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Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: pcnappeal on January 10, 2026, 12:39:23 am
Hello,

Gentle nudge :)

Gladstones have asked me to pay up by 19th

Thanks,
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: pcnappeal on January 06, 2026, 12:54:16 pm
Hello again,

Happy new year to fellow FTLA members!!

I've just had a response from Gladstone solicitors further to the email I sent them earlier. They've sent an evidence pack which is pretty much just the 2 NtK and a bunch of pictures PPS have. No site map or contract agreements between PPS and landlord have been sent. I've attached their email response and the evidence pack they've sent me which they claim is sufficient for them to initiate legal proceedings on failure to pay the amount due.

Thank you in advance for your advice

Email Response - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mjwgsNDamrKWIYx3BX5LT8KXJsJrjmzI/view?usp=sharing
Evidence Pack - https://drive.google.com/file/d/17tQ0ivDtnUs4poelopnNIE9gsaQEwPwQ/view?usp=sharing
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: pcnappeal on November 26, 2025, 09:00:19 am
Amazing thanks a ton. @b789 you're awesome!!

Will update once I receive a response from them.

Thanks again
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: b789 on November 26, 2025, 07:30:50 am
Ah, the incompetents at Gladstone have been retained. Always good for a laugh. They never comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a) which often leads to a strike out.

Respond to the LoC with the following, as it also requires them to produce their “site plan” which used to include a provable doctored Google Map view where they have changed the road names to suit their claim rather than the actual facts on the ground:

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Subject: Response to your Letter of Claim – Ref: [reference number]

Dear Sirs,

Your Letter Before Claim contains insufficient detail of the claim and fails to provide copies of the evidence your client intends to rely upon. It is therefore non‑compliant with the Pre‑Action Protocol for Debt Claims (PAPDC). As a supposed firm of solicitors, one would expect you to comply with paragraphs 3.1(a)–(d), 5.1 and 5.2 of the Protocol, and paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. These provisions exist to facilitate informed, proportionate resolution, and I suggest you reacquaint yourselves with them.

The Civil Procedure Rules 1998, Pre‑Action Conduct and Protocols (Part 3), require each party to exchange sufficient information to understand the other’s position. Part 6 clarifies that this includes disclosure of key documents relevant to the issues in dispute. Your template letter refers to a “contract” yet encloses none. That omission undermines the very basis upon which your client’s claim allegedly rests. It is not possible to engage in any form of meaningful pre‑litigation dialogue while you refuse to furnish the documents you purport to enforce.

I confirm that, once I am in receipt of a Letter Before Claim that complies with paragraph 3.1(a), I shall seek advice and submit a full response within 30 days. Accordingly, please now provide:

1. A copy of the original Notice to Keeper and the full notice chain relied upon to assert any alleged PoFA 2012 liability.
2. An actual photograph of the sign(s) in situ on the material date (not stock images), together with a contemporaneous site map showing sign locations.
3. The precise wording of the contractual term(s) your client alleges were breached.
4. The written agreement between your client and the landowner evidencing authority to manage, enforce and litigate in their own name.
5. A clear breakdown of the sums claimed, identifying whether the principal amount is alleged consideration or damages, and clarifying the legal basis and VAT position of the £70 add‑on.

These documents are required under paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction to enable me to meet my obligation under paragraph 6(b).

Your letter’s attempt at intimidation

I also note that your accompanying schedule manages to refer to a “CCJ” four times, in what is clearly intended as a coercive device rather than legitimate legal information. The repetition is telling: it demonstrates not confidence in your client’s position, but reliance on fear as a substitute for substance.

To be clear: I am fully aware that a County Court Judgment only arises after your client wins a claim (which is highly unlikely on the facts), and even then, any judgment paid within one calendar month is removed from the register and has no impact on credit. Your overuse of the term “CCJ” is therefore not only pointless but improper.

Your firm is on notice that this conduct will now be reported to:
• the Solicitors Regulation Authority, for use of misleading and oppressive tactics contrary to the SRA Code of Conduct; and
• the Competition and Markets Authority, under the Digital Markets, Competition and Consumers Act 2024, given the statutory prohibition on coercive and misleading commercial practices.

If you proceed to issue a claim without first providing the documents and information required under the PAPDC and Pre‑Action Conduct, I will draw your non‑compliance to the Court’s attention and seek appropriate sanctions, including a stay and case‑management orders pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the Practice Direction. Any unreasonable conduct by you or your client will be relied upon in support of an application for costs.

