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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: norbertg on February 06, 2025, 01:30:07 pm
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I have a similar issue at the same spot (although my car started a bit further ahead than yours) and was referred to this link. I just want to point out that in their rejection letter to you they have included a picture of the no entry signs at Redcross Way NOT the new Union Street no entry signs - the picture is totally irrelevant. But then they couldn't spot the difference between your car and the other that went ahead. They don't know what they're doing, yours is a black and white claim and a ticket should never have been issued. I park in that bay all the time (you parked directly behind my VW), how many tickets am I going to get in future? Best of luck with the claim!
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Costs application filed.
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Not in my son's car!
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... If only I had locus standi to appear at The Strand. >:(
Well, you could always reverse park into that space.
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I would make a complaint about this one. It was bad enough issuing a nonsensical PCN but not looking at it properly at reps stage is not on.
I have been and am on it re their website. We'll start with a costs application. If only I had locus standi to appear at The Strand. >:(
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I would make a complaint about this one. It was bad enough issuing a nonsensical PCN but not looking at it properly at reps stage is not on.
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I am sure with this push back council's will stop taking the **** one day.
Don't hold your breath waiting ! The biggest problem in the whole shebang of PCNs and their enforcement is that 95% of people just cough-up when they get the PCN. So councils can stand a few cases going against them, as the money just keeps rolling in, and in, and in.
https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/attention-all-recipients-of-pcns-from-lambeth-lewisham-andor-southwark-proposed-/
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I am sure with this push back council's will stop taking the **** one day.
Don't hold your breath waiting ! The biggest problem in the whole shebang of PCNs and their enforcement is that 95% of people just cough-up when they get the PCN. So councils can stand a few cases going against them, as the money just keeps rolling in, and in, and in.
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I would like to respond and thank Philip.
He has offered his help to represent me. He voluntarily jumped on a lot of calls with me and had taken care of the legal side of going to Tribunal.
They must've noticed his name on the case just got scared, so they cancelled it :D.
This was definitely stressful to go through for me and I am glad there are people who have our, common people's back.
I am sure with this push back council's will stop taking the **** one day.
Thank you again.
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DNCed. ;D Maybe because of this one: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FpFFE3G_T71WAuqQFImq4sZNJ97Jqcwt/view
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/southwark-failing-to-comply-with-a-prohibition-of-certain-types-of-vehicle/msg66338/#msg66338
I hope an application for costs is agreed. ;D
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Appeal to be filed shortly.
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The amount outstanding on the Penalty Charge Notice will increase to £130.00 on Thu, 13 Mar 2025. Please pay £65.00 now.
You have already made representations for this PCN and we replied on Wed, 19 Feb 2025. You cannot make representations twice
Please screenshot this. The underlined dates are wrong.
cf. Lambeth re same issue so far:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/11-zn49BD8w6i6FjchByUjkdx69TUFI1o/view
Indeed, this council is one of three with the same issue.
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The focus on the other car suggests the operator thinks the no entry is facing the other way...
The correct contravention should a vehicle be coming in the other direction is 'Failing to drive in the direction shown by the arrow on a blue sign' as that's the sign that in that part of the road, not a no entry sign.
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thanks for all the help guys
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@norbertg I will drop you a PM now.
Do I just produce same reasoning to the court, because the judge will be of more sound mind or do I actually need a solicitor now?
No as I have just offered for free. ;D I have 3 pending with them on the issue of the PCN.
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Also, is it better to attend in person or it doesn't really matter?
Personal - never, ever, a decision on papers.
BUT personal hearings are now taking place by 'phone or by video link.
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Register the appeal and ask for either a telephone or personal hearing. You don't have to upload anything yet but if it is contested I'd do a sketch for the adjudicator showing the layout there - the no entry road legend is for traffic coming out of the side roads just ahead and in any case there is not a no entry sign as of the Google Maps view and even if there was you wouldn't have gone back past it when parking.
Bonkers.
