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Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: titine on June 12, 2025, 09:59:55 am
Here is copy of N279
  And it’s say


We act for the Claimant in the above matter. 
 
Our client has instructed us to discontinue Court proceedings and close our file. Therefore, please find enclosed the Claimant’s N279 Notice of Discontinuance for your records. 
 
The attached has also been filed with the Court.
 
We will now proceed to close our file accordingly.

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Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: b789 on June 10, 2025, 01:49:06 pm
Does this means this is the end? Hopefully they will leave me alone

Yes, it's all over. As predicted.

Please post a copy of the N279 for our records.
Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: titine on June 10, 2025, 11:32:28 am
Does this means this is the end? Hopefully they will leave me alone
Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: titine on June 10, 2025, 11:01:46 am
Thank you to my moderator and all the moderators here for the great work you do.
So I received the below from DCB legal Ltd this morning:


We act for the Claimant in the above matter. 
 
Our client has instructed us to discontinue Court proceedings and close our file. Therefore, please find enclosed the Claimant’s N279 Notice of Discontinuance for your records. 
 
The attached has also been filed with the Court.
 
We will now proceed to close our file accordingly.

Kind Regards,
Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: b789 on May 20, 2025, 07:13:54 pm
Stop worrying. There is no way you can get a CCJ. This is the first sign that they are going to discontinue. It's a well known tactic that we are fully aware of.

Do not respond to that letter. They may try and contact you again, either by letter, email of phone. Ignore all attempts by them to try and settle this. They have been known to go as low as offering £5. However if you stand your ground and follow our advice, they WILL discontinue.

As to what you cannot just get a "CCJ" read this:

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A County Court Judgment (CCJ) does not just happen—it follows a clear legal process. If someone gets a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) from a private parking company, here's what happens step by step:

1. Parking Charge Notice (PCN) Issued

• The parking company sends a letter (Notice to Keeper) demanding money.

• This is not a fine—it’s an invoice for an alleged breach of contract.

2. Opportunity to Appeal

• The recipient can appeal to the parking company.

•If rejected, they may be able to appeal to POPLA (if BPA member) or IAS (if IPC member).

• If an appeal is lost or ignored, the parking company demands payment.

3. Debt Collection Letters

• The parking company might send scary letters or pass the case to a debt collector.

• Debt collectors have no power—they just send letters and can be ignored.

No CCJ happens at this stage.

4. Letter Before Claim (LBC)

• If ignored for long enough, the parking company (or their solicitor) sends a Letter Before Claim (LBC).

• This is a warning that they may start a court case.

• The recipient has 30 days to reply before a claim is filed.

No CCJ happens at this stage.

5. County Court Claim Issued

• If ignored or unpaid, the parking company may file a claim with the County Court.

• The court sends a Claim Form with details of the claim and how to respond.

• The recipient has 14 days to respond (or 28 days if they acknowledge it).

No CCJ happens at this stage.

6. Court Process

• If the recipient defends the claim, a judge decides if they owe money.

• If the recipient ignores the claim, the parking company wins by default.

No CCJ happens yet unless the recipient loses and ignores the court.

7. Judgment & Payment

• If the court rules that money is owed, the recipient has 30 days to pay in full.

• If they pay within 30 days, no CCJ goes on their credit file.

• If they don’t pay within 30 days, the CCJ stays on their credit file for 6 years.

Conclusion

CCJs do not appear out of thin air. They only happen if:

• A parking company takes the case to court.

• The person loses or ignores the case.

• The person fails to pay within 30 days.

If you engage with the process (appeal, defend, or pay on time), no CCJ happens.
Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: titine on May 20, 2025, 04:05:59 pm
Hi there, so I received this email from Dcd legal asking again for settlement and frightening me about CCJ
what should I do please . So basically we’ve gone from £170 to £60. Do I stand my ground hoping that they will drop this or do I pay the £60 to put an end to this? What are my chances of ignoring them?


Good Afternoon,
 
WITHOUT PREJUDICE SAVE AS TO COSTS
 
We write in respect to the above Claim and shall shortly be sending to you our Client's Witness Statement together with all documents in support of their Claim against you. This evidence will be presented at Trial, and we are confident that your liability for repayment of the Parking Charge will be determined by the Court.
 
