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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: pleasehelp on March 10, 2025, 10:56:22 am

Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: b789 on April 01, 2025, 07:02:40 pm
Well, they would say that because they are hoping you are low-hanging fruit and easy to reach.

Which bit from this post was unclear?

TO be brutally honest with you, I don't think you have any chance at POPLA. What you have shown us above is not going to work, especially as you have simply copied and pasted from elsewhere bits that you think sound OK bat are totally irrelevant to your PCN.

I already explained why the PoFA argument is not going to work because the PCN was fully compliant with PoFA in the first place. So, whitening on about no Keeper liability, especially that the NtK wasn't given within 14 days of the alleged contravention is never going to work because to was issued only 3 days after the event!

Not being successful at POPLA does not mean that you have to pay the charge. The POPLA decision has no bearing on anything going forwards.

You say you can't afford the charge. Well, you wouldn't be able to afford it if it went all the way to court and you were unsuccessful because by then it will have increased to around £250. However, that does not mean that you'd be unsuccessful and the odds of it actually going all the way to a hearing conclusion is low.

Within the litigation process, you will have an opportunity to have a mediator discuss between you and the claimant an acceptable resolution. For example, you could come to an agreement to an acceptably mutual sum. You could also offer to pay that agreed sum in instalments... and so on.

If it were me in your situation and knowing what I do about the whole process, I would not worry about POPLA. I would let it go all the way to litigation and once I knew which firm of incompetent bulk litigators they use, I would then decide on whether to try and come to an agreement during mediation or, just let them issue a Claim and wait for them to discontinue.

There is always an element of risk in this strategy but I am only telling you what my position would be if I were in your shoes but with my knowledge of how these things play out.

You have a choice and we are prepared to assist. You either take our experience and use it or you go your own route. Choices.
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: pleasehelp on April 01, 2025, 06:48:58 pm
As quoted in MET letter below, if you opt to appeal to POPLA, and should POPLA's decision NOT go in your favour, you will be required to pay the full amount of £100.00. Also, if you choose to do nothing, we will seek to recover the monies owed to us via our debt recovery procedures and may
proceed with court action. Although it's unfair, you said I can't win POPLA, so either pay now for £60, else £100 if POPLA going to reject my appeal, or I ignore the letter and have constant harassment from debt collector knocking on my door and worse is I have to pay £250 when I have to go to court....what choices do I have?

Snippet of appeal reply below:
"""
We are confident that our notice to keeper complies in all respects with the requirements of the Protection of Freedoms
Act
This decision, which has been based on the facts of the case and takes into account our consideration of any mitigating
circumstances, is our final decision. You have reached the end of our internal appeals procedure and you now have a
number of options:
1. Pay or, if you were not the driver of the vehicle at the time of the incident, request the driver to pay the parking charge
at the prevailing price of £60.00 within 14 days of today's date. Please note that if payment is not received by this date
the parking charge will be payable at £100.00 and further costs will accrue if the case is passed to our debt resolution
agents for collection or if we need to proceed with court action to collect the money due to us. Payment may be made
online at www.paymetparking.com or by phone on 020 3781 7471.
2. Make an appeal to POPLA, the Independent Appeals Service, within 28 days of the date of this letter by going to the
online appeals system at: www.popla.co.uk using verification code: 3860845071 Please note that POPLA will consider
the evidence of both parties and make their decision based upon the facts and application of the relevant law. Please
note that if you opt to appeal to POPLA, and should POPLA's decision NOT go in your favour, you will be required to
pay the full amount of £100.00. Please note if the contravention occurred in Scotland only the driver may appeal to
POPLA. By law we are also required to inform you that Ombudsman Services (www.ombudsman-services.org) provides
an alternative dispute resolution service that would be competent to deal with your appeal. However, we have not
chosen to participate in their alternative dispute resolution service. As such should you wish to appeal then you must do
so to POPLA as explained above.
3. If you choose to do nothing, we will seek to recover the monies owed to us via our debt recovery procedures and may
proceed with court action.
"""
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: b789 on April 01, 2025, 12:16:44 pm
Why on earth would just pay if you honestly believe that the PCN has been issued unfairly. You sound just like the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree that these firms prey on.

