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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: Cosmos2000 on February 12, 2025, 09:59:41 pm

Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: b789 on April 02, 2025, 09:49:58 am
Yes, we know that you have 7 days to respond. Give us a chance to go through it all whilst also dealing wth a multitude of other posts on here.

So they have failed to provide any evidence of landowner authority to issue PCNs at the location in their evidence pack.

Respond with the following which you simply copy and paste into the response webform as it is under the 10,000 character limitation.:

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1. No Evidence of Landowner Authority

One of the main grounds of appeal was that ParkingEye (PE) has failed to provide any evidence of a valid and current contract with the landowner, or with a party who has clear authorisation to act on the landowner’s behalf. This issue was clearly and prominently raised under section 4 of the appeal, which put PE to strict proof that they hold the necessary legal authority to operate on this land, and to issue and enforce parking charges in accordance with the signage in place at the time of the alleged contravention.

The importance of this point is supported by the PPSCoP. Under Section 7.1.1, it is a mandatory requirement that:

"The parking operator must have written authority from the landowner (or their appointed agent) that provides clear authorisation to undertake parking management, control, and enforcement (including issuing and enforcing parking charges) on the land in question."

Furthermore, PPSCoP Section 7.1.3 goes further and states that:

"The written authority must include the duration of the contract and any conditions or restrictions placed on parking enforcement and operational activity, including any changes to the terms of parking applicable to drivers."

This means that a mere assertion of authority is not enough. A signed contract or witness statement must be produced as evidence, and it must cover all relevant aspects, including the specific terms PE is now attempting to enforce.

Despite this clear requirement, PE’s response pack contains no such evidence. There is no copy of a landowner agreement, no witness statement, and no indication of the scope, duration, or specific permissions granted to PE to operate and issue charges at ASDA Quinton. Without this evidence, there is no way for POPLA to be satisfied that PE has the legal standing to pursue this charge.

This omission is fatal to PE’s case. Their failure to include a contract or witness statement in their evidence bundle means they have not met the burden of proof. Since POPLA cannot verify that the operator has authority to issue and enforce charges at this location, the charge cannot be upheld.

Therefore, it is submitted that on this ground alone, the appeal must be allowed.

2. No Keeper Liability – Breach of PoFA Schedule 4 Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i)

It is important to emphasise that PoFA Schedule 4 Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) sets out a mandatory and unambiguous requirement. It states that the Notice to Keeper must:

“state that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and invite the keeper — (A) to pay the unpaid parking charges; or (B) if the keeper was not the driver of the vehicle, to provide the creditor with a statement...”

The key phrase here is “invite the keeper...to pay the unpaid parking charges.”

This requirement is not optional, and there is no allowance in law for this obligation to be met by implication or assumption. The law does not say that a notice may merely “imply” that the keeper is being invited to pay, nor does it say that the fact the NtK is addressed to the keeper is somehow enough. The statute uses the word must—meaning that an explicit, unambiguous invitation must be present within the wording of the notice itself.

In this case, the Notice to Keeper fails to meet that condition. It does not state anywhere that the keeper is invited to pay the charge. The only references made are to the effect that the keeper should either provide the driver’s details or pass the notice to the driver. There is no direct, clear statement inviting the keeper themselves to make payment. That is a fundamental omission.

To be absolutely clear for the avoidance of doubt:

• The Notice is not compliant simply because it is addressed to the keeper.
• It is not compliant because it implies that someone should take action.
• It is only compliant if it specifically and expressly invites the keeper to pay.

Adjudicators cannot rewrite or gloss over statutory language. Parliament deliberately included this requirement in Schedule 4 to ensure that the transition of liability from the unknown driver to the registered keeper only occurs when all strict statutory safeguards are met. These safeguards are not technicalities—they are legal thresholds.

Whilst some assessors choose to simply gloss over PoFA 9(2)(e), they fail to take into account that sub para (i) is also required to be considered. It is a binary matter and here it is clear that it hasn't been complied with.

In failing to include the required wording, PE has not met the requirements of PoFA Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i). It is irrelevant what the operator intended to imply. What matters is whether the statutory wording is present on the face of the notice. It is not.

Therefore, POPLA must find that the NtK does not comply with PoFA and that keeper liability has not been established. The charge cannot be enforced against the registered keeper.