For the avoidance of doubt, I will not engage with any web portal. I will respond only via email or post.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name][/b][/b]

When they respond, remind me to give you the SRA and CMA complaints to submit.
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: pcnappeal on November 25, 2025, 06:58:50 pm
Greetings and thank you to all the advisors who contribute to this forum.

I have just had a Letter Before Claim sent from PPS's solicitors Gladstones Solicitors.

I have attached the letter. It says in the letter I should respond to them if I want to dispute the charge. Should I do this and explain the circumstances? If yes, is there a format I should stick to? Any advice is greatly appreciated!

Timeline of events so far

28 Jan 2025 - Date of alleged breach and driver liability
04 Feb 2025 - Parking Charge Notice received
08 Feb 2025 - Response(appeal) from keeper
22 Mar 2025 - Notice to Keeper received
23 Mar 2025 - Complaint raised with BPA (PPS website was not accessible)
28 Apr 2025 - Emailed BPA asking for an update on complaint
06 May 2025 - Emailed BPA asking for an update on complaint
12 May 2025 - BPA response received (to ask PPS for a copy of their appeal response)
18 May 2025 - Complaint raised with PPS requesting copy of appeal response
19 May 2025 - Received email from PPS along with appeal response and original email they claim to have sent on 14 Feb 2025
19 May 2025 - Responded to PPS requesting them email headers of email they claim to have sent on 14 Feb 2025
23 May 2025 - Received email from PPS along with email headers of email they claim to have sent on 14 Feb 2025
24 Nov 2025 - Received Letter Before Claim from PPS solicitors

Images:
https://ibb.co/M5kxxYvC
https://ibb.co/Mxy2MWNQ


Many thanks,

Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: pcnappeal on June 03, 2025, 11:38:23 am
Yep, as you say, it does seem like they sent an email on the 14 Feb.

It still feels like there was some technical issue somewhere as I did not receive that email, just don't know how to prove it. I have searched my inbox, spam and trash folders and it's not there. Moreover, all their recent responses have been coming through just fine, in fact, on the original appeal email thread. I even got their autoresponse email this time which I didn't the first time.

I suppose there is nothing further I can do to get my email provider(Gmail) to confirm if that message was delivered to my inbox or not?
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: b789 on June 03, 2025, 10:05:13 am
That email header shows that the email was sent, presumably to your email address on 14th February 2025 at 1110 UTC. The email contained plaint text, HTML and attachments.

So, they did send you something, presumably your appeal response with your POPLA code.
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: pcnappeal on June 03, 2025, 02:13:54 am
I thought the email metadata is what's inside the marked red circle in the attached image? Or am I wrong in thinking that?

I did redact the message id of the sender and receiver assuming it was sensitive information but can send it over unredacted if needed.

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Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: b789 on June 03, 2025, 01:40:33 am
I see no evidence of any email metadata in the file you have linked.
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: pcnappeal on June 03, 2025, 01:31:54 am
Helloo,

The following is the timeline of events so far

28 Jan 2025 - Date of alleged breach and driver liability
04 Feb 2025 - Parking Charge Notice received
08 Feb 2025 - Response(appeal) from keeper
22 Mar 2025 - Notice to Keeper received
23 Mar 2025 - Complaint raised with BPA (PPS website was not accessible)
28 Apr 2025 - Emailed BPA asking for an update on complaint
06 May 2025 - Emailed BPA asking for an update on complaint
12 May 2025 - BPA response received (to ask PPS for a copy of their appeal response)
18 May 2025 - Complaint raised with PPS requesting copy of appeal response
19 May 2025 - Received email from PPS along with appeal response and original email they claim to have sent on 14 Feb 2025
19 May 2025 - Responded to PPS requesting them email headers of email they claim to have sent on 14 Feb 2025
23 May 2025 - Received email from PPS along with email headers of email they claim to have sent on 14 Feb 2025

I have attached a copy of the email header information PPS have sent across.

I presume advice to wait and come back when I receive a Letter of Claim (LoC) still holds so I'll drop a message when I receive it.

As always, thanks a ton for the support  :)

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Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: b789 on May 20, 2025, 03:06:51 pm
This will never see a court room. The location is a well known scam site. I can guarantee that should this ever reach a Witness Statement stage, they will provide a doctored Google Maps plan where they have swapped the names of Holloway Street and Matisse Road.
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: H C Andersen on May 20, 2025, 10:03:15 am
Whether PPS could convince a court that their response was sent as claimed when set against the standard of balance of probabilities would be a matter for the court which would not, IMO, simply accept the binary options of show us your metadata (whatever this might be). In any event, the ONLY notice which carried the title Notice to Keeper was sent out of time as regards PoFA, therefore PPS may not exercise the 'Right to claim unpaid parking charges from keeper of vehicle'.

