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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: ShropDistill30 on February 25, 2025, 11:16:33 am

Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on June 10, 2025, 09:37:25 am
A succesful appeal which upholds the point made in Reply #1 above back in February.

Smart’s usual rubbish about complying with PoFA by “issuing” the PCN within 14 days bites the dust again. But I bet they’ll carry on using it.

Absolutely! Im sure they will - and without the advice and guidance from you all it wouldn't have been appealed, like many others I suspect as most of us just take it for what is says in the letter

Massive thank you for your time and expertise!
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: jfollows on June 10, 2025, 09:29:20 am
A succesful appeal which upholds the point made in Reply #1 above back in February.

Smart’s usual rubbish about complying with PoFA by “issuing” the PCN within 14 days bites the dust again. But I bet they’ll carry on using it.
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on June 10, 2025, 09:25:06 am
Morning  all

We have this morning received the attached decision from POPLA in regards to 'our' appeal........

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Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: b789 on May 29, 2025, 02:13:48 pm
Obvious rubbish from both (not so) Smart and the BPA.

Time to get the CMA onto them using the DMCC Act
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on May 29, 2025, 12:35:45 pm
We could do with seeing this attachment you mention.

That sounds a lot like a convenient excuse by Smart, and BPA's response does not at all deal with the fact that Smart repeatedly and explicitly stated that issuing a notice within 14 days was sufficient for compliance.

Here is a screen shot of what they have sent - It is not an attachment - I can't open it or zoom in. Its terrible

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Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: DWMB2 on May 29, 2025, 12:17:05 pm
We could do with seeing this attachment you mention.

That sounds a lot like a convenient excuse by Smart, and BPA's response does not at all deal with the fact that Smart repeatedly and explicitly stated that issuing a notice within 14 days was sufficient for compliance.
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on May 29, 2025, 11:45:57 am
@ShropDistill30 - I realise you almost certainly won't have heard back on your POPLA appeal yet, but has there been any response from the BPA about your complaint?

We're seeing an increasing number of Smart Parking cases similar to yours cropping up.

Correct - we are still waiting for the response on the POPLA appeal. last notification from them was 31st March informing a 6-8 weeks for a decision.

I received an email from the BPA on 12th May 2025 confirming they have opened an investigation in relation to our company and have approached Smart Parking for comments - they will be back in touch with an update.

Just by way of an update - I have received an email from BPA: the attachment provided I can not open nor attached here but is a very blurred screen shot from Smart Parking showing the 14th February and noting the comment below that Smart Parking printed and posted on 17th February when there actual date of issue on their own printed letter is 19th February ????

Do I repsond to BPA ?

Dear The Shropshire Distillery,

Thank you for your patience while I approached Smart Parking Ltd for further information.

It might be helpful if I begin by explaining that our role as an Accredited Trade Association is to investigate alleged breaches of the Code of Practice by members of our Approved Operator Scheme. Please appreciate that our remit does not extend to compelling operators to cancel charges or becoming involved in the appeals process.

Smart Parking Ltd has responded to advise that a Parking Charge was issued due to the vehicle remaining on site for 1 hour and 34 minutes at OK Diner Oswestry which is customer parking only and tablet validation required.

An appeal was received 25/02/2025 and Smart Parking responded requesting additional evidence of the driver 06/03/2025. As the additional information was not received the appeal was rejected in the registered keepers name.

Smart Parking advised that they allow 'services days' and upon further investigation the 'services days' were added into the issue date, the Parking Charge was printed and posted on 17th February 2025 meaning it would be in accordance with PoFA. We requested proof that this is the case and they provided the below from the printing service, we have ensured that this is not reflected on the date on the Parking Charge again as this causes confusion.



The complaint response was not acknowledged correctly and therefore the operator was not provided with a further 28 days, Smart Parking have implemented additional training and refresher training to ensure that complaints are responded to fully and in the correct timeframe.

Smart Parking advised that the Parking Charge appeal is currently with POPLA, we must allow POPLA to review all the evidence and provide a response before we are able to comment on the validity of the charge. 

Thank you for bringing this to our attention and helping us to raise standards within the private parking profession.

I have now closed this investigation.

Kind regards
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on May 20, 2025, 10:14:27 am
Thanks for the update - we're advising other posters in similar situations to you to also complain to Smart and then the BPA, so if you could let us know once you hear back from them that would be very much appreciated.

Yes absolutely! sad to hear this is happening more and more.
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: DWMB2 on May 20, 2025, 10:11:02 am
Thanks for the update - we're advising other posters in similar situations to you to also complain to Smart and then the BPA, so if you could let us know once you hear back from them that would be very much appreciated.
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on May 20, 2025, 10:08:39 am
@ShropDistill30 - I realise you almost certainly won't have heard back on your POPLA appeal yet, but has there been any response from the BPA about your complaint?

We're seeing an increasing number of Smart Parking cases similar to yours cropping up.

Correct - we are still waiting for the response on the POPLA appeal. last notification from them was 31st March informing a 6-8 weeks for a decision.

I received an email from the BPA on 12th May 2025 confirming they have opened an investigation in relation to our company and have approached Smart Parking for comments - they will be back in touch with an update.



Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: DWMB2 on May 19, 2025, 08:31:43 pm
@ShropDistill30 - I realise you almost certainly won't have heard back on your POPLA appeal yet, but has there been any response from the BPA about your complaint?