3. Misleading Payment Deadline – Breach of PoFA Paragraphs 9(2)(f) and 9(6)

The appeal identified that the Notice to Keeper contains a misleading statement on the front, in bold:
“Payment to be made within 28 days of the date issued.”
This contradicts the statutory wording in PoFA Paragraph 9(2)(f), which makes clear that the 28-day period begins on the day after the notice is deemed given, as defined by Paragraph 9(6) — normally two working days after posting.

This misstatement creates ambiguity about when liability may arise and contradicts any correct wording elsewhere on the notice. The front-facing deadline is more prominent and will be relied upon by a reasonable recipient. This engages the Consumer Rights Act 2015, which requires transparency and resolves ambiguity in favour of the consumer.

This point was raised explicitly in the appeal, yet ParkingEye has made no attempt to rebut it in their evidence pack. They have not explained or justified the incorrect deadline nor addressed the legal consequences of presenting conflicting information.

Since PoFA compliance must be absolute, this ambiguity means the Notice to Keeper is non-compliant. Liability cannot be transferred to the keeper, and the appeal must be allowed.

4. No Evidence the Keeper was the Driver – Keeper Cannot Be Held Liable

PE has provided no evidence whatsoever that the appellant was the driver at the time of the alleged contravention. The appeal made it clear that the identity of the driver has not been disclosed, and PE has not disputed this or provided any evidence to the contrary.

This leaves the operator with just one legal route: to pursue the registered keeper under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA). However, that mechanism only becomes available if the operator fully complies with every single mandatory condition set out in PoFA. As demonstrated earlier in this appeal, the Notice to Keeper does not comply with several key requirements of PoFA, including:

Failure to include the required invitation to the keeper to pay (Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i));
Issuing a misleading payment deadline that contradicts Paragraphs 9(2)(f) and 9(6);
Failing the overall test of absolute and unambiguous compliance with the statutory scheme.
And this is where the analogy must be stated clearly: just as a person cannot be partially or even mostly pregnant, a Notice to Keeper cannot be partially or even mostly PoFA compliant. It is a binary point. It either is or it isn't — and in this case, it isn’t. That is the law.

This means PE cannot rely on PoFA to transfer liability to the keeper. With PoFA compliance off the table, the only remaining option would be to prove — with actual evidence — that the keeper was also the driver. They have not done so.

There is no legal presumption that the keeper was the driver. The appeal cited VCS v Edward (2023), a persuasive County Court judgment in which HHJ Gargan explained precisely why it is not appropriate to infer driver identity from registered keeper status. PE has made no attempt to rebut this point, nor have they presented any evidence to support such an inference.

POPLA is not entitled to make assumptions in the operator’s favour, nor is it permitted to apply a lower evidential threshold than the law requires. Keeper liability only arises if PoFA is complied with. It is not a default position, and it does not arise by implication.

Accordingly, the only lawful conclusion is that PE cannot pursue the appellant as keeper. There is no PoFA compliance, no driver identification, and therefore no legal basis for continuing enforcement of this charge. The appeal must be allowed.

5. Flawed Assumption Regarding Signage and Landowner Authority

The operator has provided an undated site plan and generic signage templates, but no contemporaneous photographs showing how the signs actually appeared on-site at or around the date of the alleged contravention. There is no evidence the signage was present, visible, or reflected any landowner-approved terms at that time.

This issue was clearly raised in the appeal, yet the operator has not rebutted it in their evidence pack. They have not shown that the signage was authorised by the landowner, nor that it matched any valid, current agreement. A layout plan without a date and file images of signs prove nothing in isolation.

It is inappropriate for POPLA to assume that signage is valid or authorised simply because it exists. Contracts often remain static while terms change — such as grace periods, charge levels, or maximum stay durations — and if the signage was updated without a revised landowner agreement, then the operator is enforcing terms never approved.

The operator was put to strict proof and has failed to provide it. This evidential gap is fatal to their case. The appeal must be allowed.
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: Cosmos2000 on April 01, 2025, 08:14:48 pm
Hello

I have gone though the document and blanked out all my personal stuff,

This was sent in a seperate PDF:
https://imgur.com/a/2KPoCvb

Here is the case file from Parking eye is here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TXpYNOtJDYTOQGFQLz40At8GucDxZJ6k/view?usp=drive_link


This is everything that has been provided by Parking Eye to POPLA can not see anything land contract or agreement.  Page 7 showes Contracts / Letters of Authority unsure if this is what  you are looking to see.   

