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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: G6PRK on March 03, 2025, 06:49:19 pm


Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: roythebus on June 08, 2025, 01:14:28 pm
A lengthy read there! I note the term "motorist" is used several times. Who, in law, is the "motorist", the driver, the registered keeper, a passenger in a motor vehicle?


My partner has just received a "penalty charge" from APCOA using a mixture of Bylaw 14 and POFA, similar to one I had about 3 years ago. I challenged that and have heard nothing since. I'll start a separate thread for that one.
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: b789 on May 08, 2025, 07:41:37 pm
Go straight into a formal complaint to the ICO. Whilst the ICO will expect you to have exhausted your issue with APCOA first, you can tell them that they are deliberately obfuscating.

Point out the unacceptable delay in first responding to the SAR after 27 days demanding ID when it is unnecessary as they have already been in communication with you.

Any response yet from the DVLA or your MP?
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: G6PRK on May 08, 2025, 02:30:57 pm
@b789 further update RE SAR...

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Good afternoon, 

Thank you for your email to the Data Protection Office at APCOA Parking (UK).

In line with GDPR, we require identification as we need to be satisfied that we know the identity of the requester before supplying any personal information.

Within guidance provided by the Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) under 'what to expect after making a Subject Access request' it states "ID checks are sometimes needed to check you are the person asking for the information and to protect your personal information. When asked for ID, you should provide it."

The GDPR legislation also states that “The controller should use all reasonable measures to verify the identity of a data subject who requests access, in particular in the context of online services and online identifiers.”

As advised previously, once your identity has been verified, any identification sent is then securely deleted from our system, the documentation is not retained.

Please also be advised that the timescale for responding to a SAR does not begin until we have received the requested information.

For more information on identity verification, please view the ICO guidance by visiting https://ico.org.uk.

Yours sincerely,

Jack Speakman
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: b789 on April 30, 2025, 03:11:07 pm
And send the following to your MP:

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Subject: Urgent Update: Written Admission by APCOA Confirms Misuse of DVLA Data and Possible Criminal Offence

Dear [MP's Name],

I am writing to follow up on my previous correspondence sent on [insert date], regarding APCOA Parking (UK) Ltd and their misuse of personal data obtained in reliance upon DVLA keeper records. Since that time, APCOA have issued a written response to a formal complaint which makes an admission that is nothing short of damning.

They have confirmed in writing that their so-called “Penalty Notices”, issued under the guise of Railway Byelaws, are in fact civil demands pursued under private contract law, not statutory penalties. Despite this, they continue to design and issue notices that falsely imply criminal liability, threaten prosecution under byelaw 14, and reference statutory offences. Payments are retained by APCOA or the landowner—not the public purse—proving these are not lawful fines.

This is not just misleading; it arguably engages criminal liability under Section 2 of the Fraud Act 2006 – false representation made dishonestly and with intent to cause a gain or loss. It also raises profound concerns about the DVLA’s ongoing role in facilitating these schemes by releasing keeper data under the KADOE contract, with no apparent oversight or sanction when that data is subsequently misused.

The evidence now includes:

• APCOA’s own written admission that the notices are civil, not statutory.
• The use of the term “Penalty Notice” to falsely imply criminal liability.
• Threats of prosecution despite no intention or legal mechanism to prosecute.
• Processing of personal data in a manner contrary to the purpose under which it was obtained from the DVLA.

This is a serious matter of public interest, and I respectfully request that you raise it directly with the Secretary of State for Transport or the Minister responsible for DVLA oversight. The issue is not isolated, and unless Parliament intervenes, it will continue to affect thousands of motorists.

I am happy to provide a copy of APCOA’s written admission upon request. Please confirm that this matter will now be taken forward.

Yours sincerely,

[Your Full Name]
[Your Address + Postcode]
[Your Contact Email]
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: G6PRK on April 30, 2025, 03:08:34 pm
Amazing - thanks.
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: b789 on April 30, 2025, 03:06:16 pm
DO NOT provide any photo ID, ever! Just do as I have mentioned in my previous post.

For the DVLA complaint text part of the webform change it to the following:

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I am submitting a formal complaint against APCOA Parking (UK) Ltd, a BPA AOS member with DVLA KADOE access, for breaching the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) and misusing personal data obtained in reliance upon DVLA-supplied keeper information.

While APCOA did not obtain my data directly from the DVLA, the entire enforcement process was initiated using DVLA data provided under the KADOE contract to the registered keeper — a lease company. That keeper then passed on my details to APCOA. From that point forward, APCOA used my personal data to pursue what they described as a statutory “Penalty Notice” under railway byelaws, implying criminal liability.

However, in response to a formal complaint, APCOA have now admitted that their “Penalty Notices” are not statutory penalties, but civil claims based on private contract law. They also confirmed that funds collected are retained by themselves or the landowner, not paid to the public purse — proving these are not fines issued by or on behalf of a prosecuting authority.

This is a damning admission. APCOA instigated the process using DVLA data under the false pretence of statutory enforcement, only to later reframe the charge as a civil contractual matter once challenged. This constitutes a clear breach of the KADOE contract and PPSCoP, both of which prohibit misleading representations and require that DVLA data be used for a lawful, clearly defined, and Code-compliant purpose.

The DVLA, as data controller, remains responsible for ensuring that personal data released under KADOE is not subsequently misused — including by downstream parties acting on the back of that disclosure. This complaint concerns not just the initial release of data, but its subsequent use in a manner that may amount to unlawful processing and potentially criminal misrepresentation.

I have attached a supporting statement with evidence and request a full investigation into this matter. Please confirm receipt and provide a reference number for this complaint.

Then you change the following in the PDF file for the formal complaint itself:

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SUPPORTING STATEMENT

Complaint to DVLA – Breach of KADOE Contract and PPSCoP

Operator name: APCOA Parking (UK) Ltd 
Date of Penalty Notice issue: [INSERT DATE] 
Vehicle registration: [INSERT VRM]

I am submitting this complaint to report a misuse of my personal data by APCOA Parking (UK) Ltd, who obtained my keeper details from the DVLA under the KADOE (Keeper At Date Of Event) contract.

Although my own personal data was not supplied directly by the DVLA, APCOA initiated enforcement based on DVLA data they received for the registered keeper — a lease company. That keeper then passed my details to APCOA, who processed my data in reliance upon the DVLA-supplied information. All subsequent action taken by APCOA, including the issue of a “Penalty Notice” and the pursuit of payment, was conducted under the authority they derive from the KADOE framework. As such, they remain fully bound by the terms of that contract and the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP).

While APCOA may have had reasonable cause to request my data initially, they subsequently used it to issue a document styled as a “Penalty Notice” for an alleged breach of Railway Byelaws. The notice mimicked the form and language of a statutory penalty, implied criminal liability, and threatened escalation under Byelaw 14(1).

