It certainly looks like it, I expect you'll get a notice of acceptance in the post soon. If not, that screenshot is a get out of jail free card, so you've won either way.Perfecto! No way will I be joining 'mugged'😂. Will update here once I receive the NOA letter🤝.
Well done!
No worries, all good. Was just asking incase maybe you got it.Unfortunately it's not due back until 6 May, so I can't chase until the 7th.You're right, I requested the order for Dongola Road but actually this location is Dongola Road West, so I've now requested the correct order.Hi Cp8759, Just wanted to ask if you've managed to get a hold of an order for this location?
OP, at the present moment the only significance of the Order that I can see is if the authority re-offer the discount in a NOR, you then have to factor in its contents to your decision making. But as there's no post until Tues. 22nd so even if the discount is re-offered in a NOR then it's likely that you'll be within any 14-day extension even by 6 May.Yes, just waiting for their response atm and then we can go from there.
Wait for their response to your formal reps.
Unfortunately it's not due back until 6 May, so I can't chase until the 7th.You're right, I requested the order for Dongola Road but actually this location is Dongola Road West, so I've now requested the correct order.Hi Cp8759, Just wanted to ask if you've managed to get a hold of an order for this location?
You're right, I requested the order for Dongola Road but actually this location is Dongola Road West, so I've now requested the correct order.Hi Cp8759, Just wanted to ask if you've managed to get a hold of an order for this location?
For later, the permit parking places are apparently implemented by The Newham (Prince Regent) (Parking Places) (No. 1) Order 2014 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SPqkX65Yy0n-vXkFYRqWuI8sXmN8J4u-/view). I'll ask for the amendment that turned it into a PPA.Can't be Prince Regent? If it was then the zone identifier would be PR. The sign in the photos says PN which is likely Plaistow North?
No worries, I will update here on the outcome as soon as I receive the letter. Thank you :)I think you did see it but forgot about it? You did comment mentioning the CEO handbook has no weight. If you scroll up slightly I've attached the Notice to Owner file, alongside my Formal Rep letter. Unfortunately for me I got carried away, very silly of me. So I'm waiting to see if the accept/reject it, but if they reject it then I'll get a notice of rejection letter right?
Right, I see what you mean, so you've made a formal representation and you're waiting for the notice of rejection. Let us know when you get it and we'll see what the options are.
I think you did see it but forgot about it? You did comment mentioning the CEO handbook has no weight. If you scroll up slightly I've attached the Notice to Owner file, alongside my Formal Rep letter. Unfortunately for me I got carried away, very silly of me. So I'm waiting to see if the accept/reject it, but if they reject it then I'll get a notice of rejection letter right?
I think you did see it but forgot about it? You did comment mentioning the CEO handbook has no weight. If you scroll up slightly I've attached the Notice to Owner file, alongside my Formal Rep letter. Unfortunately for me I got carried away, very silly of me. So I'm waiting to see if the accept/reject it, but if they reject it then I'll get a notice of rejection letter right?With the best will in the world I don't have time to look at something that is not time-critical, let me know when you have a notice to owner and I'll look at this again.No worries, it's all good. I will inform here on the outcome of my formal appeal.
Please don't get ahead of yourself, you've not made an appeal, you've not even made a formal representation. Let us know when you receive the notice to owner and we will help you draft a formal representation. Please don't go it alone because if you do and it doesn't work out, it then may be too late for us to help.
With the best will in the world I don't have time to look at something that is not time-critical, let me know when you have a notice to owner and I'll look at this again.No worries, it's all good. I will inform here on the outcome of my formal appeal.
With the best will in the world I don't have time to look at something that is not time-critical, let me know when you have a notice to owner and I'll look at this again.No worries, it's all good. I will inform here on the outcome of my formal appeal.
Part of what you've submitted is misconceived (the CEO handbook has no legal weight whatsoever), but we are where we are.I understand. My fault for getting carried away. :(
Here is The Newham (Plaistow North) (Disabled Resident Parking Places) (No. 2, 2017) (Amendment No. 4) Order 2022 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FeJrTnVktgE_T1Z2JslyCUTgk3YZFK82/view).Also I've realised something. It states ' Dongola Road West, the north side, from a point 3.5 metres west of a point opposite the
Any sign of the NTO yet?
OP, you hold a permit. It therefore follows that you are local.Sorry I'm aware you have requested not GSV photos but there are still some cars at the location so I provided a snip of the area from 2016 and added lines to show where I was parked. Not the best of picture, sorry.
Can we please have clear photos(not dated GSV etc. but photos) of where you were parked. Other posters to their credit are trying to fill in your gaps when it's easier for you to do so definitively.
No substantially compliant parking place markings = no contravention.
Substantially compliant markings but no underlying TMO restriction = no contravention.
Here is The Newham (Plaistow North) (Disabled Resident Parking Places) (No. 2, 2017) (Amendment No. 4) Order 2022 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FeJrTnVktgE_T1Z2JslyCUTgk3YZFK82/view).Hi there, thank you for getting the TMO for me, I appreciate it a lot.