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: b789 on April 01, 2025, 07:14:58 pm
You need to redact your name, address, email address from ALL documents. You have not done so and expose yourself to identity theft. Go over all the pages in that pack and redact your personal info.

Where is their landowner contract or letter of authority? Did they not provide it in that pack?
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: Cosmos2000 on April 01, 2025, 02:39:38 pm
Appologies,  access updated

https://docs.google.com/document/d/15cMJER2ozIlIiLLRO51Elina2muboNGB/edit?usp=drive_link&ouid=115889132362902594099&rtpof=true&sd=true
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: b789 on April 01, 2025, 02:12:48 pm
You need to make it publicly accessible as I do not wish to provide you with my Google log ID and email address.
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: Cosmos2000 on April 01, 2025, 02:03:32 pm
Hi please see link below to the full pack.



https://docs.google.com/document/d/15cMJER2ozIlIiLLRO51Elina2muboNGB/edit?usp=drive_link&ouid=115889132362902594099&rtpof=true&sd=true
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: b789 on April 01, 2025, 01:57:26 pm
If they have sent you a complete evidence pack then host it all on DropBox or Google Drive making sure that you redact any personal info. Just showing us the bit you have, is not enough.
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: Cosmos2000 on April 01, 2025, 01:35:26 pm
Hello

I have today received from POLA operators case details following my appeal,  Parking Eye have submitted their case with the below. Inaddition they have provided the whole case history with Parky Eye signage usage plan, signage types and sizes, car signage location layout plan.

Appreciate any support in my defence to POPLA who have given 7 days.

https://imgur.com/a/zPjsxaY
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: Cosmos2000 on March 20, 2025, 07:29:24 pm
Hi thanks for the draft really appreciate this.

All done hope its successfull,  I will provide an update.
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: b789 on March 20, 2025, 12:08:14 pm
Here is a draft for your POPLA appeal:

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As the registered keeper, this is an appeal against the Parking Charge Notice PCN issued by ParkingEye for an alleged breach of the terms and conditions in ASDA, Quinton car park, on 6th February 2025.

For the avoidance of doubt, the driver’s identity has not been provided and this appeal remains purely from the registered keeper.

Summary of appeal:

1. ParkingEye’s Notice to Keeper Fails to Comply with PoFA – There is No Keeper Liability
2. ParkingEye Cannot Assume the Keeper was the Driver
3. No Valid Contract Formed – Inadequate and Unclear Signage
4. No Evidence of Valid and Current Landowner Authority



1. ParkingEye’s Notice to Keeper Fails to Comply with PoFA – There is No Keeper Liability

ParkingEye claims that their Notice to Keeper (NtK) has been issued in accordance with Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA). However, a close analysis of the notice demonstrates that it is not fully compliant with PoFA, and since compliance must be absolute for Keeper liability to apply, this means the operator has no legal basis to pursue the Keeper for the charge.

Just as a person cannot be “a bit pregnant,” a Notice to Keeper cannot be “a bit PoFA compliant.” It either fully complies with ALL statutory requirements, or it does not—and in this case, it does not.

The two primary failures of PoFA compliance in this NtK are:

(i) Failure to Include a Mandatory Invitation for the Keeper to Pay (PoFA 9(2)(e)(i))

PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) states that a Notice to Keeper must:

“state that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and invite the keeper (A) to pay the unpaid parking charges; or (B) if the keeper was not the driver of the vehicle, to provide the creditor with a statement.”

However, this NtK does not include an explicit invitation for the Keeper to pay the charge. Instead, it merely states that:

• If the Keeper was not the driver, they should provide the driver’s details.
• The Keeper should pass the notice to the driver.

This omission is crucial because PoFA does not allow for any inferred obligation on the Keeper to pay the charge. The law requires an explicit invitation to do so. ParkingEye’s NtK does not contain such an invitation, meaning it fails to FULLY comply with PoFA. Since the statutory test is absolute (full) compliance, this failure alone voids Keeper liability.

