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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: stomp84 on March 12, 2025, 06:23:56 pm

Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: b789 on July 23, 2025, 08:10:44 pm
Luckily, a POPLA decision is not binding on you. This is a breakdown of the assessor’s mistakes in your POPLA decision. These aren’t just oversights — they’re fundamental failures to apply the law and logic correctly and evidence of why POPLA is not fit for purpose:

1. Location Description (PoFA 9(2)(a))

Mistake: The assessor claimed that because Arundel Road is included in the NtK, the location is sufficiently identified.

Why it’s wrong: PoFA requires a specific location, not a vague cluster of roads or a general postcode. UB8 2RZ covers multiple roads, and the operator themselves said the incident occurred at UB8 2RP — a completely different postcode. That’s a factual error in the NtK, and the assessor ignored it.

2. Period of Parking / 44 Seconds

Mistake: The assessor said that because the vehicle was “observed parked”, a contract was breached.

Why it’s wrong: The Code of Practice mandates a minimum five-minute consideration period. The operator’s own evidence shows the vehicle was there for just 44 seconds. That’s not enough time to read, understand, and accept any terms. The assessor completely ignored this and assumed a contract existed just because a PCN was issued. That’s circular logic and legally absurd.

3. Prohibitory Signage

Mistake: The assessor said the signage was clear and sufficient.

Why it’s wrong: Clarity is irrelevant if the signage is prohibitory. “No parking, waiting, loading or unloading” is not an offer — it’s a prohibition. You cited PCM v Bull (2016), which confirms that prohibitory signs cannot form a contract. The assessor didn’t even acknowledge the case law, let alone apply it.

4. Creditor Identification (PoFA 9(2)(h))

Mistake: The assessor said the operator identified themselves and gave payment details, so PoFA was satisfied.

Why it’s wrong: PoFA requires the creditor to be clearly named in the body of the notice. Using “we” is legally meaningless. The assessor conflated branding or letterhead with statutory compliance. That’s a basic failure to understand the legal requirement.

5. Landowner Authority

Mistake: The assessor accepted the landowner agreement without question.

Why it’s wrong: The agreement was riddled with defects — no proof that Trade Sales owns the land, no site map, no named signatory, and a reference to a non-existent “British Association”. The assessor ignored all of this and blindly accepted the document. That’s not adjudication — it’s rubber-stamping.

6. Keeper Liability

Mistake: The assessor said the NtK warned the keeper, so liability transferred.

Why it’s wrong: PoFA requires full compliance with all conditions before liability can transfer. You showed multiple breaches — vague location, failure to name the creditor, no valid contract. The assessor cherry-picked one clause and ignored the rest. That’s a complete misapplication of the law.

Summary

Lisa Lea didn’t adjudicate — she glossed over every substantive point and gave a boilerplate response. She ignored statutory requirements, misapplied case law, and failed to engage with the operator’s own contradictory evidence. Her decision is legally defective and factually lazy.

This would never stand up in court. However, you now have to weather the useless debt recovery letters. You can safely ignore all debt collectors. The only power they have is to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear.

Come back when you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC).

In the meantime you can make a formal complaint to POPLA about the utter incompetence of Lisa Lea. I suggest you copy and paste the following into the complaint webform here: https://www.popla.co.uk/contact

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Subject: Formal Complaint – POPLA Decision by Assessor Lisa Lea (Ref: [Insert POPLA Ref])

To the Lead Adjudicator,

I am submitting a formal complaint regarding the decision issued by Assessor Lisa Lea in my appeal against Private Parking Solutions Ltd. The decision is legally defective and procedurally flawed. I understand POPLA operates a single-stage process and does not reverse decisions, but I require a written response to this complaint for the record, as I intend to rely on it in future proceedings.

The following errors are clear and unacceptable:

1. The assessor wrongly accepted a vague multi-road location and postcode (UB8 2RZ) as compliant with PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(a), even though the operator’s own evidence stated the incident occurred at UB8 2RP. This is a factual discrepancy and a breach of the requirement to specify a particular location.

2. The operator claimed the vehicle was present for just 44 seconds. The Code of Practice requires a minimum five-minute consideration period. The assessor ignored this completely and assumed a contract was formed simply because a PCN was issued. That is circular reasoning and shows a failure to understand basic contract law.

3. The signage was prohibitory, stating “No parking, waiting, loading or unloading.” This is not an offer to park under terms. The assessor failed to apply the relevant case law (PCM v Bull 2016), which confirms that prohibitory signs cannot form a contract.

4. The Notice to Keeper used the term “we” without naming a legal entity as the creditor. The assessor wrongly concluded that branding or payment instructions elsewhere on the notice satisfied PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(h). This is legally incorrect. The creditor must be clearly named in the body of the notice.

5. The landowner agreement provided by the operator was defective. It referenced a non-existent organisation (“British Association”), lacked a site map, failed to identify the signatory, and gave no proof that Trade Sales had authority to grant enforcement rights. The assessor ignored all of this and accepted the document without scrutiny.

6. The assessor claimed keeper liability transferred because the NtK warned the keeper. This ignores the requirement for full compliance with all PoFA conditions. Multiple breaches were evident, yet the assessor cherry-picked one clause and disregarded the rest.

7. The assessor repeatedly referred to the location as a “car park.” This is factually wrong. The alleged contravention occurred on a public-access road within an industrial estate, not in a car park. Roads are not car parks. The only time a road could be considered a car park is during a traffic jam, and even then not legally. This mischaracterisation shows a complete failure to understand the nature of the site and undermines the entire basis of the decision.

This decision is legally incoherent and procedurally negligent. It fails to apply statutory requirements, ignores binding case law, and accepts flawed evidence without scrutiny. I request that the Lead Adjudicator reviews this complaint and confirms whether these issues have been acknowledged and whether any internal action will be taken to address the assessor’s conduct.

I do not expect the decision to be reversed, but I do expect a formal written response for the record.
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: stomp84 on July 23, 2025, 06:23:18 pm
Popla unsuccessful

Decision
Unsuccessful
Assessor Name
Lisa Lea
Assessor summary of operator case
The parking operator issued the parking charge notice (PCN) for parking in a no parking area.

Assessor summary of your case
The appellant raised the following points from their grounds of appeal: • Inadequate Location Description – Breach of PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(a). • No ‘Period of Parking’ Stated – Breach of PoFA and Failure to Establish Contract. • Prohibitive Signage – No Contract Formed. • Failure to Identify the Creditor – Breach of PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(h). • Lack of Landowner Authority – Operator Lacks Standing. • Driver Not Identified – Keeper Not Liable After reviewing the parking operator’s evidence, the appellant reiterates their grounds of appeal. In support of their appeal, the appellant submitted the following: 1. A copy of the appeal in PDF format. This evidence has been considered in making my determination.

Assessor supporting rational for decision
When assessing an appeal, POPLA considers if the parking operator issued the parking charge notice correctly and if the driver complied with the terms and conditions for the use of the car park on the day. The parking operator provided evidence of the signs on the car park, which advise that a £100 PCN will be issued to drivers who park in a no parking area. • Inadequate Location Description – Breach of PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(a). I appreciate the comments and evidence provided to support their appeal. I acknowledge the appellant mentions the PCN location being the Uxbridge Industrial Estate, after reviewing the documents provided and the postcode mentioned by the appellant, UB8 2RP is the postcode for Arundel Road, which is included in the PCN, and as such I am satisfied the operator has identified the particular area sufficiently and has complied with PoFA. • No ‘Period of Parking’ Stated – Breach of PoFA and Failure to Establish Contract. Prohibitive Signage – No Contract Formed. Whilst, I appreciate the appellant stating no period of parking and no contract had been established, When a motorist enters an area of private property they enter into a contract to adhere to the terms and conditions of the site, and as such as the vehicle was observed parked in a no parking area by an on site attendant, this identifies a breach of those terms and conditions. I am therefore, satisfied the operator has issued the PCN correctly. The Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice (The Code) sets the standards its parking operators need to comply with. The parking operator has provided a site map along with images of the signs in the car park itself. This evidence confirms that there are an adequate amount of signs in the car park, and they are placed sufficiently throughout the car park itself. This satisfies me that if any motorist was to park in this car park, they would be made aware of the requirement to not park in a no parking area. As such, I am satisfied the operator has complied with The Code. • Failure to Identify the Creditor – Breach of PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(h). I acknowledge the appellants comments regarding the failure to identify the creditor, however upon review of, PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(h) identify the creditor and specify how and to whom payment or notification to the creditor may be made. I can see the operator has identified themselves as the creditor and provided details of how and whom a payment can be made and as such, I am satisfied they have complied with PoFA. • Lack of Landowner Authority – Operator Lacks Standing. I acknowledge the appellants comments, however as the operator has provided a signed copy of the landowner agreement for Private Parking Solutions to manage the property on their behalf. I am satisfied that this shows sufficient authority manage the site. • Driver Not Identified – Keeper Not Liable. Parking operators have to follow certain rules including warning the registered keeper that they will be liable if the parking operator is not provided with the name and address of the driver. In this case, the PCN in question has the necessary information and the parking operator has therefore successfully transferred the liability onto the registered keeper. PoFA Schedule 4 Paragraph 9 (f)warn the keeper that if, after the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the notice is given— (i)the amount of the unpaid parking charges specified under paragraph (d) has not been paid in full, and (ii)the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid. I am therefore satisfied the operator has successfully transferred liability to the keeper. After considering the evidence from both parties, the motorist parked in a no parking area and therefore did not comply with the terms and conditions of the site. As such, I am satisfied the parking charge has been issued correctly and I must refuse the appeal. POPLA is not involved with the financial aspect of the parking charge. For any queries regarding payments, the appellant will need to contact the parking operator directly.
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: b789 on June 14, 2025, 12:04:14 pm
The ICA's reply is standard boilerplate, but there are some critical points here that can and should be responded to strategically to shape how they eventually approach your case.