We're seeing an increasing number of Smart Parking cases similar to yours cropping up.
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on April 02, 2025, 02:57:54 pm
ok thanks
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: b789 on April 02, 2025, 11:49:58 am
Just select "Other".
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on April 02, 2025, 10:12:58 am
in terms of the BPA complaint letter - I am just updaloding this now, I just wanted to check:

Primary Complaint Subject: image of options attached my thought is 'timelines outlined in code not adhered to' but wanted to double check for accuracy if thats ok ?

Thanks in advance

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Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on March 31, 2025, 10:04:15 am
I haven’t sent to BPa as yet - it is on my list to do today  will confirm once sent.
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: DWMB2 on March 31, 2025, 09:09:28 am
Don't be surprised if it takes longer than the indicated time frame, POPLA often have backlogs. Just keep checking the portal.

Have you sent the complaint from the previous page to the BPA? If not this is something you should do whilst waiting for the POPLA assessment.
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on March 31, 2025, 08:52:59 am
Thank you for the draft comments - I have submitted these and will update when POPLA given their appeal decision, they have advised this will be 6-8 weeks.

Thank you again for your time, assistance and advice!
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: DWMB2 on March 30, 2025, 10:17:40 pm
Draft Comments:

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Smart Parking's response fails to adequately rebut the points made in our appeal. Much of their response is irrelevant to the points raised, and those sections that are relevant misrepresent both the law and the circumstances of this case.

1. Lack of PoFA Compliance: In their response, Smart Parking state: "The parking contravention occurred on 06/02/2025, the registered keeper details were received on 14/02/2025, after which the PC was promptly issued within the 14 days required under POFA 2012". When keeper details were received from the DVLA is irrelevant. Smart are also incorrect to say that PoFA requires a notice to be issued within 14 days. As already outlined in our appeal, PoFA requires a notice to be delivered within 14 days. The date of presumed delivery, as per 9(6) of PoFA, is 2 working days after the date of issue. As clearly seen in Smart Parking's own evidence, the PCN was issued on 19/02/2025, and is therefore presumed delivered 2 working days later. This means it was delivered on 21/02/2025, 15 days after the incident, and therefore not within the 14 days required by PoFA.

2. Registered keeper details and liability trail: In their response, Smart Parking state: "[NAME] appealed as the driver on the date of contravention". This is false, as proven by Smart Parking's own evidence pack. Page [PAGE NUMBER] of their evidence pack shows a copy of our appeal, the wording of which makes abundantly clear that the appeal is being done by [COMPANY NAME], the registered keeper. [NAME] was not the driver, and is not the appellant, instead acting for the company as a [DIRECTOR/EMPLOYEE], who are appealing as the registered keeper. It is clearly nonsense to suggest that [NAME] was the driver, as can be seen from the unambiguous wording of the appeal.

Rather than rebutting our appeal points, Smart Parking's evidence actually reinforces our arguments. It is clear that we, [COMPANY NAME] have no liability for this charge as the registered keeper of the vehicle, and accordingly we ask that our appeal is upheld.
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on March 28, 2025, 02:48:01 pm
DOn't attach the documents as PDF that we are required to download. Just use DropBox or Google Drive to host the documents and then we can review them and provide advice.

Noted - thank you
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: b789 on March 28, 2025, 02:33:42 pm
DOn't attach the documents as PDF that we are required to download. Just use DropBox or Google Drive to host the documents and then we can review them and provide advice.
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on March 28, 2025, 02:29:12 pm
redacted copy of document 2 attached - their copy has the original Parking notice - Ive removed as document too large to attach here

just to note I see they  have named me as appealing as the driver - the only emails my personal name appears is on the 2 emails sent for the complaint. all emails regarding the appeal and the appeal application where in the companies name. My personal name one appears on the emails dated 7th March and 25th March. Albeit redacted on these version - it is clear in the document

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Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: DWMB2 on March 28, 2025, 01:41:19 pm
Can you please show us a redacted version of the other document they have uploaded?

Most of the one you've shown us is irrelevant waffle from Smart (no change there), but it'd be useful to see the full extent of their evidence pack to advise on your comments.
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: jfollows on March 28, 2025, 01:32:46 pm
You need to counter any false statements made by Smart Parking, otherwise it may be assumed that you agree with them.

Mind you, they continue to undermine their case by continuing to mis-state PoFA 2012 and its application. You need to refute this nonsense yet again.
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on March 28, 2025, 01:23:21 pm
Further to the appeal to POPLA - Smart Parking seems to be more responsive at this point - they have already uploaded their 'evidence'.

POPLA have advise we have 7 days to comment.....

There are two documents they have uploaded - one is their explanation (there are many images of their signage etc which I haven't included int he attachment) and the second is the parking fine along with images and the emails we have sent along with their replies.....


ONE THING I DO NOTE IN THE EVIDENCE:

"Parking charge and any notes
The Parking Charge was issued to the driver for Unauthorised Parking. As the vehicle remained on site 94 minutes and the driver failed to display a valid permit the parking charge was incurred correctly.

Registered keeper details and liability trail
As of 14th February 2025, DVLA confirmed that "XXXXXXXX" was the registered keeper of the vehicle. "XXXXX" appealed as the driver on the date of contravention. "

The company name is incorrect and not in full int he original summary letter from Smart Parking - this maybe a petty statement from me

and the it states XXXXX appealed as the driver...... this is my personal name here ? I havent appealed as the driver.... ive appealed on behalf of the company ?

