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Title: Re: SIP car park- insufficent fee paid- now County court claim issued
Post by: b789 on July 22, 2025, 03:09:50 pm
No you don't. The claimant has already attached Percy and you are silly rebutting their claim that it has relevance. Also, Beavis is now Trite law. As a Supreme Court decision that redefined the penalty doctrine, Beavis is now well-established and routinely cited. Courts are expected to be familiar with it.

Statutory law and procedural rules like PoFA 2012 and the Civil Procedure Rules (CPR) are publicly accessible and judicially noticed. That means the court is presumed to know them and can refer to them without needing them exhibited as evidence.
Title: Re: SIP car park- insufficent fee paid- now County court claim issued
Post by: Rumaan246 on July 22, 2025, 02:51:03 pm
Thank you so much, it covers all the points I was trying to get across and more.

Do I need to attach an appendix with all the cases mentioned- or can I submit the witness statement as is. As the claimant witness statement has all the letters- do I need to attach them to my witness statement? 
CPR 16.4, POFA act 2012,
ParkingEye v Beavis [2015].

The cases mentioned
Title: Re: SIP car park- insufficent fee paid- now County court claim issued
Post by: b789 on July 22, 2025, 01:53:27 pm
Here is a WS you can use or adapt. You will need to study it and understand what is in it as it will be signed by you under a statement of truth. You may be questioned on it, study it and learn it.

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IN THE COUNTY COURT AT MANCHESTER
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

SIP Parking Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



WITNESS STATEMENT


1. I am the Defendant in this claim and the registered keeper of the vehicle referenced in the Particulars of Claim. I was not the driver. I make this witness statement in support of my defence. The facts stated herein are true to the best of my knowledge and belief.

2. As a preliminary matter, I submit that the claim should be struck out under CPR 3.4(2)(a) due to the Claimant’s failure to comply with CPR 16.4. The Particulars of Claim are vague, incoherent, and lack the necessary detail to disclose a valid cause of action.

3. The Claimant has not set out the specific contractual terms allegedly breached, nor have they identified the legal basis for the added costs. The PoC do not specify whether I am pursued as the driver or the keeper, nor do they provide a breakdown of the sum claimed.

4. The Claimant cannot rely on documents served after the claim was issued to cure defects in the PoC. The PoC must stand on their own. A Defendant is entitled to understand the case against them from the claim form alone in order to plead a proper defence.

5. The PoC fail to comply with CPR PD 16 paragraph 7.5, which requires that any written contract relied upon be attached or its terms set out. No such contract is provided or quoted.

6. The PoC also fail to comply with CPR PD 7C paragraph 5.2(2), which allows for separate detailed particulars to be served—yet none were. The claim is therefore defective and should be struck out.

7. The delay between the Letter Before Claim dated 09/11/2023 and the issue of proceedings on 30/01/2025—almost 14 months—is excessive and unreasonable. The Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims requires that proceedings be issued within a reasonable time after the letter is sent. This delay has caused prejudice and uncertainty.

8. The amounts claimed by the Claimant have varied arbitrarily throughout the correspondence, without any coherent explanation or lawful basis.

9. • On 06/09/2022, the Notice to Keeper stated a charge of £100 with no overdue fees.
• On 13/10/2022, the Payment Overdue letter demanded £115 but did not mention overdue fees.
• On 28/10/2022, the Final Reminder stated £100 plus £25 overdue fees.
• On 14/11/2022, the Legal Action Letter stated £100 plus £60 overdue fees.
• On 09/11/2023, the Letter Before Claim reverted to £100.
• On 30/01/2025, the Claim Form demanded £160.

10. These figures fluctuate without justification, and the Claimant has failed to provide any contractual or statutory basis for the added sums.

11. The Letter Before Claim dated 09/11/2023, which should represent the final pre-litigation demand, contradicts earlier demands of £160. This undermines the credibility of the claim and suggests that the Claimant has not followed the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims.