They are asking you:

"At this stage... what your main outstanding concerns are, and what you hope to achieve through your complaint".

This is an opportunity to frame the review around administrative failings, poor decision-making, and failure to apply DVLA policy properly—which are within the ICA’s remit.

I suggest the following response to send back to the ICA that keeps within their jurisdiction, but exposes the DVLA's procedural failings and mismanagement:

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Subject: Response to ICA Query – PPS Case / DVLA Step 2 Complaint

Dear [ICA Officer's Name],

Thank you for your acknowledgement of my complaint and for outlining the scope of your review.

You asked what my main outstanding concerns are and what I hope to achieve. I fully understand that the ICA cannot investigate the validity of private parking charges or alter DVLA policy. My complaint is not about whether the original release of data was lawful, but rather the DVLA’s failure to handle my complaint properly once evidence of a serious breach came to light.

My key concerns are as follows:

1. The DVLA accepted false information without scrutiny.

Private Parking Solutions (London) Ltd falsely claimed to the DVLA that no appeal had been received. This statement was used as the basis to dismiss my Step 1 complaint. I later provided a copy of the operator’s own appeal rejection letter dated 6 May 2025, which proves beyond doubt that an appeal had been received, processed, and responded to. Despite this, the Step 2 response from the DVLA failed to acknowledge or correct this contradiction.

2. The DVLA failed to exercise oversight under the KADOE contract.

Once evidence was submitted showing that the operator had both misled the DVLA and breached the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (by ignoring my appeal until prompted), the DVLA took no action and closed the case. No enforcement step was taken under the KADOE contract, no warning issued, and no recognition made of the seriousness of the operator’s misconduct. This reflects a failure to meet the DVLA’s duty as Data Controller under UK GDPR and the DPA 2018.

3. The DVLA's response shows a lack of impartiality.

I note from your own letter that over 41,000 private PCNs are issued each day. This scale of data use by private operators appears to have created a culture in which the DVLA is reluctant to challenge parking companies for fear of disrupting this revenue-generating scheme. The refusal to act against an operator who provided false information to a government agency undermines public trust and calls into question whether the DVLA’s complaints process is being applied fairly or merely as a procedural formality.

While I understand that the ICA cannot investigate financial motives or policy outcomes, I believe this context is relevant to understanding why the DVLA failed to investigate the matter properly and why enforcement mechanisms were not triggered.

I am not seeking to reverse the data release, nor to challenge KADOE policy. What I seek is an independent finding that:

• The DVLA failed to investigate the complaint properly;
• The DVLA accepted and relied on factually incorrect information provided by a KADOE user;
• The complaint was closed without addressing the proven misrepresentation;
• There was no meaningful enforcement of the KADOE contract obligations despite clear evidence of misuse;

These failures amount to poor administration and a breach of the DVLA’s duty to fairly manage complaints and uphold data protection principles.

Thank you for your time and for reviewing this matter. I am happy to provide further supporting material if needed.

Yours sincerely,

[Your Full Name]
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: stomp84 on June 14, 2025, 10:20:16 am
The ICA have contacted me. Any thing I should say back to them


 
COMPLAINT AGAINST THE DRIVER & VEHICLE LICENSING AGENCY (DVLA)
 
I write further to your correspondence with the DVLA about the independent complaint assessor (ICA) review of your complaint. I confirm that a file containing your dealings with the DVLA has been received by the ICAs, and your complaint is being queued for allocation.
 
Please note that what follows is not an attempt at defining your complaint, and will not inform or shape the review. It is, rather, a brief reference at this acknowledgement stage to some of the difficulties described in the file.
 
You complained to the DVLA after ‘Private Parking Solutions’ ticketed you on 12 March 2025. You argued that the company had misused your data and expressed your dissatisfaction with the DVLA’s response in the following terms:
 
“My complaint raised serious concerns about misuse of personal data by Private Parking Solutions (London) Ltd and the submission of false information to a government agency. Specifically, PPS falsely claimed that no appeal had been received, which the DVLA accepted and relied upon in dismissing my Step 1 complaint. I later submitted a copy of PPS's written appeal rejection dated 6 May 2025, which proves beyond doubt that PPS did receive, process, and respond to my appeal. Despite this, the Step 2 response failed to acknowledge the significance of the operator's earlier false statement, and the case has been closed without proper accountability or enforcement under the KADOE contract. Given that the DVLA is the Data Controller for keeper information released under KADOE, I believe the matter has not been properly investigated and the response was based on incorrect and misleading information. I request that this matter now be referred to the Independent Complaints Assessor in accordance with published procedure.”
 
I have set out our jurisdiction as ICAs in an annex to this letter. We are not employees of the DfT or any of its public bodies. We cannot challenge or overturn a decision made by a public body in line with its policies. However, we can assess if the public body has administered its policies correctly, acted consistently with them and provided a reasonable standard of administration and customer service. The DVLA is in the jurisdiction of the Parliamentary Ombudsman and we refer where relevant to his Principles and UK Central Government Complaints Framework in judging whether the DfT or one of its delivery bodies has acted reasonably. In doing so, we must be clear that we do not function as an appeals body for enforcement or regulatory decisions made by DfT public bodies. Nor can we re-make a decision based on the correct pursuit of policy and/or the public body’s approach to resource allocation.
 
I should emphasise that we cannot adjudicate on the legality of the DVLA’s supply of keeper data to private parking companies. Nor is the DVLA an actual or proxy regulator for this sector, so complaints about the legal footing and procedural basis behind a PCN need to go down the prescribed appeal route, not to the agency or us. Complaints about unlawful data release, you will understand, are for the ICO. The ICO has fully approved the DVLA’s practice of releasing keeper data for the investigation of potential liability under the reasonable cause provision (in other words, the DVLA does not have to satisfy itself of the legitimacy of a request before data release). A complaint to the DVLA that a request for data from a private parking company was erroneous, meaning that the DVLA should not have released the data, does not get off the ground.
 
Approaching 41,000 drivers are issued with PCNs by private firms each day, underlining the impossibility of the DVLA investigating each request individually. We are precluded from commenting on the content and pursuit of policy by the DVLA. In my view, a political move in an area of widespread public concern is required to change the current arrangement. You may know, however, that initiatives to address public discontent have not seemingly progressed since the then government “temporarily” withdrew the Private Parking Code of Practice in June 2022 after representations from the private parking sector.
 
At this stage, bearing the scope (above) in mind, it would be of assistance to know what your main outstanding concerns are, and what you hope to achieve through your complaint.
 
We work remotely from the DfT, part time, and will not usually be able to reply immediately to communications. Due to the high numbers of complex referrals we have received in recent months, it will in all likelihood take us 14-18 weeks (possibly longer) to complete the review. Until your case is allocated to a colleague (currently I’m sorry to say taking 3 to 4 months), please contact me about any aspect and I will get back to you as soon as I can. 
 
Please tell us if we should adjust our approach to communicate better with you.
 
We prefer email communications as they get to us directly (terrestrial post is referred on to us by the DfT, adding time to the process). We will make any adjustment that we can to be of assistance.
 
If you intend to write to us using Royal Mail it would be helpful to know in advance so we can ask DfT staff to be sure to refer correspondence to us as soon as possible.
 
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: b789 on June 03, 2025, 08:21:35 pm
Copy and paste the following into the POPLA webform as your response to the operators evidence. It is within the 10,000 character limit:

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This is my response to the evidence submitted by Private Parking Solutions Ltd. They have failed to properly address multiple key points raised in my appeal and their claims contain numerous legal and factual errors. I request that POPLA consider all of the following.

First, the location is not properly specified. The Notice to Keeper states the location as “Uxbridge Ind Est, Wallingford Rd, Salisbury Rd, Arundel Rd, UB8 2RZ.” This covers a wide area and several roads. It is not a specific identifiable location, which is required under paragraph 9(2)(a) of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. The operator has not rebutted this point. In fact, they confirm the area covers multiple roads, which supports my argument that the location is vague and non-compliant. They also confirm the incident occurred at UB8 2RP, not UB8 2RZ, which shows the NtK was inaccurate.

Second, the operator relies on a claimed observation of 44 seconds to justify the charge. This is completely inadequate and fails both the legal and contractual standards. The operator has completely ignored the minimum consideration period that must be allowed under the Private Parking Single Code of Practice, section 5.1. That section states that operators must allow a reasonable consideration period for the driver to find the terms, read them, and either decide to accept and park or leave. This period is defined as a minimum of five minutes.