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This is such a hassle. They should be mandated to pay out compensations. I'm not being greedy, but maybe that'd stop them.
Also, is it better to attend in person or it doesn't really matter?
I will try to catch every gotcha and document it.
Any tricks? Dos? Don'ts?
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They've gone bonkers. Neither of the cars in the video did anything wrong as you were both going in the right direction along a one-way street. All you did was park.
You need to register an appeal with the tribunal. I'll be surprised if Southwark contests this when they look at it properly.
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Hi All,
Sorry, I just noticed the last comments.
So, they did reject it. I got upset but yes, I took your advice and stepped back. I was actually expecting this to happen. But their reasoning is stupid.
This stresses me out and causes a lot of inconvenience. Do they eventually get penalised for this?
Do I just produce same reasoning to the court, because the judge will be of more sound mind or do I actually need a solicitor now?
Also, that car in the photographs isn't mine. Mine is only in the video. Clearly no roof rack. I mean how blind do you have to be?
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Please hold fire: the PCN is invalid as it incorrectly states when they may serve a charge certificate. End of. Case pending at the Tribunal.
Well that's good but there is no contravention. No need to use that unless they act stupid.
I meant to say use both. They have already conducted themselves as you state in the live case by saying all is OK with their document. More for the ultimate story which will ensue, The Daily Telegraph, as per the bus lane saga some months ago. Further, this will increase the possibility of a costs application.
PM sent to OP re using both before this interchange.
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Please hold fire: the PCN is invalid as it incorrectly states when they may serve a charge certificate. End of. Case pending at the Tribunal.
Well that's good but there is no contravention. No need to use that unless they act stupid.
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Please hold fire: the PCN is invalid as it incorrectly states when they may serve a charge certificate. End of. Case pending at the Tribunal.
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Don't be upset if they reject your reps.London councils reject almost all reps because they know that >95% of people then just cough up. Paying the discount makes it all go away, but enriches the councils. We call it joining the Mugged Club.
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That is a good point to mention the lack sign.
Thank you so much!
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Think all you need to say is below but wait for others.
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Dear Southwark,
The contravention did not occur. I did not reverse park past a no entry sign. There is not a no entry sign by that parking place. Please check your video.
I look forward to your early confirmation of cancellation.
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That is what I thought.
Thank you so much for sanity checking.
Sorry, another silly question. Do I need to spend on a very formal and legally correct response or I just highlight the fact they hadn't checked it and they should cancel it?
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This looks like nonsense - it's a one way street and all you did as you say was park and there is no no-entry sign you passed going back.
(https://i.imgur.com/fEqDdRf.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/vNFncMd.png)
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5038512,-0.0941994,3a,75y,91.06h,78.72t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1suEpctB-Nf156lIDVUnf1Mg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D11.28021325389173%26panoid%3DuEpctB-Nf156lIDVUnf1Mg%26yaw%3D91.0603649518452!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIwMy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
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Thanks for your response.
Please find the PCN page attached.
It's not even my car in the pic.
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Post the front page of the PCN blanking only your name and address.
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Hi everyone,
I think I might finally have a ticket that is an easy win, but I need to sanity check.
I was driving on Union Street in Southwark and I was driving from Southwark Bridge Road towards Borough High Street, so I was going in the right direction. However, I stopped and I did a parallel park which included reversing into a parking spot. I got a ticket that I drove into NO ENTRY.
I just reversed, so the camera just activated, since theoretically I was moving in the wrong direction.
Here is the link: https://pcnevidence.southwarkparking.co.uk/pcnonline/liberatorImageProxyRaw.php?noderef=workspace%3A%2F%2FSpacesStore%2F929498bb-c18f-414e-9573-9debd1155e29&mimetype=video%2Fmp4
My car is only in the video. The actual pictures of a completely different car just driving in front of me.
There should not be a ticket, right? I mean it's very obvious to me that there shouldn't.
Are tickets not verified by a human before posting?