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Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: John U.K. on June 12, 2025, 01:55:06 pm
THe other case number is 2250139149
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: mrmustard on June 12, 2025, 01:21:42 pm
Only one of them has, so far, been cancelled on the council portal despite the Appeals being allowed for both.
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: stamfordman on June 12, 2025, 01:14:51 pm
This is the case referencing both.

Two thoughts.

1. Lucky to get Ms Pearce.

2. Adjudicators can make recommendations to cancel (for parking PCNs not moving traffic) where they are obviously exasperated with the authority's lack of fairness but I haven't see one punted back like this before a decision, on compelling mitigation. Maybe this the way round the bar on recommendations for this type of PCN.   

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2250139262

Th Appeal of Penalty Charge Notice BZ81519314 was Heard by me on 29th May 2025, on which occasion I examined evidence adduced by the Enforcement Authority and considered representations made on behalf of the Appellant, which were ad idem with the Appeal of Penalty Charge Notice BZ81554290.

I made a finding of compelling mitigation in respect of both Penalty Charge Notices.

I therefore Adjourned the matter to afford the Enforcement Authority an opportunity of reconsidering the mitigating circumstances.

I am now in receipt of the Enforcement Authority's response and accept that the Enforcement Authority's indication that it is not proceeding further with Penalty Charge Notice
BZ81519314 includes Penalty Charge Notice BZ81554290.

Accordingly, this Appeal is Allowed.
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: mrmustard on June 12, 2025, 12:36:46 pm
Ms Pearce was the adjudicator, case 2250139149

This Appeal was initially Heard by me on 29th May 2025, on which occasion after examining the evidence adduced by the Enforcement Authority and considering the representations made on behalf of the Appellant, I made a finding of compelling mitigation.

I therefore Adjourned the matter to afford the Enforcement Authority an opportunity of reconsidering the mitigating circumstances.

I am now in receipt of the Enforcement Authority's response and accept the Enforcement Authority's indication that it is not proceeding further with Penalty Charge Notice BZ81519314.

Accordingly, this Appeal is Allowed.
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: habibm on June 12, 2025, 12:32:28 pm
Hello

So I’m writing to express my deepest gratitude for your support in helping me appeal my PCNs — and I’m thrilled to let you know that the authorities have now officially cancelled both PCNs

What makes this even more meaningful is the fact that you offered your help completely free of charge. Your generosity, dedication, and expertise made a stressful situation so much more manageable, and I can’t thank you enough for that.

Beyond the outcome, your commitment to helping others has truly inspired me. It’s rare to come across people who give their time and energy so selflessly, and your example has left a lasting impression on me.

Thank you again for everything you’ve done — not just for me, but for everyone you support. Please keep up the amazing work
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: habibm on May 22, 2025, 09:34:17 am
Thank you so much for checking. Is there anything else I  can do at this point?
Anything I need to prepare for the hearing please?

Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: Hippocrates on May 21, 2025, 09:31:40 pm
I have had a look. The cases should be able for all to access.

1, An apology from them in cases summary. No time to copy out at present.
2. Photos aren't that helpful in their evidence.
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: Hippocrates on May 17, 2025, 09:01:38 pm
Hi
I hope you’re all well
I received 2 evidence packs this morning. Could one of you kindly advise on what to do with these please?
Thank you
PM me the case number, verification code and VRM so I can take a look.
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: stamfordman on May 17, 2025, 06:59:51 pm
I've got a bad feeling about these PCNs as they are both contested and no recommendations can be given. The tribunal can't apply mitigation.

Anyway let's see the summary sections of both.
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: John U.K. on May 17, 2025, 03:44:57 pm
Somewhere in each pack should be a list of contents and also a summary (1-3 pages)  of why they think the adjudicator should reject your appeal: please post these up here.
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: habibm on May 17, 2025, 01:10:44 pm
Hi
I hope you’re all well
I received 2 evidence packs this morning. Could one of you kindly advise on what to do with these please?
Thank you
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: habibm on April 28, 2025, 07:19:42 pm
Yes they are being heard together. Ok I shall await the evidence packs
Thanks
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: stamfordman on April 28, 2025, 06:53:12 pm
There are two PCNs - are they being heard together?

