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Title: Re: GroupNexus free parking overstay Aylesbury and faulty machine
Post by: hairyfrogfish on June 11, 2025, 09:58:48 pm
For example: wife parks the car (Person B) and feels bad about the fine - even though it was the machine that was faulty.

All paperwork arrives in husband Keeper's name (Person A).

Person B is dealing with the admin as it's her "fault" but doesn't want to start potential court proceedings/threatening letters in the name of Person A, meaningless though they may turn out to be; it's stressful.

But I fear I have strayed from the point - your advice has been excellent, and now I need to decide if I have the bottle!
Title: Re: GroupNexus free parking overstay Aylesbury and faulty machine
Post by: b789 on June 11, 2025, 09:53:39 pm
I don't really understand your point. The person who has to deal with this is the Keeper. Anyone can deal with it for the Keeper but it has to be done in the Keepers name.

The driver is the only person actually liable but they have no idea who the driver is unless the Keeper blabs the identity of the driver, inadvertently or otherwise. If their Notice to Keeper is 100% fully compliant with the requirements of PoFA 2012, then they can transfer liability from the unknown driver to the known Keeper.

So, without understanding who person A or B is in relation to the Keeper/Driver, it means nothing. Just in case there are two different drivers involved, the liable driver is the one who drove in and parked. But they still have no idea who that is unless the Keeper tells them.
Title: Re: GroupNexus free parking overstay Aylesbury and faulty machine
Post by: hairyfrogfish on June 11, 2025, 09:40:23 pm
Thanks so much. There's a slight extra complication in that the "keeper" (Person A) and the person sorting out the admin (the Person B who used the machine) is not the same person. So while Person B might be willing to take the risk, it's in Person A's name - which doesn't feel fair to them.
Title: Re: GroupNexus free parking overstay Aylesbury and faulty machine
Post by: b789 on June 11, 2025, 09:37:38 pm
Any claim made will include a fake added £60 or £70 plus fixed claim fee of £35 and fixed legal costs of £50. No judge would allow the fake added fee. At the end of the day, even if you were a 'one percenter', the judgment would be less than the original claim.

It's up to you. If you don't think that the PCN has been issued unfairly and you are bang to rights, pay it. That is how this unregulated industry works. They rely on the gullibility and ignorance of their victims to give up and just pay it, mostly out of fear.
Title: Re: GroupNexus free parking overstay Aylesbury and faulty machine
Post by: hairyfrogfish on June 11, 2025, 09:31:15 pm
Thank you. And if the court does decide against us (appreciate from what you've said it's unlikely), will it be £xxx compared with the fine of £100 at the moment?
Title: Re: GroupNexus free parking overstay Aylesbury and faulty machine
Post by: b789 on June 11, 2025, 09:01:59 pm
What happens next is you start receiving demands for payment in useless debt recovery letters. You can safely ignore all debt collector letters as they are powerless to actually do anything except to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear.

Eventually, you will receive a Letter of Claim and we assist with a suitable response. When the claim is eventually issued, we provide a template defence and further advice. At no point will you receive CCJ, even if it did go to court and you were one of the less than 1% that lose.

If you follow our advice, the you won't be paying a penny to GroupNexus.

Do you have any understanding of how someone gets a CCJ? Nothing we advise on here will make anyone get a CCJ.

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A County Court Judgment (CCJ) does not just happen—it follows a clear legal process. If someone gets a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) from a private parking company, here's what happens step by step:

1. Parking Charge Notice (PCN) Issued

• The parking company sends a letter (Notice to Keeper) demanding money.

• This is not a fine—it’s an invoice for an alleged breach of contract.

2. Opportunity to Appeal

• The recipient can appeal to the parking company.

•If rejected, they may be able to appeal to POPLA (if BPA member) or IAS (if IPC member).

• If an appeal is lost or ignored, the parking company demands payment.

3. Debt Collection Letters

• The parking company might send scary letters or pass the case to a debt collector.

• Debt collectors have no power—they just send letters and can be ignored.

No CCJ happens at this stage.

