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Title: Re: Premier Park - Parking charge notice for "Not Parked Wholly Within Bay" - Arena Park Coventry
Post by: zed007 on March 20, 2025, 09:14:59 am
The lease company did reply back to me and confirmed they will not be paying the fine
Title: Re: Premier Park - Parking charge notice for "Not Parked Wholly Within Bay" - Arena Park Coventry
Post by: b789 on March 19, 2025, 04:16:43 pm
You write and tell Octopus Electric Vehicles to stop being such feckwitted eejits and to actually read PoFA paragraph 13. Then explain that as long as they have followed the wording of the legislation, there is no way that they can be held liable for the charge.

To paraphrase paragrap13: If, within 28 days of receiving the Notice to Keeper (NtK) they provide the parking operator copies of a statement to the effect that the vehicle was hired to a named person under a hire agreement, a copy of the hire agreement and a copy of a statement of liability signed by the hirer under that hire agreement, then the parking operator CANNOT exercise their right to recover from the Registered Keeper the amount of the charge.

In other words, as long as they do the above, there is no comeback on them and liability is transferred to you, the Hirer, not the driver, as neither the lease company nor the parking operator have any idea who the driver was unless you, the Hirer, blab it to them, inadvertently or otherwise.

If they are unable to figure that out, then they only have themselves to blame for their own stupidity and you can chargeback anything they try to take from you for their own mistakes.
Title: Re: Premier Park - Parking charge notice for "Not Parked Wholly Within Bay" - Arena Park Coventry
Post by: DWMB2 on March 19, 2025, 04:05:59 pm
What if they end up paying the fine?
Depends what the terms of your lease say, but if they did that would become a dispute between you and your lease company. You'd potentially need to sue them to get the money back.

If there's an ongoing appeal Premier shouldn't be sending them anything additional for now.
Title: Re: Premier Park - Parking charge notice for "Not Parked Wholly Within Bay" - Arena Park Coventry
Post by: zed007 on March 19, 2025, 04:00:58 pm
Hi,

Just a heads up I have submitted the appeal online.

I do have one small concern and i've attached some info that was given by the lease company
https://imgur.com/a/CPVhGdi

What if they end up paying the fine?

I've emailed the lease company and mentioned to them to not pay any fine and i have appealed

Title: Re: Premier Park - Parking charge notice for "Not Parked Wholly Within Bay" - Arena Park Coventry
Post by: b789 on March 18, 2025, 03:53:53 pm
Yes
Title: Re: Premier Park - Parking charge notice for "Not Parked Wholly Within Bay" - Arena Park Coventry
Post by: zed007 on March 18, 2025, 02:01:42 pm
Regarding the complaint to premier parking should i add the pcn number on the email as well?

thanks
Title: Re: Premier Park - Parking charge notice for "Not Parked Wholly Within Bay" - Arena Park Coventry
Post by: b789 on March 17, 2025, 04:53:28 pm
As for the BPA fob off, send the following as a formal complaint to Premier Park so that it can be escalated back to the BPA:

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Subject: Formal Complaint – Unlawful Issuance of Notice to Keeper (NtK)

Dear Premier Park Complaints Team,

I am submitting this formal complaint regarding a serious procedural irregularity in the issuance of a Notice to Keeper (NtK) by Premier Park Ltd.

I am the Hirer of the vehicle in question. I have received a copy of the NtK from the lease company, which has transferred liability to me as the hirer.

The alleged contravention occurred on 3rd March 2025, and the NtK is also dated 3rd March 2025. The NtK contains timestamped photographs taken by your enforcement attendant on 3rd March 2025.

As you are aware, an operator must first obtain the registered keeper’s details from the DVLA via a KADOE request before issuing an NtK. Given that the DVLA’s response time is not instantaneous and takes at least 24 hours, it is impossible for Premier Park Ltd to have:

1. Recorded the alleged contravention.
2. Submitted a request to the DVLA for the registered keeper’s details.
3. Received a response from the DVLA.
4. Processed and issued the NtK on the same day as the alleged contravention.

This raises serious concerns that Premier Park Ltd has:

• Issued the NtK without obtaining DVLA keeper data in advance, which is a breach of the BPA Code of Practice and the DVLA’s KADOE contract.
• Unlawfully retained and reused personal data, which is a breach of GDPR and data protection laws.
• Misrepresented the legitimacy of the NtK issuance process, which could be considered fraudulent misrepresentation under the Fraud Act 2006.

