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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Partypops on February 01, 2025, 10:27:47 pm
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As we always say. It's always worth fighting.
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A result. Well done !!
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Thank you!!!
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I will PM you my details so that the appeal can be filed.
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I will do so.
Hey buddy appreciate your help in this.
It looks like the notice of rejection was issued. Below is the letter that came in the post, what do you need from me?
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Notice of Rejection
Thank you for your representation received regarding the above Penalty Charge Notice (PCN).
We acknowledge the comments raised in your representation stating that the bus lane is incorrect location on the PCN the location specified on the PCN is incorrect and misleading and the alleged contravention is stated to have occurred approximately 268 meters away from the actual location where the vehicle were recorded. You also add that the contravention did not occur and the embedded photograph and video evidence provided for the PCN lacks any proof of relevant signage either passed or in situ including any relevant road markers proving that this occurred on a bus lane.
We issued the PCN because your vehicle was observed travelling within a bus lane in A406 N CIRCULAR W-BND CHEQUERS WAY GREEN LANES on 15/01/2025 at 08:17. Travelling within a bus lane during its operational hours constitutes a contravention. The bus lane is clearly sign posted and marked out on the road surface. The legend 'BUS LANE' is marked on the road, and there is a solid white line running along the right-hand edge of the bus lane for its full length.
Buses, Dial-a-Ride Buses, Pedal Cycles, Taxis and Solo Motorcycles Mon - Sun At Any Time
The onus is on the driver to be aware of the bus lane and its restrictions. Drivers are not permitted to drive in a bus lane during its period of operation. We have checked and the signage and markings meet all the statutory requirements as set down in the Traffic Signs Regulations & General Direction 2016. Please note the onus is on the driver to be aware of road signs as laid out in the Highway Code, section 120: "Bus and Tram Lanes... are shown by road markings and signs. You must not drive or stop in a bus lane during its period of operation unless the signs indicate you may do so." (Law RTRA scts 5& 8).
Transport for London (TfL) has considered your representation in accordance with the requirements of the above Act but we do not accept that you have established grounds or suitable reasons for the penalty charge to be cancelled. This letter is issued as a formal Notice of Rejection of your representation.
When considering representations and appeals, we fully consider all the circumstances present including any mitigating factors and whether it would be appropriate to apply our discretion over the enforcement of a PCN. In this instance we have decided not to exercise that discretion as we do not consider the mitigating factors present give reason to cancel the PCN(s) because your vehicle was observed travelling within a bus lane in A406 N CIRCULAR W-BND CHEQUERS WAY GREEN LANES on 15/01/2025 at 08:17. It is clear the PCN has been correctly issued.
You should now make full payment for the outstanding PCN(s) within 28 days of service of this Notice. The amounts) currently due is set out below.
You may appeal to an Environment and Traffic Adjudicator at London Tribunals, an independent adjudication service, against this decision on specified grounds within 28 days of the date of service of this letter. The adjudicator will consider your appeal and make an independent decision, which Transport for London will comply with. Please do not send your appeal to us and be aware an Adjudicator can only decide an appeal on statutory grounds. Further information is available on the London Tribunals website.
If you want to appeal to an Environment and Traffic Adjudicator at London Tribunals please ensure you read the enclosed form carefully, in particular the Appeal Procedure, and then complete, sign and send the attached form within 28 days of the date of service of this letter to London Tribunals, PO Box 10598, Nottingham, NG6 6DR.
You should be aware that in prescribed circumstances, the Adjudicator may award costs against you if the appeal is considered frivolous or vexatious or that the making, pursuing or resisting of the appeal was wholly unreasonable. Equally costs may be awarded against Transport for London if the adjudicator considers that the disputed decision was wholly unreasonable.
If you do not pay the penalty charge or submit an appeal within 28 days of the date of service of this notice of rejection a Charge Certificate may be served. This increases the penalty charge by 50% of the original amount. If the increased Penalty Charge is not paid, then Transport for London will apply to the County Court to recover the charges which will incur a further charge of £10 per Penalty Charge Notice.