OP, whether they carried on or not is their choice. Yours are dissuasion tactics.

While you're waiting for a response, pl put together a simple timeline of events and notices/correspondence highlighting their names or content succinctly.

*** - Date of alleged breach and driver liability
***   Parking Charge Notice (an undefined term) purporting to be a Notice to Keeper;
*** - Response(appeal) from keeper;
*** - A notice headed 'Notice to Keeper'(a defined legal term);
*** - Notification that reply to response from keeper sent by email on **. Copy enclosed;

Fill in the gaps and add anything further which is relevant.
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: pcnappeal on May 19, 2025, 04:16:33 pm
Makes sense. I'll get that sent to PPS right away.

Cannot thank you all enough for your help and support to me and others in this forum. #superstars

Many thanks,
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: b789 on May 19, 2025, 03:58:32 pm
Don't worry. The point being made by H C Andersen is probably correct but as you have pointed out, far too difficult for mere mortals to decipher.

The point is that you never received a response to your initial appeal with a POPLA code that you could then use for a secondary appeal. They are claiming that they did send it to you and have produced a copy of an email that supposedly was sent.

What you need to do is put them to strict proof that the email was in fact sent by providing a copy of the metadata from the header of the sent email. That metadata will confirm whether the it was in fact sent and that your email servers acknowledged receipt.

However, all this is not going to stop the inevitable Letter of Claim (LoC) and subsequent N1SDT Claim Form arriving from the CNBC. To be honest, I am not going to hold any hope that the BPA will actually do anything about this and POPLA would most likely not have helped either.

For now, I advise that you can respond to PPS and put them to strict prof that they actually sent the appeal response email by evidencing the metadata from their sent email header. Tell them, that should they try and litigate this matter, any failure to provide the requested evidence will be used against them.

Apart from that, continue to ignore any and all debt recovery letters and come back when you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC), most likely from DCB Legal. You can rest assured that if you continue to follow the advice, you won't be paying a penny to these scammers.
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: pcnappeal on May 19, 2025, 03:25:37 pm
Thanks for your reply @H C Andersen.

To be entirely honest most of that went above my head as my knowledge about these things are close to nil so I just follow advice on what to do from this forum :)

Am I right in assuming what you've said is more for other experts on the forum to use while responding or is there something I should do.

Many thanks,
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: H C Andersen on May 19, 2025, 02:13:55 pm
For rear of upsetting my fellow posters, my suggestion raises yet again a fundamental issue: nowhere in legislation or the Code of Practice does PCN or Parking Charge Notice appear.

I've just received a response from PPS to the complaint I raised. In their email, they claim to have sent me a response to my initial appeal back in Feb 2025

IMO, always, always, always use their evidence against them where possible rather than assert something of your own.

Back to the procedural timeline as I understand it:

PPS issued a 'Parking Charge Notice' dated 28 January. Setting aside for one moment that neither the Code of Practice nor PoFA recognise a Parking Charge Notice as a legal entity(these being Notice to Driver and Notice to Keeper), it is clear from its form(which in the main attempts to comply with the conditions set out in para. 4 of the Schedule to the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012) and that the keeper's details have been obtained ONLY pursuant to the creditor's undertaking to DVLA that these would be used for permitted and statutory purposes, namely to issue a Notice to Keeper, that the creditor intended that the recipient treat the notice as a Notice to Keeper;

On receipt of a challenge from the addressee, PPS assert that they issued a rejection on 14 Feb. which gave the addressee the option to pay or appeal to POPLA and which also circumscribed the creditor's scope for future action (by virtue of the Code of Practice) to responding to any appeal to POPLA or pursuing the keeper after the stated period for doing so had elapsed;

And yet, despite their actions being limited in this way, the creditor issued a FURTHER Notice to Keeper on 17 March, that is to say outwith the Code of Practice. 

Not only is this a flagrant breach of the Code of Practice e.g. 2  Notices to Keeper for the same event, the latter, extra procedural, notice purports to rely upon the provisions of PoFA  NONE of which could apply because, taken at face value, it was served out of time(amongst its many other irregularities).



I would focus my attention on this issue.
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: pcnappeal on May 19, 2025, 12:11:31 pm
Hello,

I've just received a response from PPS to the complaint I raised. In their email, they claim to have sent me a response to my initial appeal back in Feb 2025 but I can swear I did not receive that email. This time they have replied on that original thread and it has come through fine. I'm not sure how I can obtain evidence of not receiving their initial email.