If you are unsuccessful at POPLA, so what? A POPLA decision is not binding on you. Debt recovery agent letters can. be safely ignored as they are powerless to actually do anything.

A county court claim is actually a good thing. It is the ultimate dispute resolution service. Why do you think that you will automatically lose? In the vast majority of claims we assist with, they are either struck out or discontinued. Of the very few that ever go all the way to an actual hearing, most are won.
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: pleasehelp on April 01, 2025, 12:11:06 pm
Slough - The Prince Of Wales. WINDSOR ROAD SLOUGH, SL1 2JD

but does it matter?  I was going to appeal with the points below

*No valid contract was formed due to inadequate signage, including a poorly visible entrance sign.
*The charge is unfair and unenforceable under the Consumer Rights Act 2015.
*MET Parking Services failed to provide a grace period or consider extenuating circumstances, in breach of the BPA Code of Practice.
*The charge is punitive and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss, making it an unenforceable penalty.


But apparently whatever I thought could be a good reason for the appeal turns out POPLA is not interested/will ignored according to the advice given here. So either pay them or just turn out to be continuous threatening by debt collector and dreading long wait which I may be taken to court and eventually have to pay anyway?!
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: b789 on March 31, 2025, 01:55:45 pm
I don't disagree. However, you'd be pressed to persuade a POPLA assessor of that unless it was so generic as to create ambiguity. I have had successful POPLA appeals against ParkingEye where they have issued an NtK with the locations simply stated as: Lidl St Neots. There are two Lidl's in St Neots and as the address didn't clarify which of the two possible stores it as for, the appeal was upheld.

The test I apply for  this is you put what is in the address exactly as stated on the notice and it comes up with more than one option, then the address is not PoFA compliant as a relevant location.
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: H C Andersen on March 31, 2025, 09:47:41 am
I asked because the location is supposed to be clear in the NTK.

The "Prince of Wales" in Slough refers to a former pub, now a McDonald's restaurant, located on Windsor Road and known for its drive-thru service

A former pub. So it's not a postal address but a heritage reference!

And OP, on the subject of drive-thru, could you take us through what happened. You refer to collection which would be consistent with drive-thru.

But not the two ordering times.

Why not just start at the beginning.

The driver drove in to what they now know is a former pub and.......
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: b789 on March 31, 2025, 01:04:20 am
Just put “McDonald’s Prince of Wales, Slough” and it comes up n Google maps.
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: H C Andersen on March 30, 2025, 08:15:51 pm
No. The address where the alleged breach occurred. You redacted the post code and I cannot find McDonald's Prince of Wales.
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: pleasehelp on March 30, 2025, 06:09:32 pm
PCN? do  you mean what is MET parking services registered office address?
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: H C Andersen on March 30, 2025, 03:40:52 pm
What's the address on the PCN?
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: b789 on March 30, 2025, 02:12:29 pm
TO be brutally honest with you, I don't think you have any chance at POPLA. What you have shown us above is not going to work, especially as you have simply copied and pasted from elsewhere bits that you think sound OK bat are totally irrelevant to your PCN.

I already explained why the PoFA argument is not going to work because the PCN was fully compliant with PoFA in the first place. So, whitening on about no Keeper liability, especially that the NtK wasn't given within 14 days of the alleged contravention is never going to work because to was issued only 3 days after the event!

Not being successful at POPLA does not mean that you have to pay the charge. The POPLA decision has no bearing on anything going forwards.

You say you can't afford the charge. Well, you wouldn't be able to afford it if it went all the way to court and you were unsuccessful because by then it will have increased to around £250. However, that does not mean that you'd be unsuccessful and the odds of it actually going all the way to a hearing conclusion is low.