Required Response

To resolve this formal complaint, please provide the following:

1. The exact date and time that Premier Park Ltd requested the keeper’s details from the DVLA.
2. The exact date and time that Premier Park Ltd received the keeper’s details from the DVLA.
3. An explanation as to how an NtK could be issued before this process was completed.

I require a full, substantive response within 14 days. Failure to respond satisfactorily within this timeframe will not prevent escalation, as a formal complaint is already being submitted to the DVLA regarding this matter.

If your response is inadequate or fails to address the fundamental issue, this matter will also be escalated as necessary to the relevant authorities.

As this is a formal complaint under Premier Park Ltd’s complaints procedure, I expect a full response addressing the specific points raised. Please acknowledge receipt of this complaint.

Yours sincerely,

[Your Name]
[Your Contact Information]

I suggest you write to your MP and show them the formal complaint you sent to the BPA and their fob off. Request that he/she wrote to the BPA demanding that they investigate and point out their failure to maintain their responsibility as the ATA to properly regulate their members.

You should also send the following formal complaint to the DVLA:

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Subject: Formal Complaint – Premier Park Ltd’s KADOE Request and Non-PoFA Compliant Notice to Keeper

Dear DVLA KADOE Compliance Team,

I am submitting a formal complaint regarding Premier Park Ltd’s use of the KADOE system and an irregularity in the issuance of a Notice to Keeper (NtK). This matter requires urgent investigation due to an impossible processing timeline, which suggests a serious procedural failure in Premier Park Ltd’s handling of DVLA data.

Issue with the KADOE Request and Impossible Timeline

• The alleged contravention took place at 14:40 on 3rd March 2025.
• Premier Park Ltd issued an NtK dated 3rd March 2025, the same day as the contravention.
• The registered keeper (the lease company) received the NtK in the post on 4th March 2025, less than 24 hours after the alleged contravention.
• I received a copy of the NtK from the lease company by email on 5th March 2025 when they transferred liability to me as the hirer.

I request that the DVLA confirm the following:

1. Did Premier Park Ltd submit a KADOE request for the registered keeper’s details on 3rd March 2025?
2. If so, at what date and time was the requested data returned to the operator?

Considering that the registered keeper received the NtK in the post on 4th March, this suggests a processing time of well under 24 hours—a near impossibility under normal DVLA KADOE request procedures. If a request was made, the DVLA must confirm the timeline, as the speed of this process appears highly irregular.

Non-PoFA Compliance of the NtK

As the DVLA will see from the attached copy of the NtK, it fails to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) because it does not specify a period of parking.

• The NtK only states a single moment in time (14:40 on 3rd March 2025) rather than an observed period of parking.
• Simply stating a single timestamp does not meet the statutory requirement under PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(a), which requires a period of parking to be specified.
• The persuasive appellate case law of Brennan v Premier Park Solutions (2023) [H6DP632H] confirms that failing to provide a period of parking renders an NtK non-compliant with PoFA. Should the DVLA require case law evidence, the judgment in Brennan v Premier Park Solutions can be found here: https://surl.li/wdnqas

Requested Action

I request that the DVLA investigates this matter and provides a full response confirming the results of their findings, specifically:

1. The date and time that Premier Park Ltd submitted a KADOE request for the registered keeper’s details.
2. The date and time that the DVLA provided the registered keeper’s details to Premier Park Ltd.
3. Clarification of how Premier Park Ltd was able to issue an NtK and have it received by the registered keeper in way less than 24 hours of the alleged contravention.

If the DVLA confirms that no request was made on 3rd March 2025, this would indicate that Premier Park Ltd has not followed the proper KADOE process.

I expect a full response confirming the results of your investigation. Please acknowledge receipt of this complaint and provide an estimated timeframe for your response.

Yours sincerely,

[Your Name]
[Your Contact Information]
[Vehicle Registration Number]
[PCN Reference Number]

Attachments: Copy of the NtK issued by Premier Park Ltd
Copy of formal complaint to the BPA
Copy of the BPA response
Title: Re: Premier Park - Parking charge notice for "Not Parked Wholly Within Bay" - Arena Park Coventry
Post by: zed007 on March 17, 2025, 01:34:12 pm
Can you please confirm that when they sent the notice, Premier Park did not include with it any other documents (such as a copy of your lease agreement)? If they did not, you can appeal as below, as the hirer only, not revealing who was driving:

Dear Sirs,

I have received your Notice to Hirer [(PCN number)] for Vehicle Registration Mark [VRM]. I am the hirer of the vehicle. There is no obligation for me to name the driver at the time and I will not be doing so.