If the operator is claiming that the vehicle was on site for just 44 seconds, then by their own evidence, there is no possibility that the driver had sufficient time to read the terms, understand them, and make an informed decision. This means no contract could have been formed. Without a contract, there can be no breach and no charge.

The operator is trying to have it both ways. They want to rely on PoFA to hold the keeper liable, which requires evidence of a parking period. At the same time, they are claiming that 44 seconds is enough to establish that a contract was entered into and breached. That is legally and logically absurd. No contract can be formed in less than the five-minute consideration period.

This is not about whether the car was observed on site. It is about whether any evidence shows that the driver had time to read and accept the terms, which is essential for contract formation. Forty-four seconds proves the opposite — that there was no parking period at all, just a fleeting presence.

Therefore, even if every other element of the operator’s case were correct (which it is not), their failure to show that the vehicle was present for more than five minutes fatally undermines any claim that a contract existed or that the PoFA requirements have been met.

Third, the signage is prohibitory. The sign clearly states “No parking, waiting, loading or unloading on the roads and footpaths at any time.” This is not an invitation to park under certain conditions. It is a clear prohibition. A contract cannot be formed from prohibitive terms. As I explained in the original appeal, PCM v Bull (2016) confirmed that a prohibitory notice cannot form the basis of a contractual agreement. The operator claims a contract was formed, but this contradicts the content of the signage and applicable case law.

Fourth, the operator claims to have identified the creditor, but this is not accurate. The Notice to Keeper states “we, the creditor” without naming any specific legal entity within that sentence. This is not compliant with paragraph 9(2)(h) of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, which requires that the notice “identify the creditor.” The term “we” is ambiguous and legally meaningless in this context.

The identity of the creditor is a fundamental requirement under PoFA. It is essential that the registered keeper knows exactly who is pursuing the charge. This is not a mere technicality. A notice demanding payment must make it explicitly clear who the money is being claimed by and who it is allegedly owed to. Simply placing the operator’s name somewhere else on the page or letterhead is not good enough. The legal requirement is to identify the creditor within the body of the notice itself, and to do so clearly and unambiguously.

In this case, the Notice to Keeper does not make it clear whether the creditor is the operator, the landowner, or some third party. It is especially unclear because the contract provided by the operator names “Trade Sales” as the party authorising enforcement. But “Trade Sales” could be the landowner, a leaseholder, or just a managing agent. There is no proof of who owns the land or who holds the legal right to enforce charges. Therefore, it is impossible to tell from the Notice to Keeper or the evidence whether the creditor is Private Parking Solutions Ltd, Trade Sales, or another unnamed entity altogether.

The operator has not provided any clarification in their evidence or addressed this point in their response. They simply assume that the recipient of the notice will know who the creditor is. That assumption is not sufficient to meet the statutory requirement. If the operator cannot or will not clearly state who the creditor is, then the Notice to Keeper is invalid under PoFA and they cannot transfer liability to the keeper.

This appeal point stands and must be upheld.

Fifth, the operator has submitted a supposed landowner agreement, but this document is deeply flawed. It names a company called Trade Sales as the party authorising PPS to manage the site, but there is no evidence that Trade Sales is the landowner or leaseholder. No land registry details are provided and no document is included proving Trade Sales has the right to grant enforcement authority. There is no site map included even though the agreement itself says one must be attached. The section asking for patrol areas to be defined is left blank. There is no way to determine whether the alleged contravention occurred on land covered by this agreement.

The person signing on behalf of Trade Sales is not named in print, and their signature is unreadable. No job title is given and no evidence is provided showing that they have any authority to sign such an agreement. This makes it impossible to verify whether this is a valid contract.

Additionally, the contract start date is shown as 7 February 2024. If the alleged incident occurred on or before this date, the contract was not yet in force. If the incident occurred after this date, the contract still fails to establish that the signatory was authorised to bind the landowner or that PPS has the right to issue charges and take legal action in its own name.

Worse still, the contract references a non-existent organisation. It claims to be issued in accordance with sections 7.1 to 7.3 of the “British Association Code of Practice.” This is not a real entity. There is no such organisation as the British Association in this context. This appears to be a botched reference to the British Parking Association. A contract that gets the name of the governing code wrong cannot be relied upon. This seriously undermines the credibility and legal effect of the document.

Sixth, the operator claims that because I did not name the driver, I have assumed liability. This is incorrect. The burden is on the operator to comply with all of the conditions in Schedule 4 of PoFA in order to transfer liability to the keeper. As shown above, they have failed to do so. There is no presumption that the keeper is the driver. VCS v Edward (2023) confirmed that a keeper cannot be held liable simply because they were not able to name the driver.

In conclusion, the operator has failed to rebut my core appeal points. The Notice to Keeper is non-compliant with PoFA. The operator has not established that a contract was formed. Their claim of a 44-second observation is not only insufficient but confirms that no contract could have been formed due to the failure to allow the required five-minute consideration period. Their signage is prohibitory and cannot support a claim based on contract law. Their evidence of landowner authority is legally and factually defective. For all of these reasons, the appeal must be allowed and the charge cancelled.
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: stomp84 on June 03, 2025, 07:57:57 pm
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/jdqctvnagw7k56pj5jmca/AEBrHcvwMH0ye6ZzjVqp-zQ?rlkey=reaj5e1kv0j24a2jsx0k6sc63&st=0ujbjlyo&dl=0


All evidence here. I only included 2 photos of the car

Contact with land owner included
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: b789 on June 03, 2025, 06:25:21 pm
Have they included a copy of the contract with the landowner? Simply telling us what they provided is just not good enough. Host the evidence pack on Google Drive and give us a link that we can use to see their 'evidence'!!!!
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: stomp84 on June 03, 2025, 04:59:39 pm
Popla have come back with PPS’s response to the claim.

Few photos too of my car and the parking signs and the road layout

"Dear Assessor,

The contract that we are seeking payment on has arisen from a breach of the notified terms and conditions of parking stated on the signs that the landowner has requested us to erect and permitted to remain erected at this location. The signage on site is located conspicuously around the site. The signs are legible and written in intelligible language. The entrance signs inform the drivers that they are entering private land and must be aware of the terms and conditions once they are within the car park. The terms and conditions and the potential consequences of non-adherence to the terms have been made fully available "Private Road. This car park is controlled by Warden Patrols. If you fail to comply with any of the terms and conditions stated below at any time, you agree to pay a £100 Parking Charge Notice. No parking, waiting, loading or unloading on the roads and footpaths at any time. No causing obstructions at any time".
The charge was issued because the appellant's vehicle was parked on private land in a no parking area, which is a direct contravention of the terms and conditions of parking. The photographic evidence shows vehicle registration XXXX XXX stationary on the road, where parking is not permitted under the site's terms and conditions. It can also be seen that the vehicle was parked at the entrance/exit of a car park, obstructing the free passage to/from the car park. By choosing to ignore the terms and remain, the appellant contravened the parking contract, and this has resulted in them being liable for a parking charge.
As there are no rules in that a PCN has to be fixed to a windscreen, we requested the registered keepers’ details from the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) and issued a Notice to Keeper (NTK) to the registered keeper at the address listed. As there are no rules in that a PCN has to be fixed to a windscreen, we requested the registered keepers’ details from the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) and issued a Notice to Keeper (NTK) to the registered keeper at the address listed. For a Notice to Keeper to be compliant with PoFA 2012, as detailed in section 9(2)(f) “warn the keeper that if, after the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the notice is given— (i) the amount of the unpaid parking charges specified under paragraph (d) has not been paid in full, and (ii) the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid.” The Notice to Keeper correctly conveys this information. It states the keeper has ‘If after 29 days we have not received full payment or driver details’, which is the equivalent of ‘28 days beginning the day after the that on which the notice is given’. This is compliant with PoFA Act 2012 requirements. The evidence, however, does not indicate that the keeper provided us with the relevant information to transfer liability to the driver, and by failing to provide the driver's details, the appellant (the keeper) has assumed liability for this PCN.
The NTK indicates the location; the postcode on the NTK is sufficient for the motorist to determine where the vehicle was parked at the time of the contravention. According to the contract we have with the landowner, the site name is 'Uxbridge Industrial Estate.' The roads within the Uxbridge Industrial Estate are Wallingford Road, Salisbury Road, and Arundel Road. Together, these make up the 'Uxbridge Industrial Estate.’ The postcode refers to Uxbridge Industrial Estate, where the postcode on the PCN applies. The NTK does not need to specifically state the times of parking the NTK relate to, as long as it is clear from the NTK, which is 10:26. The evidence demonstrates that the vehicle was observed stationary in a no parking area for 44 seconds, which is the period of parking the NTK relates to. Private Parking Solutions (London) Ltd is identified as the creditor on the PCN. The parking charge is BPA and POFA 2012 compliant.
It is important to note that when entering private parking land, the landowner is entitled to set their own parking terms and conditions to form a contract with motorists. These terms are clearly set out in the signage on site. Landowners are under no obligation to allow use of their land if they do not wish to. In this case, the signage is placed at regular intervals, including at the entrance and throughout the controlled area. The signs are large, clearly visible, and use simple, jargon-free language. The signage communicates: “By parking on this land, you contractually agree to pay the displayed charge.” The text at the bottom of the sign further instructs motorists not to park unless they agree to the terms. This constitutes a contractual offer not to park and communicates that a driver choosing to disregard that instruction will incur a charge. Ultimately, it is the motorist’s responsibility to ensure they understand and comply with the site's terms before deciding to park."
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: stomp84 on May 22, 2025, 07:26:19 pm
Great thanks

I’ll get this submitted
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: b789 on May 22, 2025, 07:24:34 pm
Here is a tidied up version of what you have put together:

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POPLA Appeal Submission

Appellant: [Your Full Name]
POPLA Verification Code: [Insert Code]
Operator: [Insert Operator Name]
PCN Number: [Insert PCN Number]
Date of Notice: [Insert Date]
Vehicle Registration: [Insert VRM]

Grounds of Appeal

1. Inadequate Location Description – Breach of PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(a)

The Notice to Keeper (NtK) fails to comply with Paragraph 9(2)(a) of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), which requires the notice to “specify the land on which the vehicle was parked.”