You should a pack for each I think. If they contest that is.
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: habibm on April 28, 2025, 06:17:20 pm
When I received the PCN notice, I was able to view a video clip of the alleged offence. Is that considered the full extent of the evidence, or should I expect to receive additional evidence?
Apologies if my question seems basic.

Thank you for all your time and effort. Really appreciate each and everyone of you.
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: John U.K. on April 28, 2025, 06:03:57 pm
Hi
I haven’t received any Evidence Pack. Who should I expect to receive this from please?

Thank you


About a week before the hearing. Some Councils get them out early, others are 'last minute.com'.
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: Hippocrates on April 28, 2025, 05:54:17 pm
I may be wrong but the hearing is 29 May not April and so the evidence could well arrive in late May.
Sorry. You are correct. They usually e mail it.
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: mrmustard on April 28, 2025, 05:44:03 pm
I may be wrong but the hearing is 29 May not April and so the evidence could well arrive in late May.
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: Hippocrates on April 28, 2025, 05:41:22 pm
Hi
I haven’t received any Evidence Pack. Who should I expect to receive this from please?

Thank you
@hahibmNormally, they serve serve the evidence by post. They also do this by e mail.

If not received, you ask for an adjournment at the very least. You can also ask the Adjudicator to allow the appeal for both PCNs as no evidence served.

If you want my last minute help, please PM me as I can appear tomorrow for you by video.
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: habibm on April 28, 2025, 01:55:54 pm
Hi
I haven’t received any Evidence Pack. Who should I expect to receive this from please?

Thank you
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: stamfordman on April 26, 2025, 12:45:14 pm
Based on the legislation. It is included in the Appeals Regs 2022 but not the 1993 Parking Adjudicator Regs (SI 1993 no. 1202)

A generous adjudicator might still give a council a nudge when they think the situation is unfair.

I had assumed recommendations were independent of regulation and just frustration by adjudicators.
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: Hippocrates on April 26, 2025, 12:21:10 pm
Mr Stanton-Dunne did so in this case. 224038612A. They did not respond.
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: mrmustard on April 26, 2025, 12:09:51 pm
Based on the legislation. It is included in the Appeals Regs 2022 but not the 1993 Parking Adjudicator Regs (SI 1993 no. 1202)

A generous adjudicator might still give a council a nudge when they think the situation is unfair.
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: stamfordman on April 25, 2025, 05:30:02 pm
Seems I must amend the four choices to three - according to Mr Mustard, adjudicators can't make recommendations for moving traffic contraventions, only for parking contraventions. I don't know on what this is based.

https://lbbspending.blogspot.com/2025/04/a-cruel-world-in-barnet.html
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: John U.K. on April 25, 2025, 12:52:58 pm
@habibm

I was wondering if you have any updates? I see the tribunal is on 29th.May - have you received an Evidence Pack yet?
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: habibm on March 31, 2025, 07:06:55 pm
@stamfordman thank you for the thorough explanation of the possible outcomes. I really do hope that the council wont contest the PCNs.
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: H C Andersen on March 31, 2025, 07:05:05 pm
The wording on their website is ambiguous, but I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. But if I'm wrong and the authority issue PCNs willy-nilly but will accept reps from keepers accompanied by a letter from the school then IMO this is disgraceful.

The school and the council MUST co-ordinate, it's not up to keepers. FFS, the keepers might not even be parents and might not even be in the loop.
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: habibm on March 31, 2025, 06:53:01 pm
Good evening,
The following is my reply to the school request
https://i.imgur.com/VeAYaK1.jpeg

With regards to school putting my car on exempt list, they have never mentioned an exempt list existed to me even though I raised this issue in one of the meetings in the past.
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: stamfordman on March 31, 2025, 02:54:13 pm
I said earlier there are four possibilities and you should be hopeful of no 1 as authorities don't contest a lot of PCNs.

What Mr Andersen is referring to is no 4, where the tribunal refuses the appeal but makes a recommendation to the authority (such as to cancel owing to strong mitigating circumstances that they think the authority should have cancelled on before this stage).