4. Letter Before Claim (LBC)

• If ignored for long enough, the parking company (or their solicitor) sends a Letter Before Claim (LBC).

• This is a warning that they may start a court case.

• The recipient has 30 days to reply before a claim is filed.

No CCJ happens at this stage.

5. County Court Claim Issued

• If ignored or unpaid, the parking company may file a claim with the County Court.

• The court sends a Claim Form with details of the claim and how to respond.

• The recipient has 14 days to respond (or 28 days if they acknowledge it).

No CCJ happens at this stage.

6. Court Process

• If the recipient defends the claim, a judge decides if they owe money.

• If the recipient ignores the claim, the parking company wins by default.

No CCJ happens yet unless the recipient loses and ignores the court.

7. Judgment & Payment

• If the court rules that money is owed, the recipient has 30 days to pay in full.

• If they pay within 30 days, no CCJ goes on their credit file.

• If they don’t pay within 30 days, the CCJ stays on their credit file for 6 years.

Conclusion

CCJs do not appear out of thin air. They only happen if:

• A parking company takes the case to court.

• The person loses or ignores the case.

• The person fails to pay within 30 days.

If you engage with the process (appeal, defend, or pay on time), no CCJ happens.
Title: Re: GroupNexus free parking overstay Aylesbury and faulty machine
Post by: hairyfrogfish on June 11, 2025, 06:09:17 pm
That's a good point - I guess I just don't want to end up having to prepare legal documentation with no proof (other than my conscience!) that the machine wasn't working properly. I don't want charge upon charge upon charge or a CCJ.

To be honest I don't really know what happens next if I still don't pay, and would appreciate advice.
Title: Re: GroupNexus free parking overstay Aylesbury and faulty machine
Post by: b789 on June 11, 2025, 06:06:59 pm
What "bandwidth" do youy think you need to defend this if/when they litigate? These claims are easy to beat and the odds of one actually progressing all the way to a hearing is very small.
Title: Re: GroupNexus free parking overstay Aylesbury and faulty machine
Post by: hairyfrogfish on June 11, 2025, 03:57:39 pm
This was their reply.

My appeal was based around the fact that the machine wasn't working properly (genuinely wasn't!) and was sending people round in loops. It didn't recognise the numberplate when it was entered, and any attempt to pay honestly kicked the user out of the machine again to start all over again. Also a different driver parked the car to the one who picked it up later. This was their response (sorry for block text).

The appellant has raised the following points from their grounds of appeal. • As there were two separate drivers, who would be liable. • They are the registered keeper, they are under not legal obligation to name the driver, they will not be doing so. • If the parking operator intend to pursue the PCN, they must provide a clear and substantiated explanation of whom they believe is liable. • The Notice to Keeper (NTK) does not comply with multiple sections of Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012. • Driver two in good faith tried to pay for parking several times, the machine was faulty, there was a long queue of people waiting to pay, as person after person tried to pay and failed to pay, if the PCN is to process, they would like to see everyone one else within the timestamped period was successful at paying. • The machine told driver two they could exit the car park without the need to pay, they reasonable assume this meant the registration number was cleared to leave. • The machine failed to recognise the vehicle registration, other people had the same issues, confirming it was not an isolated incident. • The machine eventually prompted driver two to select a parking duration, as they were unsure of the exact time the vehicle had been parked, they selected <2 hours based on the machine’s guidance, they were then told there was nothing to pay. • The equipment failed to function correctly. • No breach occurred, the driver attempted to pay but was prevented due to machine malfunction, the PCN is unfair and unenforceable due to the failure of the parking system. • The vehicle was parked by driver one within the two hours free parking limit, a driver two, a different person later returned to the car, unware of the exact time the vehicle was first parked. • The have requested the parking operator provided specific evidence. After reviewing the parking operator’s evidence, the appellant reiterates their grounds of appeal, and expands on their grounds of appeal.