12. The Claim Form seeks £160, comprising £100 for the alleged charge and £60 for “debt damage costs.” No breakdown or justification is provided for these costs, and they appear to be arbitrary additions contrary to CPR 27.14(2).

13. I first became aware of this matter upon receiving a Payment Overdue Notice dated 13/10/2022, demanding £115 for an alleged parking contravention on 31/08/2022. I did not receive any prior Notice to Keeper dated 06/09/2022, nor was any notice affixed to the vehicle.

14. The first letter lacked sufficient detail and appeared generic, leading me to reasonably believe it was a scam. I subsequently received two further letters with escalating charges (£125 and £160), which I also disregarded due to their vague and aggressive nature.

15. On 09/11/2023, I received a Letter Before Claim demanding £100. I then contacted SIP Parking via email to request further information and dispute the charge.

16. SIP Parking responded by providing a copy of the alleged Notice to Keeper and photographs of signage. They confirmed that a 2-hour parking session was paid, and the vehicle overstayed by 26 minutes, including a 10-minute grace period.

17. I was informed that no further direct communication would be made, effectively shutting down any meaningful dialogue or resolution.

18. I was not the driver of the vehicle on the date in question. I deny any contractual liability.

19. The claimant has failed to identify the driver and instead seeks to rely on Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 to transfer liability to me as the keeper.

20. However, the Notice to Keeper was not received, and therefore the conditions under Paragraph 9 of Schedule 4 were not met. The notice was not properly served, and no evidence has been provided to confirm proof of posting or service.

21. The signage relied upon is cluttered and ambiguous, with multiple payment methods and exemptions such as 1-hour free parking via supermarket tills.

22. The alleged overstay of 16 minutes beyond the grace period is disproportionate and does not justify a £160 claim.

23. The charge is punitive and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss, contrary to the principles in ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67, which do not apply where the charge is not transparent or proportionate.

24. The addition of £60 “debt recovery” costs is not recoverable under the small claims track, as confirmed in CPR 27.14(2).

25. The claim inflates the debt without justification and seeks to circumvent cost restrictions, amounting to an abuse of process.

26. The Claimant refers to VCS v Percy in support of their claim for £60 “debt recovery” costs. I submit that this reliance is misplaced and should be disregarded.

27. VCS v Percy is a County Court decision and therefore not binding. It is, at best, persuasive authority and has been criticised for its reasoning. The judgment did not consider the broader context of abuse of process or the limitations imposed by CPR 27.14(2) on costs recovery in small claims.

28. The £60 add-on is not a genuine pre-estimate of loss, nor is it a cost actually incurred. It is a fixed, arbitrary sum added post hoc, and its inclusion has been widely condemned as double recovery. The Government’s proposed Code of Practice under the Parking (Code of Practice) Act 2019 explicitly bans such charges, recognising them as unfair and disproportionate.

29. Furthermore, the signage relied upon by the Claimant does not clearly state that £60 will be added for enforcement. Even if it did, contractual terms cannot override the statutory cost limits imposed by the small claims regime.

30. The Claimant has failed to show that the £60 represents a real loss or cost incurred. It is not supported by any invoice, breakdown, or evidence of actual expenditure. It is simply a mechanism to inflate the claim and pressure settlement.

31. I therefore submit that the £60 should be disallowed in full, and the court should treat its inclusion as an abuse of process.

32. The Claimant refers to ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67 in support of their claim. I submit that this reliance is misplaced and irrelevant to the facts of this case.

33. Beavis concerned a free car park at a retail site with a two-hour maximum stay. No payment or registration was required. The charge was upheld because it served a legitimate interest in ensuring turnover of parking spaces for retail customers and was not deemed unconscionable or extravagant.

34. The present case involves a paid car park with multiple payment methods and complex signage. The alleged breach relates to a paid session, not the misuse of a free facility. The Beavis judgment does not apply to paid parking scenarios where the operator suffers no financial loss and where the motorist may have attempted to comply.

35. The Supreme Court in Beavis did not endorse the blanket enforceability of all private parking charges. It was a fact-specific decision and does not override the requirement for fairness, transparency, and proportionality in consumer contracts.