Despite this, we have been instructed to attempt to settle the case with you so that the matter can be brought to an early conclusion and in order that you may avoid a County Court Judgment (CCJ) being granted against you, should the Court award this in our Client's favour.  They are therefore willing to settle the case at this stage for a reduced sum of £60.00. Should you be agreeable to the same, please ensure payment is made within 14 days of this email.
 
If payment in the above sum is not made within 14 days, we have instructions to proceed to Trial, where a CCJ could be granted against you. A CCJ can remain on your credit file for 6 years from the date it is granted, and its impact may make it difficult for you to obtain credit in the future, such as a mortgage.
 
Once paid we shall inform the Court of the early settlement, requesting the Trial be vacated and the Claim marked as paid. We shall then close our file.   
 
The benefits to you making a payment to settle the Claim at this stage are:
 
Avoid the case proceeding to Trial where you may have to attend.
Avoid the risk of a CCJ being granted against you and the impact this could have on your credit file.
Avoid the risk of further fees and costs being added to the amount you owe should the Claim proceed.
Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: titine on May 10, 2025, 11:32:18 am
Thank you. That’s exactly what happened. I received today Notice of Transfer of Proceedings.
This said that the Claim has been transferred to the county court for allocation.
The judge’s decision will be sent to me in a notice of allocation.
So just have to wait.

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Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: b789 on May 06, 2025, 09:53:49 am
You just have to be patient. The case will be transferred to your local county court and you'll be notified when that has been done. You will also receive an order informing you of the hearing date, deadlines for the claimant to pay the trial fee and for submitting Witness Statements and anything else either party intends to rely on.

The order may also instruct the claimant to submit further PoC or it may simply strike out the claim. Just wait for it to come through.

DCB Legal will eventually discontinue on behalf of ECP before the trial fee has to be paid, if it's not struck out first.
Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: titine on May 05, 2025, 06:52:41 pm
Hi there, it’s been a while since I had the mediation session. Nothing has happened so far. Should I be expecting anything else at this stage? I just don’t want them to come back years later with this again.
Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: titine on April 14, 2025, 03:22:36 pm
Hi, just had the telephone mediation call and was offered to settle but as advised I just said I’m not prepared to settle. The caller then said if at any stage I decided to settle then I should contact the claimant.
She then emailed me this:

Although a settlement could not be reached on this occasion the parties are reminded that Court is considered a last resort and in which case both parties are encouraged to continue to communicate where possible in an attempt to resolve the claim, you may find that today’s mediation gives you both a base upon which to build on.

If the parties can satisfactorily resolve the matter without the need of the Court, the Claimant should complete a notice of discontinuance using the appropriate form in the link and file it with the appropriate Court; N279 - w3 Notice of discontinuance (6.99) (publishing.service.gov.uk) or update Online Civil Money Claims through your account.

If not already done so. the claim will now be transferred out of our business centre to a court where standard directions will be given and you will be notified in writing of the next stages to follow. It is important that both parties follow these instructions and adhere to the timetable set down by the Court which will include a further court fee and a final hearing for determination of the matter.
Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: titine on March 28, 2025, 11:19:19 am
Okay, thanks
Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: jfollows on March 28, 2025, 11:15:00 am
No preparation needed.
Make it clear you are not prepared to offer anything to settle.
Do not get drawn into any discussion of your defence, refer any questions to the documents already submitted.
Just a tick in the box process. Person running the session is not a legally trained person.
Five minutes and it will be over.

Plenty of similar examples on this forum already.
Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: titine on March 28, 2025, 11:10:46 am
Morning, I just received date for telephone mediation. Any idea how to prepare for this?
Mediation is for 14/04/25
No other letter in the post yet just an email the tribunal service with a slot for telephone appointment.
Any advice please. Thanks
Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: titine on March 21, 2025, 05:32:12 pm
Thank you, will complete the for and let you know once done.
Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: b789 on March 21, 2025, 04:18:36 pm
All to be expected. The intention to proceed is a boilerplate response. The notice of allocation just confirms that the case is being transferred from the CNBC administration centre to your local county court. You will, in due course, receive a directions order from your local court which will give you the date of any hearing and deadlines for both parties to submit their Witness Statements (WS) and a deadline for the claimant to pay the £27 hearing fee.