HOW TO PAY
a). Credit/Debit card payments may be made ONLINE at tfl.gov.uk/redroutepayments
b). Credit/Debit card payments may be made by downloading the TfL pay to drive in London app
c). Payment can be made by POST to:
Red Routes
PO Box 335
Darlington
DL1 9PU
PLEASE DO NOT SEND CASH IN THE POST. All cheques/postal orders must be made payable to Transport for London and crossed "a/c payee". Please ensure your vehicle registration and Penalty Charge Number are written clearly on the back. Post-dated cheques will not be accepted.
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I will do so.
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I'd suggest you call TFL on 0343 222 3333 and ask them to confirm whether a notice of rejection has been issued. If it has, you can appeal, you don't actually need either the notice of rejection nor the tribunal appeal form, as long as you know that a notice of rejection has been issued within the last 28 days.
@Hippocrates are you picking this one up?
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Bit of a weird one, haven’t received a rejection letter yet but online it states rejected first then under review and the current state is under review?
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If we appeal to tribunal, how does the process actually work? Is this like the small money claims process where you wait until they take to court and then make representations? What is the worst case scenario costs? Will it still be £160 if tribunal outcome is to pay?
It's slightly different because you have to take them to the tribunal, and then they have to prove that the penalty is payable, but you can rebut that by establishing a statutory ground of appeal. In practice if one of us represents you, then we'll take care of all of that for you.
The absolute worst case scenario is that you have to pay the penalty charge of £160, the tribunal itself is free to appellants (the authority pays a tribunal fee regardless of the outcome, but you don't have to worry about that).
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For the enforcement process see here
https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/understanding-enforcement-process/bus-lane-pcn-enforcement-process
and here
https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/appeals-process-explained
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@Partypops in all honesty, given that TFL will issue a notice of rejection no matter what you say, that will do.
Could have used some of that honesty from the start as I may have made use of the discounted cost.
You misunderstand: TFL will reject anything you say, London Tribunals will give you a fair hearing and we have won almost every bus lane appeal since 2022. Like many you seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that TFL gets to make the final decision, this is not the case. The whole point of the process is to get a notice of rejection so that you can appeal to London Tribunals. I'm sure Hippocrates would be more than happy to represent you, so you won't have to actually do anything other than give him the paperwork.
Ok thanks
I have now submitted the formal challenge online and saved the confirmation that it is submitted.
If we appeal to tribunal, how does the process actually work? Is this like the small money claims process where you wait until they take to court and then make representations? What is the worst case scenario costs? Will it still be £160 if tribunal outcome is to pay?
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Could have used some of that honesty from the start as I may have made use of the discounted cost...
No!
AS cp8759 has already said you obvously misunderstand. TFL will just reject anything that you say irrespective of what it is. They rely on people thinking that paying the discounted charge is a good deal and that it isn't worth taking to the tribunal - most people just pay up without contesting the charge.
As cp8759 has indicated, people challenging bus lane tickets at the tribunal with assistance from ftla usually win and TFL loses.
Obviously a win for you is not guaranteed but on past history...
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That's the one. ;)
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@Partypops in all honesty, given that TFL will issue a notice of rejection no matter what you say, that will do.
Could have used some of that honesty from the start as I may have made use of the discounted cost.
You misunderstand: TFL will reject anything you say, London Tribunals will give you a fair hearing and we have won almost every bus lane appeal since 2022. Like many you seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that TFL gets to make the final decision, this is not the case. The whole point of the process is to get a notice of rejection so that you can appeal to London Tribunals. I'm sure Hippocrates would be more than happy to represent you, so you won't have to actually do anything other than give him the paperwork.
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Well, we Musketeers have time and are available to help.
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@Partypops in all honesty, given that TFL will issue a notice of rejection no matter what you say, that will do.
Could have used some of that honesty from the start as I may have made use of the discounted cost.
What about the location being wrong? - That was why I embarked on this to fight the pcn but really I’m already fighting 3 other PCNs (private) at tribunal so I’m not sure if I will have the time to do prep for another
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@Partypops in all honesty, given that TFL will issue a notice of rejection no matter what you say, that will do.
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I will dig out my previous drafts re another member's case.
Thanks, I did manage to find this appeal below. Tweaked it abit and added point number 5. Is this valid?
Dear TFL
Ref: PCN
VRM
I make this initial challenge as follows:
The PCN is unenforceable because:
1. The reference to The Interpretation Act is both irrelevant and confusing as the legislation pertaining to Bus Lane enforcement refers to actions which may be taken by the authority and/or appellant from the date of the notice.