36. The signage relied upon in this case is cluttered and ambiguous, and the sum claimed—£160—is excessive and disproportionate. It does not reflect any legitimate interest or commercial justification and instead appears to be a punitive demand.

37. I therefore submit that Beavis is not applicable and should be disregarded in assessing the fairness or enforceability of the charge in this case.

38. I respectfully request that the court strike out the claim pursuant to CPR 3.4(2)(a) and/or dismiss it in full.

39. Alternatively, I request that the claim be dismissed on the basis that I am not liable as the driver, and the claimant has failed to comply with the statutory requirements to pursue me as keeper.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:
Title: Re: SIP car park- insufficent fee paid- now County court claim issued
Post by: DWMB2 on July 22, 2025, 12:15:06 am
One slightly silly point I can spot is the amount they claim the defendant owes seems to change based on their mood:


Also, unless another Letter Before Claim was issued, that's almost 14 months between issuing a Letter of Claim and issuing the actual claim.
Title: Re: SIP car park- insufficent fee paid- now County court claim issued
Post by: Rumaan246 on July 21, 2025, 11:22:30 pm
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/cy1564o9oeneqkyd90i6b/SIPDocWS-P1to48-redacted.pdf?rlkey=lc8dbgjn45ycm1lwid6ctue3f&st=vd25s0bg&dl=0

This is the first 49 pages.

Page 1 to 8 are their witness statement.

This is part 2-
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/b2ip9gz057rhsxvhglenw/SIPDocWS-P50to70redacted.pdf?rlkey=wc4byy7tohlfj3s64liuhuwjp&st=4jdzg8jo&dl=0

It has pages 50 to 70.
VCS VS Adam Percy
Title: Re: SIP car park- insufficent fee paid- now County court claim issued
Post by: DWMB2 on July 21, 2025, 08:54:20 pm
Google Drive or DropBox are both suitable for PDFs etc.
Title: Re: SIP car park- insufficent fee paid- now County court claim issued
Post by: Rumaan246 on July 21, 2025, 08:48:02 pm
So, I have just recieved the documents from SIP carpark now- about 10 minutes ago! It's 36 pages long- and double sided! What is the best way to upload to the forum?

Thanks.
Deadline to submit is tomorrow 3pm and I don't know where to start!
Title: Re: SIP car park- insufficent fee paid- now County court claim issued
Post by: Rumaan246 on July 19, 2025, 06:57:26 pm
Yes
Title: Re: SIP car park- insufficent fee paid- now County court claim issued
Post by: b789 on July 19, 2025, 10:08:40 am
Is Manchester your local court?
Title: Re: SIP car park- insufficent fee paid- now County court claim issued
Post by: Rumaan246 on July 18, 2025, 08:02:48 pm
It's at Manchester county court.

I have attached the whole document I recieved. I double checked both the fee deadline and the document submission deadlines are the same. :-\

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Title: Re: SIP car park- insufficent fee paid- now County court claim issued
Post by: b789 on July 18, 2025, 02:01:48 pm
That doesn't sound quite right. Please show us the allocation order with all the dates and deadlines and anything else in it.

DO NOT submit a WS before they submit there, even if you are a day late after the deadline. This is the small claims track. Most judges will not care about a slight delay in the WS being sent a few days late. It will not be reviewed until about 10 minutes before any hearing anyway!

Which county court?
Title: Re: SIP car park- insufficent fee paid- now County court claim issued
Post by: Rumaan246 on July 18, 2025, 09:35:44 am
4pm 22nd July too, same deadline as for documents and witness statements.
Title: Re: SIP car park- insufficent fee paid- now County court claim issued
Post by: DWMB2 on July 17, 2025, 11:36:28 pm
with a deadline for claimant to submit fee
What is the deadline for them to pay the fee?
Title: Re: SIP car park- insufficent fee paid- now County court claim issued
Post by: Rumaan246 on July 17, 2025, 11:33:31 pm
Hi,
I have recieved a notice of allocation to small claims track a few weeks ago- with a deadline for claimant to submit fee/ and to submit a witness statement and all documents to rely on at the hearing by 4pm on 22nd July 2025 to the court and to the claimant.