Should I ask PPS to provide a screenshot of the original email in "Sent" state instead of just forwarding the original response which technically doesn't prove they actually sent it and can be doctored very very easily (not claiming they did though)?

I have attached the email and the original appeal response which they have sent across.

Many thanks

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Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: pcnappeal on May 16, 2025, 08:46:05 pm
Ah yes, got it. I wanted to run the complaint format by this forum before sending it to PPS. I hadn't actually sent it yet.

I'll send that over to PPS now.

Many thanks again :)
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: b789 on May 16, 2025, 08:42:21 pm
If they don't respond to the letter you asked about in this post:

https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/pps-pcn-for-stopping(not-parking)-on-the-road-(not-bay)-hounslow-holloway-street/msg71401/#msg71401

Then you get back to the BPA.
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: pcnappeal on May 16, 2025, 08:32:19 pm
Thank you.

To clarify, you mean explain to BPA that the operator failed to respond to my initial appeal? If yes, I did already tell BPA that the operator didn't respond and BPA have asked me to get in touch with PPS to get the response to the appeal, hence my previous question about the complaint to PPS. I haven't contacted the operator since I raised a complaint with the BPA
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: b789 on May 16, 2025, 08:21:04 pm
Go back to the BPA and explain to the that the operator has failed to respond.
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: pcnappeal on May 16, 2025, 07:54:40 pm
Hello,

Gentle reminder for this please :)

Many thanks
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: pcnappeal on May 14, 2025, 12:04:55 am
Hi again,

I have finally received a response from BPA. It basically asks me to get in touch with PPS to obtain a copy of the appeal response and go through their complaints process. I presume this is the next step? If yes, does the following email to PPS look ok?

Many thanks

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Subject: Formal Complaint and Request for Copy of Appeal Response – PCN [PCN Number]

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to formally request a copy of the response to the appeal I submitted regarding Parking Charge Notice [PCN Number], originally issued on 28 January 2025.

I submitted my appeal by email to appeals@privateparkingsolutions.co.uk on 8 February 2025, using the form and instructions provided on your website at the time. To date, I have received no acknowledgment or response to this appeal.

I have since contacted the British Parking Association (BPA), who have advised me to reach out to your company directly to obtain a copy of your appeal response. Given that I received a Notice to Keeper dated 22 March 2025, increasing the charge to £100, without any resolution of my original appeal, this situation is both unreasonable and non-compliant with the standards expected of a BPA-approved operator.

In addition, at the time I received the second notice, your website was not functioning, making it impossible for me to follow up or contact you electronically. Although the site has since returned to service, this disruption further hindered my ability to engage with your appeals process in a timely and fair manner.

I also note that the evidence provided in the PCN clearly shows the vehicle was not parked but merely stopped for a very brief period (approximately 3 minutes) with the engine running, on a public road adjacent to private land. This casts serious doubt on the validity of the charge itself.

I therefore request the following:

1. A full copy of your response to my appeal, if one was ever issued.

2. If no response was sent, a full explanation for this failure, along with a full and immediate response to the appeal I submitted on 8 February.

3. Confirmation that the charge has been frozen pending proper review of my appeal.

4. A full investigation into your handling of this matter, and your failure to meet your obligations under the BPA Code of Practice.

Please treat this as a formal complaint under your internal complaints procedure. If I do not receive a satisfactory response within 14 days, I will escalate the matter further through the BPA and other relevant bodies.

I have attached the original PCN, my appeal submission, and other relevant documentation for your reference.

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Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: DWMB2 on May 06, 2025, 11:20:54 pm
You can safely ignore any debt recovery letters. Shred them and use the result as hamster bedding for all anyone cares.
This advice remains true.
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: pcnappeal on May 06, 2025, 09:09:59 pm
Hello again,

I've received the first letter from debt recovery today. I nudged the BPA for a response 8 days ago but I still haven't heard back from them. Not quite sure how to progress this :-\

I've attached the debt recovery letter.

Thanks,

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Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: b789 on April 23, 2025, 03:38:46 pm
Nobody gives a crap about "debt collection". So what? Debt collectors are powerless to do anything except try and scare the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree into paying out of ignorance and fear. You can safely ignore any debt recovery letters. Shred them and use the result as hamster bedding for all anyone cares.