(ii) Contradictory and Misleading Payment Deadline – PoFA 9(2)(f) and 9(6)

PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(f) states that an NtK must:

"warn the keeper that if, after the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the notice is given—"

This means the correct timeline for liability and payment under PoFA is:

• The NtK is issued on Day 0.
• It is deemed “given” (received) on Day 2 (two working days later, per PoFA 9(6)).
• The Keeper has 28 full days starting from Day 3 before any liability can arise.

However, the front of the NtK states in large, bold text:

"PARKING CHARGE AMOUNT: £100.00 PAYMENT TO BE MADE WITHIN 28 DAYS OF THE DATE ISSUED."

This is factually incorrect and legally misleading because:

• The demand for payment begins from the issue date, rather than from the day after the date the notice is given.
• The correct timeline under PoFA starts from the day after the notice is given, meaning ParkingEye is demanding payment before it is legally due under PoFA.

This is not a minor mistake. It is a fundamental contradiction that invalidates Keeper liability because ParkingEye’s demand is unlawful and unenforceable under PoFA.

Even if the correct PoFA wording does appear somewhere on the back of the notice, this does not resolve the contradiction. The fact that two conflicting payment deadlines exist on the same notice creates legal uncertainty, which cannot be resolved in ParkingEye’s favour. A document that is legally flawed on its face cannot be “rescued” by contradictory small print.

The bold, prominent wording on the front of the NtK is incorrect and in direct contradiction with PPSCoP Section 8.1.2(e), which states:

"The parking operator must ensure that a notice informs the recipient: that if the recipient appeals within 28 days of receiving the parking charge, the right to pay at the rate applicable when the appeal was made must stand for a further 14 days from the date (subject to 8.1.2d) they receive notification that their appeal has been rejected."

By stating "PAYMENT TO BE MADE WITHIN 28 DAYS OF THE DATE ISSUED," ParkingEye’s NtK:

• Misleads the recipient into believing that payment is due earlier than legally required.
• Conflicts with the back of the notice, which attempts to apply the correct PoFA timeline.
• Breaches PPSCoP, invalidating the entire PCN.

Since compliance with PoFA and the PPSCoP must be absolute, this flawed notice cannot be relied upon to transfer liability to the Keeper.



2. ParkingEye Cannot Assume the Keeper was the Driver

Even if ParkingEye had issued a fully PoFA-compliant Notice to Keeper (NtK) (which they have not), they have provided no evidence that the Keeper was the driver on the day in question.

The legal position is clear: keeper liability is entirely separate from driver liability. The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) only allows an operator to hold the Keeper liable if the NtK is FULLY compliant with ALL the requirements of Schedule 4. Since ParkingEye has failed to fully comply with PoFA in multiple ways as shown in section 1 above, the only person who could be liable is the driver.

However, ParkingEye has provided no evidence as to who that driver was.

The Operator Cannot Simply Infer the Keeper was Driving

ParkingEye cannot simply infer or assume that the registered Keeper was the driver. Neither can the POPLA assessor. There is no legal presumption in PoFA or civil contract law that the Keeper and the driver are the same person. PoFA does not place any obligation on the Keeper to disclose the identity of the driver, nor does it allow the operator to transfer liability without either full compliance with PoFA or direct proof of driver identity.

The only way ParkingEye could prove that the Keeper was also the driver is if the Keeper voluntarily admitted to being the driver. The Keeper is under no legal obligation to do so, and in this case, has not done so.

In the persuasive appellate court ruling in VCS v Edward (2023) [H0KF6C9C], HHJ Gargan explicitly stated in his conclusion at paragraph 35.3:

"It is consistent with the appropriate probability analysis whereby simply because somebody is a registered keeper, it does not mean on balance of probability they were driving on this occasion, because one simply cannot tell. For example, there will be companies who are registered keepers of vehicles where many drivers have the use of the vehicle from time to time. There will be individual employers [who] are the registered keeper but who allow a number of people who may drive their vehicles. There may be situations where husband and wife are each registered keepers of their respective vehicles but for some reason drive the other. Or there may be situations where husband/wife is the registered keeper of both family cars and the registered keeper regularly drives one car and their spouse regularly drives the other. These are all possibilities which show that it is not appropriate to draw an inference that, on balance of probability, the registered keeper was driving on any given occasion."