However, in a formal written complaint response dated [INSERT DATE], APCOA made the following admissions:

• The “Penalty Notice” is not a statutory enforcement measure, but a civil matter based on private contract law.
• Enforcement is pursued under contract law and not through the railway byelaw criminal framework.
• Revenue from the notice is retained by APCOA or the landowner—not remitted to the public purse—confirming it is not a fine issued by a prosecuting authority.

These admissions expose a clear deception: keeper data obtained under the pretext of enforcing statutory railway offences was instead used to pursue what APCOA now claims is a private contractual matter. This amounts to a misuse of personal data, a breach of the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP), and a violation of the terms of the KADOE contract.

More seriously, this conduct raises significant concerns under the Fraud Act 2006, specifically Section 2 – false representation. APCOA knowingly represented a private civil charge as a statutory “Penalty Notice” in order to induce payment from a motorist under threat of criminal consequences. This is not a minor procedural failing or mere miscommunication; it is arguably a criminal offence, and it must be treated as such.

As the Data Controller, the DVLA bears direct responsibility for ensuring that personal data it supplies under KADOE is:

• Used lawfully and fairly
• Not processed for misleading or deceptive purposes
• Not used in ways that facilitate or support criminal conduct

These responsibilities cannot be delegated or brushed aside. Where there is evidence that a KADOE recipient has used personal data in a manner that may constitute a criminal offence, the DVLA must act—whether by initiating proceedings under the KADOE contract, reporting the matter to enforcement agencies, or revoking access to its data systems.

I request that the DVLA take the following actions:

• Investigate APCOA’s conduct in this case
• Determine whether a breach of the KADOE contract and PPSCoP has occurred
• Refer the matter to the appropriate enforcement authority or police, given the potential criminality under the Fraud Act
• Suspend or terminate APCOA’s KADOE access if warranted

The attached correspondence from APCOA constitutes direct evidence of misrepresentation and unlawful processing. I trust the DVLA will treat this complaint with the seriousness and urgency that such conduct demands.

Name: [INSERT YOUR NAME] 
Date: [INSERT DATE]
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: G6PRK on April 30, 2025, 02:51:00 pm
I did send the email to my MP - no response. Will follow up.

Just a point of clarification, they did not in this case look up my information with the DVLA. The keeper of the vehicle was my friend's employer (F&F lease scheme). That business then passed my details to APCOA.

Does this change the nature of the complaint?

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On the SAR point, I also refuse to provide ID in the form of Driving License? They have demanded both not one or the other.

Many thanks
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: b789 on April 30, 2025, 02:47:08 pm
Regarding the SAR, a copy of the V5C is perfectly OK to use as verification of ID. However, if you do not want to provide a copy of that, I suggest you respond to the DPO with the following:

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Subject: Re: Subject Access Request – Reminder of Legal Obligations

Dear Data Protection Officer,

Thank you for your response dated [INSERT DATE].

While I appreciate the need for identity verification, I must remind you that this request was submitted in my capacity as the Keeper, and I have already corresponded with APCOA on this matter using the same name and address you originally obtained from the DVLA.

As such, you already have sufficient information to verify my identity. If you require confirmation, a copy of that prior correspondence can be provided to satisfy any reasonable verification requirement. However, requesting a V5C document is disproportionate in this context and not justified under Article 12(6) of the UK GDPR.

You are therefore reminded that:

• I submitted a valid Subject Access Request on [INSERT DATE].
• The 30-day statutory period began on that date, not from when you receive additional documents you arbitrarily demand.
• Your continued delay in responding may amount to a breach of the UK GDPR.

I expect the SAR to be processed without further obstruction. If no response is provided within the statutory timeframe, I will refer the matter to the Information Commissioner’s Office without further notice.

Yours sincerely,

[Your Name]
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: b789 on April 30, 2025, 02:41:11 pm
Did you send the email to your MP?

That response to your complaint to APCOA is damning for them:

• They explicitly call it a "Penalty Notice", while also admitting it is “a civil matter.” That contradicts the statutory basis implied by the term.
• They claim criminal prosecution is only a possibility if people “fail to engage”—a pressure tactic with no legal substance if they never intend to prosecute.
• They state they are enforcing private contractual terms—not statutory offences—but do so under the guise of Byelaw 14 enforcement.
• They collect and retain revenue for themselves or the landowner, not the Treasury, proving these are not legitimate statutory penalties.

This completely undermines any claim that these are lawful statutory fines. As I stated, fraud by false representation under Section 2 of the Fraud Act 2006 is arguably engaged, and DVLA data was clearly accessed and processed under a false pretext.

For now, make a formal complaint to the DVLA.

Here’s how to make a DVLA complaint:

• Go to: https://contact.dvla.gov.uk/complaints
• Select: “Making a complaint or compliment about the Vehicles service you have received”
• Enter your personal details, contact details, and vehicle details
• Use the text box to summarise your complaint or insert a covering note
• You will then be able to upload a file (up to 19.5 MB) — this can be your full complaint or supporting evidence
That’s it.

The DVLA is required to record, investigate and respond to every complaint about a private parking company. If everyone who encounters a breach took the time to submit a complaint, we might finally see the DVLA take meaningful action—whether that means curtailing or removing KADOE access altogether.

For the text part of the complaint the webform could use the following:

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I am submitting a formal complaint against APCOA Parking (UK) Ltd, a BPA AOS member with DVLA KADOE access, for breaching the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) and misusing my personal data obtained from the DVLA.

While APCOA may have had reasonable cause to request my data initially, they subsequently used it to issue a document titled “Penalty Notice” that falsely implied criminal liability and statutory enforcement under railway byelaws. However, in response to a formal complaint, APCOA have now explicitly admitted that their notices are in fact civil in nature, and that they are relying on private contract law to justify enforcement and collection.

This is a damning admission that they accessed DVLA data on the false premise of pursuing a statutory offence, only to repackage the enforcement as a civil matter once challenged. This is a clear breach of the KADOE contract and the PPSCoP, both of which prohibit misleading conduct and misuse of DVLA data.

The DVLA, as data controller, is responsible for ensuring that personal data is not misused following its release under KADOE. This complaint is not about the initial access to my data, but rather the subsequent unlawful use of it once it became clear that the operator had no legal basis to pursue a penalty under the statutory regime.

I have attached a supporting statement and request a full investigation. Please confirm receipt and provide a reference number for this complaint.

Then you could upload the following as a PDF file for the formal complaint itself:

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SUPPORTING STATEMENT

Complaint to DVLA – Breach of KADOE Contract and PPSCoP

Operator name: APCOA Parking (UK) Ltd 
Date of Penalty Notice issue: [INSERT DATE] 
Vehicle registration: [INSERT VRM]

I am submitting this complaint to report a misuse of my personal data by APCOA Parking (UK) Ltd, who obtained my keeper details from the DVLA under the KADOE (Keeper At Date Of Event) contract.