Are there any comments you would advise uploading to the POPLA appeal case ?

Thanks in advance


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Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: DWMB2 on March 27, 2025, 03:50:35 pm
should I upload the response as further evidence to support the POPLA appeal made yesterday ?
I don't think you can, but at any rate, no need to, your POPLA appeal makes the point effectively enough.
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: DWMB2 on March 27, 2025, 02:00:55 pm
Here's a draft for the BPA. You'll need to fill in details where there are [SQUARE BRACKETS]. I have also suggested a number of Appendices, which you should attach alongside your complaint. See if there are any breaches I may have missed.

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Dear BPA

This is a formal complaint submitted on behalf of [COMPANY NAME], in respect of repeated breaches of the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice (PPSSCoP) by Smart Parking, in both the issuing of a Parking Charge Notice, and their subsequent handling of an appeal and complaint.

For the avoidance of doubt, this is not an attempt to appeal the charge (a POPLA appeal has been submitted separately), this is a complaint about Smart’s processes and communications, which are in breach of the PPSSCoP.

I have summarised the breaches of the PPSSCoP as follows:

Breach #1: Parking Charge Notice

[COMPANY NAME] were issued a PCN (Appendix 1), as the registered keeper of the vehicle, for an alleged parking event. The parking event took place on Thursday, 6th February 2025, and the PCN was issued on Wednesday, 19th February 2025, and is therefore presumed delivered on Friday 21st February 2025. In order to hold [COMPANY NAME] liable as the registered keeper, Smart Parking must comply with the requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA).

PoFA states:

9(4)       The notice must be given by—
(a)handing it to the keeper, or leaving it at a current address for service for the keeper, within the relevant period; or
(b)sending it by post to a current address for service for the keeper so that it is delivered to that address within the relevant period.
(5)          The relevant period for the purposes of sub-paragraph (4) is the period of 14 days beginning with the day after that on which the specified period of parking ended.
(6)          A notice sent by post is to be presumed, unless the contrary is proved, to have been delivered (and so “given” for the purposes of sub-paragraph (4)) on the second working day after the day on which it is posted; and for this purpose “working day” means any day other than a Saturday, Sunday or a public holiday in England and Wales.

As the notice was issued on Wednesday 19th February, then as per  Paragraph 9(6), it is presumed delivered on Friday 21st February 2025. The notice has therefore been delivered outside of the relevant period of 14 days, and accordingly there can be no keeper liability under PoFA. Despite this, the PCN issued by Smart Parking falsely claimed to be able to hold us liable as the registered keeper under PoFA.

This is in direct breach of section 8.1.1 of the PPSSCoP, which expressly prohibits a parking operator from serving notices that state the keeper is liable under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 where they cannot be held liable. Annex H of the PPSSCoP indicates that on its own under the Sanction Scheme, this is an example of Level 1 non-conformance.

Breach #2: First response to appeal

Following receipt of the PCN, [COMPANY NAME] appealed as the registered keeper, pointing out the lack of liability under PoFA (Appendix 2). On [DATE], Smart Parking responded via email (Appendix 3).

This correspondence repeated the false claim that they are able to use PoFA to hold the keeper liable, and further compounded this claim by suggesting that merely issuing the notice within 14 days of the parking incident is sufficient. As already outlined above, PoFA requires that the notice is delivered within 14 days, not merely issued.

This correspondence is a further direct breach of section 8.1.1 of the PPSSCoP. Annex H of the PPSSCoP indicates that on its own under the Sanction Scheme, this is an example of Level 1 non-conformance. When considered in combination with breach #1 above, this would amount to a Level 2 non-conformance, as it represents repeated breaches set out in level 1 examples from Annex H.

Breach #3: Second response to appeal

On [DATE], Smart Parking rejected our appeal, providing a POPLA code (Appendix 4). In this rejection, they once again falsely claimed the ability to hold us liable as the registered keeper under PoFA. This correspondence is a further direct breach of section 8.1.1 of the PPSSCoP. Annex H of the PPSSCoP indicates that on its own under the Sanction Scheme, this is an example of Level 1 non-conformance. When considered in combination with breaches #1 and #2 above, this would amount to a Level 2 non-conformance, as it represents repeated breaches set out in level 1 examples from Annex H.

Breach #4: Response to complaint

Due to Smart Parking’s unacceptable conduct, we submitted a formal complaint to them on [DATE] (Appendix 5). On 27th March 2025, we received a response to our formal complaint (Appendix 6). Astonishingly, Smart Parking repeated for a 4th time their false claim that they can use PoFA to hold the registered keeper liable.

This correspondence is a further direct breach of section 8.1.1 of the PPSSCoP. Annex H of the PPSSCoP indicates that on its own under the Sanction Scheme, this is an example of Level 1 non-conformance. When considered in combination with breaches #1 and #2 above, this would amount to a Level 2 non-conformance, as it represents repeated breaches set out in level 1 examples from Annex H.