If you have a complaint with the BPA and it has been acknowledged, go to their website and look at their complaints policy and if it says they are required to respond within a set time, send them a prompt.
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: pcnappeal on April 23, 2025, 03:31:11 pm
Hi,

I still don't have a response from BPA. Their website says they should respond within 28 days. I can confirm the complaint is logged with them as their website shows it is currently in Open-Logged status. Any advice on what to do next much appreciated. I've attached a screenshot of the complaint status on BPA's website. I have a feeling PPS might have already passed this on to debt collection :(

Thanks

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Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: pcnappeal on April 08, 2025, 04:03:48 pm
Nope, I didn't. Never occurred to me to do that to be honest. I've always thought if someone requires an appeal to be sent via email to them, they are guaranteed to also know which email address that email was sent from and that is the email they would use to send the acknowledgement and response. One for next time to remember to do I suppose.

True, you're right. The charge was always for £100 and discounted if paid early.

Cool, I'll hold off on raising a complaint to PPS until I hear from BPA then.

Thanks
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: b789 on April 08, 2025, 03:49:42 pm

4 Feb 2025  - received a PCN from PPS in the post for £60. The PCN states it was issued on 28th January for an alleged Parking in a No Parking zone.
8 Feb 2025  - appealed the PCN with PPS via email
              Didnt receive any sort of acknowledgement or response to my appeal
22 Mar 2025 - Received a Notice to Keeper stating the parking charge was overdue and was now £100
              PPS's website was not working and I was unable to contact them in any electronic way
23 Mar 2025 - I raised a complaint with the BPA about the situation and the fact that PPS were not reachable
              Currently awaiting BPA's response

When you emailed your initial appeal, did you CC in yourself so that you receive a copy of the email showing the email address to PPS?

The PCN was never for £60. It was always for £100 but offered a "mugs discount" of 40% if you paid it early and saved them the bother of having to deal with an appeal.

Just wait for a response from the BPA.
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: pcnappeal on April 08, 2025, 03:24:42 pm
Thanks @Charitynjw and @b789

This is the timeline so far. Does the following look ok for a complaint to PPS or is there a template you'd have I could use please?

4 Feb 2025  - received a PCN from PPS in the post for £60. The PCN states it was issued on 28th January for an alleged Parking in a No Parking zone.
8 Feb 2025  - appealed the PCN with PPS via email
              Didnt receive any sort of acknowledgement or response to my appeal
22 Mar 2025 - Received a Notice to Keeper stating the parking charge was overdue and was now £100
              PPS's website was not working and I was unable to contact them in any electronic way
23 Mar 2025 - I raised a complaint with the BPA about the situation and the fact that PPS were not reachable
              Currently awaiting BPA's response

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Subject: Formal Complaint Regarding PCN [Insert PCN Reference Number]

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to raise a formal complaint regarding the handling of Parking Charge Notice [Insert PCN Number], issued by Private Parking Solutions Ltd (PPS).

Timeline of Events:

    4 February 2025: I received a PCN from PPS, alleging that a vehicle registered to me was parked in a no parking zone on 28 January 2025. For clarity, the vehicle was never parked. It was momentarily stopped on a public road adjacent to private land, before turning around and departing. It was not on private land or within any designated parking bay as claimed in your notice.

    Furthermore, I have reviewed the photographic evidence provided with the PCN. All images show the vehicle with its engine running, and all photos were taken within a timespan of approximately three minutes. This clearly demonstrates that the vehicle was not parked, but temporarily stationary.

    8 February 2025: I submitted an appeal in accordance with the instructions on your website at the time, using the prescribed PDF form and emailing it to appeals@privateparkingsolutions.co.uk. Despite this, I received no acknowledgment or response to my appeal.

    22 March 2025: I received a Notice to Keeper stating the charge had increased to £100, despite my appeal remaining unanswered. At this time, your website was also non-functional, preventing me from following up or accessing any further information regarding my case.

While I note that your website has since returned to service, it was inaccessible at a critical time when I sought to engage with your appeals process and resolve this matter.

Your failure to acknowledge or respond to my appeal, issue a timely reply, and maintain accessible communication channels constitutes a breach of your obligations under the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice. These failings have left me unable to properly challenge this PCN, through no fault of my own.

I now request the following actions without delay:

    1. A full written response to my original appeal, addressing all points raised and including a full review of the evidence.