While APCOA may have had reasonable cause to request my data initially, they subsequently used it to issue a document styled as a “Penalty Notice” for an alleged breach of Railway Byelaws. The notice mimicked the form and language of a statutory penalty, implied criminal liability, and threatened escalation under Byelaw 14(1).

However, in a formal written complaint response dated [INSERT DATE], APCOA made the following admissions:

• The “Penalty Notice” is not a statutory enforcement measure, but a civil matter based on private contract law.
• Enforcement is pursued under contract law and not through the railway byelaw criminal framework.
• Revenue from the notice is retained by APCOA or the landowner—not remitted to the public purse—confirming it is not a fine issued by a prosecuting authority.

These admissions expose a clear deception: keeper data obtained under the pretext of enforcing statutory railway offences was instead used to pursue what APCOA now claims is a private contractual matter. This amounts to a misuse of personal data, a breach of the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP), and a violation of the terms of the KADOE contract.

More seriously, this conduct raises significant concerns under the Fraud Act 2006, specifically Section 2 – false representation. APCOA knowingly represented a private civil charge as a statutory “Penalty Notice” in order to induce payment from a motorist under threat of criminal consequences. This is not a minor procedural failing or mere miscommunication; it is arguably a criminal offence, and it must be treated as such.

As the Data Controller, the DVLA bears direct responsibility for ensuring that personal data it supplies under KADOE is:

• Used lawfully and fairly
• Not processed for misleading or deceptive purposes
• Not used in ways that facilitate or support criminal conduct

These responsibilities cannot be delegated or brushed aside. Where there is evidence that a KADOE recipient has used personal data in a manner that may constitute a criminal offence, the DVLA must act—whether by initiating proceedings under the KADOE contract, reporting the matter to enforcement agencies, or revoking access to its data systems.

I request that the DVLA take the following actions:

• Investigate APCOA’s conduct in this case
• Determine whether a breach of the KADOE contract and PPSCoP has occurred
• Refer the matter to the appropriate enforcement authority or police, given the potential criminality under the Fraud Act
• Suspend or terminate APCOA’s KADOE access if warranted

The attached correspondence from APCOA constitutes direct evidence of misrepresentation and unlawful processing. I trust the DVLA will treat this complaint with the seriousness and urgency that such conduct demands.

Name: [INSERT YOUR NAME] 
Date: [INSERT DATE]

Attachments to Upload with the DVLA Complaint:

1. This PDF supporting statement
2. The APCOA complaint response email/letter (as proof of admission)
3.The original PN issued by APCOA
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: G6PRK on April 30, 2025, 02:03:03 pm
@b789 two updates I'd appreciate your thoughts on...

1. They've finally responded to my complaint (on Saturday) with some level of depth. Where would you suggest I go from here? The PNs are all cancelled so I don't have anything to gain in that regard, but keen to keep pressing them on their inadequacies.

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Thank you for your patience whilst this has been investigated.

• Why are you, an unregulated private parking company, issuing fake “Penalty Notices” designed to mislead motorists into believing you possess statutory or criminal enforcement powers which you clearly do not?

APCOA operate under and are regulated by the British Parking Association (BPA) and agree to adhere to the sector single code of practice.

We can confirm that this Penalty Notice is issued as a civil matter. The penalty notice system is an established mechanism designed to address breaches of the railway byelaws in a way that is proportionate and fair. These notices are not intended to suggest criminal intent or prosecution at the outset but to offer the opportunity to resolve matters without escalation. Should the recipient fail to engage or resolve the matter, criminal enforcement under Byelaw 14(1) may be pursued.


• Why are you attempting to rely on Railway Byelaws to justify civil enforcement of minor parking indiscretions, despite knowing full well that such matters do not fall within the scope of criminal prosecution under Byelaw 24(1)?
•Additionally, your use of the term “Penalty Notice”, coupled with the implied criminal consequences, is highly misleading. You are not a prosecuting authority, and your notice cannot be lawfully construed as anything more than a speculative civil invoice. Its presentation—suggesting legal obligation and criminal liability—appears to constitute a breach of Section 2 of the Fraud Act 2006, namely:

“False representation made dishonestly and with intent to make a gain or cause loss.”


In other words, this was an attempt at extortion by deception.

The term “Penalty Notice” is used because the breach of railway byelaws, such as unauthorised parking, constitutes a potential statutory offence. This is entirely different from a private parking charge, as our notices pertain to statutory enforcement of the byelaws, which may involve criminal liability in some cases. The presentation of the notice reflects the legal process in place, and it has been reviewed and approved to ensure compliance with the applicable legal standards.


• Why are you directing recipients to a private appeals process in circumstances where you are claiming a statutory breach? Appeals panels have no jurisdiction over alleged criminal offences.

It is important to clarify that while the alleged breach may indeed involve a potential criminal offence under the railway byelaws, the appeals process we reference is an administrative review mechanism designed to ensure that the matter is properly investigated, and the correct party is held accountable.
In accordance with the enforcement procedures under Byelaw 14 of the Railway Byelaws, the appeals process is a non-judicial review that allows recipients to challenge the validity of the charge based on the circumstances surrounding the alleged breach. This process provides an opportunity for the train operating company or relevant authority to review whether the penalty notice was appropriately issued, and for any mitigating factors to be considered.
It is important to note that this appeals process does not alter or replace the statutory provisions under the byelaws. If the matter proceeds beyond the appeals stage, it may be referred for criminal prosecution if deemed necessary. The appeals process, therefore, acts as a preliminary step in ensuring that no unfair or incorrect penalties are applied, rather than replacing or overstepping the jurisdiction of the criminal justice system.
Any decision made by POPLA is only binding on the car park operator and therefore the use of this independent appeals service benefits the consumer/motorist.


• Why are you asserting that you have a legal basis to infer vehicle ownership from DVLA registered keeper data, when this is explicitly contradicted by the front page of the V5C and by DVLA guidance?
• Why are your communications inconsistent as to who you believe is liable—at times addressing the keeper, at other times the driver or “owner”—with no coherent explanation?

Our access to DVLA data is governed by the Keeper at Date of Event (KADOE) contract, which permits APCOA to request the registered keeper’s details for the purpose of enforcing parking terms and conditions or pursuing relevant offences.

While the V5C document does indicate that being the registered keeper is not proof of ownership in itself, there is a legal presumption that the registered keeper is the owner of the vehicle unless evidence to the contrary is provided. This is reflected in the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994, which defines an “owner” as the person by whom the vehicle is kept. In the case of a registered vehicle, this is presumed to be the person in whose name the vehicle is registered.