Assessor supporting rational for decision
POPLA is a single stage appeal service, we are impartial and independent of the sector. We consider the evidence provided by both parties to assess whether the PCN has been issued correctly by the parking operator and to determine if the driver has complied with the terms and conditions for the use of the car park or site. Our remit only extends to allowing or refusing an appeal. The signs make it clear that motorists using the car park can stay for an initial two hours free, after this time tariff apply, and if these terms and conditions are not met a charge of £100 will be issued The images of the vehicle captured upon entry and exit confirm the time the vehicle was on this land for two hours 54 minutes, which is 54 minutes longer than the free period The operator has evidenced from its system report that there was no payment registered for this vehicle to park on this land on the date of the event, they have shown the payment systems at the car park to be working on the day, with an extensive list of payments made by other motorists. I will now consider the appellant’s grounds of appeal to determine if they dispute the validity of the PCN. Within their appeal the appellant had requested the parking operator provided certain information, however, it is not the role of POPLA to collect evidence or contact witnesses. In assessing this appeal I will look at the evidence that is provided to me from both parties and decide based on this alone. Each party is invited to submit evidence that they believe will strengthen their case. The parking operator is not obligated to provide anything requested by the appellant. The Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012 is a law that allows parking operators to transfer the liability to the registered keeper in the event that the driver or hirer is not identified. Parking operators have to follow certain rules including warning the registered keeper that they will be liable if the parking operator is not provided with the name and address of the driver. In this case, the PCN in question has the necessary information and the parking operator has therefore successfully transferred the liability onto the registered keeper. The parking operator is not required to provide evidence of who was driving the vehicle. It is the responsibility of the registered keeper to supply the parking operator with the full name and a valid address for service of the driver. Since the appellant did not provide the driver’s details, and therefore did not give the operator the opportunity to reissue the NTK to the driver, liability for the PCN remains with the appellant as the registered keeper. As above, the site in question allows the initial two hours free, any parking time over this needs to be purchased. When parking on private land, it is the responsibility of all motorists to be aware of how long their vehicle has remained at the site and to make the appropriate payment for parking to cover the full duration of their stay. The appellant has stated the driver, and others has issues with the payment option on the day, while I accept this is entirely possible, the appellant has not provided any evidence of this within their appeal for consideration. While as above the parking operator has provided evidence which demonstrates ticket machines at the site were working normally on the day within many payments made during the parking period, due to this, I am satisfied the motorist had sufficient opportunity to select the correct time and purchase the relevant amount of parking to cover the duration of their stay. Despite the appellant's comments on the parking operator's evidence, I have not found any information that has a material impact on my assessment of the PCN. The signage at the site is clear that failure to pay for parking, regardless of the reason, would result in the issue of a PCN. By leaving the site without a valid payment, the motorist has accepted the potential consequence of incurring a PCN. After considering the evidence from both parties, the motorist exceeded the free parking time without payment, and therefore did not comply with the terms and conditions of the site. As such, I am satisfied the parking charge has been issued correctly and I must refuse the appeal. Any questions relating to payment of the parking charge should be directed to the operator.
Title: Re: GroupNexus free parking overstay Aylesbury and faulty machine
Post by: DWMB2 on June 11, 2025, 03:52:12 pm
is there any way of getting the fee back down to £60? It seems unreasonable as it's not my fault the appeal took so long to be adjudicated.
No - it said on the back of the notice you received that the option to pay at £60 is contingent on not appealing to POPLA. Out of interest, can you show us what you submitted as your POPLA appeal, and what the assessor's decision was?

If GroupNexus use DCB Legal to issue a claim (as they usually do) then there's a very strong chance we can get it discontinued before it actually reaches a court hearing.
Title: Re: GroupNexus free parking overstay Aylesbury and faulty machine
Post by: hairyfrogfish on June 11, 2025, 03:48:11 pm
Hi all

Popla have rejected the appeal, and at this stage I was happy just to pay it, but I see it has gone up from £60 to £100 as a result of appealing the charge, which seems unfair.

I don't have the bandwidth to take this to court at the moment, but is there any way of getting the fee back down to £60? It seems unreasonable as it's not my fault the appeal took so long to be adjudicated.