Within the litigation process, you will have an opportunity to have a mediator discuss between you and the claimant an acceptable resolution. For example, you could come to an agreement to an acceptably mutual sum. You could also offer to pay that agreed sum in instalments... and so on.

If it were me in your situation and knowing what I do about the whole process, I would not worry about POPLA. I would let it go all the way to litigation and once I knew which firm of incompetent bulk litigators they use, I would then decide on whether to try and come to an agreement during mediation or, just let them issue a Claim and wait for them to discontinue.

There is always an element of risk in this strategy but I am only telling you what my position would be if I were in your shoes but with my knowledge of how these things play out.
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: G6PRK on March 30, 2025, 12:14:49 pm
I'm confused. Admittedly I haven't read both drafts fully but in both you are claiming the NtK is not PoFA compliant when you've been told repeatedly here that it is...

Copy/paste appeals are absolutely fine if the circumstances are identical - but where they aren't you must be discerning about which elements to use, and construct one that is a true reflection of your case.
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: pleasehelp on March 30, 2025, 12:06:42 pm
I have amended the appeal to below, do I still stand a chance for this appeal? Felt like running out of reasons now, does it mean there is no choice but have to force to pay this, which I really don't have the extra money for at the moment?


Case Overview:

I, the registered keeper of the vehicle, received a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) from MET Parking Services, issued as a Notice to Keeper (NtK). I appealed to the Operator, but my appeal was rejected. I contest this charge on the following grounds:

1. No Keeper Liability – Failure to Comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA)

The Operator has failed to meet the strict conditions of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012 necessary to transfer liability from the driver to the registered keeper. Specifically:

The NtK fails to specify the period of parking, which is a requirement under Paragraph 9(2)(a) of PoFA. A timestamp of entry/exit is not the same as a period of parking.

The NtK does not explicitly warn the keeper that they will be liable if the driver is not named, as required by Paragraph 9(2)(f).

The NtK was not delivered within the required timeframe of 14 days from the alleged parking event, as required by Paragraph 9(4).

Because MET Parking Services has failed to comply with PoFA, they cannot transfer liability to me as the keeper. Without identifying the driver, MET has no legal basis to pursue this charge against me.

2. Breach of the PPSSCoP – Misrepresentation of Keeper Liability

MET Parking Services' NtK misleadingly suggests that the registered keeper is liable under PoFA despite their failure to meet the statutory requirements. This misrepresentation violates Section 8.1.1(d) of the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice (PPSSCoP), which explicitly prohibits parking operators from stating that the keeper is liable under PoFA where they cannot legally enforce such liability.

Since MET Parking Services failed to comply with PoFA but still suggested keeper liability in their NtK, this charge is based on misleading information and should be cancelled.

3. No Valid Contract – Inadequate and Unfair Signage

A parking contract is only enforceable if the terms are clearly displayed and visible. In this case:

The signage at the site is unclear, not prominent, and positioned in a way that does not provide adequate notice.

The signs fail to specify key conditions in a legible and transparent manner, making it difficult for motorists to be aware of and understand the terms before parking.

The Operator claims that signs comply with BS EN 12899-1:2007, but this standard relates to retro-reflectivity, not readability or comprehensibility of contractual terms.

The British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice requires that signs be conspicuous, well-lit, and placed where they can be easily read by motorists before parking—this standard has not been met at the site.

The use of ANPR cameras further complicates clarity, as motorists are not explicitly informed at the point of entry how their data will be used or the exact moment their "parking period" begins.

4. Unfair Terms Under the Consumer Rights Act 2015

The parking charge imposed by MET Parking Services is disproportionate and unfair, violating Sections 62 and 68 of the Consumer Rights Act 2015. The Act states:

A contract term is unfair if it causes a significant imbalance between the trader and consumer to the detriment of the consumer.

Terms must be transparent, written in plain language, and prominent enough for consumers to understand their financial obligations before entering into a contract.