Accordingly, when investigating a breach of the railway byelaws, and in the absence of any information suggesting otherwise, it is both reasonable and appropriate for us to correspond with the registered keeper as the presumed owner of the vehicle. Under contract law, only the driver can be liable as they are present when the parking contract is both offered and accepted. However, under the Railway Byelaws, it is made clear that the owner is the liable party.


• Why are your communications inconsistent as to what contravention is even alleged to have taken place?

The Penalty Notice clearly states that the Penalty Notice was issued for the offence of "Use of private car park without making a valid payment". Whilst payment was made for the parking session, the payment is deemed as invalid as the incorrect tariff was paid.

The ANPR systems captured the vehicle entering Bedford Station car park at 07:31:29 meaning that the full one day tariff of £11.30 was due, however, as payment was only made at 13:08:38 the incorrect tariff of £4.60 was paid due to the off peak tariff being activated at 10:00am.


• What failing occurred that allowed your customer service team to ignore straightforward questions from a customer attempting to resolve the matter?
• Why do different members of your staff have conflicting views on what information it is appropriate to disclose to a customer?

The chat transcripts have been reviewed by APCOA management and has been found to be below the high standards that APCOA work to. As a result, an internal investigation has been conducted and a conclusion is that the fails were due to insufficient training of the customer service agents who handled your queries. The agents involved have now been given the required additional training.

Whilst we’re unable to comment on internal processes and their outcomes, rest assured the level of customer service given to all customers, and the conduct of all APCOA staff is a top priority and as such, we are treating this matter extremely seriously.


APCOA would like to take this opportunity to thank you for bringing this to our attention and also offer our sincere apologies for the less than satisfactory level of customer service that you received on this occasion.



• Given I was told that information was disclosed to me which "shouldn’t have been", what assurances can you provide that my personal data—and that of your other customers—is being handled lawfully and securely?
• On what lawful basis under the UK GDPR are you processing and storing my personal data?

We can confirm that your personal data has been redacted from the below cases:


Please see below links to both APCOA's privacy policy and data protection policy which outline how APCOA handles your personal data.

APCOA Privacy Policy - https://www.apcoa.co.uk/privacy-policy/
APCOA Data Protection Policy - https://www.apcoa.co.uk/index.php?id=6296

If you have any concerns or queries relating to how APCOA have handled your details, you can contact our Data Protection Office via email on DPO@apcoa.com

Kind regards,
Complaints Handler
APCOA

2. They have just today, 27 days after submitting my SAR, responded as follows. They are asking me to fill a form (which I won't do) and demanding V5C and ID. The V5C seems completely unneccesary, and suggesting the 30 days starts from this point seems completely unreasonable.

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Good Afternoon,

Thank you for your email to the Data Protection Office at APCOA Parking (UK).

Please complete the attached form and return in order that we can provide the requested information.

Please be advised that you are not obliged to complete this form to make a request, but it’s helpful for us to know what you’re looking for so we can respond fully and promptly. Although the completion of this form is not a requirement, proof of identification is still required. The timescale for responding to your request will start when we receive this.

Yours Sincerely,
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: G6PRK on April 07, 2025, 11:24:53 am
Thanks for that @b789.

Within about 20 minutes of sending the follow up this morning I got a response to my previous email:

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Dear [Name],

We are currently reviewing the points raised in your complaint and a full response will be issued to your complaint in due course.

Thank you for your patience during this time

Kind regards,
[Name]
Complaints Handler
APCOA

Good old 'due course'.
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: b789 on April 05, 2025, 08:28:46 am
Yes, a follow-up is appropriate. Given their failure to provide a full response within the 28-day timeframe as required under their own complaints policy—and by Section 11.4 of the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP)—you are well within your rights to write again, formally registering their non-compliance and warning of your intent to escalate.

Given the data handling issues raised—including inconsistency in identifying the liable party, failure to provide clarity on lawful processing grounds, and the suggestion that personal data may have been shared improperly—a Subject Access Request (SAR) under the UK GDPR would be appropriate at this point.

Here is a suggested response regarding the failure to address the formal complaint:

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Subject: Failure to Respond to Formal Complaint – Final Reminder Prior to Escalation

Dear [Complaints Handler / APCOA Complaints Department],

I am writing to express my deep dissatisfaction with your continued failure to properly address the formal complaint submitted on [insert date]. Your email of 22 March 2025—while acknowledging cancellation of the spurious “Penalty Notice”—did not even attempt to provide a full and substantive response to the serious matters raised.

I remind you once again that your obligations are clear. As per Section 11.4 of the BPA/IPC Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP):

“A full response to a complaint must be provided by the parking operator within 28 days of its receipt unless exceptional circumstances apply, in which case the complainant must be kept informed by the operator.”

No such full response has been received, and no justification has been offered for this delay. In the absence of any reasonable explanation, your failure to comply with both your own policy and the industry Code of Practice amounts to a flagrant disregard for accountability and transparency.

To be absolutely clear: this matter is not closed. You are under a continuing obligation to provide a detailed and point-by-point reply to the concerns I raised. Your attempt to offer a generic, dismissive response while hoping the issue would disappear has been noted and will not be accepted.

I will now allow a further 7 days for you to issue a complete and substantive response addressing all of the following:

• The basis on which you purport to issue “Penalty Notices” that imply criminal liability, despite being a private contractor with no statutory authority.
• The misuse of Byelaw 14 to pursue civil enforcement outside the scope of prosecution under Byelaw 24(1).
• The misleading reference to criminal sanctions and statutory enforcement powers in your correspondence.
• Your misuse and misinterpretation of DVLA keeper data in an attempt to establish liability.
• The contradictory and inconsistent statements made by your staff regarding the nature of the alleged contravention, the liable party, and the appeals process.
• The failure of your customer service agents to engage with basic queries or offer any clarity to the recipient of your demands.
• The apparent mishandling of personal data, including comments suggesting that information disclosed to me "shouldn’t have been," which raises significant concerns over your internal data governance and staff training.
• The lack of clarity on what alleged contravention occurred, and why no coherent explanation has ever been given.

If a full response is not received within 7 days, I will escalate this matter formally to the British Parking Association, the DVLA, and, where applicable, to the Information Commissioner's Office. I also reserve the right to report the matter to the police on the basis that your use of intimidating and misleading documents may constitute an offence under Section 2 of the Fraud Act 2006.

Let there be no doubt: this is not a matter that will simply be allowed to lapse. You are now on notice to comply with your obligations in full.