2. The statement: "Any written correspondence before the issue of the Enforcement Notice will not be treated as a formal representation." fetters discretion and is contrary to the legislation in that it clearly implies that you will send an Enforcement Notice when the legislation states "may" at 4(3)(e)
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/1996/9/section/4/enacted
3. The statement: "It will not entitle you to the right of appeal." is both absurd and flies in the face of the law and natural justice. Further, the next statement about consideration seems to contradict what has been previously stated.
4. The statement: "Failure to respond or contact us within 28 days of the service date of this notice will result in the Enforcement Notice automatically being sent to you after this period." similarly fetters discretion and also misstates the time period.
5. Incorrect Location on the PCN: The location specified on the PCN is incorrect and misleading. The alleged contravention is stated to have occurred approximately 268 meters away from the actual location where the vehicle was recorded. This discrepancy in location renders the PCN defective, as it fails to provide the driver with precise information about where the alleged offence took place.
Under Regulation 8(5) of the London Local Authorities Act 1996, a PCN must state “the grounds on which the council or, as the case may be, Transport for London believe that a penalty charge is payable with respect to the vehicle.” Providing an inaccurate location does not meet this requirement, as it prevents the recipient from properly assessing the alleged contravention and preparing a fair defense.
Furthermore, the adjudicator in James Harris v Haringey (case reference 2190464396, London Tribunals) ruled that a PCN must contain a clear and correct location, as an inaccurate location could lead to unfairness and procedural impropriety. Given this, the PCN issued in this case is flawed and should be cancelled.
The alleged contravention did not occur
The embedded photograph and video evidence provided for the PCN lacks any proof of relevant signage either passed or in situ including any relevant road markers proving that this occurred on a bus lane.
Camera authorisation
I put you to strict proof that the camera used to capture the alleged contravention has the correct certification. If this is not forthcoming, this will be another ground of appeal.
In light of the above, please cancel the PCN,
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I will dig out my previous drafts re another member's case.
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@Hippocrates @cp8759 Any help will be much appreciated in writing an appeal.
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@Partypops post the enforcement notice please.
Yes.
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Yes.
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All of it please.
Do you mean rest of the pages?
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All of it please.
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@Partypops post the enforcement notice please.
Here it is
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@Partypops post the enforcement notice please.
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You mean formal representation.
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Will wait for enforcement before submitting appeal as noted above so that representation gets through the right channel at the correct stage. Do you suggest I use that appeal for my case or could you help draft something more tailored? Such as the distance of camera etc.
I might have another tribunal outcome about this specific location by then, let us know when you get the enforcement notice and we will revisit then.
It's also worth checking the website at https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/challenge-a-pcn at least twice a month as the PCN history will tell you once the enforcement notice has been posted, this means that even if it is lost in the post you will be able to challenge it (as you don't need to physically receive it in order to make representations against it).
As per my thread in the Flame Pit, hopefully TFL will fall into line with the other 33 councils and we will be able to file and access cases online in the not-too-distant future.
https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/complaint-re-registration-of-appeals-to-transport-for-london/
the PCN is now on enforcement stage, ready to make first challenge.
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As per my thread in the Flame Pit, hopefully TFL will fall into line with the other 33 councils and we will be able to file and access cases online in the not-too-distant future.
https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/complaint-re-registration-of-appeals-to-transport-for-london/
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Will wait for enforcement before submitting appeal as noted above so that representation gets through the right channel at the correct stage. Do you suggest I use that appeal for my case or could you help draft something more tailored? Such as the distance of camera etc.
I might have another tribunal outcome about this specific location by then, let us know when you get the enforcement notice and we will revisit then.
It's also worth checking the website at https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/challenge-a-pcn at least twice a month as the PCN history will tell you once the enforcement notice has been posted, this means that even if it is lost in the post you will be able to challenge it (as you don't need to physically receive it in order to make representations against it).
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Hey sorry if the question seems obvious here but why would I want to wait for the enforcement notice?
@Partypops informal representations are largely pointless, TFL are not required to consider them nor are they required to respond. Even if they do, they will just reject at which point the next step is to... wait for the enforcement notice and then make formal representations against the enforcement notice.