In this case, the signage fails to clearly communicate the contractual terms, including the precise start of the "parking period" under ANPR enforcement. Furthermore, the penalty charge of £100 (or £60 if paid early) is disproportionate to any potential loss suffered by the landowner, as the car park is free for customers within the permitted stay. This suggests the charge is designed to deter rather than reflect a legitimate loss, making it unenforceable under consumer protection laws.

Conclusion:

For the reasons outlined above:

The Operator has failed to establish keeper liability under PoFA due to non-compliance with key statutory requirements.

The NtK misrepresents legal liability, breaching the PPSSCoP.

No valid contract was formed due to inadequate signage.

The charge is unfair and unenforceable under the Consumer Rights Act 2015.

I respectfully request that my appeal is upheld and the Parking Charge Notice is cancelled.
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: b789 on March 29, 2025, 01:05:00 pm
Why do you think that you, the Keeper have no liability when we already told you that the NtK is PoFA compliant?

If you are appealing as the Keeper, and decline to identify the driver, then MET can pursue you for the charge. I think you may be misunderstanding what that means.

If the Keeper is appealing only as the Keeper, irrespective of whether they were the driver or not, they must always refer to the driver in the third party. No "I did this or that". Only "the driver did this or that".

In this case, because the NtK is PoFA compliant, it doesn't make a difference to MET because they can just chase you as the Keeper. Simply stating that there is no Keeper liability without pointing out why, is not an appeal (or defence) point.

I don't see where MET have "conceded" that they are not pursuing the Keeper under the PoFA provisions.

Also. at POPLA, mitigation will not be considered. So, the slow service or whatever, is not METs fault. Whilst mitigation can help if it ever went to a haring in court, that is a different matter.

Again, no GPEOL will not interest POPLA. They will only be looking at the actual contract law. Although you could raise it under the terms of the CRA, most POPLA assessors don't know enough about that to even consider it properly. Again, that is something that would be available to you if it went to court.

Don't pin your hopes on POPLA for this one.
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: jfollows on March 29, 2025, 12:58:32 pm
In what way are Met failing to comply with PoFA? You can’t just say they don’t, you need to explain why not. Where do Met agree that they’re not seeking to use PoFA to hold the registered keeper liable? I can’t see this but I may have missed it. If they do say this, quote it to POPLA, who need leading through the logic at all times.
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: pleasehelp on March 28, 2025, 06:34:55 pm
Thank you for your help so far. Here is my attempt to the appeal, please advice if it's any good. Many thanks!

Case Overview:
I, the registered keeper (“I”/“the Appellant”) of the above vehicle (VRM: _______), received a parking charge notice via post from MET Parking Services (“the Operator”), which purported to be a Notice to Keeper. I appealed to the Operator, who acknowledged and subsequently rejected my appeal. It is my position that, as the registered keeper of the vehicle, I have no liability for the parking charge, and that my appeal should therefore be upheld. My appeal is based on the following grounds:

1. No Keeper Liability – Non-Compliance with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA)
The operator does not know the identity of the driver and is therefore seeking to recover the charge from me, the registered keeper of the vehicle. In order to be able to recover any unpaid charges from me as the registered keeper, the operator must comply with the requirements outlined in Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. MET Parking Services have failed to do so.

As MET Parking Services now concede that they are not seeking to rely on the provisions of PoFA to hold me liable as the keeper, and as there is no evidence as to who was driving, I cannot be held liable for the charge. My appeal should therefore be upheld.

2. Breach of the PPSSCoP – Misrepresentation
The parking charge notice issued by MET Parking Services falsely claimed that they would be able to hold me liable as the registered keeper under the provisions of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act, despite the fact that they were aware (or ought to have been aware) that they had not complied with the relevant conditions to do so. This was confirmed in their response to my appeal, in which they admitted that they were not seeking to hold me liable under PoFA.

This is in direct contravention of section 8.1.1 (d) of the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice (PPSSCoP), which states:

8.1.1 The parking operator must not serve a notice or include material on its website which in its design and/or language:
a) implies or would cause the recipient to infer statutory authority where none exists;
b) deliberately resembles a public authority civil enforcement penalty charge notice;
c) uses prohibited terminology as set out in Annex E; or
d) states the keeper is liable under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 where they cannot be held liable.