This ruling destroys any argument that ParkingEye or POPLA can simply “infer or assume” on the balance of probability that the Keeper was also the driver. The judgment confirms that there are multiple realistic scenarios in which the Keeper was not the driver, and unless ParkingEye can provide actual evidence (such as a direct admission from the Keeper), no such inference can be drawn.

This ruling is has already been relied upon in multiple parking-related cases at the County Court level. If ParkingEye were to escalate this matter to court, they would struggle to argue against this ruling, as it provides a clear, logical, and legally sound analysis of why simply being the Keeper does not equate to being the driver.

Since ParkingEye has failed to establish Keeper liability under PoFA, and the Keeper has not admitted to being the driver, they have no legal basis to pursue the Keeper for this charge.

The appeal must therefore be upheld.



3. No Valid Contract Formed – Inadequate and Unclear Signage

The signage at this car park is unclear, poorly presented, and fails to form a contract in line with ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67.

• The charge amount is not prominently displayed, and key terms are buried in dense text.
• The Consumer Rights Act 2015 requires contractual terms to be fair and transparent—this signage fails that test.

Since no valid contract can be formed, no charge is payable.



4. No Evidence of Valid and Current Landowner Authority

ParkingEye is put to strict proof that it holds a valid, up-to-date contract with the landowner that grants them the right to issue parking charges at this location.

The burden of proof is on the operator to establish that they have landowner authority, and it is a requirement under the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP), Section 7.1.1, which states:

"The parking operator must have written authority from the landowner (or their appointed agent) that provides clear authorisation to undertake parking management, control, and enforcement (including issuing and enforcing parking charges) on the land in question."

Furthermore, PPSCoP Section 7.1.3 requires that:

"The written authority must include the duration of the contract and any conditions or restrictions placed on parking enforcement and operational activity, including any changes to the terms of parking applicable to drivers."

The key point here is that any changes to the terms and conditions for drivers must be reflected in the landowner contract.

The Operator is Put to Strict Proof that the Landowner Contract is Valid and Reflects Any Changes to the Parking Terms

It is entirely possible—if not likely—that the terms and conditions of parking for drivers at this location have materially changed since the original landowner contract with ParkingEye was agreed.

For example, but not limited to:

• The maximum free parking period may have changed (e.g., from 2 hours to 90 minutes).
• The parking charge amount may have increased.
• Additional restrictions may have been introduced that were not originally permitted under the landowner agreement.

If any of these types of changes have occurred, ParkingEye must prove that the landowner contract was amended to reflect these changes. A mere signed witness statement from ParkingEye does not satisfy this requirement. The operator must provide a contemporaneous, unredacted contract that:

1. Covers the exact terms in place on the date of the alleged contravention.
2. Explicitly authorises ParkingEye to issue parking charges under the precise terms that appear on the signage.
3. Confirms that the landowner has agreed to any subsequent amendments to the parking conditions.

If ParkingEye fails to provide concrete documentary evidence that their contract fully aligns with the parking terms on the signage, then their authority to issue this PCN is void.

Some POPLA assessors have previously used the flawed reasoning that because the operator’s signage remains in place, this somehow means that the landowner contract must still be valid. This is not a legally sound argument and completely ignores the possibility that the terms and conditions for drivers may have materially changed, while the landowner contract has not been updated to reflect those changes.

There could be multiple reasons why an operator’s signage remaining in place does not confirm that the underlying landowner contract is still legally valid:

• The terms of parking for drivers may have changed, such as a reduction in the maximum stay period, an increase in the parking charge, or the introduction of additional restrictions (e.g., a change in grace periods). If these changes were not incorporated into the landowner contract, then ParkingEye has no legal authority to enforce those new terms.
• The landowner may not have actively reviewed or updated the contract, meaning the terms ParkingEye is enforcing do not match what was originally agreed upon.
• The contract may have expired and simply not been renewed, yet the operator continues enforcement under outdated terms.
• The landowner may be unaware that the operator has made unilateral changes to the enforcement policy, such as altering consideration or grace periods or modifying charges without obtaining explicit landowner approval.

The list is not exhaustive. If the contract does not explicitly authorise ParkingEye to enforce the precise parking terms currently displayed on the signage, then their entire enforcement action is invalid.

