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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: JMCDJ on September 07, 2023, 03:36:23 pm

Title: Re: PCN for yellow box junction
Post by: cp8759 on September 10, 2023, 10:46:34 pm
We obviously can't check the accuracy of what you say (but you could check by calling DVLA and asking them to confirm the registered address), but based on what you've said here's a draft:

Dear Royal Borough of Greenwich,

I challenge liability for PCN GR22038057 on the basis that the alleged contravention did not occur. The image at (link) clearly shows that the box junction markings extend well beyond the confined of the junction. While I accept that the requirements for box junction markings were significantly relaxed by the Traffic Signs Regulations 2016, the requirement for the markings to be at a junction (or other authorised location) has never been removed.

Furthermore, the PCN has not been properly served. Section 7 of the Interpretation Act 1978 provides that:

Where an Act authorises or requires any document to be served by post (whether the expression “serve” or the expression “give” or “send” or any other expression is used) then, unless the contrary intention appears, the service is deemed to be effected by properly addressing, pre-paying and posting a letter containing the document and, unless the contrary is proved, to have been effected at the time at which the letter would be delivered in the ordinary course of post.

The words "properly addressing" imply that the address must be the best or last known address for the recipient, rather than any address where the recipient might have been in the past. While this is a motability vehicle, I have checked motability and they have confirmed the vehicle is registered at my current address, however you purported to effect service of the PCN at an address which I have not lived at since June 2022.

Because the PCN was not properly addressed it was not served. You should of course know that the concepts of service and receipt are quite distinct from one another, see for instance the judgment of the Supreme Court in Barton v Wright Hassall [2018] UKSC 12 or the more recent High Court decision in Karanja, R (On the Application Of) v University of the West of Scotland [2022] EWHC 1520 (Admin): in both those cases the claim form was in fact received by the relevant party but service was held to be ineffective because it had not been effected in accordance with the applicable rules.

The fact that service and receipt are not the same for the purposes of the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003 is confirmed by paragraph 7(2)(a) of Schedule 1, where the words used ("did not receive the penalty charge notice in question") make it clear that a document might be served but not received. There is no reason in principle why the opposite cannot also be true, and a document might be received but not served, as the aforementioned court cases indicate.

Given the severe consequences for a party to whom a PCN is issued but from whom no response is received, it is clear that a PCN has the same effect as originating process has in the civil courts, and that receipt of a document (which in this case was purely fortuitous due to the fact that I still have a mail redirection service in place) does not necessarily mean that the document has been legally served.

As the PCN has not been served either properly or at all, the authority has materially departed from the requirements of the statutory scheme, as a result of which the penalty charge must be cancelled.

Yours faithfully,


Put the representation in a PDF document in order to preserve indentation and italics formatting, you can then upload it to the council website as an attachment and just write "please see attached PDF" when asked for your reasons for challenging the PCN.

I'll send you a private message with the link to use where I've put (link) above. It will redirect to https://goo.gl/maps/vifcAjcZk1ebNUS1A but the reason for using the one I'm sending you is that if they don't click on it, the click count will be zero. This can then prove that they've failed to properly consider the representations (they can't consider them if they don't look at the evidence), and that alone can win an appeal at the tribunal.

For that reason, do not click on the link yourself as we need the click count to remain at zero.
Title: Re: PCN for yellow box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on September 10, 2023, 08:09:05 am
That works.
Title: Re: PCN for yellow box junction
Post by: MrChips on September 10, 2023, 07:34:28 am
Try LV23OEJ
Title: Re: PCN for yellow box junction
Post by: cp8759 on September 09, 2023, 10:29:14 pm
Can you please re-confirm the PCN number and VRM?

I've tried LX23 OEJ / GR22038057 on https://pcn.royalgreenwich.gov.uk/ but it doesn't work?
Title: PCN for yellow box junction
Post by: JMCDJ on September 07, 2023, 03:36:23 pm
Hello there, I'm hoping someone can help.

I received a Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) from my local council for driving into a yellow box junction in my Motability vehicle.

The weird thing was, the address the PCN was sent to is my old address. Thankfully, I have my mail on redirect, but I haven't lived at that address since June 2022.

Does this make the PCN invalid if it is sent to the incorrect address?

I've checked with Motability who take care of all the vehicle registration details and they've confirmed the V5 is registered at my current address and not the one on the PCN. I'm also on the electoral register at my new address.

Also, for what it's worth, there have been extensive road works on the road just after where the yellow box was - I'm not sure if that'll help me plead my case or not!

Any advice on what I may be able to write back with would be great appreciated. I've never received a ticket for being in a yellow box junction before so am quite gutted.

I've attached the link to the PCN to this message here: https://imgur.com/a/cioZNCy

The VRM is LX23 OEJ

Many thanks!