You cannot email representations to TFL, even if you have a valid email address they are only required to consider representations made in the form and manner stated on the PCN, and email is not one of them. Therefore even if you make representations by email, TFL will say that they are entitled to ignore them, which might make you think they're a bunch of so-and-sos but it's legally correct.
Therefore you might as well preserve your one and only chance to make representations online for the enforcement notice stage.
Thanks I understand now, what crooks TFL are. How is that even legal to not consider representations before discount is expired. That is really sneaky of them. I would like to use my appeal “chance” on the website at the enforcement stage so I will wait for the next stage and submit an appeal online here.
@cp8759 Okay this makes it clearer? They will reject anyway but I will draft something. Keep a record of everything.
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/tfl-bus-lane-contravention-n-circular-rd-btw-chequers-way-green-lanes/msg30167/#msg30167
Try that. Plus draft your own additions. And report back please.
From mrmustard to me recently: cccorrespondence@tfl.gov.uk
Will wait for enforcement before submitting appeal as noted above so that representation gets through the right channel at the correct stage. Do you suggest I use that appeal for my case or could you help draft something more tailored? Such as the distance of camera etc.
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Hey sorry if the question seems obvious here but why would I want to wait for the enforcement notice?
@Partypops informal representations are largely pointless, TFL are not required to consider them nor are they required to respond. Even if they do, they will just reject at which point the next step is to... wait for the enforcement notice and then make formal representations against the enforcement notice.
You cannot email representations to TFL, even if you have a valid email address they are only required to consider representations made in the form and manner stated on the PCN, and email is not one of them. Therefore even if you make representations by email, TFL will say that they are entitled to ignore them, which might make you think they're a bunch of so-and-sos but it's legally correct.
Therefore you might as well preserve your one and only chance to make representations online for the enforcement notice stage.
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@cp8759 Okay this makes it clearer? They will reject anyway but I will draft something. Keep a record of everything.
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/tfl-bus-lane-contravention-n-circular-rd-btw-chequers-way-green-lanes/msg30167/#msg30167
Try that. Plus draft your own additions. And report back please.
From mrmustard to me recently: cccorrespondence@tfl.gov.uk
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Of the last four: two they did not contest, one they did not attend and the other they did not provide a VCA certificate for the camera. All four members' cases won.
As the PCN date is 23rd January, the 14 days discount expired on 5th February in any event. As cp8759, wait for the EN and I will help draft something technical as well. Bit pressed for time but I will dig out the cases later.
In reverse order:
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/tfl-bus-lane-pcn-lewisham-high-street-notice-of-rejection-not-received-straight-/msg54780/#msg54780
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/tfl-red-route-pcn-a23-london-rd-to-streatham-sw16/msg53347/#msg53347
DNC: 2240570457 and 2240500407.
Hey, according to my calculation the discount actually expires on 20th February see timeline below:
PCN was issued 23rd January
Requested evidence on 3rd February 11 days commenced and PCN put on hold until 17 February.
On 17 February PCN comes off hold with 3 days remaining on discount so discount expires 20 February now.
Why shouldn’t we draft the appeal and submit online now?
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@Partypops if you make representations against the PCN they will be rejected but you will also lose the opportunity to make representations online, because the button to make representations online will disappear (it only works once) which means that when you get the Enforcement Notice, you will have to make representations by post. If those get lost in the post there could be a lot of administrative hassle in resetting matters.
Personally I would recommend you wait for the Enforcement Notice and simply make a formal representation against that, if you do that via the TFL website there won't be any issues of TFL not receiving the representations, and you'll be able to take a screenshot of the confirmation page as proof that they have actually received your representations.
It's almost impossible to lose a London bus lane PCN as long as it is argued properly, so forget about paying the discount as you'd be throwing your money away for nothing.
Hey sorry if the question seems obvious here but why would I want to wait for the enforcement notice? I haven’t made have any representations yet so still have that option online and you mention it will get rejected at this stage?
You mention its better to do it on the TFL website so why not do it now as you mentioned its almost impossible to lose a appeal against bus lanes?
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Of the last four: two they did not contest, one they did not attend and the other they did not provide a VCA certificate for the camera. All four members' cases won.
