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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: observer22 on March 03, 2025, 04:19:44 pm

Title: Re: TfL, Driving in a bus lane, Bromley Rd
Post by: Hippocrates on March 04, 2025, 02:53:44 pm
1. Ask for the video.

2. My draft is here which may need to be tweaked:

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/bus-lane-pcn-tfl-a406-n-circular-w-bnd-chequers-way-green-lanes/msg39529/#msg39529

3. No evidence of upright warning signs 958 or Bus lane sign 959B passed.

4.  Inexact locus.
Title: Re: TfL, Driving in a bus lane, Bromley Rd
Post by: observer22 on March 04, 2025, 09:27:44 am
Quote from: Hippocrates on March 03, 2025, 07:17:37 pm
I have a technical appeal re the PCN and will dig it out later. I have won 4 out of 4 recently.

I would be happy to give it a go, thanks!
Title: Re: TfL, Driving in a bus lane, Bromley Rd
Post by: observer22 on March 04, 2025, 09:26:52 am
Quote from: John U.K. on March 03, 2025, 04:38:24 pm
There are at least these 'Bromley Roads' in the TfL area
Bromley Road (E17)
Bromley Road (N17)
Bromley Road (SE6)
Bromley Road Chislehurst
Bromley Road Beckenham

Does Bromley Road SE BND mean SE as in postal district or South-East Bound as in direction of travel?

It may be clutching at straws, but the location is meant to readily identify the location to the registered keeper, who may well not have been the driver on the day in question.

You need to telephone TfL and ask for them to send you the video (the evidence) and place the PCN on hold whilst they do so, and do watch deadlines.

If we decode the location as "Bromley Road South-East Bound Opposite Watermead Road" then that is accurate. It looks like there is only one "Watermead Road" in the whole of London ...

Called TfL and asked for the video as well.
Title: Re: TfL, Driving in a bus lane, Bromley Rd
Post by: Hippocrates on March 03, 2025, 07:17:37 pm
I have a technical appeal re the PCN and will dig it out later. I have won 4 out of 4 recently.
Title: Re: TfL, Driving in a bus lane, Bromley Rd
Post by: John U.K. on March 03, 2025, 04:38:24 pm
There are at least these 'Bromley Roads' in the TfL area
Bromley Road (E17)
Bromley Road (N17)
Bromley Road (SE6)
Bromley Road Chislehurst
Bromley Road Beckenham

Does Bromley Road SE BND mean SE as in postal district or South-East Bound as in direction of travel?

It may be clutching at straws, but the location is meant to readily identify the location to the registered keeper, who may well not have been the driver on the day in question.

You need to telephone TfL and ask for them to send you the video (the evidence) and place the PCN on hold whilst they do so, and do watch deadlines.
Title: TfL, Driving in a bus lane, Bromley Rd
Post by: observer22 on March 03, 2025, 04:19:44 pm
Hello,

I received a PCN for being in a bus lane. The bus lane is in operation 24/7 and I briefly entered it to avoid stopping for a car turning right. Not an excuse but then the bus lanes on this road are 95% of the time empty... The camera is fairly recent as well, was installed in the past few weeks / months.

Are there any ways to get this ticket challenged ? I am happy to try as long as there are some chances of success.
I don't know if it's relevant but I am no longer the registered keeper of the car, although I was on the day of the contravention. 

This is the spot on google maps: https://www.google.com/maps/place/51%C2%B025'45.7%22N+0%C2%B000'51.0%22W/@51.4293618,-0.0148127,247

And here is the PCN:
(https://i.imgur.com/rP4PTt8.png)


Is there any technical argument that can be used against TFL ? I remember that I while ago bus cameras weren't legally approved to be used for enforcement.

Thanks.