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Title: Re: PCN McDonalds Mondial Way Harlington UB3 5AR
Post by: DWMB2 on April 22, 2025, 10:11:44 am
That means they've given up. Good result, well done!
Title: Re: PCN McDonalds Mondial Way Harlington UB3 5AR
Post by: Altselgreen on April 22, 2025, 10:09:06 am
I think this is good news! Thank you all very much for your help and support. It is incredibly appreciated 🙏

“The operator has contacted us and told us that they have withdrawn your appeal.

If you have already paid your parking charge, this is the reason your appeal will have been withdrawn. Unfortunately, you cannot pay your parking charge and appeal, which means that POPLA’s involvement in your appeal has ended. You will not be able to request a refund of the amount paid in order to resubmit your appeal to us.

If you have not paid your parking charge, the operator has reviewed your appeal and chosen to cancel the parking charge. As the operator has withdrawn your appeal, POPLA’s involvement has now ended and you do not need to take any further action.

Kind regards

POPLA Team”
Title: Re: PCN McDonalds Mondial Way Harlington UB3 5AR
Post by: Altselgreen on April 10, 2025, 10:46:20 am
Thank you
Title: Re: PCN McDonalds Mondial Way Harlington UB3 5AR
Post by: b789 on April 10, 2025, 10:45:08 am
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Title: Re: PCN McDonalds Mondial Way Harlington UB3 5AR
Post by: Altselgreen on April 10, 2025, 10:34:43 am
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Title: Re: PCN McDonalds Mondial Way Harlington UB3 5AR
Post by: Altselgreen on April 10, 2025, 10:33:35 am
Which section of the POPLA appeals options should I use in this case?

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Title: Re: PCN McDonalds Mondial Way Harlington UB3 5AR
Post by: Altselgreen on April 07, 2025, 12:24:09 pm
Fantastic! Thank you so much for that - T
Title: Re: PCN McDonalds Mondial Way Harlington UB3 5AR
Post by: b789 on April 07, 2025, 12:15:27 pm
Here is a draft POPLA appeal you can submit:

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This appeal is submitted by the registered keeper in respect of a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) issued by Smart Parking Ltd. The PCN is disputed in its entirety on the following grounds:

1. Failure to Comply with Paragraph 9(4) of Schedule 4 to the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) – Late Delivery of the Notice to Keeper

2. No Evidence That the Person Being Pursued Was the Driver – No Keeper Liability Can Arise

3. Inadequate and Unclear Signage – No Contract Can Be Formed

4. No Evidence of Landowner Authority – Operator Is Put to Strict Proof

Each of these grounds is a valid and independent basis for cancellation of the charge.

1. Failure to Comply with Paragraph 9(4) of Schedule 4 to the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) – Late Delivery of the Notice to Keeper

The alleged parking event occurred on 11/02/2025. According to Paragraph 9(4) of Schedule 4 of PoFA, a Notice to Keeper (NtK) must be delivered to the registered keeper within 14 days of the alleged contravention — in this case, by 25/02/2025.

The NtK issued by Smart Parking is dated 21/02/2025 (day 10). This means that unless Smart Parking can prove it was posted on or before that date by a method that ensures delivery within two working days, it is not compliant with PoFA.

The only type of postal service that legally and practically supports delivery within two working days is first class post. This is not a mere preference — it is a legal requirement if the operator wishes to rely on the presumption of delivery under:

• Section 7 of the Interpretation Act 1978, which states that service is deemed effective when an item is “properly addressed, prepaid, and posted”, and
• The accepted legal interpretation in the Civil Procedure Rules (CPR 6.26), which confirms that first class post (or equivalent) is presumed delivered two business days after posting.

To be absolutely clear for the avoidance of any doubt:

• First class post is a 1–2 working day service.
• Second class post is a 2–3 working day service.
• Hybrid mail typically applies second class or economy mail services, and often confirms “2–3 working day” delivery timeframes on its receipts.

Here is a step by step explanation, in case there is any confusion:

• Only first class post is officially recognised as a 1–2 working day service and therefore supports the two working day delivery presumption under PoFA.
• If a letter is sent using a 2–3 working day delivery method (such as second class or hybrid/economy post), it is not first class, and therefore no two-day presumption applies.
• In such cases, the earliest presumed delivery date is three working days after posting, unless the operator proves otherwise with hard evidence.
• Smart Parking must therefore prove, not simply claim, that the NtK:

• Was actually entered into the postal system (not just generated or passed to a print vendor) on 21/02/2025 or earlier; and
• Was sent by first class post (not a slower 2–3 day delivery method).

If they cannot prove both of these elements, then the notice is presumed delivered no earlier than 26/02/2025 — which is after the 14-day legal limit under PoFA.

The BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice v1.1 (17 February 2025), Section 8.1.2, Note 2 also confirms this:

“A notice sent by post is to be presumed, unless the contrary is proved, to have been delivered on the second working day after the day on which it is posted […] Therefore, parking operators must retain a record of the date of posting of a notice, not simply of that notice having been generated (e.g. the date that any third-party Mail Consolidator actually put it in the postal system.)”