As the PCN date is 23rd January, the 14 days discount expired on 5th February in any event. As cp8759, wait for the EN and I will help draft something technical as well. Bit pressed for time but I will dig out the cases later.
In reverse order:
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/tfl-bus-lane-pcn-lewisham-high-street-notice-of-rejection-not-received-straight-/msg54780/#msg54780
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/tfl-red-route-pcn-a23-london-rd-to-streatham-sw16/msg53347/#msg53347
DNC: 2240570457 and 2240500407.
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@Partypops if you make representations against the PCN they will be rejected but you will also lose the opportunity to make representations online, because the button to make representations online will disappear (it only works once) which means that when you get the Enforcement Notice, you will have to make representations by post. If those get lost in the post there could be a lot of administrative hassle in resetting matters.
Personally I would recommend you wait for the Enforcement Notice and simply make a formal representation against that, if you do that via the TFL website there won't be any issues of TFL not receiving the representations, and you'll be able to take a screenshot of the confirmation page as proof that they have actually received your representations.
It's almost impossible to lose a London bus lane PCN as long as it is argued properly, so forget about paying the discount as you'd be throwing your money away for nothing.
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@cp8759 @Incandescent PCN discount expires next week as well as the freeze for video evidence. I have uploaded video and will be grateful for any help.
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The location on the PCN is clearly wrong, and should be part of your representations, the other being that you intended to park on the verge, but found the space too short, so drove on.
Also as this is a TfL PCN, there are other 'technical' arguments, such as camera authorisation and so on, but others on here are more expert than me, so will hopefully post soon.
Hi,
I have received the video evidence as below.
https://streamable.com/e/bjg99q?
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The location on the PCN is clearly wrong, and should be part of your representations, the other being that you intended to park on the verge, but found the space too short, so drove on.
Also as this is a TfL PCN, there are other 'technical' arguments, such as camera authorisation and so on, but others on here are more expert than me, so will hopefully post soon.
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are they allowed to use it for bus lane fines? Are there any rules around the distance allowed?
Only if properly approved and certified.
AFAIK there are no rules around distance, but they have put a location in the PCN that is incorrect for the place the alleged contravention took place. Of course they are too idle to work out the location and put that on the PCN. They don't bother, because >95% of people just cough-up when they get the PCN.
Gotcha.
In terms of what we're looking for in the CCTV, are we checking which camera was used?
For example, if the camera in the GSV link you sent was used therefore confirming wrong location was put on the PCN?
There are no other cameras in that area and judging from the low quality obvious zoom in the photo evidence, it's very likely that is the camera in your link.
Just out of curiosity, if that is the correct location I sent then what should the location be saying on the PCN? Does it have to be accurate to the door number? They've put down 'A406 N CIRCULAR W-BND CHEQUERS WAY GREEN LANES', 'Chequers way' is definitely somewhere else around a mile away and not even on the north circular.
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are they allowed to use it for bus lane fines? Are there any rules around the distance allowed?
Only if properly approved and certified.
AFAIK there are no rules around distance, but they have put a location in the PCN that is incorrect for the place the alleged contravention took place. Of course they are too idle to work out the location and put that on the PCN. They don't bother, because >95% of people just cough-up when they get the PCN.
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I make that about 268 metres away from A406/Green Lanes. So location is not sufficiently precise in my view.
This is their camera, I reckon.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/bLz8vDJinHSSp7by6
Anyway, have you requested the video yet ?
Yes, I've requested the video and the PCN is currently on hold for 2 weeks. I've set a date in my calendar to chase up if its not received yet.
I agree with your assumption, I reckon that is the camera they've used too. That looks like a CCTV camera to me, sorry for the newbie questions but are they allowed to use it for bus lane fines? Are there any rules around the distance allowed?
Thanks
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I make that about 268 metres away from A406/Green Lanes. So location is not sufficiently precise in my view.
This is their camera, I reckon.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/bLz8vDJinHSSp7by6
Anyway, have you requested the video yet ?
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It was somewhere around here, not parking but driving onto bus lane to park only to realise my car wasn’t going to fit in the spot I had my eyes on so didn’t end up parking & I will phone them on monday to get video evidence if that will help.