I have not yet recieved any witness statement from the claimant.

I'd appreciate help in what to include in the witness statement, as well as any documents which should be included.

I used the defence as advised earlier- do I rely on the defence statements ie non compliance with CPR 16.4.

Or

Would I base my witness statement on the series of events- such as the first letter being recieved later than 28 days and without details and not fulfilling the conditions of PofA 2012, para 7(2) (c) and 8 (2) (c) about insufficient fees paid- "...the notice should specify the remaining unpaid amount".

Would I also attach a copy of my appeal letter? Photos of the site? What other documents would need to be attached.


Many Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: SIP car park- insufficent fee paid- now County court claim issued
Post by: b789 on April 09, 2025, 08:12:15 pm
Tell your representative that all they have to do is offer £0 and that is it. It will be over in minutes. They are not obliged to discuss their defence to a mediator who is not legally trained. Everything in the mediation is without prejudice and cannot be used in court. It is not a part of the judicial process, No judge or lawyer is involved.

If the mediator tries to suggest anything about an outcome if you (or your rep) don't offer anything then make a note and submit a formal complaint. You won't be the first.
Title: Re: SIP car park- insufficent fee paid- now County court claim issued
Post by: Rumaan246 on April 09, 2025, 07:54:00 pm
Hi all. I completed the directions questionnaire a couple weeks ago as per advice on this forum and put in the dates I was not available.
They have now emailed to give a mediation appointment when I am away! I emailed to say that I am out of the country on that date and requested rescheduling, but they declined saying they can't delay the appointment unless there are exceptional circumstances! They have said a representative can answer the call on my behalf.

I would welcome some advice for my representative- what should their response be for mediation?

The guidance notes state "review the defence and clarify the claim..."
and
"Its vital that you have prepared for the mediation by putting together a summary of your opening position... ."

What would you advice to say and prepare for the mediation call in light of the above, and especially so that I can prep my representative.

Thank you
Title: Re: SIP car park- insufficent fee paid- now County court claim issued
Post by: b789 on February 28, 2025, 10:51:50 am
In an ideal world, you'd save the draft order as a Word document (.docx or .doc) and you'd include the header so that the judge can just amend the document and then sed it out. However, I haven't gotten around to doing that yet. On my to do list.

FOr now, you can simply combine the defence and the draft order into a single document and save as a PDF.
Title: Re: SIP car park- insufficent fee paid- now County court claim issued
Post by: Rumaan246 on February 28, 2025, 09:34:00 am
Thank you so much for your reply.

Apologies if this is basic, I just wanted to clarify how best to do the following:

"When you're ready you combine both documents as a single PDF attachment and send as an attachment in an email.."

Would it be fine to Copy past the defence and in the same document (new page) paste the draft order and save as PDF? Does the draft order need a title/ eg appendix/"copy of draft order" or just keep it as it is.
Title: Re: SIP car park- insufficent fee paid- now County court claim issued
Post by: b789 on February 27, 2025, 02:33:18 pm
Having just discussed this with a district judge, they are in agreement that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4 for the reasons already stated.

So, here is the defence and link to the draft order that goes with it. You only need to edit your name and the claim number. You sign the defence by typing your full name for the signature and date it. There is nothing to edit in the draft order.

When you're ready you combine both documents as a single PDF attachment and send as an attachment in an email to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and CC in yourself. The claim number must be in the email subject field and in the body of the email just put: "Please find attached the defence and draft order in the matter of SIP Parking Ltd v [your full name] Claim no.: [claim number]."

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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

SIP Parking Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DEFENCE

1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16(7.5);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts)

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest, damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The Defendant attaches to this defence a copy of a draft order approved by a district judge at another court. The court struck out the claim of its own initiative after determining that the Particulars of Claim failed to comply with CPR 16.4. The judge noted that the claimant had failed to:

(i) Set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions relied upon;

(ii) Adequately explain the reasons why the defendant was allegedly in breach of contract;

(iii) Provide separate, detailed Particulars of Claim as permitted under CPR PD 7C.5.2(2).

