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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Aubama on March 04, 2025, 10:11:41 am

Title: Re: PCN contravention 62 4
Post by: Incandescent on March 13, 2025, 02:30:23 pm
No re-offer of the discount, so it is now a total no-brainer to take them to London Tribunals as the penalty remains the same, and there are no additional costs.
Title: Re: PCN contravention 62 4
Post by: Aubama on March 13, 2025, 02:09:19 pm
Ive had a rejection letter through the post, please see below:

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Title: Re: PCN contravention 62 4
Post by: Aubama on March 13, 2025, 02:07:22 pm
Quote from: stamfordman on March 04, 2025, 10:21:13 pm
Are you waiting for NTOs to challenge parking PCNs?

I've already received that I believe, its in an earlier post on this thread
Title: Re: PCN contravention 62 4
Post by: stamfordman on March 04, 2025, 10:21:13 pm
Are you waiting for NTOs to challenge parking PCNs?
Title: Re: PCN contravention 62 4
Post by: Aubama on March 04, 2025, 07:29:50 pm
Thank you all for your amazing advice, I have followed @cp8759 and submitted representation online

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Title: Re: PCN contravention 62 4
Post by: H C Andersen on March 04, 2025, 07:17:03 pm
IMO, the NTO does not state 'will' increase but uses the mandated form 'may increase'. As far as I know, the permissive power which is required to be stated in a NTO may not unilaterally and without context be changed to 'will' on a website without consequences.
Title: Re: PCN contravention 62 4
Post by: cp8759 on March 04, 2025, 06:56:44 pm
@Aubama draft representation:

Dear London Borough of Lewisham,

I challenge liability on the grounds that the alleged contravention did not occur, as footway parking is permitted on Galahad Road and there are no signs indicating such parking is permitted in marked bays only. If you are minded to refuse this representation, I ask that you provide the footway parking resolution duly enacted under section 15(4) of the Greater London Council (General Powers) Act 1974, so that I may confirm whether the bays are correctly marked.

Yours faithfully,


Don't forget to take a timed / dated screenshot of the confirmation page.
Title: Re: PCN contravention 62 4
Post by: cp8759 on March 04, 2025, 06:54:10 pm
Quote from: Hippocrates on March 04, 2025, 03:35:21 pm
As this is Lewisham, please screenshot the payment status page as if to make representations:

The amount outstanding on the Penalty Charge Notice will increase to £165.00 on Tue, 1 Apr 2025. Please pay £110.00 now.
This is an illegal demand for money and is a procedural impropriety since it undermines your right to use the statutory process.

How so? The NTO says the same thing, the only difference is that the website gives a few days grace, as legally they could increase the charge on 26 March.

If the message stays the same after representations are made, that would be a different matter.
Title: Re: PCN contravention 62 4
Post by: Hippocrates on March 04, 2025, 03:35:21 pm
As this is Lewisham, please screenshot the payment status page as if to make representations:


The amount outstanding on the Penalty Charge Notice will increase to £165.00 on Tue, 1 Apr 2025. Please pay £110.00 now.

This is an illegal demand for money and is a procedural impropriety since it undermines your right to use the statutory process. I have a costs hearing in the near future against this outfit.

I am more than happy to deal with this one at the Tribunal.
Title: Re: PCN contravention 62 4
Post by: H C Andersen on March 04, 2025, 01:33:48 pm
It's not a marked parking bay, the end of the sub-divided free parking place can be seen ahead of the car. In addition, the DYL mean that one may not wait, which includes parking at that spot.

What other drivers might do is not something which an adjudicator would take into account.

On the basis of what can be seen, you're bang-to-rights on the contravention because the whole of your car was parked other than on the carriageway.

But what's the authority's take and could this be used to your advantage?

Depends how you present your reps.
Title: Re: PCN contravention 62 4
Post by: Incandescent on March 04, 2025, 12:05:07 pm
The CEO had a choice on what contravention to put on the PCN, and chose the off-carriageway parking ban. He could have served a PCN for being parked on double-yellow lines. Rather too many people don't seem to know that yellow lines apply to the whole road, not just the carriageway.
Title: Re: PCN contravention 62 4
Post by: Aubama on March 04, 2025, 10:46:30 am
Yes exactly, I thought where I had parked was fine in all honesty.  Since then Ive seen other cars make the same mistake, although the white lines are in the pictures it didn't feel clear.

Do you think I can successfully appeal on these grounds?
Title: Re: PCN contravention 62 4
Post by: stamfordman on March 04, 2025, 10:39:01 am
The traffic order map shows designated bays there but not as footway ones.

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Title: Re: PCN contravention 62 4
Post by: stamfordman on March 04, 2025, 10:32:02 am
The kerb is dropped where you parked so the question is whether this can be seen as a continuation of a designated parking place despite the double yellow lines.

There doesn't seem to be any signage about footway parking and bays there but there are parking signs and bay lines.

A resolution disapplying the footway ban may be in place.

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Title: Re: PCN contravention 62 4
Post by: DWMB2 on March 04, 2025, 10:15:35 am
This is a council PCN so I have moved this post to the Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) (https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/) forum.

To help the users there provide you with the best advice, please read the following thread carefully and provide as much of the information it requests as you are able to: READ THIS FIRST - **BEFORE POSTING YOUR CASE!**, This section is for council, TFL, Dart/Mersey/Tyne etc. cases (https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/)
Title: PCN contravention 62 4
Post by: Aubama on March 04, 2025, 10:11:41 am
Hi there, please can I get advise on appealing this alleged contravention.  It appears that where my vehicle was parked was outside of the parking box, but at the time it all looked the same.  I can get more updated pics of the location shortly.

The gsv is here: https://maps.app.goo.gl/bKoJiGMXkAH8jGQ47


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Please advise on how to appeal, thanks in advance