Yours sincerely,

[Your Name]
[Your Address]
[Reference number, if applicable]

Here is the suggested format of a SAR which you email as a PDF attachment to the DPO and CC in yourself. Their details will be in the privacy policy on their website:

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Dear Sir/Madam,

RE: SUBJECT ACCESS REQUEST

I write to make a formal Subject Access Request in respect of my personal information. I am entitled to make this request under data protection laws. The request is made in accordance with section 45 of the Data Protection Act 2018 and Article 15 of the retained EU General Data Protection Regulation 2016/679 (UK GDPR). You can identify my records using the information which is listed below.

For clarity, this request is directed to APCOA Parking (UK) Ltd and all affiliated companies and data controllers within the APCOA group, including but not limited to:

– APCOA Parking (UK) Ltd
– APCOA Parking Holdings (UK) Ltd
– APCOA Facilities Management (UK) Ltd
– APCOA Parking Services Ltd
– APCOA Parking Group GmbH (as the parent company)

Any other UK or EEA-based subsidiaries, affiliates, or contractors acting as data processors or controllers on behalf of the APCOA group

Requester (data subject) information

(a) Full name:
(b) Address:
(c) Email address:
(d) Telephone number:
(e) PCN number:
(f) VRM:

Requested information

(a) Copies of my personal data

I request that I am provided with full copies of all personal data relating to me which is held by the APCOA group as outlined above. I would prefer to receive an electronic copy of the requested information.

(b) Purpose of the processing

Please confirm within your response the purpose(s) for which my personal data was collected and processed by any part of the APCOA group.

(c) Categories of the data

Please confirm which categories of my personal data have been collected or processed by any APCOA group company.

(d) Sharing of the data

Please confirm which recipients (including any third parties) my personal data has been or may be disclosed to. This includes disclosure to debt collection agencies, solicitors, or international entities. Please also confirm whether any data has been transferred outside the UK and, if so, the applicable safeguards in place.

(e) Storage of the data

Please provide the applicable data retention periods, or if no specific period is available, the criteria used to determine such periods.

(f) Source of the data

Please confirm the original source(s) of the data held about me.

(g) Details about automated decision-making

Please advise whether any automated decision-making has taken place using my data and provide full details of the logic involved and potential effects of such decisions.

(h) Existence of my rights

Please confirm my rights in respect of this data, including the rights to rectification, erasure, restriction, and objection to processing.

Responding to my request

The above contains all necessary information in order for you to process my request and any delay by yourselves will not absolve you from providing me with the information within one calendar month of the date above as this is being sent to you as an attachment by email.

I believe that the information which has been requested should be readily available to you.

This request should not therefore fall within the legal definition of an excessive or manifestly unfounded request and should not attract any processing fee.

I would be grateful for your assistance in processing my request within the required one month period of your receipt.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Full Name]
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: G6PRK on April 04, 2025, 07:03:31 pm
I've received nothing following my reply to their useless response to my complaint. Their complaints policy states 28 days to respond fully to a complaint, or if it will be longer, they'll let me know, which they haven't surprise surprise. As such I'm going to reply again, pointing that out.

@b789 / anyone else with a view - is there any escalatory language you would suggest in that reply?

Additionally, I wonder given there is a data protection element, and somewhat just for fun, if it might be with a SAR at this stage? Any thoughts on that / any suggested wording? It's been a few years since I've done one.
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: b789 on March 25, 2025, 06:24:08 pm
Yes, they need the address to confirm that you are one of their constituents.
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: DWMB2 on March 25, 2025, 06:19:30 pm
When contacting your MP, alongside your name I would also include your address.

In the past when I've contacted my MP, one of their staff has got back to me to ask what my address is before passing the message onto the MP, to make sure that I'm a constituent of theirs.
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: b789 on March 25, 2025, 06:13:52 pm
Yes. It is always your own MP. They can, if necessary contact the MP for the constituency elsewhere.
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: G6PRK on March 25, 2025, 03:42:25 pm
Amazing, thank you @b789. Complaint response sent.

On the MP letter, I assume it should be the MP for my constituency rather than the one where the Railway Station is? Any advantage to sending to both?
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: b789 on March 25, 2025, 03:07:22 pm
As you can see, once there is any pushback on them, they will drop the Penalty Notices and try to run away.

You are witnessing the abject failure of APCOA to respond to the formal complaint. Just looking at the grammar in their response, you can observe the intellectual malnourishment that conditions their response.

The simple statement:

"The register keeper according to the DVLA records is assumed to be the owner of the vehicle unless the contrary is proven."

...can be dismantled by the clear and obvious wording on the front of every V5C:

(https://i.imgur.com/2WQ3UN8.png)

So, now you know the level of intelligence you are dealing with, you can demand that APCOA respond in full to your formal complaint. If they don't, you can escalate to the BPA. You can also escalate to the DVLA anyway as they are in breach of their KADOE contract and have used your data unlawfully.

I suggest you send your outlined response as adapted here:

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Subject: Formal Complaint – Demand for Full Response Under Code of Practice

Dear [Complaints Handler],

Firstly, thank you for confirming that the final “Penalty Notice” has been rightfully cancelled.

I may be misinterpreting, but the tone of your message somewhat suggests this is intended to serve as your formal response to my complaint. I’m sure I don’t need to remind you, but per Section 11.4 of the BPA/IPC Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice:

“A full response to a complaint must be provided by the parking operator within 28 days of its receipt unless exceptional circumstances apply, in which case the complainant must be kept informed by the operator.”

To be clear, I wouldn’t expect you to “comment on internal processes and their outcomes”, as stated in your email, but I do expect a full and substantive reply to the serious concerns I raised. To summarise:

• Why are you, an unregulated private parking company, issuing fake “Penalty Notices” designed to mislead motorists into believing you possess statutory or criminal enforcement powers which you clearly do not?
• Why are you attempting to rely on Railway Byelaws to justify civil enforcement of minor parking indiscretions, despite knowing full well that such matters do not fall within the scope of criminal prosecution under Byelaw 24(1)?
• Why are you directing recipients to a private appeals process in circumstances where you are claiming a statutory breach? Appeals panels have no jurisdiction over alleged criminal offences.
• Why are you asserting that you have a legal basis to infer vehicle ownership from DVLA registered keeper data, when this is explicitly contradicted by the front page of the V5C and by DVLA guidance?
• Why are your communications inconsistent as to who you believe is liable—at times addressing the keeper, at other times the driver or “owner”—with no coherent explanation?
• Why are your communications inconsistent as to what contravention is even alleged to have taken place?
• What failing occurred that allowed your customer service team to ignore straightforward questions from a customer attempting to resolve the matter?
• Why do different members of your staff have conflicting views on what information it is appropriate to disclose to a customer?
• Given I was told that information was disclosed to me which "shouldn’t have been", what assurances can you provide that my personal data—and that of your other customers—is being handled lawfully and securely?
• On what lawful basis under the UK GDPR are you processing and storing my personal data?