    2. Immediate confirmation that the charge is frozen until my appeal is properly processed and concluded.

    3. An explanation for the lack of acknowledgment and your failure to respond to my original appeal.

    4. Clarification as to why your website and communication channels were unavailable at a critical stage in this process.

    5. A full investigation into the mishandling of my case, along with appropriate remedial action.

Please treat this as a formal complaint under your complaints procedure. If I do not receive a satisfactory response within the timescales set out by the BPA Code of Practice, I will escalate this matter to the BPA, my local MP, and other appropriate consumer protection authorities.

I expect prompt and proper resolution of this matter.

Yours faithfully,
[Your Full Name]
[Your Address]
[Your Contact Information]
[Your Vehicle Registration Number] (if applicable)
[PCN Number]
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: Charitynjw on April 08, 2025, 01:36:44 pm
From PPS website

6. Complaints Procedure

Complaints should be sent directly to info@privateparkingsolutions.co.uk or write to us at PRIVATE PARKING SOLUTIONS (LONDON) LTD, Correspondence Address: PO Box 1115, West Drayton UB8 9XD.

There are three stages to the complaint’s procedure:
• Stage One – The Complaint/Investigation
• Stage Two – Further Investigation (if not resolved in Stage One)
• Stage Three – External Escalation Process

Etc
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: b789 on April 08, 2025, 01:22:36 pm
Stick a formal complaint in to PPS anyway.
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: Charitynjw on April 08, 2025, 01:13:44 pm
Firstly, the new version of the single CoP didn't officially kick in until 17th of Feb this year, but it would be rather nit-picky of PPS to use that to your detriment.
I gather from the above posts that you've submitted an appeal to PPS but as yet not heard anything from them.
Have you emailed them per their instruction (in the above posts)?
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: pcnappeal on April 08, 2025, 12:23:50 pm
Thanks @Charitynjw. Yes, the driver never parked the vehicle there but merely stopped for a very short period. All of the pictures provided of the vehicle show the vehicle was still turned on and are within a timespan of 3mins.

I was waiting for advice if I should raise a complaint with PPS now that their website works again or wait for BPA's response before taking any further action.
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: Charitynjw on April 08, 2025, 05:46:35 am
New single Code of Practice Annex F1 exemption (Ie no charge)

g) a vehicle paused on a private road network simply because the driver needs to check
directions e.g. on an industrial estate where the driver has a legitimate need to access
premises within that estate.


https://www.britishparking.co.uk/write/Documents/AOS/Sector%20Code%20Templates/sectorsingleCodeofPracticeVersion1.1130225.pdf (https://www.britishparking.co.uk/write/Documents/AOS/Sector%20Code%20Templates/sectorsingleCodeofPracticeVersion1.1130225.pdf)
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: pcnappeal on April 07, 2025, 02:42:44 pm
Hi,

I found this on their website
https://www.britishparking.co.uk/write/Documents/BPA/BPA_Complaints_Policy_and_Procedure.pdf

According to that the BPA should've acknowledged my complaint within 5 days but I didn't receive any. Although I can see on their tracking website that my complaint is lodged with them and it's in Open status. The link also states they will respond within 28 days so a bit of time left still.

The BPA also state that a complaint should first be raised with the parking operator so was wondering now that PPS's website is working again if I should raise a complaint with them?

Thanks
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: b789 on April 07, 2025, 02:20:03 pm
What does the BPA website say about their response time for a complaint? If you can't find out, contact them and ask.
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: pcnappeal on April 07, 2025, 11:56:50 am
Hello,

As an update, my case with the BPA is still in Open-Logged status. Its been open for 15 days now. I couldn't find a way to ring them to get the status. Should I just wait for their response or do something to get in contact with them?

Also, PPS's old website magically seems to be working again. I thought I'll try ringing them to see if they answered and they did. Only providing the PCN reference I told I never received the rejection and asked for evidence of the appeal rejection being sent but was told they wouldn't discuss it further and asked me to email info@privateparkingsolutions.co.uk requesting the rejection letter. When asked if that would include evidence of them responding to me on the date they claim(14th Feb 2025), they said they wouldnt discuss anything further. They mentioned they could give me the option of paying the reduced £60 if I wanted to because "You say you didn't receive the rejection letter" and that it is currently very close to being passed on to debt collectors. The reason for the rejection given was "The vehicle was parked in a no parking zone".

Any advice on further steps greatly appreciated.

Many thanks
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: pcnappeal on March 23, 2025, 04:08:58 pm
Thank you so much.

Really appreciate your help and effort.