Breach #5: Failure to respond to complaint within the prescribed timescales

Our formal complaint was sent to Smart Parking on 7th March 2025. 11.3 of the PPSSCoP requires operators to acknowledge all complaints within 14 days. Despite this, we did not hear back for far longer than this, only receiving a response on 27th March 2025, 20 days after our complaint. This is a direct breach of section 11.3 of the PPSSCoP. Annex H of the PPSSCoP indicates that under the Sanction Scheme, this is an example of Level 1 non-conformance.

Summary:

As outlined above, in their handling our case, including the issuing of a PCN, their responses to our appeal and complaint, Smart Parking have made at least 5 separate breaches of the PPSSCoP. They have committed at least 5 breaches that would on their own each warrant a Level 1 non-conformance sanction, according to Annex H of the PPSSCoP.

When taken in combination, it is our position that these breaches are far more serious. They cannot be dismissed as mere human error, or good faith mistakes. Their refusal to correctly represent the law as outlined in PoFA can only be viewed as a deliberate attempt to misrepresent the law, and therefore the authority under which they are operating. Taken in combination, we contend this constitutes dishonesty, and a deliberate misrepresentation of authority. We also contend this meets the threshold for higher culpability as per Annex H of the PPSSCoP, as their conduct represents intentional action, misleading tactics, and continued breaches after notification of the same.

According to Annex H of the PPSSCoP, we believe their continued conduct would constitute a Level 4 example of non-conformance, for which the starting point would be a suspension of membership.

Such misconduct is unbecoming of an accredited operator, and by association risks harming the reputation of the British Parking Association. We trust that you will therefore take this complaint with the seriousness it deserves, and sanction Smart Parking accordingly.
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on March 27, 2025, 12:49:13 pm
Thank you for the replies.

a BPA / DVLA complaint draft would be great - thank you.

If able to - should I upload the response as further evidence to support the POPLA appeal made yesterday ?

Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: DWMB2 on March 27, 2025, 12:44:33 pm
If it were me I'd be tempted not to bother with any further correspondence with Smart at all. Your company has acted in good faith and taken all the steps that might reasonably be expected to engage with the issue - in response, Smart have chosen to repeatedly misrepresent their position.

You now have ample evidence that this was not simply a one-off error when they issued the charge, but instead a deliberate and repeated attempt to rely on an incorrect interpretation of the law.

Regardless of whether you engage in any further correspondence with Smart, I think you should absolutely escalate a complaint to the BPA and the DVLA. I should hopefully have some time this evening to draft something up for the BPA complaint. They should be sanctioned for their poor conduct.

crawl back into your regulatory sinkhole
I know their correspondence address is in Birmingham, but still  ;)
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: b789 on March 27, 2025, 12:24:24 pm
Just more evidence of the utter incompetent and ignorant people employed by this company.

This is how I would respond to the email you received this morning:

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Subject: PCN Ref [INSERT REF] – Your Abysmal Understanding of PoFA is an Embarrassment

Dear Smart Parking (though there’s nothing remotely "smart" about your operation),

Your latest response is a shining example of the breathtaking idiocy that seems to run rampant within your organisation. One can only assume your so-called 'appeals team' was recruited directly from a skip outside a failed sixth form college.

You claim, with all the misplaced confidence of a pub quiz cheat, that the Notice to Keeper (NtK) was “...issued within the 14 days required under POFA 2012.” Do you even possess a copy of the Protection of Freedoms Act, or do your staff just rely on hearsay and hope?

Let’s break it down for the hard of thinking:

• The alleged contravention occurred on Thursday, 6th February 2025.
• You obtained Keeper details on Monday, 17th February 2025.
• The NtK was issued on Wednesday, 19th February 2025.
• Therefore, under Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(6), the notice is presumed delivered two working days later, i.e. Friday, 21st February 2025.

This is outside the 14-day 'relevant period' allowed under Paragraph 9(4)(b) of the Act. The law requires the NtK to be delivered (given), not farted out of your printer. “Issued” means nothing in legal terms. You missed the deadline. End of. No Keeper liability. No PoFA. No case.

The fact that one of your babbling keyboard-mashers thought this was compliant just confirms what most people already know: your entire outfit is staffed by weapons-grade dullards with a tenuous grip on the English language and an even looser understanding of the law.

Let me make it idiot-proof:

• You cannot rely on PoFA.
• You do not have Keeper liability.
• You are barking up the wrong tree.

Now do what you should have done in the first place: cancel this disgraceful attempt at extortion, crawl back into your regulatory sinkhole, and try—just try—not to humiliate yourselves further.

Yours, with barely concealed contempt,

[Your Name]
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on March 27, 2025, 10:47:39 am
Just an update following the chase up  of the formal complaint - I have this morning received an email stating the below:

"
Good Morning,

Thank you for your email.

We can confirm that the above parking charge was issued under Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (POFA 2012). The parking contravention occurred on 06.02.2025, the registered keeper details were received on 17.02.2025, after which the PC was promptly issued within the 14 days required under POFA 2012. If you were not the driver at the time of the parking event, please provide us with the driver’s full name and current postal address using the contact details below. In the event that you fail to provide these details, we will use the provisions under POFA, 2012, and continue to pursue you the registered keeper, for the outstanding balance.
 
Please send the details requested above via email to:
               
                appeals@smartparking.com
 
Or alternatively please post to:
 
Smart Parking Ltd
Unit 43 Elmdon Trading Estate
Bickenhill Lane
Marston Green
Birmingham
B37 7HE.
 
In the event that you fail to provide these details, we will use the provisions under POFA, 2012, and continue to pursue you the registered keeper, for the outstanding balance.