To hold me liable for the charge as the hirer of the vehicle, you must meet the conditions specified in Paragraph 14 of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (“the Act”). I note from your correspondence that you have failed to meet these conditions. These failures include (but are not limited to):

  • A failure to serve a Notice to Hirer containing all the information required by 14(5) of the Act.
  • A failure to include the additional documents mentioned by 13(2) of the Act.

As a result of this, you are unable to recover the specified charge from me, the hirer. As I do not have liability for this charge, I am unable to help you further with this matter. I therefore look forward to your confirmation that the charge has been cancelled. If you do not cancel the charge, you must provide a POPLA code.

Yours


If appealing online, be careful there are no drop down/tick boxes that cause you to identify who was driving, and keep a close eye on your spam folder for their response. If they do not respond within 28 days, chase them.

Hi,
I only received the PCN and no other documents.

I will be doing the appeal online.

Thank you
Title: Re: Premier Park - Parking charge notice for "Not Parked Wholly Within Bay" - Arena Park Coventry
Post by: DWMB2 on March 17, 2025, 01:10:48 pm
Can you please confirm that when they sent the notice, Premier Park did not include with it any other documents (such as a copy of your lease agreement)? If they did not, you can appeal as below, as the hirer only, not revealing who was driving:

Dear Sirs,

I have received your Notice to Hirer [(PCN number)] for Vehicle Registration Mark [VRM]. I am the hirer of the vehicle. There is no obligation for me to name the driver at the time and I will not be doing so.

To hold me liable for the charge as the hirer of the vehicle, you must meet the conditions specified in Paragraph 14 of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (“the Act”). I note from your correspondence that you have failed to meet these conditions. These failures include (but are not limited to):

  • A failure to serve a Notice to Hirer containing all the information required by 14(5) of the Act.
  • A failure to include the additional documents mentioned by 13(2) of the Act.

As a result of this, you are unable to recover the specified charge from me, the hirer. As I do not have liability for this charge, I am unable to help you further with this matter. I therefore look forward to your confirmation that the charge has been cancelled. If you do not cancel the charge, you must provide a POPLA code.

Yours


If appealing online, be careful there are no drop down/tick boxes that cause you to identify who was driving, and keep a close eye on your spam folder for their response. If they do not respond within 28 days, chase them.
Title: Re: Premier Park - Parking charge notice for "Not Parked Wholly Within Bay" - Arena Park Coventry
Post by: zed007 on March 17, 2025, 12:53:15 pm
Just a small update.
I received a response from BPA and have attached that email and I have also received the PCN today on my name as the hirer.

https://imgur.com/a/dNQSNo8

Is there a standard template to use for the appeal?

Thanks
Title: Re: Premier Park - Parking charge notice for "Not Parked Wholly Within Bay" - Arena Park Coventry
Post by: zed007 on March 10, 2025, 10:09:19 am
Hi, I did send the email to BPA on Saturday. I'll let you know when I get a response back

Thanks
Title: Re: Premier Park - Parking charge notice for "Not Parked Wholly Within Bay" - Arena Park Coventry
Post by: b789 on March 07, 2025, 05:44:29 pm
So, the Alleged contravention is recorded at 14:40 on Monday 3rd March. The NtK is alleged to have been issued on Monday 3rd March and received by the Keeper no later than Tuesday 4th March.

How much more evidence is needed that the operator is operating unlawfully? Any of the other regulars on here have any views on this or able to point out where I may be going wrong?
Title: Re: Premier Park - Parking charge notice for "Not Parked Wholly Within Bay" - Arena Park Coventry
Post by: zed007 on March 07, 2025, 03:06:20 pm
Hi,

The lease company emailed me the NTK as attachments on 04/03/25

I've added the bottom part and the back page as well of the NTK

https://imgur.com/a/rPl42nI


I will also send the email you mentioned below to BPA info@britishparking.co.uk

Thanks
Title: Re: Premier Park - Parking charge notice for "Not Parked Wholly Within Bay" - Arena Park Coventry
Post by: b789 on March 06, 2025, 10:08:59 pm
You should also send the following email to the BPA and attach a copy of the NtK you received. Send it to info@britishparking.co.uk and also CC in yourself.

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Subject: Urgent Query – Premier Park Ltd Issued a Notice to Keeper on the Same Day as the Alleged Contravention

Dear BPA Compliance Team,

I am writing to formally raise an urgent query regarding a serious procedural anomaly in a Notice to Keeper (NtK) issued by BPA-approved operator Premier Park Ltd.