I can't find the traffic order but if they contest it should be in the evidence pack and you can ask the adjudicator to check how the blue badge exemption works.

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1. B&D doesn't contest - a reasonable chance if the appeal is focused and includes their failure to say an exemption is available.
2. The tribunal allows the appeals - very unlikely as can't use mitigation, assuming all is OK with traffic order. There may be something though in the rejection as per 1.
3. The tribunal just refuses the appeals.
4. The tribunal refuses but the adjudicator makes a recommendation to B&D to cancel them - a reasonable chance.
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: H C Andersen on March 31, 2025, 01:42:50 pm
OP, the adjudicator cannot exercise discretion, this lies with the council. However, they may refer a refused appeal back to the authority with a request to reconsider the matter.

PCN - early morning pick-up.
Where is your reply to their email requesting that you or your child's father accompany them on the trip? As I understand it, your argument would be that you expected the school to put your car on their exempt list and notify the council accordingly.

PCN - Parents' evening. By your own admission you simply forgot the time. Discretion is all you've got IMO.

For both, the fact that you were entitled to an exemption in any event. But IMO you need to accept that this goes to mitigation only and is not a defence, this would be that you held one at the time, but you didn't. But this would be a powerful reason for the adjudicator to refer the matter back to the authority with a recommendation to cancel. NB. councils have limited time in which to respond- 35 days I think- failing which they're deemed to have accepted the recommendation and the PCN(s) would be cancelled.
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: John U.K. on March 31, 2025, 01:20:53 pm
We are still waiting for the photograph of the sign you passed. The reason for this is if carries a plate saying

Term Time most adjudicators do not like this sign, as how does a driver know when term-time is?

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I have noted that down. I wonder if I  can add that information at this point? If not, I guess I can mention on the day of tribunal.

You have plenty of time to submit a comprehensive supplementary sheet before the hearing, rather than dribs and drabs over the intervening time. Aim to have something ready to put in say a fortnight before the hearing.
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: habibm on March 31, 2025, 11:30:19 am
I have noted that down. I wonder if I  can add that information at this point? If not, I guess I can mention on the day of tribunal.
Much appreciated thank you
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: stamfordman on March 31, 2025, 10:49:16 am
I would say you can be more challenging and say the council's rejection did not mention the exemption, which you only discovered after checking its website, and the council has granted the exemption after you applied.
I think the council failed in its duty to inform you of this when considering your reps and it's possible the contravention did not in any case occur, depending on how the traffic order is worded for blue badge holders.
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: habibm on March 31, 2025, 08:18:09 am
Thank you for your reply and guidance

-I wrote the following and just changed the facts for the second PCN,

On 26th February, I was specifically asked by my son’s school to accompany him on a school trip due to his additional needs and recent episodes of dysregulation. He is a blue badge holder. I have provided a copy of the school’s email request as evidence. Normally, my son goes to school by a transport provided by Barking and Dagenham Council. However, I am not permitted to travel with him on this transport so the only way I could comply with the school’s request was to drive him myself.
In the notice of rejection, Barking and Dagenham stated that “Blue Badge holders or those carrying a Blue Badge holder as a passenger are not permitted to drive in this area during the hours of operation.” However, upon reviewing the School Street policies on the Barking and Dagenham Council website, I discovered that Blue Badge holders can, in fact, apply for an exemption under Exemption Four – Blue Badge Holders. This exemption allows access to the school for drop-off or collection during operational hours, provided an application is made (as outlined at https://www.lbbd.gov.uk/school- streets/school-street-exemptions and in the Exemption Policy document at https://www.lbbd.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2023- 08/10082023_Exemption%20Policy%20update_website.pdf).
When the restrictions were first introduced, I emailed the council my concerns. I didn’t know there were exemptions and at the time of the incident, I was unaware that such an exemption needed to be formally applied for in advance. I have ended up with 2 PCN as a result. I deeply regret this oversight and have since submitted an application for the exemption, which is currently awaiting a decision from the council. I do not normally drive to the school—Barking and Dagenham provide transport for my son—but on this occasion, it was unavoidable due to the nature of the event and his specific needs.

-I also attached a copy of the exemption approval email.