The location stated on the NtK is:

UXBRIDGE IND EST, Wallingford Rd, Salisbury Rd, Arundel Rd, UXBRIDGE, UB8 2RZ

This is not a specific location but a generalised grouping of roads spanning a large industrial estate. In fact, the postcode UB8 2RZ does not even cover all the roads listed. The contravention, according to the operator’s own photographic evidence, occurred at a completely different postcode (UB8 2RP).

The NtK is vague, ambiguous and fails to meet the statutory requirement to "specify the land" where the vehicle was allegedly parked. A keeper receiving such a notice cannot reasonably ascertain where the incident took place. This is a clear breach of PoFA and invalidates any attempt to transfer liability to the registered keeper.

2. No ‘Period of Parking’ Stated – Breach of PoFA and Failure to Establish Contract

The NtK only provides a single timestamp rather than a period of parking. This breaches PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(a), which states that the notice must:

Specify the period of parking to which the notice relates.

This deficiency was clarified in Brennan v Premier Parking Solutions (2023) [H6DP632H], where the court found that a timestamp is not the same as a “period” and does not satisfy the statutory requirement.

Furthermore, the operator has not shown that any parking took place beyond a reasonable consideration or grace period. Without establishing a specific and measurable duration of stay, the operator cannot demonstrate that any contractual relationship was formed.

A valid contract requires:

• An offer,
• Acceptance,
• Consideration.

In the absence of evidence showing a defined duration of parking, no acceptance or consideration can be presumed. This is a critical failure, both in terms of compliance with PoFA and in proving that a contractual agreement ever came into existence.

3. Prohibitive Signage – No Contract Formed

The alleged breach is described as:

Parking in a No Parking Area

This wording constitutes a prohibition, not an offer of terms that can form the basis of a contract. Where signage forbids an action entirely (i.e., parking is “not permitted”), no contract can be formed. This was confirmed in PCM v Bull (2016) [B4GF26K6], where the court held that a prohibitory notice cannot give rise to contractual liability.

In such cases, any alleged wrongdoing is more akin to trespass, which only the landowner (not a parking operator) may pursue through the courts. The operator cannot rely on contract law where no contractual terms were offered or accepted.

4. Failure to Identify the Creditor – Breach of PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(h)

Paragraph 9(2)(h) of PoFA requires that the NtK:

Identify the creditor.

The NtK in this case merely states:

We, the creditor, require payment…

The word “we” is wholly insufficient to identify any specific legal entity. It could refer to the operator, the landowner, or some unnamed third party. The requirement under PoFA is not simply to label the notice as coming from “the creditor,” but to name the party to whom the alleged debt is owed.

Without this, the notice fails to comply with statutory requirements and the keeper cannot be held liable.

5. Lack of Landowner Authority – Operator Lacks Standing

I put the operator to strict proof that they have a current and valid contract with the landowner that:

• Grants authority to issue PCNs at the exact location in question;
• Confers the right to take enforcement action, including litigation, in the operator’s own name;
• Specifically includes the area identified in the photographs, not just the general industrial estate.

The BPA Code of Practice (Section 7.1) requires operators to have written authorisation for every site they manage. The contract must be specific to the land and must be made available upon request. In the absence of such proof, the operator has no legal standing and no right to pursue charges.

6. Driver Not Identified – Keeper Not Liable

The operator has not identified the driver, and no admission of driver identity has been made. They are therefore attempting to rely on PoFA to hold the keeper liable. However, as shown in all the preceding points, the NtK fails to meet multiple mandatory requirements under Schedule 4. The conditions for keeper liability have not been met.

As confirmed in VCS v Edward (2023), HHJ Gargan held that:

Simply because somebody is the registered keeper does not mean, on balance of probability, they were driving…

There is no presumption in law that the registered keeper was the driver, and the burden of proof remains with the operator.

Conclusion

This Parking Charge Notice is fundamentally flawed and unenforceable. The Notice to Keeper fails to comply with several provisions of PoFA and the signage on site is incapable of forming a contract. The operator has not demonstrated landowner authority, has not identified the driver, and cannot transfer liability to the registered keeper.

Accordingly, I respectfully request that POPLA uphold this appeal and cancel the charge.
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: stomp84 on May 22, 2025, 07:11:47 pm
Ok added that info in

POPLA Appeal Submission

Appellant: [Your Full Name]
POPLA Verification Code: [Insert Code]
Operator: [Insert Operator Name]
PCN Number: [Insert PCN Number]
Date of Notice: [Insert Date]
Vehicle Registration: [Insert VRM]



Grounds of Appeal



1. Inadequate Location Description

The Notice to Keeper (NtK) fails to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(a), which requires the notice to “specify the land on which the vehicle was parked.” The notice merely states:

“UXBRIDGE IND EST, Wallingford Rd, Salisbury Rd, Arundel Rd, UXBRIDGE, UB8 2RZ”

This is not a single, specific location but a broad collection of roads across a large industrial area. In fact, UB8 2RZ does not cover all of these roads; the alleged contravention occurred at a different postcode (UB8 2RP). The location is therefore vague, ambiguous, and misleading—failing the statutory requirement of specificity under PoFA.



2. No ‘Period of Parking’ Specified – Breach of PoFA & Failure to Establish Contract

The NtK only states a single timestamp rather than a period of parking, breaching PoFA Schedule 4 Paragraph 9(2)(a), which clearly requires:

“The period of parking to which the notice relates.”

This deficiency was confirmed in Brennan v Premier Parking Solutions (2023) [H6DP632H], where the court held that a timestamp does not constitute a “period.”

Moreover, if the operator cannot demonstrate how long the vehicle was parked, they cannot establish that any parking occurred beyond the consideration or grace period. This undermines their entire claim. A contract cannot be formed without:
   •   An offer
   •   Acceptance
   •   Consideration

If the duration of stay is not evidenced, then no acceptance or consideration can be presumed, and thus no contract could have been formed. Therefore, even if a sign were visible, it would not result in any enforceable agreement without proof of a measurable stay.



3. Allegation is Prohibitive, Not Contractual

The notice alleges:

“Parking in a No Parking Area”

This is a prohibition, not an invitation to park under certain terms. As per PCM v Bull (2016) [B4GF26K6], prohibitive signage is incapable of forming a contract because it offers no terms capable of acceptance. A sign forbidding parking cannot result in contractual liability. As such, no contract was entered into, and there can be no breach.



4. Failure to Identify the Creditor

PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(h) requires the notice to:

“Identify the creditor.”

The NtK merely states:

“We, the creditor, require payment…”

This does not identify any specific legal entity. The term “we” could refer to the landowner, their managing agent, or the operator itself. This vagueness is a breach of the statutory requirement, as the keeper cannot be expected to discharge a liability to an unidentified party.



5. Lack of Landowner Authority – Strict Proof Required

I put the operator to strict proof of a valid and current contract with the landowner that:
   •   Specifically grants them authority to issue Parking Charge Notices (PCNs) at the precise location in question;
   •   Covers the relevant land (which is not clearly defined by the postcode used);
   •   Confers the right to take legal action in their own name.

Without such a contract, the operator has no standing to issue or enforce parking charges. This is a fundamental requirement confirmed in the BPA Code of Practice (Paragraph 7.1) and upheld in countless appeals.



6. Keeper Not Liable – Driver Not Identified

The operator has failed to identify the driver, and has not established the right to hold the registered keeper liable. As clearly stated in VCS v Edward (2023), HHJ Gargan ruled:

“Simply because somebody is the registered keeper does not mean, on balance of probability, they were driving…”

As PoFA compliance has not been achieved (per the above points), the operator has no legal basis to transfer liability to the Keeper, and has not shown who the driver was. There is no presumption in law that the Keeper was the driver.



Conclusion

This appeal should be upheld. The Parking Charge Notice is unenforceable due to:
   •   A vague and misleading location description
   •   Absence of a period of parking (both a PoFA breach and proof no contract could exist)
   •   Prohibitive signage that cannot form a contract
   •   Failure to identify the creditor
   •   Lack of demonstrated landowner authority
   •   No evidence of driver identity, and no keeper liability

Accordingly, I respectfully request that POPLA allow this appeal and cancel the charge.