It is not enough for the operator or POPLA to say, “the landowner allows signs to remain”. That does not prove that the actual contractual authority is still valid and reflective of the current driver terms and conditions.

For these reasons, ParkingEye is put to strict proof that a valid, up-to-date contract exists that authorises them to issue charges under the exact terms displayed on the signage at the time of the alleged contravention. If they fail to provide this, then POPLA must allow this appeal and instruct ParkingEye to cancel the charge.



Conclusion

This Parking Charge Notice (PCN) is invalid and must be cancelled due to multiple critical failures by ParkingEye:

1. Failure to Fully Comply with PoFA – The Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not meet the mandatory requirements of Schedule 4, meaning Keeper liability cannot apply. Just as a person cannot be “a bit pregnant,” an NtK cannot be “a bit” PoFA-compliant. ParkingEye’s PoFA failures are clearly identified and render the charge unenforceable against the Keeper.
2. No Evidence the Keeper was the Driver – ParkingEye has provided zero proof of driver identity, and the Keeper is under no legal obligation to disclose this information. The persuasive ruling in VCS v Edward (2023) confirms that it is not appropriate to infer that a Keeper was the driver. Without such proof, ParkingEye has no legal basis to pursue the charge.
3. Misleading and Contradictory Payment Deadline – The NtK falsely demands payment within 28 days of the issue date, contradicting PoFA 9(2)(f) and 9(6) and breaching PPSCoP 8.1.2(e). This misleading demand invalidates the charge.
4. Unclear and Inadequate Signage – The signage fails the Beavis transparency test, with key terms buried in dense text and failing to establish a fair contract with the driver.
5. No Proof of Valid Landowner Authority – The operator is put to strict proof that its contract with the landowner is valid, up-to-date, and reflects any changes to the driver terms and conditions. A mere signed statement is not sufficient.

Given these fatal flaws, ParkingEye has no legal basis to pursue the Keeper or enforce this charge. POPLA must uphold this appeal and instruct ParkingEye to cancel the PCN immediately.
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: Cosmos2000 on March 20, 2025, 07:37:19 am
Hello

I am ready to fight on!!  I dont understand the next steps or what to say to POPLA what do I need to provide to POPLA.  I have taken a look where I am guessing the options,  the only evidence would be that the insurace has 2 named divers.


I was not the driver or the registered keeper of the vehicle at the time of the alleged improper parking.
You bought the vehicle after the alleged improper parking.
You sold the vehicle before the alleged improper parking.
You hired a car, but were not the hirer at the time of the alleged improper parking.
You were not the driver at the time of the alleged improper parking.
You provided the driver's details, but the parking company continued to pursue you.
Supporting evidence may include
Evidence confirming the date the car was purchased or sold
Evidence that someone else was driving the car at the time of the alleged improper parking   
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: b789 on March 20, 2025, 01:13:18 am
With POPLA you have a high chance that you are successful, if you put together some decent arguments. However, POPLA do not take into consideration mitigating circumstances. They only consider the law and the PPSCoP.

Even if your POPLA appeal is unsuccessful, their decision is not binding on you and would have no effect on any claim made later. If you are now considering paying the PCN, in order to take advantage of the “mug’s discount”, then you are precisely the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree that they are hoping for.

The only people that pay at the mugs discount rate, do so out of ignorance and fear. Please don’t waste any more of our time seeking advice and the ignoring it. Every pieces of advice advice we give is based on many years of dedication to understanding the law surrounding parking tickets and successfully fighting these scammers who appear to already have you marked as a mug.

So, are you prepared to fight this or simply cave in out spof ignorance and fear?
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: Cosmos2000 on March 19, 2025, 08:42:07 pm
Whats the chances of success with POPLA and how do I proceed.
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: jfollows on March 19, 2025, 07:58:48 pm
See post 5 above, it was always going to POPLA, they don’t accept most appeals because they know plenty of people just pay up at this stage.
Your choice, but if you don’t want to pay anything you’ll get help with a POPLA appeal here.
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: Cosmos2000 on March 19, 2025, 07:55:01 pm
Thanks,  managed to see find the POPLA reference.   I guess its now a case to either pay or refer to POPLA and hope for the best.
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: DWMB2 on March 19, 2025, 07:24:31 pm
Is there not one above where it says "Dear Sir/madam"? That's often where they put the code.