We would like to confirm that as you have made an appeal with POPLA all the requested documentation will be uploaded to the online POPLA portal for you to be able to view in due course.
You will receive an email confirmation when you are able to review this information. "
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on March 26, 2025, 12:40:20 pm
 have submitted the appeal to POPLA - will keep you posted
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on March 26, 2025, 11:25:48 am
apologies - I missed that!

Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: jfollows on March 26, 2025, 11:22:07 am
It’s on the letter you uploaded for us just now.
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The verification number you will need to appeal is xxxxxxxx. If the appellant decides to appeal to POPLA, they will need to visit the website, www.popla.co.uk where further details of how to appeal (either online or by downloading the relevant forms) can be found. If the appellant is unable to access the website, please contact us for further information on how to obtain the forms. Please ensure that the POPLA Verification Number as noted above is quoted in all correspondence to POPLA. The appellant has 28 days from the date of this letter to submit an appeal to POPLA.

I was also able to see your POPLA code!

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The verification number you will need to appeal is 85108xxxxx.
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on March 26, 2025, 11:10:37 am
thank you

Can you advise where I send the POPLA Appeal to ?

Plus advise regarding the complaint to DVLA and BPA is very much apprecited.

Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: DWMB2 on March 26, 2025, 09:55:36 am
Below is an initial POPLA draft.

Separately, you should complain both to the DVLA and the BPA about their quite deliberate misrepresentation of PoFA. Although they have not responded to your complaint, they are past the deadline to do so, so you should escalate them to the relevant bodies. We can help with these complaints.

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POPLA Appeal
[COMPANY NAME] (Registered Keeper) (Appellant)
-Vs-
Smart Parking (Operator)
Vehicle Registration Mark:[VRM]
 POPLA Reference Code: [POPLA REFERENCE]
 Parking Charge Notice Number: [PCN REFERENCE]

Case Overview:
We, [COMPANY NAME], the registered keeper (“we”/“the Appellant”) of the above vehicle (VRM: _______), received a parking charge notice via post from Smart Parking (“the Operator”), which purported to be a Notice to Keeper. We appealed to the Operator, who acknowledged and subsequently rejected our appeal. It is our position that as the registered keeper of the vehicle we have no liability for the parking charge, and that our appeal should therefore be upheld. Our appeal is on the following grounds:

1. No keeper liability: the Parking Charge Notice does not comply with the requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act (“PoFA”/“the Act”):
The operator does not not know the identity of the driver and is therefore seeking to recover the charge from us, the registered keeper of the vehicle. As a body corporate, we are clearly not the driver. In order to be able to recover any unpaid charges from us as the registered keeper, the operator must comply with the requirements outlined in Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. Smart Parking have failed to do so.

They have failed to deliver the notice to keeper within the relevant period of 14 days beginning with the day after that on which the specified period of parking ended, as specified by 9(5) of the Act.

Date of Parking: 06/02/2025
Date of PCN issue: 19/02/2025
Date of presumed service (2 working days after issue, as per 9(6) of the Act): 21/02/2025
Elapsed time period: 15 days

As Smart Parking are unable to rely on the provisions of PoFA to hold us liable as the keeper, and as there is no evidence as to who was driving, we cannot be held liable for the charge, and our appeal should be upheld.

2. Breach of the PPSSCoP - Misrepresentation

The parking charge notice issued by Smart Parking claimed that they would be able to hold us liable as the registered keeper, under the provisions of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act, despite the fact they were aware (or ought to have been aware) that they had not complied with the relevant conditions to do so. Following our appeal pointing this out, Smart Parking doubled down on their stance, claiming that the charge was 'issued within the 14 days required under POFA 2012', despite the fact that PoFA requires the notice to be given (that is, delivered) within 14 days, not merely issued within 14 days.

This repeated misrepresentation is in direct contravention of section 8.1.1 (d) of the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice, which states:

8.1.1 The parking operator must not serve a notice or include material on its website which in its design and/or language:
a) implies or would cause the recipient to infer statutory authority where none
exists;
b) deliberately resembles a public authority civil enforcement penalty charge
notice;
c) uses prohibited terminology as set out in Annex E; or
d) state the keeper is liable under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 where they cannot be held liable.

For the reasons outlined above, it is clear that as the registered keeper we have no liability for this charge, and we request that our appeal is upheld.
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: jfollows on March 26, 2025, 09:26:40 am
I think that’s pretty much as we expected, and I think a simple appeal to POPLA spelling out the dates (as in the first reply to your original post above) should see this off. As I said, Smart are either stupid or, more likely, deceitful in order to get your money, but you can’t be liable. Smart still persists in its lie about complying with PoFA.
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on March 26, 2025, 09:15:10 am
Morning,

So I have received the attached - declining our appeal .......
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on March 25, 2025, 03:53:44 pm
thank you - I have sent this email this afternoon - will keep you update should they decide to reply
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: b789 on March 25, 2025, 03:45:23 pm
You are not dealing with a company that has any customer service ethos.

Send the following to Smart:

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Subject: Formal Reminder – Appeal Decision Outstanding (PCN Reference: [Insert PCN Number])

Dear Smart Parking Ltd,

I write in relation to the above Parking Charge Notice and my appeal submitted on 25th February 2025. I note that your correspondence at the time indicated:

"We will endeavour to respond to your appeal within 28 days."