BPA now have an online form to fill for complaints so I've done that with all the above information.
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: b789 on March 23, 2025, 02:16:24 pm
Use this as your formal complaint to the BPA:

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Subject: Formal Complaint – Private Parking Solutions Ltd (PPS) – Failure to Respond to Appeal and Inaccessibility of Website and Complaints Procedure

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to raise a formal complaint against your approved operator member, Private Parking Solutions Ltd (PPS).

I received a Notice to Keeper from PPS dated 28 January 2025, requesting payment of £60. In accordance with the instructions provided on their website at the time (https://www.privateparkingsolutions.com/), I downloaded their PDF appeals form and submitted a completed copy by email to appeals@privateparkingsolutions.co.uk on 8 February 2025.

Since submitting my appeal, I have not received any communication whatsoever from PPS regarding a rejection or outcome. The only correspondence I have received from them to date are the two Notices to Keeper, the second of which now demands £100.

PPS has not acknowledged my appeal, and I have been given no opportunity to escalate the matter internally through a complaints process. Their website has now been entirely inaccessible for at least 48 hours, and the link listed in the BPA’s own public register of operators for their complaints procedure is currently non-functional.

This renders it impossible for any motorist to submit or exhaust a formal complaint, contrary to the standards set out in the Private Parking Single Code of Practice, which mandates that members must have an accessible and responsive complaints procedure. It is fundamentally unfair and unreasonable for a BPA member to be uncontactable, especially where the failure lies with their systems, not the motorist.

Further, while I have recently become aware of a separate website (https://ppsappeals.co.uk), PPS's original website — which was working at the time of my appeal — made no reference to this portal. I followed the only process made available to me at the time. Even now, searching Google for "Private Parking Solutions PCN appeal" does not return this appeals portal; instead, it leads only to their non-functioning website.

For reference, I provide archived copies of their website as it appeared at the time I submitted my appeal:

• Homepage (as of 12 December 2024): https://web.archive.org/web/20241212162014/http://privateparkingsolutions.com/index.html
• Appeals Page (as of 14 August 2024): https://web.archive.org/web/20240814144752/http://privateparkingsolutions.com/appeal.html

The archived appeals page clearly instructs motorists to download the appeal form and submit it via email or post, which I did in good faith.

Given the above, I respectfully but firmly request that the BPA:

• Takes immediate action to instruct PPS to respond to my appeal without further delay;
• Freezes the charge amount pending resolution of the outstanding appeal;
• Investigates PPS's apparent breach of the Code of Practice in failing to maintain working communications and a functioning complaints procedure;
• Ensures that PPS's listed contact methods on the BPA register are accurate and operational.

This situation is wholly unsatisfactory and a source of considerable frustration. PPS’s continued non-responsiveness and inaccessibility places the motorist at an unfair disadvantage. I expect the BPA to uphold its duty of oversight in this matter.

I have attached:

• Both Notices to Keeper received;
• My email containing the completed appeal;
• Screenshots of the non-functional website and the PPS appeals portal;
• Screenshots of search results showing no visible access to the portal;
• Archived links evidencing the original website’s content.

I look forward to your prompt response and action.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Full Name]
[Your Address]
[Your Contact Details]
[Vehicle Registration Number]
[PCN Reference Number]

Upo may want to copy in your MP and have them put pressure on the useless BPA to get their house in order.
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: pcnappeal on March 23, 2025, 12:44:17 pm
I have not had any communication from PPS regarding the rejection of the appeal. The only communications I'd had from them are the 2 NtKs.

The second image is a screenshot of their appeals portal (https://ppsappeals.co.uk). Previously, their website(which doesn't work now) did not mention anything about this portal and instructed appeals to be made by filling out a PDF and posting or emailing which I did. Even typing "private parking solutions pcn appeal" into Google does not bring up this portal. It only gives links of the non-working website.

There is a web archive of websites which you can use to see what a website used to look when it was working. I've attached links to their homepage and the appeals page. This is what I saw back in Feb when I appealed and their website was working.

Homepage - https://web.archive.org/web/20241212162014/http://privateparkingsolutions.com/index.html
Appeals page - https://web.archive.org/web/20240814144752/http://privateparkingsolutions.com/appeal.html

Regarding the complaint to BPA, does the following content look ok?
"""
Hi,

I received the first Notice to Keeper from Private Parking Solutions Ltd(PPS) which was issued on 28th Jan 2025 demanding a discounted charge of £60. I went to their website(https://www.privateparkingsolutions.com/) and followed their instructions to appeal the PCN which asked me to download an Appeals form PDF, fill it and send it to them via post or email. I sent the filled appeals form on 8th Feb 2025 to the email stated on their website at the time (appeals@privateparkingsolutions.co.uk)

Since then, I have not had any response to my appeal, nor have I had any communication from PPS.