Sincerely,
[Your Full Name]
[Date]
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: b789 on May 22, 2025, 06:52:44 pm
No period of parking specified is not only a PoFA breach but it is also evidence that no contract could have been formed if they cannot prove thatcher vehicle was parked for more than the minimum consideration period.

You also want to put them to strict proof of a valid contract flowing from the landowner authorising the operator to issue PCNs at the location.
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: stomp84 on May 22, 2025, 06:26:32 pm
Does this sound better

POPLA Appeal Submission

Appellant: [Your Full Name]
POPLA Verification Code: [Insert Code]
Operator: [Insert Operator Name]
PCN Number: [Insert PCN Number]
Date of Notice: [Insert Date]
Vehicle Registration: [Insert VRM]



Grounds of Appeal



1. Inadequate Location Description

The Notice to Keeper (NtK) fails to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(a), which requires that the notice must “specify the land on which the vehicle was parked.” Instead, the NtK ambiguously states:

“UXBRIDGE IND EST, Wallingford Rd, Salisbury Rd, Arundel Rd, UXBRIDGE, UB8 2RZ”

This reference is vague and fails to identify a specific location. The roads mentioned span a wide area and are not collectively covered by the single postcode UB8 2RZ. Moreover, UB8 2RZ does not include all those roads, and the alleged incident actually occurred at a different postcode (UB8 2RP). This renders the location description misleading and non-compliant with PoFA, as it does not allow the registered keeper to determine where the vehicle was allegedly parked.



2. No ‘Period of Parking’ Specified

The NtK merely presents a single timestamp. However, PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(a) requires the notice to “specify the period of parking to which the notice relates.” A single point in time cannot logically represent a period. This issue was addressed in Brennan v Premier Parking Solutions (2023) [H6DP632H], where it was held that:

“A timestamp alone is insufficient to demonstrate a period of parking.”

This NtK therefore fails to evidence any contravention, and it does not establish the basis for keeper liability.



3. Allegation is Prohibitive, Not Contractual

The alleged contravention is described as:

“Parking in a No Parking Area.”

This wording implies a prohibition, not a contractual offer. As held in PCM v Bull (2016) [B4GF26K6], signage that forbids parking altogether cannot form the basis of a contract, as there is no offer to accept and no consideration to form a binding agreement. Without the existence of a contract, there can be no breach—and thus no liability under contract law or PoFA.



4. Failure to Identify the Creditor

PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(h) requires the NtK to “identify the creditor.” This must be a specific legal entity—the party to whom any money would be owed.

The NtK states:

“We, the creditor, require payment…”

But it fails to define who “we” is. This lack of clarity breaches the legal requirement under PoFA and renders the notice invalid. A keeper cannot be expected to discharge liability to an unidentified party.



5. Keeper Not Liable – Driver Not Identified

The operator has not identified the driver, nor have they demonstrated any legal basis to assume that the Keeper was the driver. In VCS v Edward (2023), HHJ Gargan held:

“Simply because somebody is the registered keeper does not mean, on balance of probability, they were driving…”

No evidence has been provided to suggest who was driving at the time. Since PoFA conditions have not been met (as outlined above), the operator cannot transfer liability to the Keeper. There is no driver identification, and no basis for keeper liability.



Conclusion

This appeal must be allowed. The NtK is fundamentally non-compliant with PoFA due to:
   •   Inadequate and misleading location description
   •   Absence of a specified period of parking
   •   Prohibitive signage that cannot form a contract
   •   Failure to identify the creditor
   •   No evidence identifying the driver, and no lawful keeper liability

I respectfully request that POPLA uphold this appeal and cancel the Parking Charge Notice.

Kind regards,
[Your Full Name]
[Date]
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: b789 on May 22, 2025, 02:30:31 am
Quote
Since this land is not relevant under PoFA, the Keeper cannot be held liable.

This is not correct. The land is "relevant" for the purposes of PoFA. The Notice to Keeper is not PoFA compliant, and so the creditor cannot transfer liability from the unknown driver to the known Keeper.

Getting there. Maybe expand a bit on each point. You have to assume the POPLA assessor is a bit dull and needs leading by the nose to the point you are making.
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: stomp84 on May 21, 2025, 06:58:49 pm
I’ve had a go drafting something.



Appeal Against Parking Charge Notice (PCN) Issued by Private Parking Services
 

POPLA Reference: 
PCN Reference:
Vehicle Registration:
Date of Alleged Contravention:
 
This is an appeal by the Keeper of the vehicle, and I raise the following points for POPLA to consider:
 
 

1. Inadequate Location Description
2. No 'Period of Parking' Specified
3. Allegation is Prohibitive, Not Contractual
4. Failure to Identify the Creditor
5. Keeper Not Liable – Driver Not Identified
 

Grounds for Appeal:


1. Inadequate Location Description

The NtK states the location as:

"UXBRIDGE IND EST, Wallingford Rd, Salisbury Rd, Arundel Rd, UXBRIDGE, UB8 2RZ"

This is not a single identifiable site but rather a broad grouping of separate roads which extend well beyond any identifiable 'Ind Est'. Additionally, UB8 2RZ is not a postcode that covers all those roads—on the contrary, it relates to a specific location, whereas the alleged contravention occurred at a different postcode entirely (UB8 2RP). This fails to satisfy PoFA Schedule 4, paragraph 9(2)(a), which requires the notice to “specify the land on which the vehicle was parked”. A vague and potentially misleading group reference is not sufficient.

2. No 'Period of Parking' Specified

The NtK merely states a single timestamp. PoFA para 9(2)(a) requires that the NtK “specify the period of parking to which the notice relates”. A single moment in time does not evidence a period of parking. This principle was clearly addressed in Brennan v Premier Parking Solutions (2023) [H6DP632H], where the Judge held that a timestamp alone is insufficient to demonstrate a period of parking. Without a specified duration and certainly not less than the consideration period, the NtK fails to establish that any contravention occurred, and thus keeper liability cannot arise.

3. Allegation is Prohibitive, Not Contractual

The allegation is “Parking in a No Parking Area”. This denotes a clear prohibition, not a contractual term. As per the reasoning in PCM v Bull (2016) [B4GF26K6], prohibitive signage cannot form the basis of a contract, as it offers no consideration or terms capable of acceptance. As no contract could have been formed, there can be no breach of contract and therefore no keeper liability under PoFA.

4. Failure to Identify the Creditor

The NtK uses the phrase “We, the creditor, require payment...” without identifying who “we” refers to. This is in breach of PoFA paragraph 9(2)(h), which requires that the notice must identify the creditor—meaning the specific legal entity to whom any liability would be owed. A generic and ambiguous reference that could be either the landowner, their agent or the operator

5. Keeper Not Liable – Driver Not Identified

Since this land is not relevant under PoFA, the Keeper cannot be held liable.

Furthermore, the driver has not been identified, and there is no legal presumption that the Keeper was the driver. In VCS v Edward (2023), HHJ Gargan stated:

“Simply because somebody is the registered keeper does not mean, on balance of probability, they were driving…”

The operator has provided no evidence of who was driving. They cannot hold the Keeper liable and cannot prove driver liability either.


Conclusion

Inadequate location description fails to meet PoFA
The 5-minute consideration period was not exceeded. A single moment in time is not parking (Brennan)
Allegation is Prohibitive, Not Contractual (PCM v Bull)
Failure to Identify the Creditor
No driver has been identified — Keeper liability fails.
This PCN is invalid on multiple grounds. I request that POPLA uphold this appeal and instruct the operator to cancel it.
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: b789 on May 20, 2025, 10:44:50 pm
OK, I see it now. You have until 7th June to submit a POPLA appeal. Have a search on the forum fo4 other POPLA appeals to get a feel for how they are put together and start one yourself.

Don't submit anything until you've shown us so that we can give advice on any edits you need to make.
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: stomp84 on May 20, 2025, 08:40:20 pm
When PPS rejected my official complaint they gave me a popla verification code within the letter
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: b789 on May 20, 2025, 08:11:42 pm
You never received an appeal rejection with a POPLA code. Without a POPLA code, you can't make a POPLA appeal.
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: stomp84 on May 20, 2025, 07:56:38 pm
Ok that’s done

Should I be making an appeal to popla ?

Think I’ve got around 14 left before my window closes.
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: b789 on May 20, 2025, 06:21:36 pm
Respond to that with the following:

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Subject: Request for ICA Review – DVLA Complaints Case [INSERT DVLA REFERENCE]

Dear DVLA Complaints Team,

I am writing to formally request that my complaint be referred to the Independent Complaints Assessor (ICA), following your Step 2 response dated 20 May 2025.

I remain dissatisfied with how the DVLA has handled this matter. My complaint raised serious concerns about misuse of personal data by Private Parking Solutions (London) Ltd and the submission of false information to a government agency.

Specifically, PPS falsely claimed that no appeal had been received, which the DVLA accepted and relied upon in dismissing my Step 1 complaint. I later submitted a copy of PPS’s written appeal rejection dated 6 May 2025, which proves beyond doubt that PPS did receive, process, and respond to my appeal. Despite this, the Step 2 response failed to acknowledge the significance of the operator’s earlier false statement, and the case has been closed without proper accountability or enforcement under the KADOE contract.