Today marks the 28th day since submission, and I have not received any substantive response to the appeal. The only correspondence received was a request for driver details dated 6th March 2025, to which a formal complaint was submitted separately. That complaint also remains unanswered, despite a further chaser email being sent on 24th March 2025.

For clarity, this reminder concerns your failure to issue a decision on the appeal itself. You are required to respond accordingly, irrespective of any ongoing complaint.

Unless and until you do so, the matter remains unresolved and I require written confirmation that the charge is on hold. If you proceed without addressing my appeal, I will treat that as a breach of both the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) and the BPA’s requirements for fair and transparent operator conduct. I also reserve the right to escalate this failure to the BPA and DVLA.

Should this matter proceed to POPLA, please be advised that I will require you to produce a fully unredacted, contemporaneous contract or chain of authority flowing from the landowner, showing you have the right to issue PCNs in your own name at this specific site. I trust you are already aware of your evidential burden in this regard.

I expect a full response to this appeal without further delay.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Full Name]
[Your Postal Address]
[Vehicle Registration Number]
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on March 25, 2025, 10:52:37 am
Hi Everyone,

I have not yet received a reply from Smart Parking in terms of an accept or reject to my appeal sent to them on 25th Feb - only the letter requesting us to provide the drivers details - to which we sent a formal complaint (again still no reply - emailed again yesterday 24th March following advice on this thread)

I calculate that today is day 28 and their email states : "We will endeavour to respond to your appeal within 28 days"

I have checked junk folders and there is no correspondence from them - the last one being the letter requesting drivers details on 6th March where they state:

" In the event that you fail to provide these details, we will use the provisions under POFA, 2012, and continue to pursue you the registered keeper, for the outstanding balance.

Meanwhile we have extended the current charge period until 24.03.2025 to allow sufficient time for this information to be received. "
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on March 24, 2025, 11:15:24 am
ok thanks for the reply - I have sent an email outline their obligation and that they have failed to comply. I will update if and when I hear.

Thanks again for your time and advice
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: b789 on March 21, 2025, 05:16:35 pm
They are obliged to at least acknowledge your formal complaint within 14 days as per the PPSCoP section 11.3. So, if they have not acknowledged by the close of business today, then you can remind  the of their obligation and you intend to follow up with a formal complaint to the DVLA and the BPA.
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on March 21, 2025, 05:04:40 pm
Complaint email was sent to: complaints@smartparking.com on 7th March ......

yes have checked the spam/Junk folder too
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: DWMB2 on March 21, 2025, 04:52:48 pm
What date did you send the complaint?

(You probably already have, but double check your spam folder, parking company emails have a habit of ending up there)
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on March 21, 2025, 04:34:58 pm
So just by way of an update - I have yet to receive any correspondence from Smart Parking in regards to the complaint sent to them. 

I have also not had any further correspondence since the letter they sent on 6th March request the drivers details.

What would you advise at this stage ?

Thanks in advance


A suggested wording for your complaint is below. It should be sent to complaints@smartparking.com (complaints@smartparking.com). I would attach to this a copy of the correspondence you have shared with us today.

They will probably fob you off in their response, but the goal here is to ultimately escalate the complaint to the British Parking Association and the DVLA.

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Subject: Formal Complaint, PCN #[REFERENCE]

Dear Sirs,

For the avoidance of doubt, this is not an appeal against a parking charge (one has been submitted separately) but is instead a formal complaint regarding your handling of my case.

I am writing to make a formal complaint about your correspondence in respect of PCN #[REFERENCE], which amounts to a breach of the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice (PPSSCoP) and, by virtue of this, your KADOE contract with the DVLA. 

Following receipt of your PCN, I appealed on behalf of the company as the registered keeper, pointing out that due to your failure to deliver a Notice to Keeper within the relevant period of 14 days as required by Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA), you are unable to recover the charge from us as the keeper. You responded with a letter dated [DATE], which is attached, falsely claiming that the notice was issued under PoFA. In the letter you claim:

"the PC was promptly issued within the 14 days required under POFA 2012"

As you will know, paragraph 9(4) of PoFA is clear that the notice must be given (that is, delivered), within 14 days, not merely issued within 14 days.

By falsely claiming otherwise, you are in breach of the PPSSCoP and the KADOE contract for the following reasons:

1. Breach of the PPSSCoP
Section 8.1.1 of the PPSSCoP states:

8.1.1 The parking operator must not serve a notice or include material on its website which in its design and/or language:
d) state the keeper is liable under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 where they cannot be held liable.

In the appeal, I explained that Smart Parking had failed to serve a notice compliant with the requirements of PoFA, having given the notice outside of the relevant period of 14 days. You then responded on [DATE] with the attached letter, claiming the ability to recover the charges from us under PoFA. This is a deliberate misrepresentation, and a breach of 8.1.1 of the PPSSCoP.

As per Annex H of the PPSSCoP, this constitutes at least a Level 1 sanction for non-conformance.

2. Breach of the KADOE Contract
Clause C1.1 of your KADOE Contract with DVLA states:

The Customer shall ensure that signage, terms and conditions of service for parking customers and correspondence with data subjects comply with the Law and with the requirements of the ATA’s Code of Practice or Conduct.