DO not waste time trying to prepare a WS as the most likely outcome is going to be either a strike out by the case management judge or, barring that, DCB Legal will discontinue the claim just before they have to pay the hearing fee.

When you receive the case management order, please show us the content of that order.
Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: jfollows on March 21, 2025, 11:54:54 am
No. It’s only the dates personal to you we might need copies of. N180 by 7 April 2025.

Advice on how to complete N180 DQ at https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/cpm-parking-pcn-no-permit-bow-london-money-claim-issued/msg62553/#msg62553

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Having received your own N180 (make sure it is not simply a copy of the claimants N180), do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/673341e779e9143625613543/N180_1124.pdf

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

• The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".

• To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".

• C1: "YES"

• D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question.."

• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option

• F3: "1".

• Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.

I’m just quoting from b789’s earlier post.

Remember, you’re going through the process until DCB Legal gives up. There will be a mandatory mediation session at which you offer nothing and that’s it. Plenty of other similar case histories here.
Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: titine on March 21, 2025, 11:54:12 am
Please let me know if you need the whole document of the N180 with all the different sections
A-settlement
B- contact details
C-Track
D-suitability for determination without a hearing
E-About the mediation appointment
Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: titine on March 21, 2025, 11:37:04 am
These are the two documents I received. I need to fill out the n180 form I think but I have no idea how. Would you like me to send all the pages of the notice? It’s about 5 pages document.

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Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: jfollows on March 21, 2025, 10:56:55 am
Both completely normal and expected.

I think the notice of allocation gives actions and dates, so please note them and post the notice so we can see it also.
Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: titine on March 21, 2025, 10:23:41 am
So in regards to this issue I now received 2 separate documents in the post this morning and I’m in panic mode. First document is from DCB LEGAL advising that their client intends to proceed with the claim.
The second document is a Notice of proposed allocation to small claims track. I don’t know what to do and where to start at this point.
Any advice is appreciated.
Thank you
Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: titine on February 19, 2025, 01:02:58 pm
I received an acknowledgment of my defence from the Tribunal and a copy is being served to the claimant.
Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: titine on February 11, 2025, 09:15:11 am
I have now sent the email with both defence and draft order in one file to the email with myself in copy.
Just wait and see what happen next.
Thanks and I will keep you posted.
Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: b789 on February 10, 2025, 04:08:14 pm
If you can combine the draft order into the defence, so having only a single PDF document, even better. Here is a link to a similar blank defence and draft order as a single PDF document:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/jd1whire9fgwf548i4470/Short-defence-strikeout-order-16.4only.pdf?rlkey=w1tovzs73tkwz9ylv609fegqf&st=r0ijjg9m&dl=0

Or if it is any help, although I am not 100% sure it will format properly in Word as I created it using Apple Pages, but there is a .docx version:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/375betntn8n790l911ch0/Short-defence-strikeout-order-16.4only.docx?rlkey=2b5zeuxju7ha0r6n6wj8ykvfi&st=5g8t1i44&dl=0
Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: DWMB2 on February 10, 2025, 03:46:09 pm
I realise these things are daunting the first time round, but your situation will not be helped by rushing or panicking. Take a breath, and read the thread carefully.

Copy and paste the suggested defence into a Word document (or similar), then save it as a PDF file. Download a copy of the draft order. Attach them to an email addressed to the email address provided above, and CC in your own email. Include the subject and text suggested by b789:

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The claim number must be in the email subject field and in the body of the email just put: "Please find attached the defence and draft order in the matter of [claimant] v [your full name] Claim no.: [claim number]."
Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: titine on February 10, 2025, 03:41:10 pm
Got you, I was trying to in the MCOL but couldn’t get in anyway. Do do I just copy and paste this letter on an email then?
I’m sorry to ask some stupid questions but this is all new to me and I’m really scared.
Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: b789 on February 10, 2025, 03:22:17 pm
Where are you "trying to enter your claim number"????? You have been told that you only submit the defence by email.