Thank you 🙏
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: John U.K. on March 30, 2025, 10:15:43 am
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When I registered for the tribunal, yes I did write in the space.

I hope your son is better now.

Please post a copy of whay you wrote to the tribunal, or yopur best remembrance if you did not keep a copy.

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I am sorry I havent had a chance to drive to Alibon road to get the pictures as my son has since been ill and hasn’t been to school.
But I will send these as soon as I get a chance.


Don't send them to the tribunal (yet), but post them here for copmment.

As I wrote earlier (Reply # 24)  we are trying to gather all the relevant facts, and then we can put them together to make the best posstible case for you.
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: habibm on March 26, 2025, 11:18:41 am
Good morning
Apologies for late reply.

My request for exemption has been approved

https://i.imgur.com/K8CrB2p.jpeg

- tribunal letter

https://i.imgur.com/xt8oPPj.jpeg

When I registered for the tribunal, yes I did write in the space.

I am sorry I havent had a chance to drive to Alibon road to get the pictures as my son has since been ill and hasn’t been to school.
But I will send these as soon as I get a chance.

Thank you
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: John U.K. on March 21, 2025, 08:33:19 am
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Is it worth sending this email to tribunal?

At the moment, we are trying to do two things:

1) Ensure you have everything in order to gain the exemption. Please confirm you have applied for thjis and given LBBD the supporting evidence -- copies of blue badge and a letter from school.

2) Helping you prepare the the best possible case for the tribunal,  which means asking you what may seem a lot of questions, and then marshalling the answers together to submit to the Tribunal in one go.. So, more questions, I'm afraid . . .

A) Please post the photos of the signs and the letter from the Tribunal I asked for in Reply #16 above.

B) When you registered yr appeal with the Tribunal, did you write anything in the space for your case?

C ) That e-mail from the school will form part of your case aginst one of the PCNs, so it will form part of your case. So don't send it off yet.

D) Are you likely to get a further PCN for going to pick up your son on Monday (post Reply#5 above) ?


Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: habibm on March 21, 2025, 06:16:07 am
Good morning
Yes I did reply to confirm that I will accompany my child. Do you think I should include my reply to the tribunal?

Also, I have found an email about the meeting on the 13th Feb. The meeting was at 4.10pm. I had asked for a report of the assessment and the school mentioned that they will discuss in the meeting.
Is it worth sending this email to tribunal?

Thank you
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: H C Andersen on March 20, 2025, 11:28:19 pm
Thanks.

But after receiving this email what did you do e.g. reply and say yes you would or what? Surely a positive response to the school would have triggered a firm arrangement and include a time?
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: habibm on March 20, 2025, 03:50:42 pm
Hi
Here is the email request from the school

https://imgur.com/a/m5PxU6s

Thanks
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: H C Andersen on March 20, 2025, 03:00:32 pm
As per stamfordman's post:
Where the School required a motorist without a permit to
attend the School during the restricted hours (Letter from
School required to support this).

OP, I asked you in an earlier post for the note/letter/email which the school sent to you asking you to accompany him on the trip, and by implication to take him to school.

Do you have this?

Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: stamfordman on March 20, 2025, 01:36:24 pm
I think the best outcome here is if the council doesn't contest. Also if they soon grant you the exemption that will be a good point to add in the appeal which may encourage them to not contest.
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: John U.K. on March 20, 2025, 01:35:12 pm
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I will send you the pictures and the tribunal letter together.

Please post them here - redact yr name & address from the letter.

Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: habibm on March 20, 2025, 01:20:16 pm
Hi John
I have had a look at the map. I think the access point I gave you previously was wrong. This is the right one

https://maps.app.goo.gl/MVr8FBBzxDqkVnceA

I came from a road called Heathway and turned left into Alibon Road.

I will drive to the area tomorrow and take pictures. I will send you the pictures and the tribunal letter together.

I have also just received an email from the exemption team requesting proof that my child attends Hunters Hall primary School.

Thank you again
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: John U.K. on March 20, 2025, 12:37:57 pm
It's not a court, it's a tribunal, and personal hearings are now by video-link or telephone.
Please show us the letter you should have received from the Tribunal with the date of your hearing.