For the reasons outlined above, it is clear that as the registered keeper, I have no liability for this charge, and I request that my appeal is upheld.

3. Unfair Parking Charge – Unavoidable Extended Stay Due to Slow Service

The alleged contravention occurred due to circumstances beyond the control of the vehicle’s occupants. The vehicle was parked while its occupants were customers at the establishment, with two separate orders placed at:

First order at 17:56

Second order at 18:40

It was a Sunday evening, and the restaurant was operating at near-full capacity, leading to delays in service. The second order alone took at least 20 minutes to be prepared for collection and consumption. Had the service been quicker, the vehicle would have left within the 90-minute stay limit.

A parking system that penalizes genuine customers who experience slow service due to factors outside their control is both unreasonable and unfair. The operator has failed to account for situations where delays are caused by the business itself, making the charge punitive rather than a genuine parking enforcement measure.

4. Unenforceable Penalty – No Genuine Pre-Estimate of Loss (GPEOL)
The parking charge of £100 (or £60 if paid early) is disproportionate to any potential loss suffered by the landowner. Under contract law, damages for breach should be a genuine pre-estimate of loss rather than a penalty designed to deter.

The car park is free for customers within a set time limit, meaning the landowner suffers no financial loss from the extended stay.

MET Parking Services has not demonstrated how this charge is a genuine estimate of any loss incurred.

The charge appears to be punitive and aimed at generating revenue rather than covering actual losses.

Under the Consumer Rights Act 2015, any contract term that imposes a disproportionate financial burden is considered unfair and unenforceable. In ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67, the court found that a charge may be justified only if it serves a legitimate interest beyond mere deterrence. However, in this case, there is no legitimate interest, as the delay was caused by restaurant service, and no financial loss was suffered by the landowner.

Conclusion
For the reasons outlined above:

The operator has failed to establish keeper liability under PoFA.

The notice misrepresented legal liability, breaching the PPSSCoP.

The extended stay was unavoidable due to slow service, making the charge unfair.

The charge is disproportionate and fails the Genuine Pre-Estimate of Loss test.

I respectfully request that my appeal is upheld and the Parking Charge Notice is cancelled.
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: b789 on March 26, 2025, 03:01:21 pm
What "fine"? You have not been "fined" and I will give you £100 for every occurrence of the word "fine" you can show me in any of the correspondence you have received.

MET Parking is not an authority of any kind that can issue "fines" or "penalties". They are an unregulated private parking company or ex-clampers.

A Parking Charge Notice (PCN) is nothing more than a speculative invoice for an alleged breach of contract by the driver. Do you simply pay any old invoice just because you have received it without disputing it if you don't think it is fair? Of course you appeal to POPLA.

Do a search of the forum for other POPLA appeals and see what you can come up with and then show us before you send anything so that we can advise on any corrections or changes that need to be made.
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: pleasehelp on March 26, 2025, 01:51:45 pm
Appeal letter attached as for your reference. Should I appeal further to POPLA or I actually need to pay the hefty fines?  :'(

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Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: pleasehelp on March 26, 2025, 01:33:42 pm
Felt defeated..... they reply and rejected the appeal, below is their reply.

The terms and conditions of parking are clearly stated on the signs prominently displayed around this site. These
include that parking is for customers whilst on the premises only and that there is a maximum permitted stay in this area
of 90 minutes. Your vehicle remained on site for longer than the maximum permitted stay therefore we believe the
charge was issued correctly and we are upholding it.
We note your comments, however, the time limit was still applicable.
We are confident there are sufficient signs at this location bringing the terms and conditions of parking to the attention of
motorists and it remains the driver's responsibility to check the signs where they park and comply with the terms and
conditions.
We are confident that there are sufficient signs, which are made using a retro-reflective vinyl that meets BS EN 12899-
1:2007 class RA1, the European Harmonised Standard for Road Traffic Signs, at this location bringing the terms and
conditions of parking to the attention of motorists. The signs are visible during the hours of darkness as they reflect light
from the lamp posts they are fixed to, ambient light and light from vehicles themselves. It remains the driver's
responsibility to check the signs where they park and comply with the terms and conditions of parking.