Given that the DVLA is the Data Controller for keeper information released under KADOE, I believe the matter has not been properly investigated and the response was based on incorrect and misleading information.

I request that this matter now be referred to the Independent Complaints Assessor in accordance with published procedure.

Yours faithfully,

[YOUR FULL NAME]
[VRM / PCN number if applicable]
[DVLA reference number]
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: stomp84 on May 20, 2025, 10:45:49 am
DVLA have come back to me now

They don’t seem to want to do any action.

See attached

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Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: b789 on May 06, 2025, 12:28:59 pm
There should be an email address on the top right hand side of the reply from the complaints team that you would be able to send further information to.

You should send a copy of the damning response to that email address:

Quote
Supplementary Evidence – Step 2 Complaint re Private Parking Solutions (London) Ltd – [complaint reference number]

Dear Head of Complaints,

I am writing to provide supplementary evidence in support of my Step 2 complaint regarding misuse of my personal data by Private Parking Solutions (London) Ltd (PPS).

On 6 May 2025, PPS issued a formal written rejection of my appeal. This completely contradicts the statement they made to the DVLA, which claimed that “no appeal was made by yourself”. That assertion formed a central part of the Step 1 response and was evidently false.

The attached letter from PPS confirms beyond doubt that they did in fact receive, process, and internally consider the appeal I submitted—just as I had originally stated. This proves that PPS not only breached the PPSCoP by ignoring my initial complaint and continuing enforcement, but also knowingly misled the DVLA during an official data protection investigation.

This is not a minor discrepancy. It is now clear that PPS falsely denied receipt of an appeal in an attempt to avoid scrutiny for their misuse of DVLA data. Their behaviour calls into question their fitness to retain KADOE access.

I request that this newly received evidence be added to the record for my Step 2 complaint and that it be taken into account when determining whether a breach of the KADOE contract has occurred and whether enforcement action is now warranted.

yours faithfully,

[Your Full Name]
[VRM or PCN number if helpful for linking]
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: stomp84 on May 06, 2025, 11:27:46 am
Yes I got the case reference number for my second complaint to the DVLA

The DVLA hadn’t come back to me yet with any response
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: b789 on May 06, 2025, 11:05:11 am
Their response confirms several critical points and contradictions that support your DVLA Step 2 escalation:

• PPS now admits that you did appeal: their responses refute their earlier claim (made to the DVLA) that “no appeal was received.”
• They insist a contract was formed by parking in a “no parking” zone, despite signage expressly stating no parking is allowed—a contradiction in terms and a well-established flaw in enforceability (as per PCM v Bull).
• They argue that a single timestamp is sufficient and that no period of parking is needed, directly contradicting the requirement in PoFA Schedule 4, para 9(2)(a) and the judgment in Brennan v Premier Parking Solutions (2023) [H6DP632H].
• They justify using a broad postcode location (UB8 2RZ) to cover multiple roads, although UB8 2RP was where the vehicle actually stopped. This supports your point about vague and inaccurate location data.

You now have conclusive evidence that PPS lied to the DVLA at Step 1 and did receive your appeal, and that they are now attempting to justify enforcement despite failing PoFA, using unlawful signage, and processing your data after breaching the PPSCoP.

Your complaint is no longer just about misuse of data—it is about:

• Dishonesty to a government agency (DVLA),
• Continuing enforcement using PoFA without compliance,
• Failure to acknowledge or respond to correspondence until later in the process, and
• Breach of Section 11.2 of the PPSCoP, as your original email was not treated as an appeal until they were forced into it.

Do you have a reference number for the Step 2 DVLA complaint? If so, you need to provide PPSs damning response to your formal complaint as evidence.
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: stomp84 on May 06, 2025, 09:40:32 am
Had a reply from PPS today from my formal complaint

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Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: b789 on April 30, 2025, 06:32:12 pm
I think you can only attach a single file to upload, so I suggest you save them all as PDF files and then combine them into a single PDF using something like this free PDF tool:

https://www.pdf2go.com

You can then upload a single file with all the attachments combined within it.
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: stomp84 on April 30, 2025, 04:06:15 pm
I’ve double checked and I have all the emails with myself CCd in and all the the correct email address’s

Do I need to attach the original the email or just copy and paste the text from it into the PDF I’ll create for this response ?

Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: b789 on April 30, 2025, 03:37:54 pm
When you emailed the formal complaint and the follow up letter to PPS, did you CC in yourself? If so, do you have those emails that you received from yourself? They are indisputable proof that you sent them to PPS's published email address.

You now escalate this to a Step 2 complaint to the Head of Complaints at the DVLA. The only difference to the previous complaint is that you now go to this url to submit the Step 2 complaint:

https://contact.dvla.gov.uk/head-of-complaints

For the text part of the complaint the webform could use the following:

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I am submitting a formal escalation under Step 2 of the DVLA’s complaints procedure regarding my original complaint (submitted 25 April 2025) concerning misuse of my personal data by Private Parking Solutions (London) Ltd.

The Step 1 response I received on 30 April 2025 contains a material inaccuracy: it states that "Private Parking Solutions (London) Ltd have confirmed that no appeal was made by yourself."

This is demonstrably false.

I submitted a formal complaint, which under Section 11.2 of the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) must be treated as an appeal. I also sent a follow-up email. I have timestamped and CC’d copies of both emails, and can confirm they were delivered to the correct published contact address for PPS.

Despite this, PPS continued enforcement action and issued a further reminder without responding, in breach of the PPSCoP. This amounts to unlawful use of DVLA data, and now also includes a misrepresentation by the operator to a government agency.

I am attaching a detailed supporting statement with evidence, including the emails sent, the NtK and the reminder letter.
Please investigate the issue properly and confirm whether the DVLA will now take enforcement steps under the KADOE contract for this clear breach and misrepresentation.

Then you upload the following as a PDF file for the formal complaint itself:

Quote
Complaint to DVLA – Step 2 Escalation

Operator name: Private Parking Solutions (London) Ltd
Date of PCN issue: 12 March 2025
Vehicle registration: [INSERT VRM]
Original complaint submitted: 25 April 2025
Step 1 response received: 30 April 2025

This is a formal Step 2 escalation under the DVLA’s complaints procedure. The Step 1 response issued on 30 April 2025 failed to address the core elements of my complaint and instead relied on a misleading and factually incorrect statement from Private Parking Solutions (London) Ltd. The DVLA accepted, without verification, the operator’s claim that “no appeal was made by yourself”. That claim is demonstrably false and is now evidenced with this Step 2 submission.

On 22 March 2025, I submitted a formal complaint to Private Parking Solutions (London) Ltd by email, which under Section 11.2 of the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) must be treated as an appeal. I followed up with a second email when no response was received. The operator ignored both communications and instead issued a reminder letter dated 11 April 2025. I hold timestamped, CC’d copies of both emails.

The DVLA’s Step 1 response failed to address the actual basis of my complaint, which was that the operator has used DVLA-supplied data unlawfully by:

• Issuing a Notice to Keeper that does not comply with PoFA 2012,
• Falsely asserting that keeper liability applies,
• Ignoring a formal complaint/appeal in breach of Sections 11.2 and 11.3.1 of the PPSCoP,
• Continuing enforcement despite the complaint being unresolved,
• Making a false statement to the DVLA that no appeal was received.

Rather than investigating these points, the Step 1 response provided a boilerplate explanation about the lawful release of data to ATA members and redirected me to the BPA, despite my complaint being about post-access misuse of data—not the initial request. This is a wholly inadequate response.

The DVLA is the Data Controller for keeper data released under KADOE. It is not enough to say that operators are members of an ATA. The PPSCoP is incorporated into the KADOE contract, and continued access is conditional on compliance. Once an operator breaches that Code, as has occurred here, their use of the data becomes unlawful. The DVLA’s obligation as Data Controller is to investigate misuse, especially when it continues after notification.

Private Parking Solutions (London) Ltd has clearly breached the Code of Practice and misused my personal data. Worse still, they have misled the DVLA. The Step 1 response failed to consider this, failed to verify basic facts, and failed to fulfil the DVLA’s own oversight obligations under the UK GDPR and the Data Protection Act 2018.

I am now requesting a proper investigation at Step 2. The evidence proves that correspondence was sent and ignored. This renders the operator’s continued use of my data unlawful and the false representation to the DVLA an aggravating factor. I ask the DVLA to take action under the KADOE contract and to confirm what steps will be taken, including warning, suspension, or termination of access.

Attached:

• Copy of formal complaint email sent 22 March 2025 (CC’d copy)
• Copy of follow-up email [INSERT DATE] (CC’d copy)

Name: [INSERT YOUR NAME]
Date: [INSERT TODAY'S DATE]
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: stomp84 on April 30, 2025, 03:01:09 pm
Got a replay from the DVLA

They are claiming PPS have said they haven’t got an appeal from me

Please see their response in the attachment

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Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: stomp84 on April 25, 2025, 10:49:42 am
Thanks

I have sent a follow up the formal complaint and started the complaint process with the DVLA

I will come back one I get any info back from them
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: b789 on April 25, 2025, 09:40:22 am
This is what you do now... You respond to PPS with the following:

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Subject: Follow-Up: Outstanding Formal Complaint – No Response Received

Dear Sir/Madam,

On 22nd March 2025, I submitted a formal complaint relating to the Notice to Keeper issued on 12th March 2025. To date, I have received no response or acknowledgement.