I am assuming that you entered the schhol street at this point
https://maps.app.goo.gl/MZDGgE24XTUfvn9M6

and I presume that the signs in GSV have been replaced by some school street signs.

Please can you take a photograph of the actual signs you passed?

Why is this important?

Because, looking through the LBBD document that Stamfordman found I noticed this:

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Access restrictions do not apply to residents living inside a School Street and the schemes only operate
on weekdays, during term-time. Click the link below for school term dates:
School term dates and planned closures | London Borough of Barking and Dagenham (lbbd.gov.uk).

Your photographs will show us how LBBD conveyed to a driver that the restrictions were in force on the day and time in question.

Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: habibm on March 20, 2025, 11:44:33 am
Good morning
So I took both PCNs to tribunal. We have got a court hearing on the 29th of May. Never been to a court hearing before. Will see how it goes.

I thank you all for your support and guidance. Means a lot!
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: John U.K. on March 20, 2025, 11:40:31 am
I by chance stumbled across this from
https://www.havering.gov.uk/downloads/file/96/policy-for-enforcing-or-cancelling-a-pcn


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MC47 – Where the motorist enters a School Street Zone
MAY ACCEPT REPRESENTATIONS
 Where the motorists holds a valid School Streets Access
Permit
Where the School required a motorist without a permit to
attend the School during the restricted hours (Letter from
School required to support this).

 Is an Emergency Service or Public Service Vehicle.
 Has a valid Health & Homecare Permit
 Hackney Carriage, School Transport Vehicle, Dial a Ride
and other specialist transport services.
 Marked Delivery vans eg Royal Mail, UPS, DPD.
MAY REJECT REPRESENTATIONS
 In all other circumstances

N.B. This is from the L.B. of Havering. Try as I might, I cannot find a similar policy document for the L.B. of Barking & Dagenham, but they should have one.

It might be worth making a passing reference to this in any reps.



Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: habibm on March 18, 2025, 04:07:16 pm
Hi
Thank you for the reply. For the parents evening, i didn’t even check the time.  I thought the restrictions had ceased. I could have waited another 7 minutes. I had a long day at work. I had spent the whole week attending meetings with different professionals due to my son’s challenging behaviour. I was just so tired.

Perhaps I will have to find some money and pay that one. I will appeal the the second PCN and use your guide and make it more focused.

I don’t have another PCN. It’s just those 2.

I have also applied for the exemption.  Will keep you posted of any updates

Thank you again
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: H C Andersen on March 18, 2025, 10:14:52 am
OP, without wishing to appear callous, far from it, you need to deal with each PCN on its own facts pl. A generic 'your son has problems' won't win the day as the responses from the authority show.

PCN ****9314 13 Feb.
I don't know why you needed to enter the zone 7 minutes before the restriction ended (15.53 and 16.00 respectively) to attend a Parents' Evening. You'll need to explain in more detail pl.



PCN  *****4290 26 Feb.
On ***, I was asked (in writing?) by the school to accompany my son on a school trip which had been organised by them. On normal school days he is collected from our house by transport organised by (presumably) Barking and Dagenham council. However, I am not allowed to travel with him and therefore the only way that I could meet the school's request was to take him to school myself on that day. Is this where we start for this PCN??

You also have another PCN, dated March, within this thread.
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: habibm on March 17, 2025, 07:54:22 pm
Thanks. It is rather buried considering how many schools there are both in Alibon and the vicinity.

But IMO it's essential to get these details within posts. So OP, to be clear your child attends Hunters Hall Primary School?


I thank you all for the replies. Yes my son attends Hunter Hall primary school.  It is on Alibon road and restriction is on the whole road. 

And Yes wantz road is not too far but it’s hard to find parking nearby.  The main issue is, when he is dysregulated, my son can’t control his emotions. He becomes distressed and anxious. He would lash out at anyone near him and would refuse to walk. So I have to be as close to where he is as possible.
I never drive to the school because local authority provides his transport.  I don’t live near this area. It’s only become an issue recently but it seems to be an ongoing one.
Could someone please help me to kindly draft the more focused appeal. I don’t want to mess up this chance.
I am ever so grateful for all your time and effort.
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: stamfordman on March 17, 2025, 06:42:30 pm
If the OP takes the PCNs to the tribunal there are four possibilities.