Additionally, your use of the term “Penalty Notice”, coupled with the implied criminal consequences, is highly misleading. You are not a prosecuting authority, and your notice cannot be lawfully construed as anything more than a speculative civil invoice. Its presentation—suggesting legal obligation and criminal liability—appears to constitute a breach of Section 2 of the Fraud Act 2006, namely:

“False representation made dishonestly and with intent to make a gain or cause loss.”

In other words, this was an attempt at extortion by deception.

I therefore repeat: this matter is not closed. You remain under an obligation to respond properly to the complaint raised. If a complete response is not received within the statutory timeframe, I will escalate the matter to the BPA, the DVLA, and reserve the right to report it to the police as a matter of criminal fraud.

Yours sincerely,


[Full Name]
[Address]

You could also send the following to your MP, as already advised recently to another recipient of a fake Penalty Notice from APCOA. You can adapt it as necessary to refer to your particular case and reference APCOA:

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Briefing Note: Misleading Use of “Penalty Notices” by Private Parking Companies on Railway Land – Urgent Clarification Required from the Department for Transport

To: [MP's Name]
From: [Your Name / Constituent of [Constituency]]
Date: [Insert Date]
Subject: Misuse of Statutory Language and Questionable Legal Authority by Private Parking Operators at Railway Car Parks

Summary

This briefing seeks your support in raising a Parliamentary Question to the Secretary of State for Transport concerning the apparent misuse of statutory language and implied criminal enforcement powers by private parking companies operating on railway land.

Despite the DfT's tacit acceptance of civil parking enforcement under Byelaw 14, private parking companies continue to issue documents styled as “Penalty Notices”, misleadingly implying they have the authority to impose statutory criminal fines under Byelaw 24(1) — authority which they do not possess. The Department’s own correspondence acknowledges this distinction, yet fails to correct the confusing and legally dubious language being used.

Legal Distinction: Byelaw 14 vs. Byelaw 24(1)

The Railway Byelaws permit two separate and legally distinct enforcement mechanisms:

1. Byelaw 14(4)(i): Permits civil, contractual charges for minor parking infractions, such as overstaying or failure to pay. These are essentially Parking Charge Notices (PCNs) issued under a contractual agreement between the motorist and the operator.

2. Byelaw 24(1): Grants power to prosecute offences under the byelaws in the Magistrates’ Court, resulting in criminal penalties. This route is reserved for serious or repeated breaches and must be initiated by the Train Operating Company or a body with explicit statutory delegation.

The Department for Transport has confirmed that it has no issue with operators issuing PCNs under Byelaw 14(1)-(3) as a civil mechanism for handling minor parking matters. However, the Department has not authorised private parking companies to act under Byelaw 24(1), nor has it suggested that such powers have been delegated to them.

Key Concerns

1. Misuse of the Term “Penalty”

The DfT’s own correspondence refers to these charges as “penalties” [sic], a term which normally implies statutory or criminal consequences. This introduces serious ambiguity, potentially misleading motorists into believing they are being fined under criminal law. In reality, these are civil charges, and using the word “penalty” is legally and ethically problematic.

2. No Statutory Basis for Criminal Enforcement by Operators

Nowhere in DfT guidance or byelaw structure is there any confirmation that a private operator may issue a Penalty Notice with criminal implications. Any such action would require formal delegation under Byelaw 24(1), which has not occurred. As such, any implication of criminal liability is unfounded and misleading.

3. Potential Breach of Law

Operators issuing these misleading notices are in breach of:

• The Fraud Act 2006 – Section 2: false representation made with intent to gain or cause loss
• The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 – Regulation 5: misleading actions likely to cause transactional decisions
• The Companies Act 2006, if corporate identity is used in a way that falsely implies statutory authority

Additionally, the retention of monies paid under such notices in the operator’s private account — rather than remitting to the TOC or public purse — reinforces the view that these are private civil claims masquerading as criminal penalties.

4. Inappropriate Use of Appeals Processes

The DfT encourages operators to provide an independent appeals process (such as POPLA or the IAS), which is appropriate for civil PCNs but has no place in criminal enforcement. Criminal matters are subject to due process through the courts — not private appeals panels.

Conclusion

The DfT has blurred the lines between civil and criminal enforcement, allowing private companies to exploit that ambiguity. While the Department accepts civil charges under Byelaw 14(4)(i), it has failed to intervene where operators unlawfully imply statutory authority and criminal consequences, causing considerable public confusion and potential legal harm.

Proposed Parliamentary Question

I respectfully ask you to table the following question to the Secretary of State for Transport:

"To ask the Secretary of State for Transport whether he will clarify the Department's position on the enforcement of railway byelaws in car parks managed by private parking companies; specifically, whether he accepts that Byelaw 14(4)(i) authorises only civil contractual charges and not criminal penalties, and that any implication by private operators that they possess statutory authority to issue 'Penalty Notices' under Byelaw 24(1) without explicit delegation is misleading, unlawful, and potentially a breach of consumer and fraud legislation."

Alternatively, a follow-up could be:

"To ask the Secretary of State for Transport what steps his Department is taking to prevent private parking operators from misrepresenting civil Parking Charge Notices as statutory 'Penalty Notices' when enforcing railway byelaws; and whether he will review the Department’s communications to ensure that the term 'penalty' is not used in a way that conflates civil enforcement under Byelaw 14(4)(i) with criminal prosecution powers under Byelaw 24(1), for which private operators have no statutory authority."

Supporting Documents

Further examples of misleading “Penalty Notices,” as well as correspondence from the DfT acknowledging the contractual nature of Byelaw 14, can be provided upon request.

Thank you for your time and attention to this matter. I hope you will consider taking action to help restore clarity and protect motorists from deceptive practices.

Yours sincerely,

[Your Full Name]
[Your Address & Postcode] (to confirm constituency)
[Your Email / Phone (optional)]
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: G6PRK on March 25, 2025, 09:42:12 am
Update on this one: both of the PNs that were 'incorrectly' transferred to me were cancelled based on my appeals (shortly after I sent the complaint). I also received a response to the complaint on Saturday - stating the third (the one they refused to transfer from the keeper) has also been cancelled.

That hopefully means that any risk of the keeper business paying is gone - unless there are any more to follow!

Along with confirmation, I got what I think was meant to be an actual response to my complaint - but is clearly insufficient.

(https://i.imgur.com/cJwBmCJ.png)

I intend to respond as follows:

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Dear [COMPLAINT HANDLER],

Firstly, thank you for confirming the final ‘Penalty Notice’ has been rightfully cancelled.

I may be misinterpreting, but the tone of your message somewhat suggests this is your formal response to my complaint. I’m sure I don’t need to remind you but per the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice 11.4:

A full response to a complaint must be provided by the parking operator within 28 days of its receipt unless exceptional circumstances apply, in which case the complainant must be kept informed by the operator.