Thanks
Title: Re: GroupNexus free parking overstay Aylesbury and faulty machine
Post by: hairyfrogfish on March 25, 2025, 06:02:57 pm
So, as expected, they have rejected the appeal with the following information.

What's the best way to proceed? The same appeal letter that you kindly advised me on first time round?





Thank you for your correspondence relating to your Parking Charge.


The Charge was issued and the signage is displayed in compliance with The Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice and all relevant laws and regulations.


Clear signs throughout this site advise drivers how to pay the parking fee via the Trust Parking app if you were unable to pay at the machines on site.


Clear signs at the entrance of this site and throughout inform drivers of the 2 hours maximum stay with the option to extend with payment and it is not possible to access any part of the premises without passing multiple signs. Your representations are not considered a mitigating circumstance for appeal.


We confirm the Charge was issued under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. As no driver details have been provided, we are holding the registered keeper of the vehicle liable.


In light of this, on this occasion, your representations have been carefully considered and rejected.


We can confirm that we will hold the Charge at the current rate of £60 for a further 14 days from the date of this correspondence. If no payment is received within this period, and no further appeal to POPLA is made, the Charge will escalate and further costs may be added.


Please find below the payment options:
Title: Re: GroupNexus free parking overstay Aylesbury and faulty machine
Post by: DWMB2 on March 02, 2025, 11:03:01 am
No point wasting your money on postage. If you're using the online form, just take care that there aren't any drop down boxes etc. That force or trick you into identifying the driver.
Title: Re: GroupNexus free parking overstay Aylesbury and faulty machine
Post by: b789 on March 02, 2025, 10:00:35 am
No and yes.
Title: Re: GroupNexus free parking overstay Aylesbury and faulty machine
Post by: hairyfrogfish on March 02, 2025, 09:48:45 am
Any benefit in appealing by post, or is it fine to use their online appeals system?
Title: Re: GroupNexus free parking overstay Aylesbury and faulty machine
Post by: b789 on March 01, 2025, 06:43:13 pm
At the initial appeal... zero. They never accept any initial appeal as there is no money in it for them. Probably a 50/50 chance at POPLA and if that is unsuccessful, around 99% chance of success if it goes to a court claim.
Title: Re: GroupNexus free parking overstay Aylesbury and faulty machine
Post by: hairyfrogfish on March 01, 2025, 06:26:51 pm
Wow, this is amazing, thank you. What do you think my chances of success are?
Title: Re: GroupNexus free parking overstay Aylesbury and faulty machine
Post by: b789 on March 01, 2025, 06:18:44 pm
Appeal with the following by emailing it as a pdf attachment to info@groupnexus.co.uk and CC in yourself:

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Subject: Appeal Against Parking Charge Notice [PCN Reference Number]

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am appealing as the registered keeper of the vehicle in relation to the Parking Charge Notice referenced above. The charge must be cancelled on the following grounds:

1. No Breach Occurred – The Driver Attempted to Pay but Was Prevented Due to Machine Malfunction

The parking charge is unfair and unenforceable due to a failure of your payment system, which prevented the driver from making payment despite multiple good-faith attempts.

The vehicle was parked by Driver 1 within the 2-hour free parking limit.

Driver 2 (a different person) later returned to the car, unaware of the exact time the vehicle was first parked.

Driver 2 attempted to pay at the payment machine but encountered a system failure where:

• The machine failed to recognise the vehicle registration.

• The system repeatedly restarted the process, preventing payment from being completed.

• Multiple users in the queue faced similar issues, confirming this was not an isolated incident.

The machine eventually prompted Driver 2 to select a parking duration. As they were unsure of the exact time the vehicle had been parked, they selected "<2 hours" based on the machine’s guidance, which then instructed them that no payment was required.

Your equipment failed to function correctly, and the driver acted in complete reliance on the machine’s instructions. The parking charge arose solely due to your own system failure, not due to any deliberate breach of terms. It is wholly unreasonable to enforce a charge under these circumstances.

2. As There Were Two Separate Drivers, Who Would Be Liable?

Since two different individuals were involved—one who parked the car and another who attempted to pay—the situation is unclear.