Please confirm that you are NOT trying to use MCOL to submit your defence? DO NOT try to use MCOL to submit your defence. ONLY send it by email as instructed above!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: titine on February 10, 2025, 02:47:31 pm
Thank you, I tried to enter my claim number but git an error message saying that the number is invalid many times. Not sure what to do
Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: b789 on February 10, 2025, 01:17:45 pm
With an issue date of 6th February, you have until 25th February to submit an Acknowledgement of Service (AoS). By submitting an AoS, you would then have until 4pm on Tuesday 11th March to submit your defence. If you do not submit an AoS, then you have until 4pm on Tuesday 25th March to submit the defence.

If you want to submit an AoS then follow the instructions in this linked PDF:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

Otherwise, here is the defence and link to the draft order that goes with it. You only need to edit your name and the claim number. You sign the defence by typing your full name for the signature and date it. There is nothing to edit in the draft order.

When you're ready you send both documents as PDF attachments in an email to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and CC in yourself. The claim number must be in the email subject field and in the body of the email just put: "Please find attached the defence and draft order in the matter of [claimant] v [your full name] Claim no.: [claim number]."

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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

[Claimant]

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DEFENCE

1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16(7.5);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts)

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest, damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The Defendant attaches to this defence a copy of a draft order approved by a district judge at another court. The court struck out the claim of its own initiative after determining that the Particulars of Claim failed to comply with CPR 16.4. The judge noted that the claimant had failed to:

(i) Set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions relied upon;

(ii) Adequately explain the reasons why the defendant was allegedly in breach of contract;

(iii) Provide separate, detailed Particulars of Claim as permitted under CPR PD 7C.5.2(2).

(iv) The court further observed that, given the modest sum claimed, requiring further case management steps would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective. Accordingly, the judge struck out the claim outright rather
than permitting an amendment.

5. The Defendant submits that the same reasoning applies in this case and invites the court to adopt a similar approach by striking out the claim for the Claimant’s failure to comply with CPR 16.4.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

Draft Order for the defence (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/tcewefk7daozuje25chkl/Strikeout-order-v2.pdf?rlkey=wxnymo8mwcma2jj8xihjm7pdx&st=nbtf0cn6&dl=0)
Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: DWMB2 on February 10, 2025, 11:41:54 am
I have deleted them.
Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: titine on February 10, 2025, 11:30:08 am
Sorry about that, I’m really still trying to get to work on communication here.
So I nether received the original notice to keeper as I just moved when this happened. Even though I had a redirection in place with the post office the only redirected letter was the final reminder.
After that I wrote to euro car park to explained how I never received their notice to keeper and also told them that I had a ticket with proof of purchase and also advised them of my new address.
How can I delete the previous attachment? Can’t see it anymore. Can you please delete it? Thanks
Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: b789 on February 10, 2025, 10:50:20 am
You really must get a grip on how you expose your personal information. Here is a redacted copy of your claim form and I suggest you delete the other copies which expose your claim number and your MCOL password:

(https://i.imgur.com/Y5F2uR4.jpeg)

Also, we need to see the original Notice to Keeper (NtK), not the reminder.
Title: Re: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: b789 on February 09, 2025, 06:15:26 pm
You could start by showing us the original Notice to Keeper (NtK) you received making sure you leave all dates and times showing and also show us the N1SDT Claim Form, only redacting your personal details, the claim number and MCOL password.

Please read this first:

READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide (https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/)
Title: Hounslow/PCN Received from Euro car parks
Post by: titine on February 09, 2025, 06:09:29 pm
This happened in 2022 where I paid and displayed parking tickets but still got a PCN. I disputed this with copy of the ticket and bank statement but my details were passed onto DCB who have now issue claim form for me through CCJ. I have the ticket as proof of payment and bank statement but Euro car park is saying because I didn’t enter my registration number the ticket is invalid. What should I do? Please advise. I have moved since then and no longer own the car but have not received this CCJ Claim form.