1. B&D doesn't contest - a reasonable chance if the appeal is focused and includes their failure to say an exemption is available.
2. The tribunal allows the appeals - very unlikely as can't use mitigation, assuming all is OK with traffic order. There may be something though in the rejection as per 1.
3. The tribunal just refuses the appeals.
4. The tribunal refuses but the adjudicator makes a recommendation to B&D to cancel them - a reasonable chance.
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: H C Andersen on March 17, 2025, 06:11:16 pm
Thanks. It is rather buried considering how many schools there are both in Alibon and the vicinity.

But IMO it's essential to get these details within posts. So OP, to be clear your child attends Hunters Hall Primary School?

From their Parent and Carers' booklet:

We are part of a safer school streets parking area so please
be aware that turning into Rockwell Road and Alibon Road
between 8:00am and 9:15am and again between 2:45pm
and 4:00pm is not permitted. Fines are issued by the local
authority.


IMO, as regards the PCNs we can see I think you need to shorten your narrative so that only the essentials are presented. For example, if you have been requested to attend a Parents' evening by the school then you need to present something from them regarding why you would need to enter the zone at what was only 7 minutes before the restrictions ended. Similarly for the morning. I think any appeal would be more focused as a result.
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: stamfordman on March 17, 2025, 05:36:17 pm
Whereas, in Alibon Road (between Hunters Hall Road and Wantz) there is access to a B&D school - Hunters Hall primary.

This is the school concerned in the OP's reps for one of the PCNs.

A blue badge is an exemption but it has to be applied for so I'd say their rejection is wrong in not saying that and in considering discretion.

https://www.lbbd.gov.uk/school-streets/school-street-exemptions

https://www.lbbd.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2023-08/10082023_Exemption%20Policy%20update_website.pdf

Exemption Four – Blue Badge Holders
Blue Badge holders that require access to a property inside a School Street (including those dropping
off or collecting from the school) during the hours of operation can apply for an exemption.
Further Notes on Exemption Four
• Schools may be required to confirm the status of parents or students who are included in an
exemption application
• If you fail to provide the correct proof/supporting evidence with your application, it will be rejected
• All other applications will be considered on a case-by-case basis
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: H C Andersen on March 17, 2025, 05:14:11 pm
OP, from what I can make out from Google Street maps, the school concerned is accessed from Wantz Road. It also appears to be an Academy.

Whereas, in Alibon Road (between Hunters Hall Road and Wantz) there is access to a B&D school - Hunters Hall primary.

Wantz (and therefore your child's school) can be accessed other than along Alibon Road.

Before you go too far with accumulating additional PCNs, we need to be clear that in order to access your child's school you must enter the Schools Street zone. Not just that it's more convenient, but that you must in order to access the school.

Hunters Hall Primary School

SS11

Alibon Rd - between Hunters Hall Road  and Wantz Road


Your child's school is not listed as being within B&D's School Streets scheme.

https://www.lbbd.gov.uk/school-streets/where-are-school-streets
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: stamfordman on March 17, 2025, 05:07:10 pm
If your son can walk you need to park outside the school street. These streets aren't usually very long. If there are no pay bays you can challenge tickets on assisted boarding/alighting.
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: John U.K. on March 17, 2025, 04:12:31 pm
@habibm

I have become aware of your PM (which I have taken the liberty of copying below) but I suspect too late to give advice for today. All I can suggest is that
1) You ask the school to hold on to the pupil until the School Zone restriction ends.(What time is this - you haven't said so far.)
 OR
2)  ask the school to drive him to meet you at the edge of the zone.
In any case, you need to have an urgent meeting with the head at the school to discuss a way forward..
and possibly your owb local ward councillor(s).

Have you had rejections of all your reps for each PCN so far?

-------

To our experts,

I received the following plea as a PM today, and confess to being somewhat out of my depth in responding to a no doubt unforeseen consequence of introducing a school zone. Is this emergency action by the OP covered by any sort of exemption or is it just mitigation?