I remind you that Section 11.2 of the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) requires you to treat complaints relating to a parking charge as appeals, and Section 11.3.1 requires a response.

You are now in breach of both.

I will escalate this breach to both the DVLA and, once I have documented your failure to comply with your internal complaints process, to the BPA. If no full and specific reply is received by [insert date five working days from now], I will consider your complaints procedure exhausted due to your non-compliance, and will inform the BPA accordingly.

I repeat my request for confirmation of the date the NtK entered the postal system (as per Section 8.1.2(e)) and a full reply to all points raised.

Sincerely,

[Your name]
Registered Keeper

You also follow this advice on how to make a DVLA complaint:

Here’s how to make a DVLA complaint:

• Go to: https://contact.dvla.gov.uk/complaints
• Select: “Making a complaint or compliment about the Vehicles service you have received”
• Enter your personal details, contact details, and vehicle details
• Use the text box to summarise your complaint or insert a covering note
• You will then be able to upload a file (up to 19.5 MB) — this can be your full complaint or supporting evidence
That’s it.

The DVLA is required to record, investigate and respond to every complaint about a private parking company. If everyone who encounters a breach took the time to submit a complaint, we might finally see the DVLA take meaningful action—whether that means curtailing or removing KADOE access altogether.

For the text part of the complaint the webform could use the following:

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I am submitting a formal complaint against Private Parking Solutions (London) Ltd, a BPA Approved Operator Scheme member with DVLA KADOE access, for breaching the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) after obtaining my personal data.

While the Operator may have had reasonable cause at the time of their KADOE request, their subsequent misuse of my data—through conduct that contravenes the PPSCoP—renders that use unlawful. The PPSCoP forms an integral part of the DVLA’s governance framework for data access by private parking firms. Continued access is conditional on compliance.

The DVLA, as data controller, is obliged under UK GDPR and the Data Protection Act 2018 to investigate and take enforcement action when data is misused following release. This complaint is not about whether the data was obtained lawfully at the outset, but whether its subsequent use breached the terms under which it was provided.

I have prepared a supporting statement setting out the nature of the breach and the Operator’s actions, and I request a full investigation into this matter. I have attached the supporting document.

Please acknowledge receipt and confirm the reference number for this complaint.

Then you could upload the following as a PDF file for the formal complaint itself:

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SUPPORTING STATEMENT

Complaint to DVLA – Breach of KADOE Contract and PPSCoP

Operator name: Private Parking Solutions (London) Ltd
Date of PCN issue: 12 March 2025
Vehicle registration: [INSERT VRM]

I am submitting this complaint to report a misuse of my personal data by Private Parking Solutions (London) Ltd, who obtained my keeper details from the DVLA under the KADOE (Keeper At Date Of Event) contract.

Although the parking company may have had reasonable cause to request my data initially, the way they have used that data afterwards amounts to unlawful processing. This is because they have acted in breach of the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP), which is a mandatory requirement for access to DVLA keeper data. The PPSCoP forms part of the framework that regulates how parking companies must behave once they have received keeper data from the DVLA.

The KADOE contract makes clear that keeper data may only be used to pursue an unpaid parking charge in line with the Code of Practice. If a parking company fails to comply with the PPSCoP after receiving DVLA data, their use of that data becomes unlawful, as they are no longer using it for a permitted purpose.

In this case, Private Parking Solutions (London) Ltd has breached the PPSCoP in the following ways:

• They issued a Notice to Keeper (NtK) that fails to specify a “period of parking”, as required under PoFA Schedule 4 para 9(2)(a). Only a single timestamp is given, which cannot evidence a parking period, as confirmed in Brennan v Premier Parking Solutions (2023) [H6DP632H].
• The NtK fails to identify the creditor, contrary to PoFA 9(2)(h), using only the phrase “We, the creditor...” with no named party identified.
• The location described in the NtK is vague and inaccurate, listing multiple roads and an incorrect postcode (UB8 2RZ), which does not correspond to the location of the alleged contravention (UB8 2RP). This fails to meet the requirement to “specify the land” under PoFA 9(2)(a).
• The charge relates to a prohibited activity (“Parking in a No Parking Area”), which is incapable of forming a contract. As confirmed in PCM v Bull, prohibitive signage does not offer terms capable of acceptance.
• The operator has failed to respond or even acknowledge a formal complaint submitted on 22 March 2025, in breach of PPSCoP Sections 11.2 and 11.3.1, which require complaints to be treated as appeals and responded to in a timely manner. A reminder notice dated 11 April 2025 was issued instead, showing active continuation of enforcement despite the outstanding complaint.

These are not minor or technical breaches. They show a clear disregard for the standards required under the current single Code. As a result, the operator is no longer entitled to use the keeper data they obtained from the DVLA, because the purpose for which it was provided (a fair and lawful pursuit of a charge under the Code) no longer applies.

The DVLA remains the Data Controller for the data it releases under KADOE, and is therefore responsible for ensuring that personal data is not misused by third parties. This includes taking action against AOS operators who breach the conditions under which the data was provided. I am therefore asking the DVLA to investigate this breach and to take appropriate action under the terms of the KADOE contract.

This may include:

• Confirming that a breach has occurred
• Taking enforcement action against the operator
•Suspending or terminating their KADOE access if warranted

I have attached relevant supporting material with this statement. Please confirm receipt and provide a reference for this complaint. I am also happy to provide further information if required.

Name: [INSERT YOUR NAME]
Date: [INSERT DATE]
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: stomp84 on April 24, 2025, 11:14:05 pm
Update to this

I never heard anything back from them after I sent the formal complaint by email

Today I got another letter through the post asking for the payment again.

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Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: b789 on March 22, 2025, 06:26:37 pm
As long as you also CC'd in yourself and have received your copy, that should be enough for now.
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: stomp84 on March 22, 2025, 05:33:51 pm
NO. You are not sending it as an appeal. It is a formal complaint. If the email bounces, as I suspect it may, due to their servers being down, you can send it as a letter and obtain a free "Proof or Posting" certificate from any Post Office.


Ok thanks

I’ve sent the email. No bounce back as far as I can see has come back into my inbox.
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: b789 on March 22, 2025, 05:11:33 pm
NO. You are not sending it as an appeal. It is a formal complaint. If the email bounces, as I suspect it may, due to their servers being down, you can send it as a letter and obtain a free "Proof or Posting" certificate from any Post Office.
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: stomp84 on March 22, 2025, 04:34:34 pm
The NtK is not PoFA complaint as it does not specify the period of parking as required under paragraph 9(2)(a). The notice also states that it was issued on 12th March. However, if you only received it today, 22nd March, you need to challenge them to provide evidence of the date it was actually posted or it entered the postal system.

Rather than appeal, You should send a formal complaint requiring them to provide the necessary evidence of posting. They are obliged to treat any complaint as an appeal anyway.

Send the following to info@privateparkingsolutions.co.uk and also CC in yourself. I have just checked their domain and it is down at the moment, so if the email bounces back to you, keep it as evidence.


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Subject: FORMAL COMPLAINT – Non-compliant Notice to Keeper dated 22 March 2025

Dear Sir/Madam,

I write as the Registered Keeper in relation to a Notice to Keeper (NtK), reference number: [PCN ref number], received on 22 March 2025 concerning an alleged contravention dated 12 March 2025.

This letter constitutes a formal complaint, which you are obliged to treat as an appeal under Section 11.2 of the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP). A full and reasoned response is required, and the issues raised below must be addressed in detail.

1. Inadequate Location Description

The NtK states the location as:

"UXBRIDGE IND EST, Wallingford Rd, Salisbury Rd, Arundel Rd, UXBRIDGE, UB8 2RZ"

This is not a single identifiable site but rather a broad grouping of separate roads which extend well beyond any identifiable 'Ind Est'. Additionally, UB8 2RZ is not a postcode that covers all those roads—on the contrary, it relates to a specific location, whereas the alleged contravention occurred at a different postcode entirely (UB8 2RP). This fails to satisfy PoFA Schedule 4, paragraph 9(2)(a), which requires the notice to “specify the land on which the vehicle was parked”. A vague and potentially misleading group reference is not sufficient.

2. No 'Period of Parking' Specified

The NtK merely states a single timestamp. PoFA para 9(2)(a) requires that the NtK “specify the period of parking to which the notice relates”. A single moment in time does not evidence a period of parking. This principle was clearly addressed in Brennan v Premier Parking Solutions (2023) [H6DP632H], where the Judge held that a timestamp alone is insufficient to demonstrate a period of parking. Without a specified duration and certainly not less than the consideration period, the NtK fails to establish that any contravention occurred, and thus keeper liability cannot arise.