Should I appeal to POPLA?
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: b789 on March 11, 2025, 06:02:00 pm
Unfortunately, that NtK is about as PoFA compliant as you can get. There is a minor technical flaw but it is not likely to be enough to persuade a judge that all the requirements of PoFA have been met.

You could argue that the signs are too small, high up and almost impossible to read as the text is mostly in a minuscule font. The other point is that their statement on the back of the NtK that says: "...please forward your appeal within 28 days from the date of issue of this notice..." is a breach of the PPSCoP section 8.1.2(e) which states:

"The parking operator must ensure that a notice informs the recipient: hat if the recipient appeals within 28 days of RECEIVING the parking charge, the right to pay at the rate applicable when the appeal was made must stand for a further 14 days from the date (subject to 8.1.2d) they receive notification that their appeal has been rejected;"

Appeal for now with the following but don't be surprised when it is rejected:

Quote
Subject: Appeal Against Parking Charge Notice [PCN Reference]

Dear MET Parking Services,

I am appealing as the registered keeper of the vehicle in relation to the above Parking Charge Notice (PCN). I dispute this charge for the following reasons:

1. Inadequate and Unclear Signage

The signage at the site fails the legal test of prominence and fairness. The text is minuscule, and the signs are positioned too high to be legible for a driver or passenger. Under the Consumer Rights Act 2015, terms must be fair, transparent, and clearly communicated, which is not the case here. Your signage fails to meet the standards required by the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) for legibility and prominence, making it unenforceable.

2. Frustration of Contract Due to Service Delays

The driver was a paying customer at the restaurant, and the delay in departure was caused by slow service due to high demand and capacity issues. This is a circumstance beyond the driver’s control, making enforcement of the parking limit unfair. The contract was frustrated by external factors, and no fair or reasonable enforcement should apply in such cases.

3. No Genuine Pre-Estimate of Loss (GPEOL)

There was no financial loss suffered by the landowner or the parking operator, as the restaurant was operating and serving food to paying customers. The charge is unreasonable, disproportionate, and punitive, rather than a genuine reflection of any loss incurred.

4. Breach of the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) – Misrepresentation of Appeal Timeframe

Your NtK states that an appeal must be submitted within 28 days from the date of issue, which is a breach of Section 8.1.2(e) of the PPSCoP. The correct timeframe should be 28 days from the date of receipt. Any breach of the PPSCoP invalidates your access to keeper data under your KADOE contract with the DVLA. This procedural error means the PCN was issued incorrectly.

Given the above, I request that this Parking Charge Notice be cancelled immediately. If you reject this appeal, I require a POPLA code so I can escalate the matter.

Yours faithfully,

[Keeper's Full Name]
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: pleasehelp on March 11, 2025, 05:16:42 pm
Great thank you for pointing that out.

Appreciate all the advice so far, will let you know if I heard of anything. Thanks again.
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: jfollows on March 11, 2025, 03:24:43 pm
Quote
else a formal complaint to the DVLA will be on its way.
(no apostrophe)
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: pleasehelp on March 11, 2025, 03:22:15 pm
I looked at similar cases, this is the draft for the appeal. Please advise if it's any good? Many thanks in advance.


"""   I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. Premier Park has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable.

Also, you are in breach of the BPA/IPC Private Parking Code of Practice (PPSCoP), I would suggest you  remove the charges, else a formal complaint to the DVLA will be on it's way.     """
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: b789 on March 11, 2025, 02:35:08 am
Yup, there it is on the back... "...please forward your appeal within 28 days from the date of issue of this notice..." PPSCoP breach.
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: pleasehelp on March 10, 2025, 09:42:15 pm
Please find attached the back of the NtK.