Can anyone give further advice, please.


Quote
2:51pm I am really desperate. The school have just called me again to come and pick my son because he is dysregulated. The pedestrian zone restriction time has started. What do I do? I can’t park too far away.
Am scared of getting another ticket as I won’t be able to afford them. Do I stand any chance of winning an appeal on my PCN?

Thank you
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: habibm on March 15, 2025, 01:54:21 pm
I have added the remaining documents.  Thank you 😊
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: John U.K. on March 15, 2025, 11:34:53 am
(https://i.imgur.com/oGmYWgm.jpeg)

Re your PM: So far, so good.

For meaningful advice you now need to post up
here
all sides of the 1st PCN (only redact yr name & address) and the 1st page of the second PCNs,
copies ofany Council photos/ video,
and
of what you wrote to the Council and the rest of the rejection..
Title: Barking & Dagenham PCN 53j-Pedestrian Zone, Alibon Road,Dagenham-Appeal rejected. Please help
Post by: habibm on March 15, 2025, 11:04:03 am
Dear all
I would really appreciate any advice or support you can offer. I have recently received two PCN 53j fines for entering a pedestrian street, but I had unavoidable reasons for doing so.

My 9 year old son has additional needs and attends a school located in a restricted school street.  This school isn't local to us.  The local authority provides transport for my son.  Lately, he has been highly dysregulated and has even faced suspensions.  When he experiences a meltdown, the school struggles to manage and calls us at short notice to collect him immediately.

Due to these challenges, the school requested that we accompany him on a trip, which meant we had to drive into the restricted street to park near the school.  He has a blue badge, and given his needs, parking further away was not a realistic option.

Two weeks later, he had parents evening at the school, and once again, we had no choice but to enter the restricted street to park as close as possible.

I appealed both PCNs, explaining the circumstances, but my appeal was rejected. I find this incredibly unfair. Parents with children with additional needs do not choose these challenges, and while we do our best to follow the rules, sometimes we simply have no other option.  Dragging an already dysregulated child to another street is not feasible.

If there is anything I can do to challenge this further, I would be truly grateful for your guidance.

Thanking you in advance for any advice or support.

(https://imgur.com/a/PAfKfhp)

https://maps.app.goo.gl/fwpHRLVfS1Qsuw4Z6

https://imgur.com/a/PAfKfhp

I have attached the remaining documents.  Sorry am not great with technology

https://i.imgur.com/Ul4LUzb.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/0CMrCpR.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/XF0o7f4.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/Zaur9Al.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/sxOJlS3.jpeg
Title: Re: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: John U.K. on March 12, 2025, 08:19:22 pm
For meaningful advice please to have a read of
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

and post up here all sides of the 1st PCN (only redact yr name & address) and the 1st page of the remaining PCN,
any Council photos/ video,
copies of yr reps and of the Council replies,
and
a GSV link to the location.
Title: PCN 53j given because i had to pick my son with additional needs!
Post by: habibm on March 12, 2025, 07:52:34 pm
Dear all
I would really appreciate any advice or support you can offer. I have recently received two PCN 53j fines for entering a pedestrian street, but I had unavoidable reasons for doing so.

My 9 year old son has additional needs and attends a school located in a restricted school street.  This school isn't local to us.  The local authority provides transport for my son.  Lately, he has been highly dysregulated and has even faced suspensions.  When he experiences a meltdown, the school struggles to manage and calls us at short notice to collect him immediately.

Due to these challenges, the school requested that we accompany him on a trip, which meant we had to drive into the restricted street to park near the school.  He has a blue badge, and given his needs, parking further away was not a realistic option.

Two weeks later, he had parents evening at the school, and once again, we had no choice but to enter the restricted street to park as close as possible.

I appealed both PCNs, explaining the circumstances, but my appeal was rejected. I find this incredibly unfair. Parents with children with additional needs do not choose these challenges, and while we do our best to follow the rules, sometimes we simply have no other option.  Dragging an already dysregulated child to another street is not feasible.

If there is anything I can do to challenge this further, I would be truly grateful for your guidance.

Thanking you in advance for any advice or support.