You are alleging an overstay, but which driver do you claim to be liable?

I, as the registered keeper, am under no legal obligation to identify either driver, and I will not be doing so.

If you intend to pursue this charge, you must provide a clear and substantiated explanation of whom you believe is liable. Any continued pursuit against the keeper would only be valid if full compliance with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) is demonstrated—which, as shown below, is not the case.

3. The Notice to Keeper Fails to Comply with PoFA 2012 (Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(e))

Your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not contain the required invitation for the keeper to either pay the charge or provide the driver’s details.

Paragraph 9(2)(e) of PoFA explicitly requires that the NtK "must state that the creditor does not know the name or address of the driver and invite the keeper to pay the unpaid parking charges".

Your NtK does not contain such an invitation. Instead, it misrepresents the legal position by stating that the driver is required to pay.

Since your notice fails to meet this statutory requirement, you cannot hold the registered keeper liable, and the charge must be cancelled.

4. The Notice to Keeper Fails to Identify the Creditor (PoFA 9(2)(h)) & Misrepresents Keeper Liability (PoFA 9(2)(f))

Your NtK fails to name the creditor, which is a mandatory requirement under PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(h). Instead, it is issued by CP Plus Ltd. t/a GroupNexus. However:

PoFA requires that the NtK must explicitly identify the party that is legally entitled to recover the charge.

• CP Plus Ltd. t/a GroupNexus is merely an agent acting on behalf of the landowner. As an agent, you cannot claim to be the creditor or have the legal right to enforce this charge.

• Nowhere in your NtK do you specify who the actual principal (creditor) is.

Additionally, your NtK misrepresents keeper liability under PoFA 9(2)(f) by stating:

“You are advised that if, after a period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the Charge is given (which is presumed to be the second working day after the Date Issued) the Parking Charge has not been paid in full and we do not know both the name and current address of the driver, we have the right to recover any unpaid part of the Parking Charge from you.”

This is a misrepresentation of PoFA 9(2)(f).

PoFA does not grant an automatic right to recover the charge from the keeper.

Instead, PoFA states that the creditor will have the right to recover the charge—but only if full compliance with all PoFA conditions is met.

Since your NtK fails to name the creditor and fails to meet other PoFA requirements, keeper liability does not apply.

Since the NtK does not establish compliance with PoFA, you cannot transfer liability to the registered keeper, and the charge must be cancelled.

Formal Request for Evidence

If you refuse this appeal, I require the following evidence:

1. A full, timestamped log of all payment machine transactions on the date in question, showing attempted and failed payments.

2. Confirmation of whether any technical faults were reported at the payment machines on this date.

3. A copy of your contract with the landowner confirming your legal standing to issue and enforce charges.

4. Confirmation of the identity of the creditor to whom the charge is owed.

If you cannot provide this evidence, it will be assumed that no valid charge exists, and any further pursuit will be considered vexatious.

I expect confirmation of cancellation or a valid POPLA code should you reject this appeal.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
Registered Keeper
Title: GroupNexus free parking overstay Aylesbury and faulty machine
Post by: hairyfrogfish on March 01, 2025, 04:13:59 pm
Hoping you can help with a slightly complex case.

1. Driver 1 parked the car in the public car park, with a 2-hour free=-parking limit.

2. Driver 2 (a different person!) picked up the car later, but unaware exactly what time Driver 1 had parked the car.

3. Driver 2 went to the pay machines. Nobody ahead in the queue was able to get the machine to accept payment.

4. Driver 2 waited for their turn and entered the registration. The machine said the registration was not recognised. Driver 2 did not know how long the car had been parked for but estimated 3 hours.

5. The machine did not accept payment and sent Driver 2 back to the start of the process.

6. Driver 2 entered the registration again. The machine still didn't recognise the registration and Driver 2 told the machine that the car had been there less than 2 hours, and the machine said the driver could exit the car park without incurring a charge.

Today a parking notice was received. Whilst it's going to be impossible to prove the machine was faulty, surely the parking company would know this was the case?

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