Thus, Smart Parking is put to strict proof on both key points:

• That the NtK was posted (not just generated) on or before 21/02/2025, and
• That it was sent using first class post, which is the only postal method that supports the statutory presumption of two working day delivery.

Unless Smart Parking can meet both evidential thresholds, the NtK must be deemed delivered after the statutory 14-day period, in breach of PoFA Paragraph 9(4). As such, no keeper liability can arise and the appeal must be upheld.

2. No Evidence That the Person Being Pursued Was the Driver – No Keeper Liability Can Arise

Smart Parking has not provided any evidence as to the identity of the driver, and the registered keeper is under no legal obligation to name them.

Since the operator is attempting to rely on keeper liability under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), they must demonstrate full compliance with every requirement in that Schedule, including but not limited to Paragraphs 9(2)(e), 9(2)(f), and 9(4). As established in point #1, the NtK was not delivered within the required 14-day timeframe, rendering it non-compliant with Paragraph 9(4).

It is important to emphasise that PoFA compliance is a binary matter. Just as someone cannot be partially or even mostly pregnant, an NtK cannot be partially or even mostly PoFA compliant. It either is or it isn't PoFA compliant, and as shown in point #1, it isn't.

Accordingly, as Smart Parking has failed to meet the statutory conditions for keeper liability, and no driver admission has been made, the charge cannot be enforced against the registered keeper.

3. Inadequate and Unclear Signage – No Contract Can Be Formed

The signage at the location is inadequate, poorly positioned, unlit, and extremely difficult to read. The signs are mounted high up on posts, contain dense blocks of small-font text, and are not easily readable either from within a stationary vehicle or while approaching.

For a contract to be formed, the terms must be clearly brought to the attention of the driver before or at the point of parking. If the terms and charges are not prominent, unambiguous, and legible, then no contract can be said to have been offered, let alone accepted.

This signage fails to meet the standards set by the Supreme Court in ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67, where the signage was described as:

“large, prominent, and with the charge in the largest font.”

Smart Parking’s signage is the opposite: small, cluttered, high up, and entirely unlit at night — failing both in form and function.

It also fails to meet the requirements of Schedule 4 to the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, specifically:

Paragraph 2(3)(b)(ii), which requires:

“the display of one or more notices which—are adequate to bring the charge to the notice of drivers who park vehicles on the relevant land.”

The signage at this location is not adequate to bring the charge to the notice of drivers. It is not readable without leaving the vehicle, is positioned at height, and is wholly ineffective in darkness.

Furthermore, the signage does not comply with the mandatory standards set out in the Private Parking Single Code of Practice:

• Section 3.1.3(b):

“Signs must be sufficiently large to be visible from a distance and legible on approach.”

• Section 3.1.6:

“Signs must be designed and installed so as to be conspicuous and legible in all lighting conditions during which the controlled land may legitimately be accessed…”

• Section 3.1.7:

“Signs must be designed and maintained to withstand and remain legible, subject to normal exposure to conditions where they are located.”[/indent][/indent]

The operator is therefore put to strict proof that:

• The signs at the location were visible and legible to drivers at the time of parking;
• The signs were either illuminated or sufficiently visible in low-light conditions;
• The signage complied in full with the PPSCoP Section 3 and with PoFA Paragraph 2(3)(b)(ii);
• The parking charge and core contractual terms were clearly conveyed at the time the alleged contract was said to have been formed.

Absent such proof, no contract could have been formed, and the operator has no lawful basis to issue or enforce a parking charge.

4. No Evidence of Landowner Authority

Smart Parking is not the landowner at this site and has no automatic right to issue Parking Charge Notices (PCNs) or to pursue payment from motorists. In order to lawfully operate on this land, they must hold a valid written agreement with the landowner which grants them the authority to enforce parking terms and to issue PCNs in their own name.

The BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (Version 1.1, February 2025) makes this requirement explicit. Section 14.1 states that:

“Where controlled land is being managed on behalf of a landowner(s), before a parking charge can be issued written confirmation must be obtained by the parking operator from the landowner(s) covering:
[...]
the permission granted to the parking operator by the landowner(s) and the duration of that permission
[...]
the parking terms and conditions that are to be applied by the parking operator [...]
[...]
the documentation that the parking operator may be required to supply on request to authorised bodies detailing the relationship with the landowner.”

The Code also requires this documentation to be supplied on request, which includes to POPLA as an authorised appeals body.

Accordingly, the operator is formally put to strict proof that they hold an unredacted, up-to-date, and fully executed contract or written agreement that:

• Was in force on the date of the alleged contravention;
• Clearly shows that Smart Parking is authorised by the landowner (not a managing agent) to:
• Issue PCNs in their own name; and
• Pursue unpaid charges and take legal action in their own name;
• Covers the specific location of the alleged incident;
• Confirms that none of the relevant terms and permissions have materially changed since the contract was signed.

The operator must not rely on:

• A summary of terms;
• A witness statement or letter from their own staff or a managing agent;
• A redacted, unsigned, or undated agreement;
• Or a contract missing any of the above required details.