I recently received another Notice to Keeper from PPS stating the charge is now £100.

I tried accessing their website but it currently does not work. The link to PPS's own complaints procedure doesn't work either as their entire website doesn't work. I have not been able to contact PPS by any electronic means, hence I demand that PPS respond to my appeal, my complaint and fix their website immediately.

Link to PPS website - https://www.privateparkingsolutions.com/

I have attached the Notice to Keepers, my appeal email and screenshots of their website not working.

"""
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: b789 on March 23, 2025, 10:25:26 am
That second image says your appeal has been rejected and gives you an “Independent Appeal Code”. I’m assuming hat that is a POPLA code which is valid for 33 days from the appeal rejection date. Is that image a screenshot or is it something that was received by email?

The problem now is that PPSs website has been down for at least 24 hours now. I suggest an immediate complaint to the BPA informing them that you have not had a response to your formal complaint or appeal to PPS and that their website is not working. Try and access their website and get a screenshot of the error code.

Complain tot the BPA that the link on their own website to the PPS complaints procedure does not work either. As PPS are uncontactable by any electronic means, demand that they get their member to respond to the appeal, complaint and get their website sorted.
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: pcnappeal on March 23, 2025, 01:12:08 am
I haven't got one. I haven't received any email or post regarding my appeal. The date I sent PPS the email with the appeal form was Feb 8th.
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: b789 on March 23, 2025, 12:27:02 am
What was the date of your appeal rejection?
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: pcnappeal on March 22, 2025, 11:00:26 pm
Hello again

I've been waiting to get a response on my appeal with PPS but interestingly I today received another Notice to Keeper stating my parking charge is now overdue and that I now have to pay £100. It looks like they have changed the instructions on how to appeal now. It used to be via post or email previously on their website(which weirdly doesnt work currently). I went onto their current appeals portal and that says "This PCN has already been appealed" and gives me an Independent appeals code.

I have checked my emails including spam and I haven't received a response from PPS for my appeal. Any advice on next steps would be great. Should I contact them via email or call and let them know whats happening?

Many thanks,

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Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: pcnappeal on February 08, 2025, 03:23:13 pm
Thanks a ton.

I'll get that sent to them and update when I get a response.
Title: Re: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: b789 on February 08, 2025, 10:26:50 am
Not to worry. You are just one of literally thousands who have been suckered into this well know scam at this location. If you follow the advice, you won't be paying a penny to PPS.

There are several things wrong with the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) that has been issued as a postal Notice to Keeper (NtK). The first one is that it is not fully compliant with all the requirements of PoFA to be able to hold the Keeper liable for the charge. PPS have absolutely no idea who the driver is unless the Keeper blabs it to them, inadvertently or otherwise.

The Keeper and the driver are two separate legal entities and there is no legal obligation on the Keeper to identify the driver. They are not allowed to assume or infer that the Keeper is also the driver. As the Keeper, you should always refer to the driver in the third person. No "I did this or that". Only "The driver did this or that". So, don't tell 'em your name Pike!

Also, the location is NOT Holloway Street but Mattise Road. I have seen PPS provide doctored maps to POPLA to try and con them about this issue.

For now, as PPS will reject any initial appeal, just send the following and wait for the rejection and the POPLA code.

Easy one to deal with… as long as the unknown drivers identity is not revealed. There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.

The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known keeper.

Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove anything from it:

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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. PPS has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. PPS have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
Title: PPS PCN - for stopping(not parking) on the road (not bay) - Hounslow Holloway Street
Post by: pcnappeal on February 07, 2025, 10:44:29 pm
Hi,

Firstly, thanks for all the help and advice people provide on this forum. Much appreciated.

I, the registered keeper, received a PCN from PPS in the post on 4th Feb. The PCN states it was issued on 28th January.

The vehicle was never actually parked but was merely stopped on the road for a few mins before turning around and heading off. Also, it was never on private land or a parking bay as claimed in the PCN, just adjacent to it on public road. As seen in the pictures in the PCN, the brake lights of the vehicle are lit indicating the vehicle was never parked but just stopped. The driver needed directions to go to a place, so stopped, asked for directions and left.

The quality of the pictures in the PCN are also terrible and does not show the vehicle in a bay or private land.

Any advice as to how to proceed with an appeal would be great.

Google Street view link - https://maps.app.goo.gl/aaV6bHkKNJLrW4j99

Many thanks,

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