To be clear, I wouldn’t expect you to "comment on internal processes and their outcomes” per your message, but I do expect a full and thorough response to the real concerns raised in my complaint. In summary:

1. Why are you, an unregulated parking company, issuing fake “Penalty Notices” which appear designed to mislead motorists that you have authority that you do not?
2. Why are you even suggesting that Railway Byelaws are remotely relevant in cases of minor parking indiscretions on railway land?
3. Why are you suggesting that a private parking ‘appeals process’ is even vaguely relevant in the case of a breach of Railway Byelaws?
4. Why are you wrongly claiming you have any legal basis to infer the owner of a vehicle based on its registered keeper?
5. Why between your different communications are you unclear on which party you are trying to hold accountable?
6. Why between your different communications are you unclear on what alleged contravention has even occurred?
7. What failing has occurred that your customer service team think it’s acceptable to ignore a customer asking reasonable questions?
8. What failing has occurred that two different members of your customer service team have different views of what information it is okay to share with a customer?
9. Given I was told that information was disclosed to me that shouldn’t have been, what assurances can you offer that my personal information, and that of your other customers is safe?
10. On what lawful basis under GDPR have you been processing and storing my personal data?

Regards,
[G6PRK]

@b789 would appreciate any thoughts you have on this?

My intention is to exhaust communications with APCOA and then prepare a pack to send to the local MP and maybe the local press.

As a related aside, another car which I am the registered keeper of is likely to receive NtKs in the next week or so, so will be interested to see what the process is like in that case.
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: DWMB2 on March 07, 2025, 08:02:48 pm
All we can do is advise on the legal situation regarding the charges.

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Anyone care to take that bet?
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I'll save my losing bets for Cheltenham next week  ;D
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: G6PRK on March 07, 2025, 07:37:05 pm
I'm actually quite ashamed to admit that I have no idea how the legalities of the arrangement worked. I don't think I ever signed an agreement, just provided my driving license for insurance purposes.

I think that my friend essentially has an agreement for multiple cars on the scheme, and can let anyone named on the insurance use them. So it's plausible that I am not legally anything in the chain - other than a driver (although not admitted in this case).

I've never concerned myself with it since this is the first remotely contentious issue. I've had a handful of run of the mill PCNs and they've just passed them on and I've dealt with them. I assumed these PNs would be the same until the PPC refused to allow them to pass the final one on!  I'll check with my friend when he's back from his holiday how it actually works.

I have no doubt that there would be no court action in this case - so I definitely won't be taking your bet! My only concern was/is the RK misunderstanding the issue or getting spooked by a debt collection letter and paying - then trying to hold my friend responsible.

My friend being the middle-man is the issue - I don't want to be creating issues between him and his employer.
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: b789 on March 07, 2025, 07:07:34 pm
APCOA will never take this as far as any court claim in the county court nor as a criminal prosecution in the magistrates court. They do not litigate as they know they would never win. Their whole modus operandi is to con the recipient of their fake Penalty Notice into pooping their pants and paying up out of ignorance and fear.

As you say you are basically "renting" the vehicle from the RK, do you have any form of legal agreement attesting to this?

I would happily place a £500 bet on the remaining PN never being prosecuted. Anyone care to take that bet?
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: G6PRK on March 07, 2025, 06:59:50 pm
I suppose I should stop using the term owner - I do so to differentiate myself in my mind since I see myself as the keeper which I'm technically not. I suppose I'm the hirer, though I'm not sure that's technically even true in this particular arrangement.

So per my previous comment - in reality, it will remain to be seen if they take it back up with the keeper. Albeit they would seemingly have no leg to stand on since as you say, the byelaws only reference the owner which has no clear legal definition, and it's irrelevant since this isn't a real PN.

The levels of nonsense in this one are silly. I guess they probably know that and don't care. Hence upholding one of the appeals. I'd love to know if the appeal being upheld was purely down to the appeal, or due to the complaint.
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: b789 on March 07, 2025, 06:18:05 pm
Where is this "owners name" recorded? The only "recorded" information for a vehicle is the Registered Keeper (RK). The RK is the person or business responsible for taxing and registering the vehicle.

The RK and the "owner" do not necessarily have to be the same person and any inference that they are is easily challenged in court.

As this is a supposed bylaws penalty (it isn't as it is fake), there is a lack of definition for "owner" in the bylaws. The term "owner" is mentioned but not defined in the byelaws, and so it creates ambiguity.

Without a clear legal definition it is unclear who the byelaw intends to hold responsible—whether it is the person with legal ownership, the registered keeper, or the person in charge of the vehicle (driver).

In criminal cases, as this would be if prosecuted in the magistrates court, such ambiguity can be used in the defendant’s favour because of the principle that laws must be clear and precise to hold someone liable.

In other words, ambiguity in the term "owner" would render the prosecution's reliance on this term insufficient to meet the criminal standard of proof, which in this case would be "beyond a reasonable doubt".
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: G6PRK on March 07, 2025, 05:55:31 pm
One down! Remains to be seen whether they're now going to try to pursue the owner again, but I'll take that as a win!

1 more (in my name), 1 more (in the owners name) and a complaint response to go!

(https://i.imgur.com/cNkRyrY.png)
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: G6PRK on March 06, 2025, 11:52:20 am
Very good. Send it.

However, you should also get your MP involved at this point and show him all the advice and copies of all correspondence so far.

You can explain to the "owner", that nothing can ever come this, even if they ignore everything from APCOA.

Thank you! And thanks for all of the effort you and others put into sharing your knowledge with others - I'm sure you recognised many of your own words in there!

I have submitted to APCOA's complaints email and I will reach out to my MP to see if they have any interest.
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: b789 on March 05, 2025, 06:11:56 pm
Very good. Send it.

However, you should also get your MP involved at this point and show him all the advice and copies of all correspondence so far.

You can explain to the "owner", that nothing can ever come this, even if they ignore everything from APCOA.
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: G6PRK on March 05, 2025, 05:33:46 pm
You're all going to tell me I've the lost the plot, and am wasting my time, but in attempting to convince the owner of the vehicle that I am doing everything I can to deal with these fake notices, I've written a rather lengthy complaint to the PPC.

I'd appreciate if someone could give it a once over to check I'm not likely to create any new problems for myself.

Hosted on Imgur here (https://imgur.com/a/lLcTXYC)
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: b789 on March 04, 2025, 03:57:58 pm
Please show us where we can find the official register of vehicle owners!

The vast majority of keepers who receive these PCNs simply pay them out of ignorance. Some appeal them on mitigating circumstances, are unsuccessful and pay up. The very few who come here for advice and follow it don’t pay penny.

There is nothing for APCOA to change. They simply cannot rely on PoFA to hold the keeper liable if the driver is not identified. Most people don’t know about this loophole.