3. Allegation is Prohibitive, Not Contractual

The allegation is “Parking in a No Parking Area”. This denotes a clear prohibition, not a contractual term. As per the reasoning in PCM v Bull (2016) [B4GF26K6], prohibitive signage cannot form the basis of a contract, as it offers no consideration or terms capable of acceptance. As no contract could have been formed, there can be no breach of contract and therefore no keeper liability under PoFA.

4. Failure to Identify the Creditor

The NtK uses the phrase “We, the creditor, require payment...” without identifying who “we” refers to. This is in breach of PoFA paragraph 9(2)(h), which requires that the notice must identify the creditor—meaning the specific legal entity to whom any liability would be owed. A generic and ambiguous reference that could be either the landowner, their agent or the operator is insufficient.

5. Postal Compliance and Proof of Service

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) was delivered on 22nd March 2025, Pursuant to PPSCoP Section 8.1.2(e), you are required to provide “evidence of the actual date on which the notice entered the postal system”. I request that you provide that evidence, including whether the notice was posted via Royal Mail and on what date. Given the nature of hybrid mail systems, I reserve the right to challenge presumed service unless the necessary evidence is provided.

Breach of PPSCoP and KADOE Contract – DVLA Complaint

The deficiencies set out above confirm that this NtK does not comply with the requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. Despite this, the notice contains a keeper liability warning under PoFA. This is a clear breach of the PPSCoP section 8.1.1(d), and thus also a breach of your KADOE contract with the DVLA.

Please note that I will be escalating this matter as a formal complaint to the DVLA, regardless of your decision to cancel or uphold the PCN, due to the misrepresentation of keeper liability and the non-compliance with mandatory requirements.

You are required to respond to this complaint in full. A failure to do so or a generic reply will be treated as further evidence of disregard for the Code of Practice and will be referenced in my DVLA complaint as well as a formal complaint to the BPA.

Yours faithfully,

[Full name]
Registered Keeper


Thanks for this

If the email is down can I use this template in the appeals section aswell just so I know the ball is rolling with them

Sorry if it’s a basic question but I’m not very up to speed with all these process’s. First ticket in 25 years of driving.
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: b789 on March 22, 2025, 04:27:42 pm
The NtK is not PoFA complaint as it does not specify the period of parking as required under paragraph 9(2)(a). The notice also states that it was issued on 12th March. However, if you only received it today, 22nd March, you need to challenge them to provide evidence of the date it was actually posted or it entered the postal system.

Rather than appeal, You should send a formal complaint requiring them to provide the necessary evidence of posting. They are obliged to treat any complaint as an appeal anyway.

Send the following to info@privateparkingsolutions.co.uk and also CC in yourself. I have just checked their domain and it is down at the moment, so if the email bounces back to you, keep it as evidence.


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Subject: FORMAL COMPLAINT – Non-compliant Notice to Keeper dated 22 March 2025

Dear Sir/Madam,

I write as the Registered Keeper in relation to a Notice to Keeper (NtK), reference number: [PCN ref number], received on 22 March 2025 concerning an alleged contravention dated 12 March 2025.

This letter constitutes a formal complaint, which you are obliged to treat as an appeal under Section 11.2 of the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP). A full and reasoned response is required, and the issues raised below must be addressed in detail.

1. Inadequate Location Description

The NtK states the location as:

"UXBRIDGE IND EST, Wallingford Rd, Salisbury Rd, Arundel Rd, UXBRIDGE, UB8 2RZ"

This is not a single identifiable site but rather a broad grouping of separate roads which extend well beyond any identifiable 'Ind Est'. Additionally, UB8 2RZ is not a postcode that covers all those roads—on the contrary, it relates to a specific location, whereas the alleged contravention occurred at a different postcode entirely (UB8 2RP). This fails to satisfy PoFA Schedule 4, paragraph 9(2)(a), which requires the notice to “specify the land on which the vehicle was parked”. A vague and potentially misleading group reference is not sufficient.

2. No 'Period of Parking' Specified

The NtK merely states a single timestamp. PoFA para 9(2)(a) requires that the NtK “specify the period of parking to which the notice relates”. A single moment in time does not evidence a period of parking. This principle was clearly addressed in Brennan v Premier Parking Solutions (2023) [H6DP632H], where the Judge held that a timestamp alone is insufficient to demonstrate a period of parking. Without a specified duration and certainly not less than the consideration period, the NtK fails to establish that any contravention occurred, and thus keeper liability cannot arise.

3. Allegation is Prohibitive, Not Contractual

The allegation is “Parking in a No Parking Area”. This denotes a clear prohibition, not a contractual term. As per the reasoning in PCM v Bull (2016) [B4GF26K6], prohibitive signage cannot form the basis of a contract, as it offers no consideration or terms capable of acceptance. As no contract could have been formed, there can be no breach of contract and therefore no keeper liability under PoFA.

4. Failure to Identify the Creditor

The NtK uses the phrase “We, the creditor, require payment...” without identifying who “we” refers to. This is in breach of PoFA paragraph 9(2)(h), which requires that the notice must identify the creditor—meaning the specific legal entity to whom any liability would be owed. A generic and ambiguous reference that could be either the landowner, their agent or the operator is insufficient.

5. Postal Compliance and Proof of Service

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) was delivered on 22nd March 2025, Pursuant to PPSCoP Section 8.1.2(e), you are required to provide “evidence of the actual date on which the notice entered the postal system”. I request that you provide that evidence, including whether the notice was posted via Royal Mail and on what date. Given the nature of hybrid mail systems, I reserve the right to challenge presumed service unless the necessary evidence is provided.

Breach of PPSCoP and KADOE Contract – DVLA Complaint

The deficiencies set out above confirm that this NtK does not comply with the requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. Despite this, the notice contains a keeper liability warning under PoFA. This is a clear breach of the PPSCoP section 8.1.1(d), and thus also a breach of your KADOE contract with the DVLA.

Please note that I will be escalating this matter as a formal complaint to the DVLA, regardless of your decision to cancel or uphold the PCN, due to the misrepresentation of keeper liability and the non-compliance with mandatory requirements.

You are required to respond to this complaint in full. A failure to do so or a generic reply will be treated as further evidence of disregard for the Code of Practice and will be referenced in my DVLA complaint as well as a formal complaint to the BPA.

Yours faithfully,

[Full name]
Registered Keeper
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: stomp84 on March 22, 2025, 03:56:04 pm
Reuploaded as forget to retract something

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Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: stomp84 on March 22, 2025, 03:08:18 pm
Letter received

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Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: stomp84 on March 22, 2025, 03:07:48 pm
Letter received today
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: stomp84 on March 12, 2025, 06:55:39 pm
Just to clear up a misunderstanding.

I revived a parking ticket in the regards I witnessed the parking enforcer taking my photo and when I challenged him he told me to expect a ticket in the post

This was 2 days ago and I’ve not got it yet. I’m trying to get ahead of it with the advice.

When it turns up I will post it here.
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: b789 on March 12, 2025, 06:47:09 pm
Show the Notice to Keeper (NtK) you received. They have no idea of the drivers identity and unless their NtK fully complies with all the requirements of PoFA, they cannot hold the Keeper liable. If the NtK does not state a "period of parking", or even it if does but it is less than 5 minutes, the NtK is not PoFA compliant.

Unfortunately, the vat majority of people that receive these PCNs have no idea of their rights and how to properly challenge them. If you're here receiving advice and following it, you will not be paying penny.
Title: Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: DWMB2 on March 12, 2025, 06:32:10 pm
Welcome to FTLA.
To help us provide the best advice, please read the following thread carefully and provide as much of the information it asks for as you are able to: READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide (https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/)

Title: Uxbridge industrial estate
Post by: stomp84 on March 12, 2025, 06:23:56 pm
I received a parking ticket on Uxbridge Industrial Estate. The nature of the events have me questioning the legality of it
On Uxbridge Industrial Estate a company has purchased two of the roads to make the private.

Business still operate on the road and the road looks like any other road on an industrial estate I was visiting a customer for a days work. Pulled in the industrial state and followed the sat nav to their premises. Upon reaching the place I found there car park was full with no place to park.

I pulled up on the road outside to ring their bell to ask about parking. No double yellows were visible on the roads.
It must have been less than 30 seconds between me getting out my car and them opening the door and the guy at the door informed me I was getting a ticket.

I turned around to see another car parked behind mine taking a photo of my car. I was informed by the customer that they get everyone round there.

After this I did then notice the signs at the side of the road indicating it was a private road and no parking was allowed.
I watched for 5-10 mins to witness 2 cars driving up and down the road following cars onto the road and as soon as they pulled over they would ticket them immediately. Lorry's and van drivers making deliveries all got ticketed as soon as they pulled onto the side of road and left the vehicle.

Obviously I am very annoyed by this as I believe I was put into a situation where this was unavoidable.

Only a heads up from the customer which they didn't give me would have made me aware of the situation. Even to pull over to read the signs would have been too late to avoid a ticket
My questions are how legal this practice is ?

The customer and my company are both refusing to pay this ticket for me.

I can pay within 14 days to reduce it from £100 to £60

I can appeal but l'm not sure how much chance I will get as I have no proof I was only 30 seconds parked

I could refuse to pay and let them take me to court. Would a small claims court side with me to say it's ridiculous and predatory behaviour from this company.