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General discussion => The Flame Pit => Topic started by: lelolzzz on March 11, 2025, 11:36:43 am
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Has the OP been served a NIP as they are now outside the 14 day window? do they require one to be convicted of any driving offence?
I suppose they can still be served a S172 where they have to say who was driving or face 6 points but if they are in the clear regarding driving offences they can name themselves.
The only question is what was inside the car that the OP was afraid of being found? Is it worth 6 points to avoid further incriminating themselves regarding that.
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Do you think they bothered getting a locksmith to search inside the car?
You should assume that if they had the car examined by forensics they will have examined the inside as well as the outside. I imagine specialist forensic vehicle examiners have no difficulty opening vehicles without the key. Your driving and then doing a runner would be all they need to justify them opening the car. That's just an assumption by me, I've no personal knowledge or experience of this.
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Was the car registered to you? Taxed? Insured? Do you have a valid licence?
yes to everything
Do you think they bothered getting a locksmith to search inside the car?
you locked it before doing a runner? didn't leave the keys?
not difficult to work out who would fo that is it.
Yeah I managed to lock the car, I'd lost them quite a while before parking up so no body actually saw who exited the car.
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Was the car registered to you? Taxed? Insured? Do you have a valid licence?
yes to everything
Do you think they bothered getting a locksmith to search inside the car?
you locked it before doing a runner? didn't leave the keys?
not difficult to work out who would fo that is it.
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Given the op is very concerned about whether they searched the car I can only imagine there was something in the car he didn’t want the police to find, which he left in the car when he fled the scene. Presumably he didn’t want to be caught with it on his possession either which is why he left it.
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But why on earth do a runner in the first place? That sort of thing is never going to end well. Was the car registered to you? Taxed? Insured? Do you have a valid licence?
yes to everything
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Clearly the police should have been able to satisfy themselves that despite the driver doing a runner, the car was never involved in any criminal activities without wasting their time checking it for any evidence of criminal activities that might cause the driver to decide that doing a runner was in his best interests. Clearly they just can't get the staff these days.
I think you’re expecting a bit too much critical thinking from someone who did a runner from the police.
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But why on earth do a runner in the first place? That sort of thing is never going to end well. Was the car registered to you? Taxed? Insured? Do you have a valid licence?
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Clearly the police should have been able to satisfy themselves that despite the driver doing a runner, the car was never involved in any criminal activities without wasting their time checking it for any evidence of criminal activities that might cause the driver to decide that doing a runner was in his best interests. Clearly they just can't get the staff these days.
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I might have missed it, did the police actually seize the car?
I think that is unknown.
It was seized, but I got a call 7 days after the seizure telling me they're done with 'forensics' and they're going to arrange for me to get it back (still dealing with this). What would 'forensics' usually entail under these circumstances? Do you think they bothered getting a locksmith to search inside the car? (and do all that in 7 days?)
Or is it perhaps a scare tactic to give information?
Apart from the chase the car was never involved in any criminal activity I'm surprised they're even checking it.
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When something similar happened to my son the car was seized under s165A RTA1988.
A letter arrived in the post to the RK with details on how to recover the vehicle.
He also panicked, sped away from the Police, parked his car in a side road and ran. The Police found it and towed it.
However, they did come knocking and had video footage of him driving so couldn't really deny anything. After a stiff talking to he was offered an awareness course (£95) in lieu of careless driving prosecution. (And had to pay to recover his vehicle - around £150)
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I might have missed it, did the police actually seize the car?
I think that is unknown.
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I might have missed it, did the police actually seize the car?
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As a general rule of thumb, there is little harm in telling the police what they can already prove.
Sometimes, appearing contrite/cooperative can be advantageous, particularly if there is an element of discretion on the table. Sometimes, that ship sailed a long time ago (or whatever time Monday night you outran them).
thank you. out of curiosity, will they outline the steps on how to get my car back? it hasn't been involved in any other legal complications. Do you think I could get it back soon?
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Also, don't forget the other (arguably more important) bit of the caution 'if you fail to mention something which you later rely on in court.......'
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As a general rule of thumb, there is little harm in telling the police what they can already prove.
Sometimes, appearing contrite/cooperative can be advantageous, particularly if there is an element of discretion on the table. Sometimes, that ship sailed a long time ago (or whatever time Monday night you outran them).
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what makes you think I get arrested? would they do that for dangerous driving? what beneift would it give them?
It's just about a given you will be arrested, so they can caution you and use what you say as evidence. This isn't going to be some cosy fireside chat.
Be aware if you are arrested, they will ask you if you want legal representation (i.e. a duty solicitor). If you say yes and there is a delay getting hold of one, you could find yourself put in a cell for the duration (been there, got the t-shirt).
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It’s probably when they are on shift. Do not be surprised if you’re arrested.
I spoke to a solicitor and he recommended saying no comment throughout, apart from identification questions. I might even say no comment to who was driving. if they have no evidence 6 points is better than a ban.
what makes you think I get arrested? would they do that for dangerous driving? what beneift would it give them?