Those that do, and are prepared to take advantage of it, need never pay again to drop someone off at a barrierless airport drop off. Simples.
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: G6PRK on March 04, 2025, 02:38:11 pm
Okay - thanks.

If they never follow through on any type notice, it begs the question why does anyone bother paying for parking in the first place!  ;D
A significant percentage of people just pay up because they’re intimidated or can’t be bothered, APCOA and the rest know this, how much does it cost to send a letter for which they get £100 in return?
This is the economics of private car parking.
Some companies actually bother to go further, but there are diminishing returns in this for them.
If you know who does or doesn’t, then - as you say - don’t bother paying. Until they change their policy.

I more meant for the original parking! If they don't bother to enforce it in a remotely legal way, what's the point in paying at all - let alone for the nonsense notice. I suppose maybe the actual landowner would take steps eventually if someone really took the ****.



Tell them to show who the “owner” is by referencing the details from the official “Register of UK Vehicle Owners”.

Have a look at the front of any V5C document and tell us what it says very clearly on the front, in bold white, capital letters about ownership.

Touché! Presumably they have gotten the details from DVLA by requesting 'keeper' details rather than owner? Making their premise that they can only pursue the owner even more farcical?
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: jfollows on March 04, 2025, 02:13:18 pm
Okay - thanks.

If they never follow through on any type notice, it begs the question why does anyone bother paying for parking in the first place!  ;D
A significant percentage of people just pay up because they’re intimidated or can’t be bothered, APCOA and the rest know this, how much does it cost to send a letter for which they get £100 in return?
This is the economics of private car parking.
Some companies actually bother to go further, but there are diminishing returns in this for them.
If you know who does or doesn’t, then - as you say - don’t bother paying. Until they change their policy.
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: b789 on March 04, 2025, 01:09:31 pm
Tell them to show who the “owner” is by referencing the details from the official “Register of UK Vehicle Owners”.

Have a look at the front of any V5C document and tell us what it says very clearly on the front, in bold white, capital letters about ownership.
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: G6PRK on March 04, 2025, 01:01:58 pm
Okay - thanks.

If they never follow through on any type notice, it begs the question why does anyone bother paying for parking in the first place!  ;D
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: DWMB2 on March 04, 2025, 10:25:31 am
The issue I have is that they are refusing to transfer 'liability' for one of the notices
They are claiming that they are pursuing a breach of railway byelaws. Under these byelaws, it is the owner of the vehicle that is liable:

(4) In England and Wales
(i) The owner of any motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance used, left or placed in breach of Byelaw 14(1) to 14(3) may be liable to pay a penalty as displayed in that area.

In these cases, APCOA are essentially trying it on - to enforce a breach of byelaws a criminal prosecution in the magistrates court would be necessary. APCOA obviously have no interest in this as any proceeds would not go to them. If you search the forums you'll see much more thorough explanations from b789 about the issues with this set up, and why it doesn't work, and therefore why APCOA can be ignored.

There's not much more you can do to get ahead of things other than to try to convince the company to ignore APCOA's demands. If they do, then APCOA eventually go away. We've never seen a single APCOA case go to court, regardless of whether it is a so called 'penalty' notice or a 'parking charge notice'.
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: G6PRK on March 04, 2025, 09:36:31 am
I really can’t be bothered reading all that swill from “Holly”. I don’t know why you are wasting your time.

Just ignore everything. They cannot do anything. If it were a real Penalty Notice, they could only recover it through the magistrates court. As they are pretending (unlawfully) that it is a Penalty Notice, they cannot recover it as a civil contractual matter through the county courts.

Just ignore any further correspondence from them. If they try to issue a claim through the county courts, it would be thrown out.

Hey - thanks for the reply.

As I mentioned in amongst the rambling in my original post - I completely understand and agree with this perspective based on reading many posts by yourself and others on this topic. 

The issue I have is that they are refusing to transfer 'liability' for one of the notices, and now saying the others shouldn't have been transferred.

As such, I imagine they will continue to pursue the owner of the car for at least the one, if not also the other two. I can and will ignore - but if my friend's employer decides it's not worth the bother and pay, they will likely seek to recover the costs from my friend (and therefore me)

I'm trying to get ahead of the situation in any way I can - other than to tell them not to pay as I obviously already have done.

Thanks
Title: Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: b789 on March 04, 2025, 01:04:42 am
I really can’t be bothered reading all that swill from “Holly”. I don’t know why you are wasting your time.

Just ignore everything. They cannot do anything. If it were a real Penalty Notice, they could only recover it through the magistrates court. As they are pretending (unlawfully) that it is a Penalty Notice, they cannot recover it as a civil contractual matter through the county courts.

Just ignore any further correspondence from them. If they try to issue a claim through the county courts, it would be thrown out.
Title: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
Post by: G6PRK on March 03, 2025, 06:49:19 pm
Hi all,

I appreciate that most of this has been covered already, and I’ve read everything I can find, but I have some questions due to a specific nuance in my situation.

Until recently, I was the ‘keeper’ of a car under a friends and family scheme through my friend’s employer. However, I was not the official keeper on the V5C—this was my friends employer, herein known as 'the owner company'.

APCOA has issued four tickets for ‘Use of a private car park without making a valid payment’ at Bedford Train Station, relying on Railway Byelaws:

Notice 1: Never received—only the follow-up threat letter. The owner company has challenged it.
Notices 2 & 3: Received by the owner company, who named me as the responsible party. APCOA then reissued them to me. I appealed [Image 0 Below] but haven’t received a response yet.
Notice 4: Received by the owner company [Image 1 Below], who again named me as the responsible party. However, this time, APCOA stated they could not reissue it [Image 2 Below].

In all 4 cases, payment had been made on behalf of the driver at the 'at' time stated on the notices, but it's possible that payment wasn't made at the correct 'start time' - not mentioned in the notices.

This afternoon I've had two interesting conversations with APCOA on their live chat [Images 3 & 4 Below]. They're now saying (amongst other things) that Notices 2 & 3 should never have been re-issued to me.

Basically, I'm looking for some advice on how to proceed. If these had been issued directly to me I would simply follow the common wisdom to ignore, but I'm concerned that the owner company will potentially pressure me to pay, or pay and expect me to reimburse. I'd be half inclined to do so in order to make life easy for myself and my friend, but I really can't bear to give these companies money.

Image 0 (My Appeal)

(https://i.imgur.com/3596id8.png)

Image 1 (PN)

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Image 2 (Response from APCOA RE Notice 4)

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Image 3 (First Live Chat Conversation)

(https://i.imgur.com/1B6xEcC.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/CJHEKbG.png)
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Image 4 (Second Live Chat Conversation)

(https://i.imgur.com/K98PAtC.png)
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