I am the Hirer of the vehicle in question. I have received a copy of the NtK from the lease company, which has transferred liability to me as the hirer, although I have not yet received a Notice to Hirer (NtH).

The alleged contravention took place on 3rd March 2025, and Premier Park Ltd issued the NtK on the same day (3rd March 2025). However, what makes this particularly alarming is that the NtK contains timestamped photos taken by Premier Park Ltd’s enforcement attendant, also dated 3rd March 2025.

As you are aware, for an operator to issue an NtK, they must first obtain the registered keeper’s details from the DVLA via a KADOE request. Given that this process takes at least 24 hours, it is procedurally impossible for Premier Park Ltd to have:

• Recorded the alleged contravention.
• Submitted a request to the DVLA for the registered keeper’s details.
• Received a response from the DVLA.
• Processed and issued the NtK on the same day as the contravention.

Since the timestamped photos on the NtK match the issue date, Premier Park Ltd could not have obtained DVLA data before issuing the NtK. This strongly suggests they have either:

• Issued the NtK without making a legitimate request to the DVLA (a breach of the BPA Code of Practice, the DVLA’s KADOE contract, and potentially GDPR).
• Used previously obtained keeper data inappropriately, which is strictly prohibited.
• Falsely represented that the NtK was validly issued, which may constitute fraudulent misrepresentation.

I wish to make it clear that I will not be engaging in a formal complaint process with Premier Park Ltd. I have zero faith in a company that is quite obviously operating in a fraudulent manner, and I fully intend to report them to the police for suspected fraudulent activity, as well as to the DVLA and ICO for data protection breaches.

However, before proceeding, I would like the BPA’s formal position on this matter. Specifically:

1. Does the BPA believe it is possible for an operator to issue an NtK on the same day as an alleged contravention, given the requirement to obtain DVLA data first?
2. Would such an issuance be compliant with BPA rules and the DVLA’s KADOE contract?
3. What action will the BPA take if an operator is found to have unlawfully processed personal data in this way?

For reference, I have attached a copy of the NtK, which clearly shows the issue date and timestamped photos taken by the Premier Park Ltd operative.

Given the serious implications of this matter, I would appreciate a prompt response.

Yours sincerely,

[Your Name]
[Your Contact Information]

Attachment: Copy of the Premier Park Ltd NtK

Please confirm when you actually send it and any response you receive from them.
Title: Re: Premier Park - Parking charge notice for "Not Parked Wholly Within Bay" - Arena Park Coventry
Post by: b789 on March 06, 2025, 09:59:08 pm
I also asked how was that copy of the NtK sent to you, the Hirer, by the lease company? Did they email it to you as an attachment or did they post it to you?

Please show BOTH sides of the NtK and DO NOT chop off the top or bottom. I need to see the whole of both sides.

Also, on what date did YOU receive the copy of the NtK from the lease company?

Please answer the questions.
Title: Re: Premier Park - Parking charge notice for "Not Parked Wholly Within Bay" - Arena Park Coventry
Post by: b789 on March 06, 2025, 09:53:11 pm
I also asked how was that copy of the NtK sent to you, the Hirer, by the lease company? Did they email it to you as an attachment or did they post it to you?

Also, on what date did YOU receive the copy of the NtK from the lease company?

Please answer the questions.
Title: Re: Premier Park - Parking charge notice for "Not Parked Wholly Within Bay" - Arena Park Coventry
Post by: jfollows on March 06, 2025, 11:17:12 am
Wait for the Notice to Hirer, which will likely be a re-hash of the notice you already have, in which case it will not comply with PoFA 13 & 14 (https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2012/9/schedule/4/paragraph/13) to hold you liable.

If the NtH does not include the additional documents required by PoFA to transfer liability to you, the hirer, you will effectively respond to that effect. They’re likely to refuse your appeal but will give you a POPLA code who should uphold your subsequent appeal to them on the same basis.

They drag it out because they know lots of people will pay up rather than going to POPLA.
Title: Re: Premier Park - Parking charge notice for "Not Parked Wholly Within Bay" - Arena Park Coventry
Post by: zed007 on March 06, 2025, 10:50:14 am

Hi, yes you are right the lease company did instruct the parking company that I am the hirer.

Is what you have show us addressed to you or the lease company? How was it sent to you? By post or as an attachment in an email?

There is no way that the "incident date" and the issue date of a Notice to Keeper (NtK) or a Notice to Hirer (NtH) can be the same date. What we have here is evidence of unlawful behaviour from a company we already know are in criminal breach of The Companies (Trading Disclosures) Regulations 2008, regulation 10.