If they haven't provided one, you should urgently email to demand one.
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: Cosmos2000 on March 19, 2025, 06:53:47 pm
The dont apprear to have provided a POPLA reference,   think it may be eaiser to settle at the reduced price.
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: b789 on March 19, 2025, 03:47:55 pm
DO a forum search for POPLA appeals to get an idea of how to present one.
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: Cosmos2000 on March 19, 2025, 02:04:40 pm
Hello, 

I have today received the below via email declining my appeal, would welcome any support.

https://imgur.com/a/CCma4Vt (https://imgur.com/a/CCma4Vt)

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Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: DWMB2 on February 28, 2025, 10:56:50 am
I'm not sure that nit-picking the difference between a parking charge, and a parking charge notice (the latter simply being notice of the former) is of much material benefit to the OP or their course of action, and therefore what you are getting at with your point.

Let's focus on helping the OP rather than debating which one of us has the most technically correct interpretations of the relevant terms.
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: H C Andersen on February 28, 2025, 10:48:44 am
The draft I read stated: 'I now require you to either cancel this PCN or provide me with a POPLA code...'

But IMO the NTK is not a demand for money, it's (or should be) advice and information(9(2)(b),(c) and (d)), an invitation(9(3)(e)) and notification about prospective rights(9(2)(f)). I don't see how this can be 'cancelled' because it's a requirement of PoFA.

People often confuse a PCN - which is not referred to in PoFA- with 'parking charge', which is.

Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: DWMB2 on February 27, 2025, 09:23:38 pm
You cannot require the creditor to cancel this parking charge ('cancel the PCN') simply because the NTK does not comply with PoFA

The suggested appeal does not require that. It requires them to either cancel the parking charge or issue a POPLA code, which, given that ParkingEye don't know who was driving, are the only two options they can realistically take.

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What are the chances of the proceeding to POPLA. 
High. There's no money to be made out of accepting appeals.
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: Cosmos2000 on February 27, 2025, 08:09:44 pm
Hi

I have sent the responce for second appeal appeal to their fishing mail.

What are the chances of the proceeding to POPLA. Would Parkey Eye continue fishing and increase the PCN or allow the reduced amount. 
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: H C Andersen on February 27, 2025, 08:08:20 pm
The NTK merely notifies(or should notify) the keeper, in accordance with PoFA, that they may be held liable for the driver's liability. You cannot require the creditor to cancel this parking charge ('cancel the PCN') simply because the NTK does not comply with PoFA, the parking charge at its heart is a matter between the creditor and the driver. As keeper, the limit of your appeal is that the creditor may not hold you liable.

They may still pursue the driver because this has nothing to do with the keeper as such.
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: b789 on February 27, 2025, 04:22:49 pm
Just respond with the following:

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Subject: Formal Response to Appeal Rejection – Request for POPLA Code

Dear ParkingEye,

I refer to your recent response regarding my appeal against Parking Charge Notice [PCN Reference Number]. Your letter falsely claims that I have stated I was not the driver, which is entirely untrue. Nowhere in my appeal did I make such a statement.

Furthermore, your response attempts to mislead me into believing I am legally obligated to name the driver. As you are well aware, there is no legal obligation on the registered keeper to do so. Your insistence that I provide such information, coupled with your distortion of my appeal, is deeply concerning and will be reported to the DVLA as a potential breach of your KADOE contract.

Regarding PoFA compliance, simply quoting PoFA 9(2)(b) does not rectify the fundamental failure of your NtK to meet all the conditions required under Schedule 4. In particular, your NtK fails to comply with PoFA 9(2)(e)(i), as it does not include the required invitation for the Keeper to pay the charge. Instead, it states that only the driver is liable and directs the Keeper to pass on the notice. Given that there is no legal requirement for the Keeper to identify the driver, your letter is misleading and appears to be an attempt to intimidate me into providing information I am under no obligation to disclose to an unregulated private parking company.

I now require you to either cancel this PCN or provide me with a POPLA code to escalate this matter to independent adjudication. Should you refuse or continue to misrepresent your position, I will have no hesitation in reporting your conduct to the DVLA, BPA, and ICO for misleading communications and potential data protection breaches.