So what we need now is their video, because the location on the PCN would seem totally wrong, in relation to where the cars are parked in your GSV link. Looking at the distance from Green Lanes/A406, it is 532 metres to house number 268 on the GSV link.
So don't pay yet, because TfL allow 2 weeks for the video to arrive which gives people on here time to investigate.
Apologies! I've just analysed the photos more clearly and managed to point out exact location where photos from 08:17 were snapped
https://maps.app.goo.gl/WQNG2WDRebQnqAyN9
This is more accurate as to where the photos were taken and I suspect the camera is in the palmers green junction coming up (snapped from quite far)
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The whole PCN please as there are issues.
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This is the key to why you got a PCN: -
It was somewhere around here, not parking but driving onto bus lane to park only to realise my car wasn’t going to fit in the spot I had my eyes on so didn’t end up parking & I will phone them on monday to get video evidence if that will help.
So what we need now is their video, because the location on the PCN would seem totally wrong, in relation to where the cars are parked in your GSV link. Looking at the distance from Green Lanes/A406, it is 532 metres to house number 268 on the GSV link.
So don't pay yet, because TfL allow 2 weeks for the video to arrive which gives people on here time to investigate.
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Can you please post up a GSV view telling us exactly where you parked, because I'm struggling to find any parking bays near the location on the PCN.
It was somewhere around here, not parking but driving onto bus lane to park only to realise my car wasn’t going to fit in the spot I had my eyes on so didn’t end up parking & I will phone them on monday to get video evidence if that will help.
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Sorry, the photo's lovely but we need the link to the location on GSV so we can look around. It's beginning to look like wrong location on the PCN.
Sorry here it is
https://maps.app.goo.gl/2ZXyc9upgjE36vFi6
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Sorry here it is
https://maps.app.goo.gl/2ZXyc9upgjE36vFi6
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Can you please post up a GSV view telling us exactly where you parked, because I'm struggling to find any parking bays near the location on the PCN.
It was somewhere around here, not parking but driving onto bus lane to park only to realise my car wasn’t going to fit in the spot I had my eyes on so didn’t end up parking & I will phone them on monday to get video evidence if that will help.
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Sorry, the photo's lovely but we need the link to the location on GSV so we can look around. It's beginning to look like wrong location on the PCN.
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Can you please post up a GSV view telling us exactly where you parked, because I'm struggling to find any parking bays near the location on the PCN.
It was somewhere around here, not parking but driving onto bus lane to park only to realise my car wasn’t going to fit in the spot I had my eyes on so didn’t end up parking & I will phone them on monday to get video evidence if that will help.
(https://i.ibb.co/DgWqkdSp/IMG-4730.png) (https://ibb.co/G3phkmbT)
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Can you please post up a GSV view telling us exactly where you parked, because I'm struggling to find any parking bays near the location on the PCN.
it's a bus lane pcn.
although as far as I'm aware there is no bus lane at that location. it's past chequers way.
and yes the OP is correct you HAVE to cross the bus lane to access either the properties or the allowed footway parking.
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Can you please post up a GSV view telling us exactly where you parked, because I'm struggling to find any parking bays near the location on the PCN.
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TfL don't have a facility to view the video on-line, you have to ring them up and request it, and it will be sent in the post as a DVD. They then freeze enforcement for 2 weeks, but will recommence at the end of that period even it the DVD hasn't arrived, so you need to mark the end date on your calendar.
SO phone them up and request the video, then post it here when you get it.
Yes, TfL have yet to leave the age of steam electronics !
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Hi guys,
I found this thread from money saving expert where I’ve been assisted to beat quite a few private pcn’s.
I received this PCN for allegedly entering “being in a bus lane”
So where I am driving is a bus lane between two lane traffic on north circular and free parking that exists on the curb where you can see cars parked. I entered the bus lane to park in a bay which I realised after was too small. I can’t access any video evidence on website but there are photos which are very bad as it was taken from the other side traffic.
(https://i.ibb.co/pBbG8XYS/IMG-4726.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Jwm04kD9)
(https://i.ibb.co/hJWcC4Dx/IMG-4727.png) (https://ibb.co/dw2t7VGs)
(https://i.ibb.co/6RGw7PRr/IMG-4728.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4ZCtnTZK)
(https://i.ibb.co/q352jx6C/IMG-4729.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5gFJ42Zk)