Unless Smart Parking provides proper documentary evidence that satisfies all the criteria under PPSCoP Section 14.1, they have no legal authority to issue or enforce this charge, and the appeal must be allowed in full.

Conclusion

In light of the issues raised above, this charge is entirely without merit. The operator has failed to comply with fundamental legal and procedural requirements necessary to establish either a lawful contract with a driver or to transfer liability to the keeper.

Unless the operator can now provide strict proof to rebut each of these grounds, this PCN must be cancelled. The evidence and reasoning presented in this appeal are compelling and based on the operator's own regulatory framework and statutory obligations. Accordingly, the appellant respectfully requests that the appeal be allowed in full.
Title: Re: PCN McDonalds Mondial Way Harlington UB3 5AR
Post by: Altselgreen on April 05, 2025, 01:27:34 pm
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Title: Re: PCN McDonalds Mondial Way Harlington UB3 5AR
Post by: Altselgreen on April 05, 2025, 01:26:29 pm
Thank you - page 1

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Title: Re: PCN McDonalds Mondial Way Harlington UB3 5AR
Post by: b789 on April 05, 2025, 01:10:00 pm
Show us the appeal rejection letter.

You have 33 days from the appeal ejection date to use the POPLA code. There is no rush.
Title: Re: PCN McDonalds Mondial Way Harlington UB3 5AR
Post by: Altselgreen on April 05, 2025, 10:32:23 am
They have now rejected my appeal- extended the discount period pending me revealing the driver’s identity and issued a POPLA code. Where do I go now? Thank you all
Title: Re: PCN McDonalds Mondial Way Harlington UB3 5AR
Post by: b789 on March 07, 2025, 05:54:30 pm
Ok - so if I do nothing will that be the next thing to arrive?

Their appeal rejection and a POPLA code for your secondary appeal.

Their NtK is not fully compliant with ALL the requirements of PoFA. They will have to provide evidence that the NtK was actually entered into the postal system on the same date that it was issued (generated).

They are also in breach of the PPSCoP in several sections which should also render the PCN as invalid.
Title: Re: PCN McDonalds Mondial Way Harlington UB3 5AR
Post by: Altselgreen on March 07, 2025, 04:05:09 pm
Ok - so if I do nothing will that be the next thing to arrive?
Thank you
Title: Re: PCN McDonalds Mondial Way Harlington UB3 5AR
Post by: DWMB2 on March 07, 2025, 03:59:38 pm
Hang tight and wait for them to reject your appeal and provide a POPLA code.
Title: Re: PCN McDonalds Mondial Way Harlington UB3 5AR
Post by: Altselgreen on March 07, 2025, 03:54:09 pm
Hi all,
Not so Smart Parking have responded as expected to my appeal. Where should I go with it now?
Thank you in advance T

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Title: Re: PCN McDonalds Mondial Way Harlington UB3 5AR
Post by: RichardW on February 27, 2025, 03:57:31 pm
Plan A also worth a try in parallel - i.e. contacting McDonalds and asking them to get the charge waived since you were a customer.
Title: Re: PCN McDonalds Mondial Way Harlington UB3 5AR
Post by: b789 on February 27, 2025, 02:29:06 pm
No one pays (not so) Smart Parking if they follow the advice. their Notice to Keeper (NtK) is not fully compliant with PoFA and so they cannot hold the Keeper liable and they have no idea who the driver is unless the Keeper blabs the drivers identity to them.

Whilst the issue date of the NtK is, technically, compliant with PoFA, as it will be deemed to have been delivered on day 14. However, you can demand that they provide evidence of the date the NtK was actually put into the postal system, not simply generated. The PBA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) requires all operators to retain a record of the date of posting of a notice, not simply of that notice having been generated (e.g. the date that any third-party Mail Consolidator actually put it in the postal system.)

Whilst the initial appeal to (not so) Smart Parking will be rejected by them, there are quite a few points that can be argued in the subsequent POPLA appeal. Even if POPLA do not accept the appeal, (not so) Smart Parking do not litigate and apart fro having to weather some useless and powerless debt recovery threats, nothing else would happen.

For now, simply appeal with this in mind... as long as the unknown drivers identity is not revealed. There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.

The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known keeper.

Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove anything from it:

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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. Smart Parking has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. Smart have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
Title: Re: PCN McDonalds Mondial Way Harlington UB3 5AR
Post by: Altselgreen on February 27, 2025, 12:50:50 pm
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Title: PCN McDonalds Mondial Way Harlington UB3 5AR
Post by: Altselgreen on February 27, 2025, 12:48:22 pm
Hello
Have just received notice this in the post.
We had dropped our daughter in law at the airport and as she was travelling standby, we went to eat at this McDonalds, whilst we waited for a call from her. Unwittingly we overstayed. It was dark, I am elderly and missed the signage?All that time we were customers of McDonald’s and spending money in their restaurant. I have attached the PCN
So, I wanted to ask if we can appeal this charge?
Thank you

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