By knowingly and falsely claiming compliance with PoFA, you have failed to comply with the terms of your KADOE contract, bringing into question your suitability to have access to sensitive registered keeper data.

As a result of these serious failings you should:
  • Confirm that the parking charge has been cancelled and that no further action will be taken
  • Explain why your correspondence falsely claims the ability to recover charges under PoFA when you are, or ought to be, fully aware this is not true
  • Issue a formal apology

I expect a response to my complaint within 14 days. Following your response, I reserve the right to escalate this matter to the British Parking Association, and the DVLA.

Yours etc...
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on March 07, 2025, 02:58:14 pm
oh gosh no!  I wasn't meaning a reply to inform of the driver or any other details or any information- more so just to make sure I am not obliged to confirm receipt or something

thanks again - I have sent the complaint email along with a copy of their letter

I will update when I hear back from them
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: DWMB2 on March 07, 2025, 02:32:22 pm
As above, no need to respond to their request (other than via the complaint already advised) - once their 'hold' expires they'll then either accept or reject your appeal, and we go from there.
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: b789 on March 07, 2025, 02:23:34 pm
Why on earth would you want to give them the drivers details when you are under no legal obligation to do so? The burden of proof is on them, not you.

If you want to respond to their request, simply respond with the following: “In response to your request, I refer you to the reply given in Arkell v Pressdram (1971) (https://prunescape.fandom.com/wiki/The_Reply_Given_in_Arkell_v_Pressdram_(1971))
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on March 07, 2025, 02:08:17 pm
thanks again for your input and advice everyone - it is very much appreciated. I will put together the letter of complaint and get that emailed to them

Could you just clarify for me - is there a reply I need to make in terms of the letter they have sent back to us asking us to disclose the driver details? or just ignore as they have formally rejected or accepted the appeal ?
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: DWMB2 on March 07, 2025, 09:51:04 am
Indeed - the lines of my thinking were that given their approach so far, there's every chance Smart will further compromise their position in their response to the complaint, providing even more evidence to DVLA.
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: b789 on March 06, 2025, 11:07:47 pm
No need to wait to make a formal complaint to the DVLA. They have breached the KADOE contract and you have the evidence to prove it.

How to prove intellectual malnourishment... go work for (not so) Smart Parking.
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: DWMB2 on March 06, 2025, 08:41:02 pm
A suggested wording for your complaint is below. It should be sent to complaints@smartparking.com (complaints@smartparking.com). I would attach to this a copy of the correspondence you have shared with us today.

They will probably fob you off in their response, but the goal here is to ultimately escalate the complaint to the British Parking Association and the DVLA.

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Subject: Formal Complaint, PCN #[REFERENCE]

Dear Sirs,

For the avoidance of doubt, this is not an appeal against a parking charge (one has been submitted separately) but is instead a formal complaint regarding your handling of my case.

I am writing to make a formal complaint about your correspondence in respect of PCN #[REFERENCE], which amounts to a breach of the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice (PPSSCoP) and, by virtue of this, your KADOE contract with the DVLA. 

Following receipt of your PCN, I appealed on behalf of the company as the registered keeper, pointing out that due to your failure to deliver a Notice to Keeper within the relevant period of 14 days as required by Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA), you are unable to recover the charge from us as the keeper. You responded with a letter dated [DATE], which is attached, falsely claiming that the notice was issued under PoFA. In the letter you claim:

"the PC was promptly issued within the 14 days required under POFA 2012"

As you will know, paragraph 9(4) of PoFA is clear that the notice must be given (that is, delivered), within 14 days, not merely issued within 14 days.

By falsely claiming otherwise, you are in breach of the PPSSCoP and the KADOE contract for the following reasons:

1. Breach of the PPSSCoP
Section 8.1.1 of the PPSSCoP states:

8.1.1 The parking operator must not serve a notice or include material on its website which in its design and/or language:
d) state the keeper is liable under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 where they cannot be held liable.

In the appeal, I explained that Smart Parking had failed to serve a notice compliant with the requirements of PoFA, having given the notice outside of the relevant period of 14 days. You then responded on [DATE] with the attached letter, claiming the ability to recover the charges from us under PoFA. This is a deliberate misrepresentation, and a breach of 8.1.1 of the PPSSCoP.

As per Annex H of the PPSSCoP, this constitutes at least a Level 1 sanction for non-conformance.

2. Breach of the KADOE Contract
Clause C1.1 of your KADOE Contract with DVLA states:

The Customer shall ensure that signage, terms and conditions of service for parking customers and correspondence with data subjects comply with the Law and with the requirements of the ATA’s Code of Practice or Conduct.

By knowingly and falsely claiming compliance with PoFA, you have failed to comply with the terms of your KADOE contract, bringing into question your suitability to have access to sensitive registered keeper data.

As a result of these serious failings you should:
  • Confirm that the parking charge has been cancelled and that no further action will be taken
  • Explain why your correspondence falsely claims the ability to recover charges under PoFA when you are, or ought to be, fully aware this is not true
  • Issue a formal apology

I expect a response to my complaint within 14 days. Following your response, I reserve the right to escalate this matter to the British Parking Association, and the DVLA.

Yours etc...
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Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on March 06, 2025, 01:54:29 pm
ok thank you - so this isn't them offically Rejecting the appeal I have made ?

yes that is correct - I appealed on 25th February, I have an email confirming their receipt of the appeal.