Yours sincerely,

[Your Name]
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: Cosmos2000 on February 27, 2025, 04:08:24 pm
If ignore they provide POPLA code do appeal and if unsuccessful still allowed to pay the reduced fine.
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: jfollows on February 27, 2025, 03:45:00 pm
Standard fishing letter from Parking Eye trying to get you to name the driver, so ignore, they will reject your appeal “after careful consideration” which is funny because they always do, but they will provide a POPLA code when they do.
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: Cosmos2000 on February 27, 2025, 02:43:24 pm
Hello,  I have receievd the below email from Parking EYE following my appeal.  Appreciate any support.

The email says the below with the attached document below.

Dear Sir / Madam,

We are writing to you to in relation to the Parking Charge incurred on *February 2025 at***, at ******  car park.

Please find attached information concerning your appeal.

Kind Regards,

Parkingeye Team


https://imgur.com/a/heq02h0
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: Cosmos2000 on February 13, 2025, 09:00:17 pm
Appreciate the help and suppport,  appeal sent as above no mention of driver.  I have recieved an Parking Eye aknowledging and will consider the appeal within 28 days.    Will revert back with an update. 

Thanks
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: b789 on February 13, 2025, 07:27:32 pm
"Big bold error on the front regarding payment due date" also is in breach of the PPSCoP section 8.1.2(e) because that is the only section of the CoP where "28 days" is actually defined. It is "within 28 days of receiving the parking charge" and "receiving" is defined at Note #2.

Non compliance of the PPSCoP is grounds for POPLA to cancel the charge which is a bridge to cross when we come to it.
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: ixxy on February 13, 2025, 06:15:02 pm
Big bold error on the front regarding payment due date which also negates the PoFA 9(2)(f) wording on the back.

Which you will undoutedly need to get a judge to agree with, that looks like a standard Parkingeye PCN. They have in-house lawyers who will be all over the wording to makesure it is compliant and isn't easy to defeat in court despite what b789 states. It'll probably not get to court but its up to you whether you wish to risk that and then navigate through the paperwork required to successfully defend a court claim.
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: b789 on February 13, 2025, 01:24:27 am
Fails PoFA 9(2)(e)(i) and PPSCoP. Big bold error on the front regarding payment due date which also negates the PoFA 9(2)(f) wording on the back.

Easy one to deal with… as long as the unknown drivers identity is not revealed. There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.

The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known keeper.

Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove anything from it:

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Subject: Appeal – Parking Charge Notice [PCN Reference]

I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement, and I will be making a complaint about your misleading and unfair practices to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving, and no inference or assumptions can be drawn.

Your NtK contains contradictory information regarding the timeframe for payment and liability, as it incorrectly states very clearly and prominently on the front that debt recovery action will commence after 28 days from the issue date rather than from the date the NtK is given, as required by PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraphs 9(2)(f) and 9(6). This misleading and prominent error invalidates PoFA compliance.

The NtK also fails to comply with PoFA paragraph 9(2)(e)(i). PoFA requires wording that explicitly links the Keeper to the payment obligation, either by inviting them to pay the charge or provide the driver’s details. The NtK only states that the driver is liable and provides payment instructions for the driver, with no indication that the Keeper can or is invited to pay. PoFA compliance must be explicit, and implied obligations do not suffice. Therefore, Keeper liability does not apply.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under any misinterpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. You have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: Cosmos2000 on February 12, 2025, 10:23:37 pm
Appologies new immages loaded

https://imgur.com/ie8iVvN

https://imgur.com/CjJqsYK
Title: Re: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: DWMB2 on February 12, 2025, 10:08:50 pm
Those images are illegibly small, and you have obscured important information.

To help us provide the best advice, please read the following thread carefully and provide as much of the information it asks for as you are able to: READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide (https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/).

The quality of advice we are able to give corresponds to the quality of information you provide us - you'll get much better advice if you give us a bit more context than "This came through today and looking to see if there is any chance to appeal".

Title: Parking Eye PCN
Post by: Cosmos2000 on February 12, 2025, 09:59:41 pm
Hello

This came through today and looking to see if there is any chance to appeal.
This is car park in Quinton with an Asda, Starbuck and Subway.  We have contact Starbucks they said to contact Asda who are unabel to also assist. We have no receipt of purchase as paid cash on the day.

I have noticed the signs are poor with more signs on exit than entering.