They are mendaciously claiming that on Monday 3rd March, just two days ago, they recorded the alleged breach of contract, requested the Keepers details from the DVLA and received them on the same date (an impossibility), sent an NtK to the hire/lease company, who then informed them of the Hirers details and they then sent an NtK to the Hirer in the Hirers name and this was received today, Wednesday 5th March.

The DVLA take at least 24 hours to process a Keeper data request.

First things first... Is what you have shown us, the NtK, in your name or the lease/hire company's name? Unless you receive an NtH in your name, there is nothing you can do to appeal it. You are in the centre of a scam and you should inform the lease company of the same.

The NTK is addressed to the lease company name and they have provided my details as the hirer to the parking company so I should be receiving the NTK. The lease company emailed me the NTK and said you will be receiving it as the hirer from them.

Title: Re: Premier Park - Parking charge notice for "Not Parked Wholly Within Bay" - Arena Park Coventry
Post by: b789 on March 05, 2025, 05:42:59 pm

Hi, yes you are right the lease company did instruct the parking company that I am the hirer.

Is what you have show us addressed to you or the lease company? How was it sent to you? By post or as an attachment in an email?

There is no way that the "incident date" and the issue date of a Notice to Keeper (NtK) or a Notice to Hirer (NtH) can be the same date. What we have here is evidence of unlawful behaviour from a company we already know are in criminal breach of The Companies (Trading Disclosures) Regulations 2008, regulation 10.

They are mendaciously claiming that on Monday 3rd March, just two days ago, they recorded the alleged breach of contract, requested the Keepers details from the DVLA and received them on the same date (an impossibility), sent an NtK to the hire/lease company, who then informed them of the Hirers details and they then sent an NtK to the Hirer in the Hirers name and this was received today, Wednesday 5th March.

The DVLA take at least 24 hours to process a Keeper data request.

First things first... Is what you have shown us, the NtK, in your name or the lease/hire company's name? Unless you receive an NtH in your name, there is nothing you can do to appeal it. You are in the centre of a scam and you should inform the lease company of the same.
Title: Re: Premier Park - Parking charge notice for "Not Parked Wholly Within Bay" - Arena Park Coventry
Post by: zed007 on March 05, 2025, 04:02:37 pm


Hi, yes you are right the lease company did instruct the parking company that I am the hirer. Here is the letter

https://imgur.com/QbUwQML

Thanks
Title: Re: Premier Park - Parking charge notice for "Not Parked Wholly Within Bay" - Arena Park Coventry
Post by: DWMB2 on March 05, 2025, 03:06:05 pm
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The lease company did send me a letter, which I'll need to forward to Premier Parking.
No, the lease company need to instruct the parking company that you are the hirer. But, we might be able to work with the letter they've sent you, can you please show us that, and the notice they've sent you addressed to the lease company?

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can the lease company not write back to premier park and tell them they are being daft?
They could, but they won't.
Title: Re: Premier Park - Parking charge notice for "Not Parked Wholly Within Bay" - Arena Park Coventry
Post by: zed007 on March 05, 2025, 02:54:14 pm
Your lease company need to name you as the hirer of the vehicle, if they're the ones named on the notice then it's not for you to deal with.

Confirm with them that they have named you as the hirer and then you should receive a notice in your own name, which we can support you to challenge.

The lease company did send me a letter, which I'll need to forward to Premier Parking.

Just a sidenote, the car is in the parking bay, can the lease company not write back to premier park and tell them they are being daft?
Title: Re: Premier Park - Parking charge notice for "Not Parked Wholly Within Bay" - Arena Park Coventry
Post by: DWMB2 on March 05, 2025, 02:44:29 pm
Your lease company need to name you as the hirer of the vehicle, if they're the ones named on the notice then it's not for you to deal with.

Confirm with them that they have named you as the hirer and then you should receive a notice in your own name, which we can support you to challenge.
Title: Premier Park - Parking charge notice for "Not Parked Wholly Within Bay" - Arena Park Coventry
Post by: zed007 on March 05, 2025, 02:39:47 pm
Hi everyone,

Looking for some advice please.

My car is leased and the leasing company sent me the parking charge notice from Premier Park for "Not Parked Wholly Within Bay". This happened on 03/03/2025

I've attached a link to the picture of the car parked

https://imgur.com/a/rPl42nI

To me its inside the bay.

Thanks,

Zed