keeper can only hold the driver liable. I formally demand the immediate cancellation of the PCN due to proven payment and lack of Keeper liability and written confirmation within that the charge has been cancelled.

I expect written confirmation within 7 days that this matter is closed

END


As @b789 pointed out on the other thread he "examined the NtK, “North Greenwich Main” is land under statutory control covered by bylaws. The car park is owned by TfL and can be easily checked here:

https://tfl.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=5129c766255941d3be16a6828faa8f18

SABA are in breach of their ATAs BPA CoP by issuing a PCN stating that they have a right under PoFA to hold the keeper/hirer liable if they do not know the identity and address for service of the driver.

PoFA 3(1)(b) applies. 3(2)© applies."

Should I include that in my appeal?

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