(iv) The court further observed that, given the modest sum claimed, requiring further case management steps would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective. Accordingly, the judge struck out the claim outright rather
than permitting an amendment.

5. The Defendant submits that the same reasoning applies in this case and invites the court to adopt a similar approach by striking out the claim for the Claimant’s failure to comply with CPR 16.4.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

Draft Order for the defence (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/tcewefk7daozuje25chkl/Strikeout-order-v2.pdf?rlkey=wxnymo8mwcma2jj8xihjm7pdx&st=nbtf0cn6&dl=0)
Title: Re: SIP car park- insufficent fee paid- now County court claim issued
Post by: b789 on February 27, 2025, 02:17:29 pm
With an issue date of 30th January, you had until 4pm on Tuesday 18th February to submit your defence. However, as you submitted an Acknowledgement of Service (AoS) before then, you now have until 4pm on Tuesday 14th March to submit your defence.

I will get back with an appropriate defence after I've had a chance to review the PoC and the NtK.

These are the points I am reviewing:

1. The PoC do not sufficiently set out the legal basis for the claim beyond a vague reference to a "contract" and Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) Schedule 4.

2. The PoC references "the Sign" but does not specify the exact terms breached or provide a description of the key contractual terms. No evidence is provided to show how the driver or keeper was bound by these terms.

3. The PoC also fail to clearly identify the liable party. It vaguely asserts that the charge was incurred by the "driver and/or registered keeper," which is contradictory. If the Claimant is relying on PoFA 2012 to hold the keeper liable, the PoC should explicitly state that the keeper is liable under Schedule 4 and that the necessary conditions have been met.

4. If the claim is against the driver, the identity of the driver must be pleaded, or the Claimant must state the basis for assuming the keeper was the driver (VCS v Edward (2023)).

5. The £60 "debt damage costs" must be justified, as the Supreme Court case ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67 made clear that only genuine pre-estimated losses or agreed contractual sums can be recovered. If the £60 is claimed as damages for breach, the PoC must explain the legal basis for adding this sum.
Title: Re: SIP car park- insufficent fee paid- now County court claim issued
Post by: Rumaan246 on February 27, 2025, 11:38:19 am
Yes- I've attached the copy they sent through 1 year later.

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Title: Re: SIP car park- insufficent fee paid- now County court claim issued
Post by: Dave65 on February 27, 2025, 11:24:43 am
Did you get a copy of the original PPN?

If so can you post it up?
Title: SIP car park- insufficent fee paid- now County court claim issued
Post by: Rumaan246 on February 27, 2025, 10:08:48 am
I received a payment overdue letter on 13/10/2022 with a fee of £115; for insufficient fee paid on 31/8/2022. It referred to a Notice to Keeper sent on 6/9/22, which I didn't receive, nor was a ticket placed on the windscreen. I ignored this  as I thought it was a scam as no details on letter. Subsequently, 2 more letters fortnightly with additional charges to £160- again ignored.
On 9/11/2023 received another letter for £100 due- I then emailed SIP car parks to appeal and get further details, they sent a copy of the first letter sent dated 6/9/22 and photos of signs. They confirmed 2 hours were paid, 26 mins overstay (including 10mins grace period). They then sent a letter stating no further direct communication will be made. I was not the driver, but am the registered keeper named on V5C for the vehicle. I felt these charges for the overstay were just extortionate!

Now, I have a county court claim for money- issued 30/1/2025. Acknowledgment of service sent on 8/2/25 via Moneyclaim.gov.uk website.
I believe I must submit a defence before 4pm 4th March 2025, and have been looking at previous defence letters that have been adviced on this forum- of CPR 16.4 POC inadequate- will that apply in my circumstance?

I would appreciate your help to formulate a defence. Thank you in advance
I have attached the claim form with details redacted.

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