Any sign of the NTO yet?
OP, you hold a permit. It therefore follows that you are local.Yes I agree with you. I went ahead with No parking place markings. I will later today show where I was parked, theres some cars currently parked at the location now.
Can we please have clear photos(not dated GSV etc. but photos) of where you were parked. Other posters to their credit are trying to fill in your gaps when it's easier for you to do so definitively.
No substantially compliant parking place markings = no contravention.
Substantially compliant markings but no underlying TMO restriction = no contravention.
1) Yes my neighbours appeal was this: Dear Sir/madam,
Hi there, thank you for your message.
Fingers crossed, a neighbour of mine fought for his ticket, parked in the same position and have and had the PCN cancelled due to no valid bay being present.
Edit: Despite me mentioning I'm not parked in the bay, they said I have parked in a bay near the bottom of the letter.
1. Do you know on what basis your neighbour successfully challenged his PCN? How did he demonstrate it wasn't a valid bay?
2. When you say "Despite me mentioning I'm not parked in the bay" are you questioning where Newham say you were parked, or are you saying that where you were parked isn't correctly signed as a disabled bay?
The traffic order appears to be the "THE NEWHAM (PLAISTOW NORTH) (DISABLED RESIDENT PARKING PLACES) (NO. 2, 2017) (AMENDMENT NO. 4) ORDER 2022" (https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/3988823).
This order refers to a bay on the north side of Dongola Road West, outside the Howard Baker Nursery.
The Gazette notice for the order says;
"2. The general effect of the Orders would be to introduce disabled resident parking places for use only by persons who are resident within the relevant Controlled Parking Zones (CPZs), who meet the current criteria for the provision of parking places for disabled persons and who have been issued disabled resident parking permits. Certain other vehicles may wait in the parking places in certain circumstances, e.g., to load or unload goods or pick up or set down passengers. Details of the disabled resident parking places, including the CPZs and locations, are set out in the Schedule to this Notice."
So it's a DRPP bay. The sign should say "Disabled residents permit holders only" with the zone identifier for Plaistow North. Only a person who has a Disabled residents parking permit for zone Plaistow North can use the bay. A standard residents permit holder cannot park there and neither can a Blue Badge holder without the correct DRPP. That's the arrangement all over Newham.
There's no reference in the traffic order to any time limit on DRPP bays.
PM our administrator @cp8759 and see has he got, or can get, the official traffic order?
Hi there, thank you for your message.
Fingers crossed, a neighbour of mine fought for his ticket, parked in the same position and have and had the PCN cancelled due to no valid bay being present.
Edit: Despite me mentioning I'm not parked in the bay, they said I have parked in a bay near the bottom of the letter.
If it's not marked then it doesn't exist because every unmarked length of street IS reserved to permit holders PN and nobody else, this is what PPAs are all about.Hi there, thank you for your message.
You cannot have a Disabled bay co-existing with a permit holder's only bay.
The ONLY options for parking bays in a PPA are:
Unmarked - for the permit holders specified on the gateway signs.
Marked - Must be marked as specified on the signs placed within the markings.
So are there still PPA signs there as in 2022 - Newham has been taking some out and converting to CPZs.Hi there, thank you for the message.
Presuming they are the signs there they should have an exception for signed bays for other parking other than PPA permit holders.
As for the disabled bay I had to go back to 2012 to find reasonable road markings and obviously if the order still puts the bay there as it probably does by the dropped kerb for the nursery then you are in it.
(https://i.imgur.com/xeilQZ0.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/FOyn3Tg.png)
A Permit Parking Area:Hi there, Thank you for your response.
an area—
(a)
into which each entrance for vehicular traffic has been indicated by the sign provided for at item 5 of the sign table in Part 3 of Schedule 5; and
(b)
where any parking place within that area reserved for the use of the permit holders as indicated on that sign is not shown by markings on the road (whether or not an upright sign is placed next to, or near, such a parking place to indicate that only the permit holders in question may use the place)
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/1/made
Which means that any and every length of street reserved for different users must be marked. It's no different to any other length of street.
The permit parking area entry sign should say 'except in signed bays' if there are exceptions in the PPA.Hello, thank you for your message
I've checked and there is an order for a disabled bay in the PPA but I'd say the entry sign possibly overrules this and they've let the bay marking degrade.
I have looked at the council photos online. Although I do not see a painted bay I do see your car was right next to a sign saying disabled badge holders only. I think you have an uphill fight onHi there, thank you for your message.
Presumably you missed these signs as you drove into the street ?
https://maps.app.goo.gl/8XwwVX4jjcsLNh96A
However the PCN is for parking in a designated disabled parking bay, and to do this you would need both a BB and also a permit for the street. I presume you don't hold a permit for parking on this street. Wait for others to comment, but I don't think you are holding a strong hand appeal-wise.