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It’s probably when they are on shift. Do not be surprised if you’re arrested.
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Just be careful in case Chief Inspector Corner of the Yard is on here monitoring this forum and reporting back.
Depending on if they were actually wanting to stop you in the first place you'd be looking at failing to stop, and potentially careless/dangerous driving offences. They'd then be looking at the actual car itself - VED, insurance, MOT etc, and you could expect a knock at the door with them wanting to have a look around to see what you may have been trying to hide by running off from them before any other potential charges may be looked at.
The only way to know what will happen next is to go and speak with them as said above.
I called and the leading officer said that they want to see me in person at the station, but late at night. is this normal?
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Just be careful in case Chief Inspector Corner of the Yard is on here monitoring this forum and reporting back.
Depending on if they were actually wanting to stop you in the first place you'd be looking at failing to stop, and potentially careless/dangerous driving offences. They'd then be looking at the actual car itself - VED, insurance, MOT etc, and you could expect a knock at the door with them wanting to have a look around to see what you may have been trying to hide by running off from them before any other potential charges may be looked at.
The only way to know what will happen next is to go and speak with them as said above.
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could I refuse to identify the driver and just get 6 points? better than a dangerous driving charge or whatever
Depending on why you were running, they may obtain forensics, CCTV etc to prove who was driving.
I got scared an ran away. I have no previous history with crime, at all, ever, whether traffic or otherwise. So there wasn't a marker on my car or anything like that.
At first I made a turn off the road, thinking they didnt follow and I subtlety got away with it. When I saw their blue lights behind me I got scared and doubled down, leading to a full blown chase.
The incident happened at night. so hopefully nothing from CCTV?
obviously if I admit I was the driver, I would be done for dangerous driving, because they ended up finding my car and seizing it which means they probably have enough evidence against the car.
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could I refuse to identify the driver and just get 6 points? better than a dangerous driving charge or whatever
Depending on why you were running, they may obtain forensics, CCTV etc to prove who was driving.
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What will I expect as a punishment?
That would depend on what you are charged with and/or what they can prove.
Assuming that this isn't a hilarious wind-up by some bent ex-coppers, people who run away from the police (at 3 times the speed limit) generally do so for reasons other than that they might or might not have been caught speeding.
could I refuse to identify the driver and just get 6 points? better than a dangerous driving charge or whatever
thanks
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What will I expect as a punishment?
That would depend on what you are charged with and/or what they can prove.
Assuming that this isn't a hilarious wind-up by some bent ex-coppers, people who run away from the police (at 3 times the speed limit) generally do so for reasons other than that they might or might not have been caught speeding.
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It has been said report the car as stolen and you will find out if it has been seized. You don’t say whether the car parked at your home was left on the road. Did you have insurance tax etc. It may have been seized for this if you didn’t.
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The car may have been stolen - coincidences do happen.
If you report the theft, you will soon hear if it has been seized.
If the car is seized, under these circumstances does the police have the power to forcefully enter the vehicle and search it?
I don't know, but the fact that you "ran away" will have raised suspicions that you were engaged in something much more serious than speeding.
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I'm impressed you ran away at over three times the speed limit.
Have you thought about the 2028 Olympics in LA?
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The car may have been stolen - coincidences do happen.
If you report the theft, you will soon hear if it has been seized.
If the car is seized, under these circumstances does the police have the power to forcefully enter the vehicle and search it?
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The car may have been stolen - coincidences do happen.
If you report the theft, you will soon hear if it has been seized.
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They were always at least 100 metres so behind so I thought ANPR wouldn't get my reg.
This would explain it:
I was driving quick and a police car from the other direction saw me.
If the police car was coming from the opposite direction and they had an onboard camera, it would have recorded your number plate when they passed you.
If you want your car back then I think you know what to do and that's to contact the police. If the car is registered in your name and the address is correct, you will probably be hearing from them fairly soon anyway, either by letter or a knock at the door.
What will I expect as a punishment?
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They were always at least 100 metres so behind so I thought ANPR wouldn't get my reg.
This would explain it:
I was driving quick and a police car from the other direction saw me.
If the police car was coming from the opposite direction and they had an onboard camera, it would have recorded your number plate when they passed you.
If you want your car back then I think you know what to do and that's to contact the police. If the car is registered in your name and the address is correct, you will probably be hearing from them fairly soon anyway, either by letter or a knock at the door.
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I was driving quick and a police car from the other direction saw me.
I ran away,and they started chasing me. I probably ended up doing almost triple the speed limit at points.
They were always at least 100 metres so behind so I thought ANPR wouldn't get my reg.
I managed to run away and parked my car somewhere for a few hours. I later went back and drove it home.
This morning, I woke up and noticed my car was missing. Presumably they seized it. (Very bizarre, because it was all in a matter of 4 hours).
What do I do here. I'm really lost as to what to do. I'd really appreciate your advice.
Thank you