I will await the complaint letter advice/informion and reply wiht that to them .

Thanks again


Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: jfollows on March 06, 2025, 01:28:57 pm
there is no POPLA code that I can see - the letter is literally what I have screen shot - I have just taken out names and addresses

Do I need to action anything further with a reply to them ?

OK, so it’s just a fishing attempt to get you to divulge the driver’s details, so in due course they should reject your appeal (submitted 25 February I think) and provide the POPLA code, so I would reply with the complaint about its contents as previously discussed.
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on March 06, 2025, 12:12:43 pm
I would recommend a formal complaint - whilst the initial issuing of a notice wrongly claiming PoFA compliance could have been an honest mistake (I doubt it was, for the record), they have now doubled down and repeated their false stance.

I will draft a complaint for you later (I seem to remember writing a similar one recently, I'll try to find it).

Would you be willing to send me a private message with the PCN reference number? This is at least the second time I've seen Smart pull this trick, I'm going to try and keep a record of the cases where they do so, to demonstrate they aren't one-off mistakes.

Thank you so much - yes happy to provide the PCN number for you
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on March 06, 2025, 12:11:40 pm
there is no POPLA code that I can see - the letter is literally what I have screen shot - I have just taken out names and addresses

Do I need to action anything further with a reply to them ?
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: DWMB2 on March 06, 2025, 12:05:05 pm
I would recommend a formal complaint - whilst the initial issuing of a notice wrongly claiming PoFA compliance could have been an honest mistake (I doubt it was, for the record), they have now doubled down and repeated their false stance.

I will draft a complaint for you later (I seem to remember writing a similar one recently, I'll try to find it).

Would you be willing to send me a private message with the PCN reference number? This is at least the second time I've seen Smart pull this trick, I'm going to try and keep a record of the cases where they do so, to demonstrate they aren't one-off mistakes.
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: jfollows on March 06, 2025, 11:46:51 am
Smart are so stupid that they can’t count to 14 properly, or wrongly state that they only have to send their notice within 14 days.
Actually, they don’t care because they just want your money.
They presumably provide a POPLA code with their refusal of your appeal?
POPLA can at least count to 14 properly, and will cancel this in due course.

PS your attachment is sideways

Actually, it’s not good that they lie to you in their response in the hope that you will believe them and not bother with POPLA under the mistaken assumption that they’re right.
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on March 06, 2025, 11:26:33 am
Hi All,

following submitting the appeal as per the above advice....

I have just now received the attached letter from Smart Parking Ltd - any advice non how to reply.....

greatly approached
Thanks
Emma

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Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: b789 on February 25, 2025, 06:49:27 pm
They have also made serious breaches of the PPSCoP and therefore warrant a formal complaint to themselves in order to explain why and a formal complaint to the DVLA as they have breached the KADOE contract and this requires investigation.

• The main breaches are, but not limited to are Quoting PoFA when they cannot hold the Keeper liable.
• Misstating the deadlines for appealing or paying by quoting 28 days from issue rather than from receipt.
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: DWMB2 on February 25, 2025, 02:51:16 pm
there were no tick boxes or drop downs that I could see
There's normally one asking you to confirm your relationship to the vehicle - they may well have changed the form since I last saw it.

They'll probably cancel but if they don't POPLA will. Let us know what they come back with.
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on February 25, 2025, 02:27:53 pm
thank you so much!

I have submitted online - there were no tick boxes or drop downs that I could see - I have screen shot each page as evidence.

thank you again forth taking the time too help me with this - so very much appreciated  :)
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: DWMB2 on February 25, 2025, 11:46:43 am
Although they claim to be relying on Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act to hold the company liable as the keeper, they have issued the notice too late to be able to do so!

The company as the RK can therefore appealing with the below:

Dear Sirs,

We have received your Parking Charge Notice (Ref: ________) for vehicle registration mark ____ ___, in which you allege that the driver has incurred a parking charge.  We note from your correspondence that you claim to be able to hold us liable under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 ("The Act"), but this is not true. You have failed to deliver the notice within the relevant period of 14 days as required by paragraph 9(4) of the Act.

Date of parking: 06/02/25
Date of issue: 19/02/25
Date of presumed service under 9(6) of the Act: 21/02/25
Days elapsed: 15 days

As a body corporate, we cannot have been the driver, and are appealing as the registered keeper. There is no obligation for us to name the driver and we will not be doing so. We are therefore unable to help you further with this matter, and look forward to your confirmation that the charge has been cancelled. If you choose to decline this appeal, you must issue a POPLA code.

Yours,


If appealing online, be careful there are no drop down/tick boxes that cause you to identify who was driving, and keep a close eye on your spam folder for their response. If they do not respond within 28 days, chase them.
Title: Smart Parking Charge Advise for Appeal
Post by: ShropDistill30 on February 25, 2025, 11:16:33 am
Hi There,

I am look for some advice please if I have grounds to appeal a NOTICE TO KEEPER parking charge from Smart Parking

Date of contravention is: 6/2/25, Date issued is 19/2/25 and notice letter received today 25/2/25

the images are of the business vehicle only - no images of the driver. the noticed states '...the driver became liable for a parking charge at ok diner, oswestry" images of front and back of noticed attached

I very much doubt the signs are where they have stated but have no evidence of this

do we as the company (RK) have grounds to appeal ?

Thank you kindly
Emma

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