May I ask if I need to draft a letter for the appeal process? Are there any ready templates I could use? Many thanks in advance

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Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: b789 on March 10, 2025, 08:19:13 pm
You could show us the back of the Notice to Keeper (NtK) as any breach of the BPA/IPC Private Parking Code of Practice (PPSCoP) means that they are in breach of their KADOE contract with the DVLA and would warrant a formal complaint to the DVLA which MET won't like as they will be in danger of losing their access to the DVLA data.

Those signs are incapable of forming a contract. The font is tiny and they are at least 10-15 feet high up on a pole. However, you'd have to argue that point to a POPLA assessor.

The most likely outcome would be a court claim that is eventually discontinued or struck out. Chance of success... about 99%.
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: pleasehelp on March 10, 2025, 04:36:30 pm
Hello, yes I did. Apologies my editing skills are poor and my equipment not up to par so taking ages to reduce image size etc. please find attached NtK and signage, premises surroundings, etc.

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Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: Dave65 on March 10, 2025, 04:27:17 pm
Did you get photos of the signage and the position of the signage?
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: DWMB2 on March 10, 2025, 02:24:04 pm
To help us provide the best advice, please read the following thread carefully and provide as much of the information it asks for as you are able to: READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide (https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/)
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: pleasehelp on March 10, 2025, 02:20:23 pm
Just went to McDonald's, they said they can't do anything to help as it's 3rd party company, even staff can get fined if they parked at wrong spots, they can't cancel the ticket for me....
What's my next step please
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: DWMB2 on March 10, 2025, 01:59:01 pm
Generally, when contacting the landowner, I recommend being polite but persistent.

An overworked and underpaid manager is in my view more likely to help a nice customer issued an unfair charge, than one who storms in shouting the odds and making demands (they'll not be sorry to see such a person take their custom elsewhere, after all).
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: jfollows on March 10, 2025, 01:29:30 pm
I would suggest that you tell them to cancel the invoice because you were a good customer, don’t ask them for something they will just fob you off with excuses as you say. They may say they’re not responsible for the parking, but put them to proof of that if you can.
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: pleasehelp on March 10, 2025, 12:42:04 pm
Will go to McDonalds, may I ask what evidence I need to get from them to proof that they have/can cancelled the ticket? They may just fob me off. There's no proof and I could have end up late paying the whole £100 instead the early payment of £50. Thank you
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: jfollows on March 10, 2025, 11:51:56 am
The only way the driver would be revealed would be if you do so yourself, just revisiting won’t.

However it depends on whether McDonalds is responsible for the parking themselves or if it’s a generic parking area managed by someone else. If they’re responsible, they can cancel.
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: pleasehelp on March 10, 2025, 11:44:47 am
Thanks for your advice, but I read a few of the posts in similar situation, which I learn that:

1. can't rely on McDonald's staff to help - if I go back, wouldn't that reveal who drives the car, etc?
2. there is a 'standard template' to appeal with, which can quote it for appeal, so wondering if I could use that in my situation.
Title: Re: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: Dave65 on March 10, 2025, 11:18:14 am
First port of call is to go back to McDonalds and speak to the MANAGER and ask to cancel the PPN.

Otherwise post up a copy of the PPN with personal details redacted but leave dates.
Also a photo of the signage.
Title: MET McDonalds - OVERSTAY - SLOUGH
Post by: pleasehelp on March 10, 2025, 10:56:22 am
Hello,

Received NtK from MET parking services.
Date of contravention: 2nd March
Date of issue 5th March
Received Ntk 9th March

Maximum permitted stay:90 mins
length of stay: 115 mins

Background:
Sat in for food with children, with 2 separate orders, one at 17:56 another at 18:40. It was Sunday, restaurant was busy and almost at full capacities so the service was slow, especially 2nd order which took at least 20 minutes to be ready to collect for consumption.  If service wasn't slow, we could have left within 90 mins stay. 
Have not appeal yet, as hoping for advice on how to fight this.

Many thanks in advance.